On 03/02/2017 08:30 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
>
> A short list of shipping products that do that:
>
> Amazon Echo
> https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01GAGVIE4/
>
> Google Home
> https://madeby.google.com/home/
>
> Microsoft Cortana
> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/cortana
>
Now that th
On 9 March 2017 at 17:22, Ray Arachelian wrote:
>
> Now that the cat's out of the bag, how soon before you can tell your
> smart TV "Dear CIA, I'm hungry, can you send over a pizza pls, k thx bye"
:-D
Or the XCKD version:
https://xkcd.com/1807/
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have no idea... wife bought them at home depot they were not cheap but
just twisted ino fixture and done.
I am going to do dame in some of the rooms at SMECC museum too.
I like a simple fix and this was!
In a message dated 3/7/2017 12:43:24 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
cctal
On 03/07/2017 01:04 PM, Ed via cctalk wrote:
we had tubes with LEDs in them... took old florescent tube out of
fixture.. twisted in the thing with the LEDs in it that hacked wight into
the lighting fixture and done! Ed#
We had hideous 30-year old magnetic ballasts in the
kitchen.
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of jim
> stephens via cctalk
> Sent: 07 March 2017 19:43
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
>
> Subject: Re: Fluorescent lights (Was: Full immersion emulation)
&
On 3/7/2017 11:04 AM, Ed via cctalk wrote:
we had tubes with LEDs in them... took old florescent tube out of
fixture.. twisted in the thing with the LEDs in it that hacked wight into
the lighting fixture and done! Ed#
I've asked about those and have no sources of such. They do
we had tubes with LEDs in them... took old florescent tube out of
fixture.. twisted in the thing with the LEDs in it that hacked wight into
the lighting fixture and done! Ed#
In a message dated 3/7/2017 10:23:36 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:
> From: Jon Elson
> I have converted our kitchen to LEDs.
Yeah, I've already done ours, too. Our fixtures are let into the ceiling, so
just replacing them with LED ones wasn't an option; I couldn't find ones that
took the same opening. But I bought an under-ceiling fluorescent-sized LED
On 03/06/2017 08:57 PM, Eric Christopherson via cctalk wrote:
I assume the kind of LEDs under discussion doesn't have the problem of
overheating that some LEDs have when placed in enclosures without heat
sinks, right?
The 48" LED fluorescent retrofits have a lot of surface
area, so they probab
On Mon, Mar 06, 2017, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
>
> > On Mar 6, 2017, at 2:11 PM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> > wrote:
> >
> >> From: Paul Koning
> >
> terrible fluorescent lighting.
> >
> >>> There's another kind? :-)
> >
> >> in fact you can get LEDs that fit in fluorescent fixtures
On 03/06/2017 01:11 PM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote:
> in fact you can get LEDs that fit in fluorescent fixtures, either as is
I've been looking for LED replacements, but I haven't seen them; I'd have
thought that that would be a pretty popular item, but I haven't seen them in
any local s
On Mon, Mar 06, 2017 at 02:11:45PM -0500, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote:
[...]
> I've been looking for LED replacements, but I haven't seen them; I'd have
> thought that that would be a pretty popular item, but I haven't seen them in
> any local stores. Are they only available as an online option?
On 03/06/2017 11:23 AM, Richard Cini via cctalk wrote:
> I bought 4x2 (4', 2 bulb) replacement LED fixtures on Amazon to swap
> out some of the fluorescent fixtures in my shop. You can get 3 color
> temperatures (I got 2700k I think). Hard-wired, but an easy install
> and the light is very bright.
I bought 4x2 (4', 2 bulb) replacement LED fixtures on Amazon to swap out some
of the fluorescent fixtures in my shop. You can get 3 color temperatures (I got
2700k I think). Hard-wired, but an easy install and the light is very bright.
$53/per.
Rich
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 6, 2017, at 2:1
> On Mar 6, 2017, at 2:11 PM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> wrote:
>
>> From: Paul Koning
>
terrible fluorescent lighting.
