From: geneb
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2015 3:58 PM
> This discussion reminds me of this quote:
> "The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that
> English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words;
> on occasion, English has pursued other languag
@ simski, who wrote :
>Hi,
> Hmm. russian carsds. sounds interesting. I'm certainly interested in
> their looks. could you post a scan of one of them?
Well, they very much look ( and feel ) like original IBM ones, with :
- Right angles : NO rounded corners
- Characters printed : standard 0 t
Hi,
Hmm. russian carsds. sounds interesting. I'm certainly interested in
their looks. could you post a scan of one of them?
On 12-09-15 10:36, GerardCJAT wrote:
Shall I understand that some of you guys, are looking for blank punch/punched
cards ??
I have about a hundred ( here in Franc
On 9/11/2015 12:03 PM, Rich Alderson wrote:
From: Dave G4UGM
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 12:06 PM
From: Liam Proven
Sent: 10 September 2015 16:17
On 10 September 2015 at 15:42, Fred Cisin wrote:
He also said that the colored pencils that I manually did graphs with
were "COLOUR PENC
On Fri, 11 Sep 2015, Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 09/11/2015 12:03 PM, Rich Alderson wrote:
However, it was far earlier than the Victorians. Noah Webster
(1758-1843) only overlaps the Victorian era by 6 years; he was
reacting against the aristocratic spelling norms of the 17th and 18th
centuries, wh
On 09/11/2015 12:03 PM, Rich Alderson wrote:
However, it was far earlier than the Victorians. Noah Webster
(1758-1843) only overlaps the Victorian era by 6 years; he was
reacting against the aristocratic spelling norms of the 17th and 18th
centuries, when Latin and Greek were held to be more im
From: Dave G4UGM
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 12:06 PM
>> From: Liam Proven
>> Sent: 10 September 2015 16:17
>> On 10 September 2015 at 15:42, Fred Cisin wrote:
>>> He also said that the colored pencils that I manually did graphs with
>>> were "COLOUR PENCILS".
>> Sounds legit to me. But
On Fri, 11 Sep 2015, William Donzelli wrote:
Five years ago the paper stock was still available in the US, and you
could get cards from Cardamation as well.
A lot of bad things have happened in the last five years.
Five years ago the paper stock was still available in the US, and you
could get cards from Cardamation as well.
--
Will
On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 3:51 AM, Christian Corti
wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Sep 2015, Simon Claessen wrote:
>>
>> btw. in the Netherlands where I live, they are called ponskaarten and
I have asked and will report back.
Dave
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Christian
> Corti
> Sent: 11 September 2015 09:12
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
>
> Subject: Re: punchcard svg f
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Christian
> Corti
> Sent: 11 September 2015 09:12
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
>
> Subject: Re: punchcard svg file available
>
> On Fri, 1
On Fri, 11 Sep 2015, Dave Wade wrote:
Could not find anything on their web site...
You have to ask them directly, they should still have all the means
because they also do ATB stuff. That's what we did a few years ago, but
our "project" stalled because they wanted some obscure file format for
Could not find anything on their web site...
On Sep 11, 2015 8:51 AM, "Christian Corti"
wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Sep 2015, Simon Claessen wrote:
>
>> btw. in the Netherlands where I live, they are called ponskaarten and are
>> nowhere to be find also. We only have one box of fresh cards and one box of
On Thu, 10 Sep 2015, Simon Claessen wrote:
btw. in the Netherlands where I live, they are called ponskaarten and are
nowhere to be find also. We only have one box of fresh cards and one box of
used cards with our IBM 029. Of course the unused cards stay in the depot
until we can do something us
shure. go ahead. the svg has layers.
top to bottom:
demo (with the dot matrix text)
holes (all the holes, but not with a solid fill
print (the numbers)
card (the card itself)
As I made the original card in illustrator on a mac three years ago and
I'm a "switcher" to linux, I changed the forma
> The card stock should be available. It's 90 lb card stock. The same stuff ATB
> airline tickets are printed on.
> The die to cut to size May cost a bit
Also, cutting to size should not be a problem. Any modern print shop
should have a nice big computer controlled paper cutter that would do
> I agree. But the ATB spec IS punch card stock. Picked for all the reasons you
> listed. They make lots of it.
I would love to be proven wrong, but I do not think that is true
anymore. I think the stock spec changed in the 1980s when the magnetic
strip was added (which might be enough to screw u
On 9/10/2015 6:02 PM, Joseph Lang wrote:
> Lazy programmers. Poor specs for project. Clueless project managers.
> Doesn't seem a simple database query should be all that hard.
