[cctalk] Re: Computers in the Paul Allen collection

On Wed, 21 Aug 2024, Glen Slick via cctalk wrote: On Wed, Aug 21, 2024, 10:43 AM Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: I don't know how many of you have read through the whole Christie's listings, so I figured I'd summarize the computers that are in the Paul Allen auctions. If

[cctalk] Re: Computers in the Paul Allen collection

Dave G4UGM > -Original Message- > From: W2HX via cctalk > Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2024 9:03 PM > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Cc: W2HX > Subject: [cctalk] Re: Computers in the Paul Allen collection > > Anyone want to guess what the

[cctalk] Re: Computers in the Paul Allen collection

: [cctalk] Re: Computers in the Paul Allen collection > On Aug 21, 2024, at 2:27 PM, Glen Slick via cctalk > wrote: > > ... > If an HP 2100S is really worth USD 10,000 - USD 15,000, I would > happily sell my 2100A for a lot less than that, although with only > half the

[cctalk] Re: Computers in the Paul Allen collection

> On Aug 21, 2024, at 2:27 PM, Glen Slick via cctalk > wrote: > > ... > If an HP 2100S is really worth USD 10,000 - USD 15,000, I would happily > sell my 2100A for a lot less than that, although with only half the core > memory populated. > > USD 5,000 - USD 8,000 also seems a bit much for a

[cctalk] Re: Computers in the Paul Allen collection

On Wed, Aug 21, 2024, 10:43 AM Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > I don't know how many of you have read through the whole Christie's > listings, so I figured I'd summarize the computers that are in the Paul > Allen auctions. > > There are two auctions: > https://

[cctalk] Computers in the Paul Allen collection

I don't know how many of you have read through the whole Christie's listings, so I figured I'd summarize the computers that are in the Paul Allen auctions. There are two auctions: https://onlineonly.christies.com/s/firsts-history-computing-paul-g-allen-collection/lots/3726 start

[cctalk] Re: Seattle’s Living Computers Museum logs off for good as Paul Allen estate will auction vintage items

> On Jun 25, 2024, at 8:11 PM, Sellam Abraham via cctalk > wrote: > > ... > How do we even know for sure that his sister, Jody, is actually the legal > executor to his estate? I think that's a bit of a silly question. For one thing, "executor" is a status assigned by a probate court, and c

[cctalk] Re: Seattle’s Living Computers Museum logs off for good as Paul Allen estate will auction vintage items

Chuck Guzis wrote: > I remember my friend, Debbie, who worked as a CE for DEC back in the > primordial ages, made a big deal about the Super Foonly. > > Have any working Foonly systems survived? The Stanford Super Foonly was designed, but never built. The project ran out of ARPA funding in the ea

[cctalk] Re: Seattle’s Living Computers Museum logs off for good as Paul Allen estate will auction vintage items

Nope. LCM had a KI-10, ISTR it was half of a dual CPU system from Kiel. When I visted there was a 2060 and a 2065, as well as a KS. I understand that later they acquired a KA and the MIT-MC KL (1080). Yep, my error. I saw the picture in Christie's and thought "Heh, they picked the shiny cup" w

[cctalk] Re: Seattle’s Living Computers Museum logs off for good as Paul Allen estate will auction vintage items

On 6/25/24 18:29, phil--- via cctalk wrote: > > Nope. LCM had a KI-10, ISTR it was half of a dual CPU system from > Kiel. When I visted there was a 2060 and a 2065, as well as a KS. > I understand that later they acquired a KA and the MIT-MC KL (1080). Please pardon the side trip on this thread,

[cctalk] Re: Seattle’s Living Computers Museum logs off for good as Paul Allen estate will auction vintage items

> On 06/25/2024 7:06 PM CDT Sellam Abraham via cctalk > wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 4:54 PM Rick Bensene via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > Allen’s estate, which has been managing and winding down his vast array > > of holdings > > > > > > > I'm compelled to lo