>
>>> There's another kind? :-)
>
>> in fact you can get LEDs that fit in fluorescent fixtures, either as is
>
> I've been looking for LED replacements, but I haven't
@classiccmp.org
Cc: j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Fluorescent lights (Was: Full immersion emulation)
> From: Paul Koning
>>> terrible fluorescent lighting.
>> There's another kind? :-)
> in fact you can get LEDs that fit in fluorescent fixtures, either as
> From: Paul Koning
>>> terrible fluorescent lighting.
>> There's another kind? :-)
> in fact you can get LEDs that fit in fluorescent fixtures, either as is
I've been looking for LED replacements, but I haven't seen them; I'd have
thought that that would be a pretty popular ite
On 03/05/2017 12:18 PM, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote:
>
> Mention above about the vacuum capstans. Some really old drives had
> two continuously counterrotating capstans with slots in them. Valves
> applied either air pressure, to make the tape float over the capstan,
> or vacuum, to make the capsta
That all makes perfect sense now. Thanks!
--
Mark J. Blair, NF6X
http://www.nf6x.net/
On 03/05/2017 12:41 PM, Mark J. Blair via cctalk wrote:
On Mar 5, 2017, at 09:49, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
I don't recall many who used those yellow rings for their intended
purpose. It was just too easy to forget to remove one. You mounted
tapes without and reached around the back of th
On 2017-Mar-05, at 11:27 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
> On 03/05/2017 10:41 AM, Mark J. Blair via cctalk wrote:
>>
>> So, was the write enable state latched at some point in the loading
>> cycle on those drives? That surprises me, because I would have
>> expected the write enable sensor to in
On 03/05/2017 10:41 AM, Mark J. Blair via cctalk wrote:
>
> So, was the write enable state latched at some point in the loading
> cycle on those drives? That surprises me, because I would have
> expected the write enable sensor to interrupt write current as
> combinatorial function on the drive, a
> On Mar 5, 2017, at 09:49, Chuck Guzis via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> I don't recall many who used those yellow rings for their intended
> purpose. It was just too easy to forget to remove one. You mounted
> tapes without and reached around the back of the reel with a punch card
> and tripped the "
On 03/05/2017 12:02 AM, Mark Linimon wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 04, 2017 at 01:34:25PM -0800, Chuck Guzis via cctalk
> wrote:
>> terrible fluorescent lighting.
>
> There's another kind?
The fixtures themselves were so high that they *did* make for some
recreation. Bored operators would engage in late
> On Mar 5, 2017, at 3:02 AM, Mark Linimon via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> On Sat, Mar 04, 2017 at 01:34:25PM -0800, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
>> terrible fluorescent lighting.
>
> There's another kind?
Well, there are "daylight" type fluorescent bulbs. Those are quite good.
We've had them aro
On 2017-03-05 4:19 AM, Mark Linimon via cctalk wrote:
On Wed, Mar 01, 2017 at 05:22:10PM -0500, Christian Gauger-Cosgrove via cctalk
wrote:
Don't forget what a machine room and the equipment looks like.
I think everyone has forgotten the most important part of the recreation.
There simply *
On Wed, Mar 01, 2017 at 05:22:10PM -0500, Christian Gauger-Cosgrove via cctalk
wrote:
> Don't forget what a machine room and the equipment looks like.
I think everyone has forgotten the most important part of the recreation.
There simply *must* be someone standing in the room to scream
DON'T
On Thu, Mar 02, 2017 at 07:26:25AM -0500, allison via cctalk wrote:
> I just fire up the PDP-11/73 (RL02, RX02, RD52x3,), then Microvax-II/GPX,
> Then the PDP-8f
Right now in the server room here at the house it's at 77dB -- well,
right at the server rack; it's a bit lower where I sit. There'
On Sat, Mar 04, 2017 at 01:34:25PM -0800, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
> terrible fluorescent lighting.
There's another kind?
:-)
mcl
> On Mar 4, 2017, at 21:42, Jon Elson wrote:
>
> Oh, get a TU78, for sure!