>
> Don't get me started on that real ID garbage. Not one piece of required
> "proof" included a photo
>
> Joe
>
Supposedly these guys have the IBM dies and as of last year, were still
making/selling new tab cards. The CHM was investigating them as a source at one
point but I believe they now have more cards than they'll ever need. -C
http://www.californiatabcard.com/Tab_Cards.html
On Sep 10, 2015, at 6:
> The card stock should be available. It's 90 lb card stock. The same stuff ATB
> airline tickets are printed on.
> The die to cut to size May cost a bit
No, it it very specialized. There is much more than thickness to
consider - friction, durability, stiffness, hygroscopic-ness,
printability
I agree. But the ATB spec IS punch card stock. Picked for all the reasons you
listed. They make lots of it.
Joe
On Sep 10, 2015, at 7:41 PM, William Donzelli wrote:
>> The card stock should be available. It's 90 lb card stock. The same stuff
>> ATB airline tickets are printed on.
>> The die t
Lazy programmers. Poor specs for project. Clueless project managers.
Doesn't seem a simple database query should be all that hard.
Don't get me started on that real ID garbage. Not one piece of required "proof"
included a photo
Joe
> On Sep 10, 2015, at 6:54 PM, Fred Cisin wrote:
>
>> O
On Thu, 10 Sep 2015, Joseph Lang wrote:
It takes that long because the clerks have no idea what tab does. Watch
somebody who does and see how fast they can fill in a form. Mouse
actually slows down data entry a lot.
yes.
Is there any reason why driver's license number couldn't be entered, to
On Thu, 10 Sep 2015, Joseph Lang wrote:
The card stock should be available. It's 90 lb card stock. The same
stuff ATB airline tickets are printed on.
The die to cut to size May cost a bit
Conventional paper shear for sides, ends, and corner, plus conventional
corner rounding on three corn
It takes that long because the clerks have no idea what tab does. Watch
somebody who does and see how fast they can fill in a form. Mouse actually
slows down data entry a lot.
Joe
> On Sep 10, 2015, at 6:29 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
>
>> On 09/10/2015 02:32 PM, Jay Jaeger wrote:
>>
>> Or the in
Question: Is there a way to edit the SVG file to produce a custom message?
Thanks,
Marc
On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 2:38 PM, geneb wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Sep 2015, Fred Cisin wrote:
>
> On Thu, 10 Sep 2015, Mike Stein wrote:
>>
>>> For a while many utility bills etc. were sent out with prepunched ca
The card stock should be available. It's 90 lb card stock. The same stuff ATB
airline tickets are printed on.
The die to cut to size May cost a bit
Joe
> On Sep 10, 2015, at 12:56 PM, simon wrote:
>
> Its hard to explain. it feels tough and bendable, but it is thinner as you
> would expec
On 9/10/2015 2:04 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
> On 09/10/2015 11:47 AM, Fred Cisin wrote:
>
>
> To me, the stock feels very similar to the stock used for our
> vote-by-mail mark-sense ballots here in Oregon.
>
Or the infamous "hanging chad" punch(ed) ;) cards from son of Bush's
first election. I g
On 09/10/2015 03:54 PM, Fred Cisin wrote:
On Thu, 10 Sep 2015, Joseph Lang wrote:
It takes that long because the clerks have no idea what tab does.
Watch somebody who does and see how fast they can fill in a form.
Mouse actually slows down data entry a lot.
yes. Is there any reason why driver'
On 9/10/2015 5:29 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
> On 09/10/2015 02:32 PM, Jay Jaeger wrote:
> Which reminds me--I went over to the local DMV to renew my "papers".
> Since the terrorism craze, the state has changed the rules for verifying
> identity to now include a birth certificate (heaven knows why).
On 09/10/2015 02:32 PM, Jay Jaeger wrote:
Or the infamous "hanging chad" punch(ed) ;) cards from son of
Bush's first election. I got an operational Documation card reader
from Texas a few years back that was retired as a result of that
fiaso.
Oregon is a vote-by-mail state exclusively. The
On 2015-Sep-10, at 2:53 PM, Fred Cisin wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Sep 2015, geneb wrote:
>> This is at least the 2nd time I've seen this message today. Mailman gone
>> mental on us Jay?
>
> Some of the messages might be worth getting more than once. Not that one.
>
> I think that I got EVERY message
On Thu, 10 Sep 2015, geneb wrote:
This is at least the 2nd time I've seen this message today. Mailman gone
mental on us Jay?
Some of the messages might be worth getting more than once. Not that one.
I think that I got EVERY message twice. Is this still CCTECH/CCTALK
issues?