[cctalk] Re: Seattle’s Living Computers Museum logs off for good as Paul Allen estate will auction vintage items

CZ wrote: > Dumb asses couldn't even get the computer right. > > "A highlight of the sale is a computer that Allen helped restore and on > which he worked, a DEC PDP-10: KI-10. Built in 1971, it’s the first > computer that both Allen and Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates ever used > prior to f

[cctalk] Re: Seattle’s Living Computers Museum logs off for good as Paul Allen estate will auction vintage items

On 6/25/2024 8:11 PM, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: By the way, I think I already indicated this, but if anyone has a legitimate claim, the disbursement of the collection could be challenged in court, and some alternate outcome decreed by virtue of public policy (sometimes we can use governmen

[cctalk] Re: Seattle’s Living Computers Museum logs off for good as Paul Allen estate will auction vintage items

rt it wouldn't be. So I guess it's time to rent a U-Haul Again So who do I contact? CZ CZ@MIT-AI On 6/25/2024 4:51 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 6/25/24 13:28, Tom Uban via cctalk wrote: If Paul Allen was unable to setup his museum, something he clearly cared deeply about

[cctalk] Re: Seattle’s Living Computers Museum logs off for good as Paul Allen estate will auction vintage items

ould never go bankrupt or lose interest and that AI was finally safe. But I knew in my heart it wouldn't be. So I guess it's time to rent a U-Haul Again So who do I contact? CZ CZ@MIT-AI On 6/25/2024 4:51 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 6/25/24 13:28, Tom Uban via cctalk wrot

[cctalk] Re: Seattle’s Living Computers Museum logs off for good as Paul Allen estate will auction vintage items

By the way, I think I already indicated this, but if anyone has a legitimate claim, the disbursement of the collection could be challenged in court, and some alternate outcome decreed by virtue of public policy (sometimes we can use government power for our benefit). How do we even know for sure t

[cctalk] Re: Seattle’s Living Computers Museum logs off for good as Paul Allen estate will auction vintage items

wrote: https://www.geekwire.com/2024/seattles-living-computers-museum-logs-off-for-good-as-paul-allen-estate-will-auction-vintage-items/ Living Computers Museum + Labs, the Seattle institution created by the late Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen as a hands-on showcase for rare computing technolo

[cctalk] Re: Seattle’s Living Computers Museum logs off for good as Paul Allen estate will auction vintage items

On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 4:54 PM Rick Bensene via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > Allen’s estate, which has been managing and winding down his vast array > of holdings > > since his death in 2018, confirmed to GeekWire that the 12-year-old > museum is closed for > > good. > > I held out

[cctalk] Re: Seattle’s Living Computers Museum logs off for good as Paul Allen estate will auction vintage items

Had Allen given final instructions that the entire LCM be cleaned out and melted for scrap, would you still think that he needed an excuse? It was his money; he had no reason to explain what he did with it or with the toys that he purchased. If he had done that, that would be fine (although that

[cctalk] Re: Seattle’s Living Computers Museum logs off for good as Paul Allen estate will auction vintage items

On Tue, Jun 25, 2024, 4:23 PM Sellam Abraham via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > I can't. Dude had virtually limitless money and couldn't hire an estate > planner to take care of it? > Who knows the details. I see a lot of assumptions being thrown out. I am a bit skeptical of the

[cctalk] Re: Seattle’s Living Computers Museum logs off for good as Paul Allen estate will auction vintage items

Here’s an article about it. https://www.seattletimes.com/business/microsoft/paul-allens-will-sheds-little-light-on-what-will-happen-to-estate/ Sent from my iPhone On Jun 25, 2024, at 16:54, Rick Bensene via cctalk wrote:  Allen’s estate, which has been managing and winding down his vast arr

[cctalk] Re: Seattle’s Living Computers Museum logs off for good as Paul Allen estate will auction vintage items

> Allen’s estate, which has been managing and winding down his vast array of > holdings > since his death in 2018, confirmed to GeekWire that the 12-year-old museum is > closed for > good. I held out hope that somehow this would not be the end of this place. Alas, it was not to be. I had