I would settle for either!
--
Mark J. Blair, NF6X
http://www.nf6x.net/
On 03/04/2017 10:35 PM, Mark J. Blair via cctalk wrote:
On Mar 4, 2017, at 17:09, Jon Elson wrote:
Hmmm, on our TU77, the vacuum pump was not that audible, but then it was in a
room with a LOT of noise.
My memory might be faulty, since it has been about 25 years since I've heard a
TU77. I do
> On Mar 4, 2017, at 17:09, Jon Elson wrote:
>
> Hmmm, on our TU77, the vacuum pump was not that audible, but then it was in a
> room with a LOT of noise.
My memory might be faulty, since it has been about 25 years since I've heard a
TU77. I don't suppose anybody near southern California has
On 03/04/2017 03:27 PM, Mark J. Blair via cctalk wrote:
I mostly remember the shop-vacuum-like whine of the vacuum pump, and the
fluttery thwack of the tape loops forming on load-up. The other tape motion
sounds didn't stick in my memory so much. I do remember the buzzy grind of the
capstan
On 03/04/2017 01:27 PM, Mark J. Blair via cctalk wrote:
>
> I mostly remember the shop-vacuum-like whine of the vacuum pump, and
> the fluttery thwack of the tape loops forming on load-up. The other
> tape motion sounds didn't stick in my memory so much. I do remember
> the buzzy grind of the cap
On 03/04/2017 01:13 PM, Mark J. Blair via cctalk wrote:
> Having experienced both 1980s computer rooms and passing kidney
> stones, I would like to offer my opinion that visiting a noisy
> computer room is something quite fun to do at least once, while one
> could skip the experience of passing ki
> On Mar 4, 2017, at 1:22 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
>
> On 03/04/2017 03:13 PM, Mark J. Blair via cctalk wrote:
>> For some reason, I fondly remember the scream of a DEC TU77 drive, and would
>> like to have one in my collection. Clearly, I must be somewhat touched in
>> the head. :)
> Scream? Or
On 03/04/2017 03:13 PM, Mark J. Blair via cctalk wrote:
For some reason, I fondly remember the scream of a DEC
TU77 drive, and would like to have one in my collection.
Clearly, I must be somewhat touched in the head. :)
Scream? Or buzz? We had a TU77, and when we ran backups,
it made a loud
> In my experience, visiting a computer room was enjoyable, while hanging out
> there for a full shift got rather tedious.
It got awful cold in there working on servers for several hours. People would
ask why I was in a thick jacket when it was 75 F outside.
--
--
> On Mar 1, 2017, at 11:39 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> There are certain experiences that I would not rather relive for the
> sake of nostalgia. Computer room noise would be right up there with
> kidney stones and root canals.
Having experienced both 1980s computer rooms and passi
On 3/1/2017 2:29 PM, Paul Berger via cctalk wrote:
> I have been in rooms where they had a box of earplugs at the door, but
> that came later in my field service rep days we where told that the
> noise was at a "safe" level, however I do know of at least one person
> that is still in field service
ROTFL.
On 3/3/2017 10:31 AM, Mark Linimon via cctalk wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 02, 2017 at 08:11:34AM -0800, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
>> It hardly took any time at all to get those to the point where it would
>> accept, "LET THERE BE LIGHT"
>
> "I'll ... have to think about it."
>
> mcl
>
On Thu, Mar 02, 2017 at 08:11:34AM -0800, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
> It hardly took any time at all to get those to the point where it would
> accept, "LET THERE BE LIGHT"
"I'll ... have to think about it."
mcl
On 2 March 2017 at 17:11, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
> And, it will reach a level of reliability to actually be usable, "in a few
> more years". "next year in jerusalem!"
I haven't tried either the Google or Amazon offerings. I have tried to
teach my elderly mother to use Siri and Google speec
Charles,
Then you are the one that asked for the permission to use the sound of my "Golf
Ball Madness" Selectric video (shameless plug: https://youtu.be/vOIPN70f_-Id ).