On Thu, 10 Sep 2015, Fred Cisin wrote:
On Thu, 10 Sep 2015, Mike Stein wrote:
For a while many utility bills etc. were sent out with prepunched cards
containing the customer and billing information, to be mailed back with
your payment for proper allocation.
A guy that I went to school with,
> Card stock exists in a large number of varieties. It may be perfectly
> straightforward if you look in a paper company catalog (the kind that
> supplies paper to print shops). For example, with a quick look at Mohawk
> Paper company I see a dozen different papers. Picking one of them
> ("O
letters from the remaining cards...
Dave
> -Original Message-
> From: cctech [mailto:cctech-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Mike
> Stein
> Sent: 10 September 2015 19:58
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts
> Subject: Re: punchcard svg file available
>
>
On Thu, 10 Sep 2015, Mike Stein wrote:
For a while many utility bills etc. were sent out with prepunched cards
containing the customer and billing information, to be mailed back with your
payment for proper allocation.
A guy that I went to school with, would always take those utility bills,
a
On 09/10/2015 11:47 AM, Fred Cisin wrote:
In those days, the cardstock was extremely available, in large sheets
and in precut blanks, in a variety of colors. Print-shops abounded
who would do custom cards, if your business thought that it needed
them.
To me, the stock feels very similar to
> On Sep 10, 2015, at 2:40 PM, Sean Caron wrote:
>
> I have a few old ... let's just say Hollerith cards ... LOL ... and the
> stock feels a little reminiscent of that of a manilla folder or 3x5 card,
> but slightly thicker. It's kind of an odd basis weight ... too heavy for
> cheap folders, too
> It will go through the [almost] straight optional paper path of laser
> printers and inkjets. (Not the S curves)
I'll bet it will go through a Sanders 12/7 dot matrix printer too. That has a
totallly
straight paper path. Paper in at the top, out at the bottom (strangely...)
However, none of
t;
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: punchcard svg file available
If you find a source of paper stock that
works, please let everyone
know about it. The real paper is gone, and
will likely never be made
again. It is a specialized stock that is
extremely difficult to mak
On Thu, 10 Sep 2015, Kyle Owen wrote:
On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 7:52 AM, Al Kossow wrote:
look at ALL of the documentation of the period
NO ONE called them PUNCH cards
Section 7:
http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/burroughs/200-21001B_B200_SeriesRefMan_Jul64.pdf
"Punch card stock" "punch
On 10 September 2015 at 15:42, Fred Cisin wrote:
He also said that the colored pencils that I manually did graphs
with were "COLOUR PENCILS".
On Thu, 10 Sep 2015, Liam Proven wrote:
Sounds legit to me. But then in the old world we still spell the
proper, old-fashioned-way. ;¬)
Yes, GREY mig
On 09/10/2015 08:40 AM, Kyle Owen wrote:
On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 7:52 AM, Al Kossow
wrote:
look at ALL of the documentation of the period NO ONE called them
PUNCH cards
Section 7:
http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/burroughs/200-21001B_B200_SeriesRefMan_Jul64.pdf
"Punch card stock" "pun
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Liam
> Proven
> Sent: 10 September 2015 16:17
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts
> Subject: Re: punchcard svg file available
>
> On 10 September 2015 at 15:42, Fred C
On 9/10/2015 9:00 AM, William Donzelli wrote:
btw. in the Netherlands where I live, they are called ponskaarten and are
nowhere to be find also. We only have one box of fresh cards and one box of
used cards with our IBM 029. Of course the unused cards stay in the depot
until we can do something
If you find a source of paper stock that works, please let everyone
know about it. The real paper is gone, and will likely never be made
again. It is a specialized stock that is extremely difficult to make.
What is different about it? Thickness? Weight/square metre? Density?
Impregnated with some
On Thu, 10 Sep 2015, Sean Caron wrote:
I have a few old ... let's just say Hollerith cards ... LOL ... and the
stock feels a little reminiscent of that of a manilla folder or 3x5 card,
but slightly thicker. It's kind of an odd basis weight ... too heavy for
cheap folders, too light for expensive
I have a few old ... let's just say Hollerith cards ... LOL ... and the
stock feels a little reminiscent of that of a manilla folder or 3x5 card,
but slightly thicker. It's kind of an odd basis weight ... too heavy for
cheap folders, too light for expensive folders ... wouldn't be amenable to
runni
From: Al Kossow
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 5:53 AM
> On 9/10/15 4:38 AM, simon wrote:
>> https://hack42.nl/wiki/Bestand:Punchcard.svg
> they are PUNCHED cards
> look at ALL of the documentation of the period
> NO ONE called them PUNCH cards
Al,
I have to disagree with you, based on 46
Its hard to explain. it feels tough and bendable, but it is thinner as
you would expect from the toughness.