[cctalk] Re: Seattle's Living Computers Museum logs off for good as Paul Allen estate will auction vintage items

It's too bad they could have sold or donated the entire museum to another individual/company/group. I'm assuming they must have tried that route. I think I remember that he had no will? And his sister doesn't care about the nerd stuff. - Ethan

[cctalk] Re: Seattle’s Living Computers Museum logs off for good as Paul Allen estate will auction vintage items

On 6/25/24 16:22, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: > I can't. Dude had virtually limitless money and couldn't hire an estate > planner to take care of it? > > There's literally no excuse in this case. Had Allen given final instructions that the entire LCM be cleaned out and melted for scrap, wou

[cctalk] Re: Seattle’s Living Computers Museum logs off for good as Paul Allen estate will auction vintage items

On Tue, Jun 25, 2024, 4:18 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > On 6/25/24 16:03, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: > > > I think he really thought he had more time on earth, and didn't consider > > the estate planning of the museum to be an urgent matter. Sadly, he was > > wrong about that! > > I can u

[cctalk] Re: Seattle’s Living Computers Museum logs off for good as Paul Allen estate will auction vintage items

On 6/25/24 16:03, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: > I think he really thought he had more time on earth, and didn't consider > the estate planning of the museum to be an urgent matter.  Sadly, he was > wrong about that! I can understand that. Currently, my wife and I have a sort of "blanket" will th

[cctalk] Re: Seattle’s Living Computers Museum logs off for good as Paul Allen estate will auction vintage items

On Tue, Jun 25, 2024, 4:03 PM Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: > On 6/25/24 15:51, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > > On 6/25/24 13:28, Tom Uban via cctalk wrote: > >> If Paul Allen was unable to setup his museum, something he clearly cared > >> deeply about, in a way that

[cctalk] Re: Seattle’s Living Computers Museum logs off for good as Paul Allen estate will auction vintage items

On 6/25/24 15:51, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 6/25/24 13:28, Tom Uban via cctalk wrote: If Paul Allen was unable to setup his museum, something he clearly cared deeply about, in a way that would not be dissolved when he passed, who could? I think he really thought he had more time on

[cctalk] Re: Seattle’s Living Computers Museum logs off for good as Paul Allen estate will auction vintage items

> > Funny. I said at the time that Paul would never go bankrupt or lose > interest and that AI was finally safe. But I knew in my heart it wouldn't > be. So I guess it's time to rent a U-Haul > > > > Again > > > > So who do I contact? > > > &

[cctalk] Re: Seattle’s Living Computers Museum logs off for good as Paul Allen estate will auction vintage items

that Paul would never go bankrupt or lose interest > and that AI was finally safe. But I knew in my heart it wouldn't be. So I > guess it's time to rent a U-Haul > > Again > > So who do I contact? > > CZ > > CZ@MIT-AI > >> On 6/25/2024

[cctalk] Re: Seattle’s Living Computers Museum logs off for good as Paul Allen estate will auction vintage items

5/24 13:28, Tom Uban via cctalk wrote: If Paul Allen was unable to setup his museum, something he clearly cared deeply about, in a way that would not be dissolved when he passed, who could? Mr. Allen collected a lot of things, which, given his wealth, probably can be viewed in the same way that w

[cctalk] Re: Seattle’s Living Computers Museum logs off for good as Paul Allen estate will auction vintage items

> On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 1:51 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk < >> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: >> >>> On 6/25/24 13:28, Tom Uban via cctalk wrote: >>> If Paul Allen was unable to setup his museum, something he clearly cared >>> deeply about, in a way tha

[cctalk] Re: Seattle’s Living Computers Museum logs off for good as Paul Allen estate will auction vintage items

receipt (I'd like to read the terms)? Sellam On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 1:51 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On 6/25/24 13:28, Tom Uban via cctalk wrote: > > If Paul Allen was unable to setup his museum, something he clearly cared > > deeply