A) go right ahead and B) turns out I have a high end recording studio
installation at home. I can record clean high quality sa
On 3/2/2017 9:11 AM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
On Thu, 2 Mar 2017, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
Summary: it is in fact some time since speech became a primary, and
indeed sole, UI for some products. This is indeed their selling point:
you automate your home by asking an "intelligent" assista
On Thu, 2 Mar 2017, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
Summary: it is in fact some time since speech became a primary, and
indeed sole, UI for some products. This is indeed their selling point:
you automate your home by asking an "intelligent" assistant to dim the
lights, or for a weather forecast, or
On 2017-03-02 12:36 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
On 03/01/2017 07:21 PM, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote:
Well, we still had a Selectric (1050) on our 360/65 at Washington
University up until the end. I'm pretty sure it was the most
unreliable part of the machine. It seems about every two w
On 2 March 2017 at 01:55, ben via cctalk wrote:
> Well we talk to tablets and phones now, how long before they talk back?
A short list of shipping products that do that:
Amazon Echo
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01GAGVIE4/
Google Home
https://madeby.google.com/home/
Microsoft Cortana
https://ww
On 3/1/17 3:07 PM, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote:
On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
On 03/01/2017 11:14 AM, Charles Anthony via cctalk wrote:
Part of the iconic mainframe experience is the cold room sounds; for
early
On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Chuck Guzis via cc
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Jon Elson
> via cctalk
> Sent: 02 March 2017 03:21
> To: Paul Berger ; gene...@classiccmp.org;
> discuss...@classiccmp.org:On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
>
> Subject: Re:
On 3/1/2017 10:04 PM, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote:
Well, I remember the /50 at Rolla, they ran very little locally while
I was there, mostly used it as an RJE terminal.
Cards and 1402 printer. So, the 1050 was not real busy.
It ran MVT21 thru 1975. The MVT version of the workstation was one o
On 03/01/2017 10:52 PM, jim stephens via cctalk wrote:
On 3/1/2017 8:36 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
That's one area where CRTs are sooo much better. The
S/360 machines
just pounded the hell out of the SYSLOG device. I guess
the Selectrics
were better than the Model B-based console typ
On 3/1/2017 8:36 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
That's one area where CRTs are sooo much better. The S/360 machines
just pounded the hell out of the SYSLOG device. I guess the Selectrics
were better than the Model B-based console typewriters, which always
seemed as if they were going to fl
On 03/01/2017 07:21 PM, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote:
> Well, we still had a Selectric (1050) on our 360/65 at Washington
> University up until the end. I'm pretty sure it was the most
> unreliable part of the machine. It seems about every two weeks it
> would break the timing belt, which meant t
On 03/01/2017 02:54 PM, Paul Berger via cctalk wrote:
On 2017-03-01 3:14 PM, Charles Anthony via cctalk wrote:
Part of the iconic mainframe experience is the cold room
sounds; for early
Multics installations (and other systems) the sound of
the Selectric
operator's console.
I/O Selectrics a
On 2017-03-01 7:55 PM, ben via cctalk wrote:
On 3/1/2017 4:22 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
On 03/01/2017 11:46 AM, Tony Duell wrote:
But presumably on an emulator there will be some kind of volume
control. Or even unplug the speaker(s) if you want silence...
But then, what of the "real
On 3/1/2017 4:22 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
On 03/01/2017 11:46 AM, Tony Duell wrote:
But presumably on an emulator there will be some kind of volume
control. Or even unplug the speaker(s) if you want silence...
But then, what of the "realism"? Is the sound of a half-ton of
dynamite
On 03/01/2017 11:46 AM, Tony Duell wrote:
> But presumably on an emulator there will be some kind of volume
> control. Or even unplug the speaker(s) if you want silence...