On 10-09-15 18:08, tony duell wrote:
If you find a source of paper stock that works, please let everyone
know about it. The real paper is gone, and will likely never be made
again. It
Al - we accept that you are a CLI in a world of GUIs! :-)
Lee C.
On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 9:33 AM, Al Kossow wrote:
> On 9/10/15 8:54 AM, Simon Claessen wrote:
>
>> Being right and being polite are two completely different things.
>>
>>
> And no one has ever accused me of being polite.
>
>
>
>
Go ahead. this drawing is published as creative commons and the svg is
in parts.
the text and holes is a separate layer. I even included a layer with all
holes, so just make the right holes white and there you are. The text
above is another thing though. the characters are als separate drawing
On 09/10/2015 09:53 AM, simon wrote:
A nice guy at greenkeys spotted an error in the printed characters.
the c cedille should actually be a cent char.
So, EBCDIC. How about a few of the other character sets in use at the time?
That might be interesting.
--Chuck
A nice guy at greenkeys spotted an error in the printed characters. the
c cedille should actually be a cent char.
I fixed it.
Simon
On 10-09-15 17:54, Simon Claessen wrote:
Hi Lee.
Thanks. feel free to rename the file to anything you like. :-)
I decided to ignore rude yelling people. Being
On 9/10/15 8:54 AM, Simon Claessen wrote:
Being right and being polite are two completely different things.
And no one has ever accused me of being polite.
> -Original Message-
> From: cctech [mailto:cctech-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of William
> Donzelli
> Sent: 10 September 2015 17:00
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts
> Subject: Re: punchcard svg file available
>
> > btw. in the Netherlands wh
punchcard or PUNCH or PUNCHED card, still nice work. Thanks for sharing.
Lee C.
On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 4:38 AM, simon wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> just to let you know that i've made a vector graphics file for A hollerith
> punchcard.
>
> https://hack42.nl/wiki/Bestand:Punchcard.svg
>
> enjoy
> --
> M
On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 05:54:45PM +0200, Simon Claessen wrote:
>
> btw. in the Netherlands where I live, they are called ponskaarten
>
The correct term is of course "hålkort" (hole cards)
An unused stack went cheap on swedish ebay recently... perhaps I
should have bought them.
/P
> If you find a source of paper stock that works, please let everyone
> know about it. The real paper is gone, and will likely never be made
> again. It is a specialized stock that is extremely difficult to make.
What is different about it? Thickness? Weight/square metre? Density?
Impregnated w
> btw. in the Netherlands where I live, they are called ponskaarten and are
> nowhere to be find also. We only have one box of fresh cards and one box of
> used cards with our IBM 029. Of course the unused cards stay in the depot
> until we can do something usefull with them. That is why I made thi
On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 7:52 AM, Al Kossow wrote:
>
> look at ALL of the documentation of the period
> NO ONE called them PUNCH cards
Section 7:
http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/burroughs/200-21001B_B200_SeriesRefMan_Jul64.pdf
"Punch card stock" "punch card peripherals"
Second to last pag
Hi Lee.
Thanks. feel free to rename the file to anything you like. :-)
I decided to ignore rude yelling people. Being right and being polite
are two completely different things.
btw. in the Netherlands where I live, they are called ponskaarten and
are nowhere to be find also. We only have on
> On Sep 10, 2015, at 8:52 AM, Al Kossow wrote:
>
> On 9/10/15 4:38 AM, simon wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> just to let you know that i've made a vector graphics file for A
>> hollerith punchcard.
>>
>> https://hack42.nl/wiki/Bestand:Punchcard.svg
>>
>> enjoy
>
> they are PUNCHED cards
> look at A
On 10 September 2015 at 15:42, Fred Cisin wrote:
> He also said that the colored pencils that I manually did graphs
> with were "COLOUR PENCILS".
Sounds legit to me. But then in the old world we still spell the
proper, old-fashioned-way. ;¬)
--
Liam Proven • Profile: http://lproven.livejournal
On 9/10/15 4:38 AM, simon wrote:
Hi All,
just to let you know that i've made a vector graphics file for A
hollerith punchcard.
https://hack42.nl/wiki/Bestand:Punchcard.svg
enjoy
they are PUNCHED cards
look at ALL of the documentation of the period
NO ONE called them PUNCH cards
On Thu, 10 Sep 2015, Al Kossow wrote:
they are PUNCHED cards
look at ALL of the documentation of the period
NO ONE called them PUNCH cards
Half a century ago, there were already some people who got it wrong.
I had a boss who insisted that blanks in the box were "PUNCH CARDS",
that it wasn't un
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