On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 5:41 PM, Fred Cisin wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Dec 2015, Mike Boyle wrote:
>
>> I would love to have a micro and all of the 70 and 80- 87 Honda Motorcycle
>> parts! The old ATC's Gotta Love em!
>>
>
> Then you should start designing a database to keep track of the parts, and
> th
On Thu, 17 Dec 2015, Mike Boyle wrote:
I would love to have a micro and all of the 70 and 80- 87 Honda Motorcycle
parts! The old ATC's Gotta Love em!
Then you should start designing a database to keep track of the parts, and
the ones that you have.
You will need several boxes of punched cards
On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 12:11 PM, Fred Cisin wrote:
> I've only ever seen them called "12" and "11" for the top and next
rows respectively. For example, the card code listing on the IBM 360
"green card" shows them that way (e.g., A is 12-1).
>>> Same here. But it's not outside th
From: Fred Cisin
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 9:12 AM
> My father claimed that the use of round holes on divergent cards was due
> to an attempt by IBM to patent the shape of the hole in the cards.
http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/ibm100/us/en/icons/punchcard/
Prior to 1928, the holes in I
I've only ever seen them called "12" and "11" for the top and next
rows respectively. For example, the card code listing on the IBM 360
"green card" shows them that way (e.g., A is 12-1).
Same here. But it's not outside the range of possibility that *someone*
called them X and Y, although I don
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> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Chuck
> Guzis
> Sent: 15 December 2015 05:37
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> Subject: Re: Display-less computing
>
> On 12/14/2015 06:05 PM, Pau
On 12/14/2015 06:05 PM, Paul Koning wrote:
I've only ever seen them called "12" and "11" for the top and next
rows respectively. For example, the card code listing on the IBM 360
"green card" shows them that way (e.g., A is 12-1).
Same here. But it's not outside the range of possibility that
> On Dec 14, 2015, at 2:46 PM, Mike wrote:
>
> ...
>>
>> At
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punched_card#/media/File:Blue-punch-card-front-horiz.png
>> is a picture of a card. It was punched with a printing punch, or run
>> through a 029 series interpreter punch, NOT with an INTERPRETER, whi
On Dec 13, 2015, at 1:20 PM, Fred Cisin wrote:
>> > So did you have to learn how to read the punch hole cards also or did
>> > the punch hole cards go into the computer and than printed out the
>> > data on the fan fold paper also was it in code or just plane English?
>> You COULD read the ho
On 12/14/2015 11:17 AM, Charlie Carothers wrote:
On 12/12/2015 6:11 PM, Eric Christopherson wrote:
On Sat, Dec 12, 2015, Mike wrote:
The one question I do have for the older gentlemen on here is what
in the world did the computers without a screen to look at do? Now I
know about the tape, cass
On 12/13/2015 2:44 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
I've heard from a couple of CEs that the loathing for the 557 was legend.
Legend has it that someone once turned in a suggestion form at IBM
saying that the Cardatype(sp?) plant should be bombed with 557s. :-)
Charlie C.
And while you were there w
On 12/13/2015 12:10 PM, Christian Gauger-Cosgrove wrote:
CCTV readers. They're still a thing. The tests and exams centre at
my university has a bunch of them (one each per exam room, and a
bunch of old analogue ones still sitting about). I find the older
analogue ones are better than the newer d
we have a portable braille terminal in the museum's accessibility
collection .
we also have a vast ( and always looking for more) of the Deaf and Hard
of Hearing teletype machines
and couplers. Ed@ _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org)
I'll add that very few (if any) high-speed card punches interpreted
(i.e. printed the characters corresponding to the punches) their output.
Many punches could offset (displace slightly from the stack)
individual cards, so it was customary to punch a "lace card" so offset
between punch job out
On 13 December 2015 at 13:46, Chuck Guzis wrote:
> At CDC Sunnyvale ops back in the 1970s, we had a blind programmer working.
> His job output came as punched cards and he had no problem reading them by
> feel. I remember him and his beautiful guide dog.
>
Hmm, that kinda makes sense. It would be
> So did you have to learn how to read the punch hole cards also or did
> the punch hole cards go into the computer and than printed out the
> data on the fan fold paper also was it in code or just plane English?
You COULD read the holes, if you really HAD to. Keypunches printed
the alphanumeric
On Sun, Dec 13, 2015, couryho...@aol.com wrote:
>
> Does an example of the IBM/ TV/SET terminal exist out there? Manual?
> Ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org)
Here are some manuals (someone else tipped me off to these):
http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/ibm/2260/
--
For many years, I kept around a plug-board labelled "COBOL INTERPRETER",
just to prove that a COBOL interpreter was possible :-)
On 12/12/2015 06:13 PM, Eric Christopherson wrote:
Are you using "interpreter" in two senses here, or just one? That is to
say, I'm not sure if you're saying the "CO
At CDC Sunnyvale ops back in the 1970s, we had a blind programmer
working. His job output came as punched cards and he had no problem
reading them by feel. I remember him and his beautiful guide dog.
In the same sort of spirit, I recall that one of the secretaries used a
monitor-cum-camera a
Does an example of the IBM/ TV/SET terminal exist out there? Manual?
Ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org)
On 12/12/2015 11:06 AM, Jon Elson wrote:
> On 12/12/2015 08:18 AM, tulsamike3...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> So did you have to learn how to read the punch hole cards also or did
>> the punch hole cards go into the computer and than printed out the
>> data on the fan fold paper also was it in code or
On 12/12/2015 06:13 PM, Eric Christopherson wrote:
On Sat, Dec 12, 2015, Fred Cisin wrote:
you could feed the cards through an INTERPRETER, which printed the card
content on the card.
[snip]
For many years, I kept around a plug-board labelled "COBOL INTERPRETER",
just to prove that a COBOL int
On 12/12/2015 11:17 AM, William Donzelli wrote:
Sometime later, maybe around 1971 they got some IBM 2741 terminals which
were Selectric typewriters connected to an interface. Later they got some
IBM 2260's, which were Zenith 9" TV sets and a keyboard connected to an
interface box in the machine
On Sat, Dec 12, 2015, Fred Cisin wrote:
> For many years, I kept around a plug-board labelled "COBOL INTERPRETER",
> just to prove that a COBOL interpreter was possible :-)
>
> notice the "emoticon" at the end of my original post. I was trying to
> convey knowledge of the misinterpretatio
On 2015-Dec-12, at 4:15 PM, Eric Christopherson wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 12, 2015, Robert Rissell wrote:
>> The batch job consisted of a Batch Number for accounting, the keyword-coded
>> header card(s) to tell the computer what to do with the following cards
>> such as Compile, Link, Execute then Outpu
For many years, I kept around a plug-board labelled "COBOL INTERPRETER",
just to prove that a COBOL interpreter was possible :-)
notice the "emoticon" at the end of my original post. I was trying to
convey knowledge of the misinterpretation, and the humor of it.
On Sat, 12 Dec 2015, Charles
On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 4:45 PM, Fred Cisin wrote:
> you could feed the cards through an INTERPRETER, which printed the card
>>> content on the card.
>>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>> For many years, I kept around a plug-board labelled "COBOL INTERPRETER",
>>> just to prove that a COBOL interpreter was possib
you could feed the cards through an INTERPRETER, which printed the card
content on the card.
[snip]
For many years, I kept around a plug-board labelled "COBOL INTERPRETER",
just to prove that a COBOL interpreter was possible :-)
On Sat, 12 Dec 2015, Eric Christopherson wrote:
Are you using "i
On Sat, Dec 12, 2015, Robert Rissell wrote:
> The batch job consisted of a Batch Number for accounting, the keyword-coded
> header card(s) to tell the computer what to do with the following cards
> such as Compile, Link, Execute then Output for a Fortran source.
[snip]
> Following the source you wo
On Sat, Dec 12, 2015, Fred Cisin wrote:
> you could feed the cards through an INTERPRETER, which printed the card
> content on the card.
[snip]
> For many years, I kept around a plug-board labelled "COBOL INTERPRETER",
> just to prove that a COBOL interpreter was possible :-)
Are you using "interp
> On Dec 12, 2015, at 4:26 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
>
> On 12/12/2015 11:17 AM, William Donzelli wrote:
>>> Sometime later, maybe around 1971 they got some IBM 2741 terminals which
>>> were Selectric typewriters connected to an interface. Later they got some
>>> IBM 2260's, which were Zenith 9" TV
On 12/12/2015 11:17 AM, William Donzelli wrote:
Sometime later, maybe around 1971 they got some IBM 2741 terminals which
were Selectric typewriters connected to an interface. Later they got some
IBM 2260's, which were Zenith 9" TV sets and a keyboard connected to an
interface box in the machine
Until the advent of "personal" computers, a computer generally did not
have a screen. If you were doing stuff for which a creen would be useful,
you used a "peripheral" device, called a "terminal".
> Sometime later, maybe around 1971 they got some IBM 2741 terminals which
> were Selectric typewriters connected to an interface. Later they got some
> IBM 2260's, which were Zenith 9" TV sets and a keyboard connected to an
> interface box in the machine room. Very primitive, but very interactiv
On Sat, 12 Dec 2015, tulsamike3...@gmail.com wrote:
So did you have to learn how to read the punch hole cards also or did
the punch hole cards go into the computer and than printed out the data
on the fan fold paper also was it in code or just plane English?
Yes.
If you dealt with the cards l
On 12/12/2015 08:18 AM, tulsamike3...@gmail.com wrote:
So did you have to learn how to read the punch hole cards also or did the punch
hole cards go into the computer and than printed out the data on the fan fold
paper also was it in code or just plane English?
You COULD read the holes, if you
Mike,
One of the key manners of getting information processed was batch jobs run
by the computer staff.You never see the computer at all.
Individual programs (usually one at a time - using the whole machine for
one program) were loaded, pointed at input files, run and then unloaded
with the
o
> On Dec 12, 2015, at 7:49 AM, Nico de Jong wrote:
>
>
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> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2015 2:22 PM
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>> The one question I do have for the old
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> The one question I do have for the older gentlemen on here is what in the
> world did the computers without a scr
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