[cctalk] Re: Seattle’s Living Computers Museum logs off for good as Paul Allen estate will auction vintage items

On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 11:53 AM Alan Perry via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > What I want to know is whether they even tried to keep the museum intact > and fork off a foundation to run it like MoPOP and Flying Heritage. > I was curious on this too. It seems his entire estate is be

[cctalk] Re: Seattle’s Living Computers Museum logs off for good as Paul Allen estate will auction vintage items

On 6/25/24 13:28, Tom Uban via cctalk wrote: > If Paul Allen was unable to setup his museum, something he clearly cared > deeply about, in a way that would not be dissolved when he passed, who > could? Mr. Allen collected a lot of things, which, given his wealth, probably can be view

[cctalk] Re: Seattle’s Living Computers Museum logs off for good as Paul Allen estate will auction vintage items

If Paul Allen was unable to setup his museum, something he clearly cared deeply about, in a way that would not be dissolved when he passed, who could? On 6/25/24 11:46, Christian Liendo via cctalk wrote: https://www.geekwire.com/2024/seattles-living-computers-museum-logs-off-for-good-as-paul

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> On Jun 25, 2024, at 4:05 PM, dstalkowski--- via cctalk > wrote: > > Museums may be one of the worst place to donate equipment. > > This example from ham radio was posted to rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors > back in 2000: > > "Many of us in the Dallas area donated hundreds of highly collecta

[cctalk] Re: Seattle’s Living Computers Museum logs off for good as Paul Allen estate will auction vintage items RO

ue Jun 25 12:46:58 2024 cctalk@classiccmp.org (Christian Liendo via cctalk) wrote: > > https://www.geekwire.com/2024/seattles-living-computers-museum-logs-off-for-good-as-paul-allen-estate-will-auction-vintage-items/ > > Living Computers Museum + Labs, the Seattle institution created

[cctalk] Re: Seattle’s Living Computers Museum logs off for good as Paul Allen estate will auction vintage items

On 6/25/24 12:21, John Herron via cctalk wrote: > What a disappointing shame. It happens to too many good computer museums. I > wonder if there's a solution for the future. Hopefully they're in contact > with CHM and others prior to the auction but it unfortunately sounds like > they're looking fo

[cctalk] Re: Seattle's Living Computers Museum logs off for good as Paul Allen estate will auction vintage items

;s Living Computers Museum logs off for good as Paul Allen estate will auction vintage items > On Jun 25, 2024, at 2:27 PM, brad via cctalk wrote: > > I'm curious what happens to items that were donated on the understanding that the museum would be a safe long term place for them?

[cctalk] Re: Seattle’s Living Computers Museum logs off for good as Paul Allen estate will auction vintage items

On Tue, Jun 25, 2024, 11:47 AM Christian Liendo via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > https://www.geekwire.com/2024/seattles-living-computers-museum-logs-off-for-good-as-paul-allen-estate-will-auction-vintage-items/ > > Living Computers Museum + Labs, the Seattle institutio

[cctalk] Re: Seattle’s Living Computers Museum logs off for good as Paul Allen estate will auction vintage items

On 6/25/24 11:35 AM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: On Jun 25, 2024, at 2:27 PM, brad via cctalk wrote: I'm curious what happens to items that were donated on the understanding that the museum would be a safe long term place for them?Pretty sad they couldn't make it work. There's a lot to

[cctalk] Re: Seattle’s Living Computers Museum logs off for good as Paul Allen estate will auction vintage items

> On Jun 25, 2024, at 2:27 PM, brad via cctalk wrote: > > I'm curious what happens to items that were donated on the understanding that > the museum would be a safe long term place for them?Pretty sad they couldn't > make it work. There's a lot to be said for hard rules in signed contracts,

[cctalk] Re: Seattle’s Living Computers Museum logs off for good as Paul Allen estate will auction vintage items