But then, what of the "realism"? Is the sound of a half-ton of
dynamite going off realistic at 50 dB? Many aspects of "th
ons 2017-03-01 klockan 16:29 -0400 skrev Paul Berger via cctalk:
>
> On 2017-03-01 3:39 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
> > On 03/01/2017 11:14 AM, Charles Anthony via cctalk wrote:
> >> Part of the iconic mainframe experience is the cold room sounds; for early
> >> Multics installations (and o
I'm replying to the "top level" original message just to put some
other comments in on "full immersion" emulation, without trampling
over the discussions that are going on about the sound experience.
On 1 March 2017 at 14:14, Charles Anthony via cctalk
wrote:
>
On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 12:22 PM, Lawrence Wilkinson via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> On 01/03/17 21:13, jim stephens via cctalk wrote:
>
>> On 3/1/2017 11:14 AM, Charles Anthony via cctalk wrote:
>>
>>> So I am fishing for any existing audio clips with clean sounds, or
>>> someone
>>>
What about the chilling sound of a head crash?
Ziiiggg kluk kluk kluk...
On 1 March 2017 at 23:22, Warner Losh via cctalk
wrote:
> All this talk of the sounds hammering away and the console reminded me.
>
> There's another part of the experience: when a system crashed...
>
> There was a dis
All this talk of the sounds hammering away and the console reminded me.
There's another part of the experience: when a system crashed...
There was a distinctive pattern of sounds when the register dump was
printed, some beeps from the console and often the groans of the
people that were affected
On 2017-03-01 3:14 PM, Charles Anthony via cctalk wrote:
Part of the iconic mainframe experience is the cold room sounds; for early
Multics installations (and other systems) the sound of the Selectric
operator's console.
I/O Selectrics are rare, expensive and unreliable.
They are all mechanica
On 2017-03-01 3:39 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
On 03/01/2017 11:14 AM, Charles Anthony via cctalk wrote:
Part of the iconic mainframe experience is the cold room sounds; for early
Multics installations (and other systems) the sound of the Selectric
operator's console.
There is no way th
On 01/03/17 21:13, jim stephens via cctalk wrote:
On 3/1/2017 11:14 AM, Charles Anthony via cctalk wrote:
So I am fishing for any existing audio clips with clean sounds, or
someone
with a Selectric that is willing to make some recordings, or a
pointer to
somewhere where all of this has been do
On 3/1/2017 11:14 AM, Charles Anthony via cctalk wrote:
So I am fishing for any existing audio clips with clean sounds, or someone
with a Selectric that is willing to make some recordings, or a pointer to
somewhere where all of this has been done already.
-- Charles
Golfball typewriter group
[ stupid gmail ]
On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 1:07 PM, Warner Losh wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk
> wrote:
On 03/01/2017 11:14 AM, Charles Anthony via cctalk wrote:
>
> Part of the iconic mainframe experience is the cold room sounds; for
> early
>>>
>>>
On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
>>> On 03/01/2017 11:14 AM, Charles Anthony via cctalk wrote:
Part of the iconic mainframe experience is the cold room sounds; for
early
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk
>>>
>>> There is no way
On 03/01/2017 11:14 AM, Charles Anthony via cctalk wrote:
Part of the iconic mainframe experience is the cold room sounds; for early
On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk
There is no way that I'd wish anyone would have to put up with the 80+
dB "white noise" of fans and vacuum
On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk
wrote:
> On 03/01/2017 11:14 AM, Charles Anthony via cctalk wrote:
>> Part of the iconic mainframe experience is the cold room sounds; for early
>> Multics installations (and other systems) the sound of the Selectric
>> operator's console.
>
>
On 03/01/2017 11:14 AM, Charles Anthony via cctalk wrote:
> Part of the iconic mainframe experience is the cold room sounds; for early
> Multics installations (and other systems) the sound of the Selectric
> operator's console.
There is no way that I'd wish anyone would have to put up with the 80+
Part of the iconic mainframe experience is the cold room sounds; for early
Multics installations (and other systems) the sound of the Selectric
operator's console.
I/O Selectrics are rare, expensive and unreliable.
If some good quality audio clips of a Selectric were available, it should
be possi
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