Re: Wood (was Re: IBM Mainframe terminal stuff)

2015-12-20 Thread Fred Cisin
Are you sure it wasn't rosewood? Polished to a satin sheen with [WELL} whale oil of course... ;-) On Sun, 20 Dec 2015, William Donzelli wrote: I am sorry, the expiration date on this rosewood/whaileoil joke has passed. lifetime + 95 ? Derivative works? The machinewas certainly a corporate wo

Re: Wood (was Re: IBM Mainframe terminal stuff)

2015-12-20 Thread William Donzelli
> Are you sure it wasn't rosewood? > > --- > > Polished to a satin sheen with whale oil of course... > > ;-) I am sorry, the expiration date on this rosewood/whaileoil joke has passed. -- Will

Re: Wood (was Re: IBM Mainframe terminal stuff)

2015-12-20 Thread Mike Stein
- Original Message - From: "Liam Proven" Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2015 4:06 PM On 20 December 2015 at 04:30, Eric Smith wrote: > On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 8:27 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: >> Was it the Processor Technology Sol that had oak strips on the sides? > > Walnut. Are you sure it w

Re: Wood (was Re: IBM Mainframe terminal stuff)

2015-12-20 Thread Liam Proven
On 20 December 2015 at 04:30, Eric Smith wrote: > On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 8:27 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: >> Was it the Processor Technology Sol that had oak strips on the sides? > > Walnut. Are you sure it wasn't rosewood? -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lpr

Wood (was Re: IBM Mainframe terminal stuff)

2015-12-19 Thread Eric Smith
On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 8:27 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: > Was it the Processor Technology Sol that had oak strips on the sides? Walnut.

Re: IBM Mainframe terminal stuff

2015-12-19 Thread Mike Ross
G I should have said "hook a *3271* directly to a Cisco router" Mike On Dec 20, 2015 9:57 AM, "Mike Ross" wrote: > Oh that IS interesting. I have a 3172; never done anything useful with it. > Maybe time to have a play. I do remember there was a version of the 3172 > that had a P/390 card in

Re: IBM Mainframe terminal stuff

2015-12-19 Thread Mike Ross
Oh that IS interesting. I have a 3172; never done anything useful with it. Maybe time to have a play. I do remember there was a version of the 3172 that had a P/390 card in it, to allow it to run some kinds of comms stuff that normally ran on a mainframe CPU. Cisco sounds useful too; I'll investig

Re: IBM Mainframe terminal stuff

2015-12-19 Thread Ken Seefried
From: Mike Ross > I have a 3172 controller; physically rough and needs restoration but *should* > work if > I can fake the remote connection and modem - bisync etc. B From: Paul Berger > you need a modem eliminator mostly to provide the clocks for the sync data > line, > other than that is i

Re: IBM Mainframe terminal stuff

2015-12-18 Thread Jon Elson
On 12/18/2015 09:27 PM, William Donzelli wrote: I have a spare 029 that got wet, so the desk portion expanded. Definitely chipboard. Sorry, I was thinking of the 026! Jon

Re: IBM Mainframe terminal stuff

2015-12-18 Thread William Donzelli
I have a spare 029 that got wet, so the desk portion expanded. Definitely chipboard. I think the 1130 also have a chipboard desktop. Many have a distinctive crack from expansion. -- Will On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 10:24 PM, Jon Elson wrote: > On 12/18/2015 08:40 PM, William Donzelli wrote: >> >> M

Re: IBM Mainframe terminal stuff

2015-12-18 Thread Fred Cisin
On Fri, 18 Dec 2015, William Donzelli wrote: Most (all?) 029/129s have a chipboard top. Also, you S/3 should, right? The only bit of classic computer stuff I have ever seen with REAL wood on it was a Computervision system during college. The cabinets has strips of oak on the front. Quite nice.

Re: IBM Mainframe terminal stuff

2015-12-18 Thread Jon Elson
On 12/18/2015 08:40 PM, William Donzelli wrote: Most (all?) 029/129s have a chipboard top. Also, you S/3 should, right? The only bit of classic computer stuff I have ever seen with REAL wood on it was a Computervision system during college. The cabinets has strips of oak on the front. Quite nice

Re: IBM Mainframe terminal stuff

2015-12-18 Thread Mike Ross
I've just repaired my 3277 which had lain idle for Goddess knows how long - decades possibly. I stripped, cleaned, and inspected it. I found a loose capacitor - one of the tiny black rectangular ones - lying in the bottom of the thing. I found out where it came from on the analog board and put a

Re: IBM Mainframe terminal stuff

2015-12-18 Thread Paul Berger
Its possible, but you need a modem eliminator mostly to provide the clocks for the sync data line, other than that is is similar to a null modem. I remember the control units being pretty much trouble free however the 3277 terminals,3284 and 3286 printers where a different story. What I reme

Re: IBM Mainframe terminal stuff

2015-12-18 Thread Mike Ross
My 129 had a chipboard top I believe; I can't confirm as the bloody thing was stolen! (Belongs in 'biggest regrets' thread g). No wood in my System/3s; all metal, including the 'desktop' which ties the CPU to the printer and disk/card units. I'll tell what does have wood though, now I think a

Re: IBM Mainframe terminal stuff

2015-12-18 Thread William Donzelli
Most (all?) 029/129s have a chipboard top. Also, you S/3 should, right? The only bit of classic computer stuff I have ever seen with REAL wood on it was a Computervision system during college. The cabinets has strips of oak on the front. Quite nice. -- Will On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 9:32 PM, Mike

Re: IBM Mainframe terminal stuff

2015-12-18 Thread Mike Ross
I have a 3271 Model 2 - the remote bisync one. It's in embarrassing condition; I'll take pics once it's cleaned up! Only IBM product I have with significant wood in it; the top panel of the unit is made of formica-covered chipboard! No docs. I wonder if it might be possible to finagle it into wor

Re: IBM Mainframe terminal stuff

2015-12-18 Thread Paul Berger
On 2015-12-18 9:30 PM, Mike Ross wrote: g 3271 and 3272 controllers I should have said! They're much dumber than 3174 - no program load device whatever; all done in hardware. Just an on/off switch and a couple of status lights. Mike On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Mike Ross wrote: Oh sou

Re: IBM Mainframe terminal stuff

2015-12-18 Thread William Donzelli
Do you have a 3272? I found one during the cleanup of the Black Hole. I think I can get ALDs and docs for it. -- Will On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 8:30 PM, Mike Ross wrote: > g 3271 and 3272 controllers I should have said! They're much > dumber than 3174 - no program load device whatever; all do

Re: IBM Mainframe terminal stuff

2015-12-18 Thread Mike Ross
g 3271 and 3272 controllers I should have said! They're much dumber than 3174 - no program load device whatever; all done in hardware. Just an on/off switch and a couple of status lights. Mike On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Mike Ross wrote: > Oh sounds like fun! > > I'm working with 3277 w

Re: IBM Mainframe terminal stuff

2015-12-18 Thread Mike Ross
Oh sounds like fun! I'm working with 3277 which uses a different protocol; connects to older mainframes (360/370) via 3171/3172 controllers - channel attached or remote. Also connects to System/3 direct to the CPU hardware as a console. I have a 3172 controller; physically rough and needs restorat