(GMT-08:00) To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Cc: Teo Zenios Subject: [cctalk] Re: Seattle’s Living Computers Museum logs off for good as Paul Allen estate will auction vintage items So much for museums outliving the founders.-Original Message- From:

[cctalk] Re: Seattle’s Living Computers Museum logs off for good as Paul Allen estate will auction vintage items

Paul Allen estate will auction vintage items https://www.geekwire.com/2024/seattles-living-computers-museum-logs-off-for-good-as-paul-allen-estate-will-auction-vintage-items/ Living Computers Museum + Labs, the Seattle institution created by the late Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen as a hands-on

[cctalk] Seattle’s Living Computers Museum logs off for good as Paul Allen estate will auction vintage items

https://www.geekwire.com/2024/seattles-living-computers-museum-logs-off-for-good-as-paul-allen-estate-will-auction-vintage-items/ Living Computers Museum + Labs, the Seattle institution created by the late Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen as a hands-on showcase for rare computing technology and

Re: Object-oriented OS [was: Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen]

On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 05:40:54AM +0100, Tomasz Rola via cctalk wrote: [...] > Anyway, I think it is obvious that doing mere OO system was not really > big deal. Some of those projects were dying of old age by then. Some > frameworks, like PVN, are nearly 30 years old today. PVM, not PVN, sorry (

Re: Object-oriented OS [was: Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen]

On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 05:53:30PM -0400, Sean Conner via cctalk wrote: > It was thus said that the Great Tomasz Rola via cctalk once stated: > > Ok guys, just to make things clearer, here are two pages from wiki: > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object-oriented_operating_system > > > > http

Re: Object-oriented OS [was: Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen]

It was thus said that the Great Tomasz Rola via cctalk once stated: > Ok guys, just to make things clearer, here are two pages from wiki: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object-oriented_operating_system > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object-oriented_programming > > What I was thinking back

Re: Object-oriented OS [was: Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen]

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 at 05:33, Tomasz Rola wrote: I found this post incoherent and very hard to follow. I will therefore limit myself to commenting to the responses direct to me. OK, apart from: > Ok guys, just to make things clearer, here are two pages from wiki: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wi

Object-oriented OS [was: Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen]

Ok guys, just to make things clearer, here are two pages from wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object-oriented_operating_system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object-oriented_programming What I was thinking back at the time of premiere: classes, objects derived from the classes, user able to m

Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen

On 10/24/18 9:45 AM, Nemo via cctalk wrote: > On 24/10/2018, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote (in part): > [...] >> Come to think of it, most Linux users I know are Windows converts. >> Very few are Mac converts -- once you go Mac, you can't go back, >> apparently. > Why would you? (Mac is certified

Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen

On 24/10/2018, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote (in part): [...] > Come to think of it, most Linux users I know are Windows converts. > Very few are Mac converts -- once you go Mac, you can't go back, > apparently. Why would you? (Mac is certified POSIX and works very nicely with Sun mice and UNIX k

Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen

On 10/24/18 5:47 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: > On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 at 20:01, Alan Perry via cctalk > wrote: > >> Excuse me, but I work for Oracle on Solaris (primarily on USB code) and >> it is not EOL. Oracle just released Solaris 11.4 and the next release is >> being worked on. > Oh! Well

Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen

On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 at 00:31, Jim Manley via cctalk wrote: > It's the sort of stuff marked > with "COMPANY PROPRIETARY" watermarks that, if you try to scan or run it > through a photocopier, produces black output due to opto-molecular chemical > overlays. Oh dear. Let me guess -- do you also wor

Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen

On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 at 20:12, Jim Manley via cctalk wrote: > > Wrong. Apple has been using self-customized, optimized-for their-hardware > supersets of the VNC protocol (which is X based) Not true. VNC isn't X-based. And Apple supports it, sure, but as an accessory thing. VNC also works fine on

Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen

On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 at 20:09, John Ames wrote: > There's also the Afterstep/Window Maker crowd, open-source > reimplementations of the NEXTSTEP desktop environment, which predates > even Windows 3.x. That sort of echoes my point, really, I think. As I said, it's ludicrous to counter my claim th

Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen

> On Oct 24, 2018, at 2:47 AM, Liam Proven wrote: > > On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 at 20:01, Alan Perry via cctalk > wrote: > >> Excuse me, but I work for Oracle on Solaris (primarily on USB code) and >> it is not EOL. Oracle just released Solaris 11.4 and the next release is >> being worked on. > >

Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen

On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 at 20:01, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote: > Excuse me, but I work for Oracle on Solaris (primarily on USB code) and > it is not EOL. Oracle just released Solaris 11.4 and the next release is > being worked on. Oh! Well, I'm very glad to hear it. But the news has not spread -- c

Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen

On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 at 19:48, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > "The simplistic style is partly explained by the fact that its editors, > having to meet a publishing deadline, copied the information off the back > of a packet of breakfast cereal, hastily embroidering it with a few foot > notes in o

Re: Aphorism (Was: Computers that never crash (Was: Microsoft-Paul Allen)

On 10/23/2018 05:09 PM, dwight via cctalk wrote: I had an Ultra Sparc machine that ran continuously for more than 5 years except for maybe 2 power outages and a couple time to vacuum it out. Oh, well, I had a homemade UVax-II system built out of grey market and 3rd party boards. I ran it for 21

Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen

On Oct 23, 2018, at 11:12 AM, Jim Manley via cctalk wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 3:59 PM Guy Sotomayor Jr wrote: > >> An (optional) X server (and clients) can be added to the OS (I use them >> all the time) but >> is not part of the base install ... >> > > Wrong. Apple has been using

Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen

> On Oct 23, 2018, at 3:30 PM, Jim Manley via cctalk > wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 12:55 PM Guy Sotomayor Jr wrote: > >> On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 3:59 PM Guy Sotomayor Jr >> wrote: >> >>> An (optional) X server (and clients) can be added to the OS (I use them >>> all the time) but i

Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen

On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 12:55 PM Guy Sotomayor Jr wrote: > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 3:59 PM Guy Sotomayor Jr > wrote: > >> An (optional) X server (and clients) can be added to the OS (I use them >> all the time) but is not part of the base install ... >> > > Apple has been using self-customized,

Re: Aphorism (Was: Computers that never crash (Was: Microsoft-Paul Allen)

s. Dwight From: cctalk on behalf of Fred Cisin via cctalk Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 11:01:42 AM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Aphorism (Was: Computers that never crash (Was: Microsoft-Paul Allen) On Tue, 23 Oct 2018, Chuck

Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen

On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 9:34 AM Eric Smith via cctalk wrote: > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018, 02:36 Jim Manley wrote: > > Microsoft did offer a RAM expansion board specifically to allow the > Softcard to access 64K of RAM dedicated to CP/M, > > Even that wasn't dedicated to CP/M. It was a 16K RAM card th

Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen

> On Oct 23, 2018, at 11:12 AM, Jim Manley wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 3:59 PM Guy Sotomayor Jr > wrote: > An (optional) X server (and clients) can be added to the OS (I use them all > the time) but > is not part of the base install ... > > Wrong. Apple has

Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen

On 10/23/18 11:41 AM, Paul Berger via cctalk wrote: On 2018-10-23 2:45 PM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 at 19:05, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: On 10/23/2018 10:47 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: This may be an unfortunate mismatch of English idioms. Fair. "Out

Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen

On 2018-10-23 2:45 PM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 at 19:05, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: On 10/23/2018 10:47 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: This may be an unfortunate mismatch of English idioms. Fair. "Out there", to me, means "current, available/on sale/in us

Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen

On Tue, 23 Oct 2018, John Ames via cctalk wrote: Haiku says hi. Or would, if they could spare the time from trying to awkwardly kludge Linux development models into a BeOS world. Apple said, "hello" DRI GEM said, "Hi" Apple sued.

Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen

On 10/23/18 11:12 AM, Jim Manley via cctalk wrote: > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 3:59 PM Guy Sotomayor Jr wrote: > >> An (optional) X server (and clients) can be added to the OS (I use them >> all the time) but >> is not part of the base install ... >> > > Wrong. Jim, have you ever WORKED for A

Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen

On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 3:59 PM Guy Sotomayor Jr wrote: > An (optional) X server (and clients) can be added to the OS (I use them > all the time) but > is not part of the base install ... > Wrong. Apple has been using self-customized, optimized-for their-hardware supersets of the VNC protocol (

Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen

> Grant Taylor wrote: >> *Every* Unix desktop out there draws on Win95. > > Nope. That's simply not true. > > The following three vast families of window managers / desktops prove > (to my satisfaction) that your statement is wrong. > > ? Common Desktop Environment (a.k.a. CDE) and it's ilk. >

Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen

Excuse me, but I work for xxx and it is not EOL. Outsider EOL predictions sometimes lead to a spike in workload for the Real-Time Resume' Updater. (cf. "aerospace collapse" just under half a century ago)

Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen

On 10/23/18 11:00 AM, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote: On 10/23/18 10:45 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 at 19:05, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: On 10/23/2018 10:47 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: This may be an unfortunate mismatch of English idioms. Fair. "Out t

Aphorism (Was: Computers that never crash (Was: Microsoft-Paul Allen)

On Tue, 23 Oct 2018, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: "If it doesn't crash, you're not running a sufficiently varied and demanding workload." Are rights available for wall plaques, T-shirts, and bumper stickers?

Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen

On 10/23/18 10:45 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 at 19:05, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: On 10/23/2018 10:47 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: This may be an unfortunate mismatch of English idioms. Fair. "Out there", to me, means "current, available/on sale/in use

Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen

On 10/23/18 10:37 AM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: On 10/23/2018 11:19 AM, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote: When I bring up Solaris 11.4 in VirtualBox, I get a Gnome desktop. Ya, I think that Solaris has started using Gnome as the default desktop.  But I'm fairly sure that C.D.E. is still th

Re: Computers that never crash (Was: Microsoft-Paul Allen)

> On Oct 23, 2018, at 1:45 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk > wrote: > > On 10/23/18 9:32 AM, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote: > >> I have a RPi dedicated to a SIMH VAX-11/750 running BSD that I >> intended to leave up and rack up some impressive uptime. Then I was >> reminded by the local electricity

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On Tue, 23 Oct 2018, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: That notwithstanding, I have to say, I still think it's ludicrous to imply that anything _before_ Win95 could have drawn upon it, even if making a negative statement. "The simplistic style is partly explained by the fact that its editors, havi

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On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 at 19:05, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: > > On 10/23/2018 10:47 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: > > This may be an unfortunate mismatch of English idioms. > > Fair. > > > "Out there", to me, means "current, available/on sale/in use now, in > > active use and/or maintenance".

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On 10/23/18 9:32 AM, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote: > I have a RPi dedicated to a SIMH VAX-11/750 running BSD that I > intended to leave up and rack up some impressive uptime. Then I was > reminded by the local electricity provider that this isn’t the right > place to try that. We get clear day, cal

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On 10/23/2018 11:19 AM, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote: When I bring up Solaris 11.4 in VirtualBox, I get a Gnome desktop. Ya, I think that Solaris has started using Gnome as the default desktop. But I'm fairly sure that C.D.E. is still there and a menu choice away at login time. -- Grant.

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Even though Oracle only sells server hardware running Solaris, there are customers running Solaris on laptops and other systems with graphic consoles. When I bring up Solaris 11.4 in VirtualBox, I get a Gnome desktop. (I work on USB and boot, so I don't pay much attention to the desktop and cou

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AIX probably still has them but graphic consoles are pretty rare now most AIX boxes are used as servers these days. Paul. On 2018-10-23 2:05 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: On 10/23/2018 10:47 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: This may be an unfortunate mismatch of English idioms. Fair.

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On 10/23/2018 10:47 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: This may be an unfortunate mismatch of English idioms. Fair. "Out there", to me, means "current, available/on sale/in use now, in active use and/or maintenance". I'm fairly sure that Solaris and AIX both continue to ship C.D.E. ;-) Th

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On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 at 17:49, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: > > On 10/23/2018 04:41 AM, Liam Proven wrote: > > It's pointless to compare environments from _before_ Win95 as a way of > > saying that Win95 didn't influence them! > > Your statement that I replied to is: > > *Every* Unix desktop

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> On Oct 23, 2018, at 8:48 AM, Jon Elson via cctalk > wrote: > > On 10/22/2018 08:33 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: You've discovered some computer that doesn't ever crash? >> On Mon, 22 Oct 2018, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: >>> Hmmm, well, my home desktop has been up 478 days, my web

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On 10/23/2018 04:41 AM, Liam Proven wrote: It's pointless to compare environments from _before_ Win95 as a way of saying that Win95 didn't influence them! Your statement that I replied to is: *Every* Unix desktop out there draws on Win95. That "every" includes desktops before Windows 95.

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On 10/22/2018 08:33 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: You've discovered some computer that doesn't ever crash? On Mon, 22 Oct 2018, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: Hmmm, well, my home desktop has been up 478 days, my web server has been up 232 days, and my Asterisk phone system has been up for 571

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On Mon, 22 Oct 2018 at 23:41, Jim Manley via cctalk wrote: > > This reference to "object-oriented" is way off, conflating GUI "objects" > and true object-oriented software. Yep. Welcome to the wonderful world of marketing. :-( > U ... no. You're apparently completely uninformed about MIT P

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On Mon, 22 Oct 2018 at 22:54, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: > > On 10/22/2018 08:14 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: > > *Every* Unix desktop out there draws on Win95. > > Nope. That's simply not true. > > The following three vast families of window managers / desktops prove > (to my satisfacti

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On Oct 20, 2018, at 10:31 AM, Tomasz Rola via cctalk wrote: > > Oooh. My personal recollection about w95 is that there was a lot of > touting before the premiere day, how advanced it was because "object > oriented operating system”. [...] > I might have been one of the very few people who not

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You've discovered some computer that doesn't ever crash? On Mon, 22 Oct 2018, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: Hmmm, well, my home desktop has been up 478 days, my web server has been up 232 days, and my Asterisk phone system has been up for 571 days. The web server is directly on the WAN, and subj

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On 10/22/2018 05:15 PM, John Foust via cctalk wrote: You've discovered some computer that doesn't ever crash? Hmmm, well, my home desktop has been up 478 days, my web server has been up 232 days, and my Asterisk phone system has been up for 571 days. The web server is directly on the WAN, and

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> You've discovered some computer that doesn't ever crash? They used to be called "IBM Midrange". -- Will (don't call them minicomputers!)

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On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 4:16 PM John Foust via cctalk wrote: > At 04:40 PM 10/22/2018, Jim Manley via cctalk wrote: > >As for multitasking, even Windows 10 can easily get bogged down where the > >GUI becomes essentially unresponsive to user actions. MS has never > grasped > >that it should never

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At 04:40 PM 10/22/2018, Jim Manley via cctalk wrote: >As for multitasking, even Windows 10 can easily get bogged down where the >GUI becomes essentially unresponsive to user actions. MS has never grasped >that it should never be possible to wind up in a situation where the user >is stuck watching

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Some corrections related to Mach and Apple. TTFN - Guy > On Oct 22, 2018, at 2:40 PM, Jim Manley via cctalk > wrote: > > > > BTW, MacOS X is based on Mach, the version of Unix that was designed for > multiple, closely-coupled processors, and it, too, uses X as a basis for > its GUI. No.

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On Mon, 22 Oct 2018, Jim Manley via cctalk wrote: windowing desktop per user, while X Window not only supports multiple desktops per user (each with its own context that can be swapped in to occupy the display area), but natively supports remote desktop access from a number of users over network

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