CPUs that they wrote basic for until PCs could actually start
> hosting dev environments (many years later).
A friend of mine, M$ employee no. 11, was one of the developers of the other
macro packages for different micro acrchitectures.
ding in the 5th.
Someone familiar with the TENEX file system (i. e., TOPS-20 lite) should be
able to decipher the block headers easily enough. There's at least one of us
on the list.
Rich
...still programming PDP-10 systems for money in the 21st Century...
minicomputer from the same company. The two systems have
nothing in common besides the naming convention.
Rich
onverter which took
in 60VAC and output 400VAC, because that was the least expensive thing we could
do.
> Of course, you can't just contact contact the LCM anymore.
> Was it Rich Alderson from, or formerly, on the list who used to work at LCM?
Used to work
Woohoo!
Rich Alderson
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 4, 2024, at 11:00, Bruce Ray via cctalk wrote:
>
> A Data General MV/8000 emulator beta release is now available from my DG
> legacy preservation web site:
>
> www.NovasAreForever.org
>
>
> The MV/8000 emulato
o lie to me.)
Micro-soft incorporated in June/July 1975, so six months after they wrote their
first 8080 machine code, so Dave is wrong about "long before Microsoft".
And Sellam is simply wrong.
Rich
e United States Atomic Energy Commission was superseded by the Nuclear
Regulatory Commission in the 1970s. The Department of Energy is not the same
thing at all.
Rich
.
Rich
replacement. You seem to have found/acquired the exact monitor that I have
been looking for!
Would you care to sell the monitor, and keyboard too, to me? I would be most
appreciative. It would certainly find welcome home, back with one of its
original designers.
Best regards,
Rich Jones
tem called TSS-8. It was
created by the engineers who built the PDP-10, because they wanted small system
users to have access to the cool features of that mainframe. (I was told this
by one of the designers of the PDP-10, Bob Clements, who also worked on TSS-8).
Rich
ild after the System/360 announcement, which came 3 weeks after
the DEC announcement of the PDP-6, also a mainframe).
Rich
GPT has concluded that the PDP-11 was a 36 bit system, then it's even
stupider than the mainstream press has made it sound.
Rich
I am downsizing. These have been in storage for quite some time.
I am about 25 miles N of Boston, MA and S of Nashua NH. These are both
extremely heavy so no interest in shipping.
Unfortunately I do not have any software for either system.
The I is fairly clean and the kb is effectively new-old-
> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2022 21:50:42 -0700
> From: Sellam Abraham via cctalk
> I'm hoping Rich Alderson will pipe in and give us the actual story as to
> what's going on with the LCM and its collection, but there's a possibility
> that he may be legally constricted fr
suddenly; that placed things into limbo because the
transition was incomplete, and the estate could not do things that he could
have done in person.
That's as much as I know.
Rich Alderson
P. S. After the layoff, I looked for
de he demo'd at MITS, but backups of the
development sources, so he had to fix some known bugs.
Rich
We actually had two G-15s; Keith worked on getting the second into running
condition as well.
Rich
the CDC deadstart switch or IBM IPL button, and a way to enter the address
of the I/O device from which to boot on the control panel beneath the large
array of blinking lights.
Rich
[1] For completeness: the KA-10 is used in the PDP-10/30,
ay. Put it on your LAN, hook your dumb
terminal to it, and Robert's your male parental sibling.
Rich
> Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2022 14:44:00 -0800
> From: Van Snyder via cctalk
> On Tue, 2022-01-04 at 17:17 -0500, Rich Alderson via cctalk wrote:
>> Paul Allen wanted me to acquire a VAX-11/780 for his
>> collection
> John Zabolitzky has an operating VAX -- I don't
t Living Computers: Museum + Labs (the eventual name of the place after the
modern exhibit space on the first floor was built).
So it's possible to power a 780 or 785 without a power supply rebuild if you
simply have the right (industrial) breaker panel in your building...
Happy New Year, everybody!
Rich
...and a joyful Winter Solstice Festivalof your choosing to you all!
Rich
by XKL. Tim Litt was responsible for this
donation, probably to keep ev erything from simply being binned by the HP folks.
> Rich Alderson might be the resident expert for this set of questions.
Quite likely. ;->
> two questions are thus prompted, and a third teased.
> 1. Does that XKL
emory, Bruce had to spec out a
plexiglass box into which he inserted a small memory card, in order to keep the
proper airflow characteristics in the memory bays.
Bruce's business card at LCM listed his title as "Technomancer".
Rich
gs have not degenerated since then.
Rich
Z way back in the early days. (I rebuilt the RM03 power supplies and
replaced the HEPA filters on them while Keith was working on the first MDE.)
We also sent one to Michael Thompson to repay him for lending us some hardware
back in the early days.
Well, they started with the PDP-10 ZORK, and used PDP-10 (architecture) systems
to develop many of the others...
Rich Alderson
ex-Living Computers: Museum + Labs
http://www.panix.com/~alderson/
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jul 23, 2020, at 10:26, Lars Brinkhoff via cctalk
> wrote:
>
ily, management never discovered who introduced the game
> in the first place...
>
> So yes, Adventure/Colossal Cave did run on an honest big mainframe.
>
> I never played the game much myself, as I had access to the source, so I
> knew the innards of the game.
>
> -
n source
files for languages which do not allow it, the line numbers are ASCII
strings with bit 35 set, and the monitor (=kernel=operating system) strips
them out before handing them to compilers' input streams.
Rich
Rich Alderso
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 09:46:53AM -0500, John Foust via cctalk wrote:
>
> I'm most puzzled by the eager hosting volunteers who'd volunteer even before
> they have a full understanding of the job. Wouldn't you want to know
> how much time it might take you to administer the list, how much
> band
I'd be happy to host the list at firemountain.net, where a Mailman 2.X
instance has been happily running a few dozen public and private lists for
15-ish years (majordomo before that) (homebrew scripts before that).
No charge, no ads.
If the archives are available in mbox format (or something tha
Just to make sure everyone knows that we haven't lost our minds:
Nothing is going in the skip/dumpster/e-waste recycling bin. It's a long
pause, that's all.
Rich Alderson
ex-Sr. Systems Engineer/Curator emeritus
Living Computers: Museum + Labs
2245 1st Ave S
Seattle, WA 98
ce that is moderator-approved.
Thank you all for your interest in and support for Living Computers: Museum +
Labs, and our previous incarnations. It means a great deal to us as we wind
down the current implementation.
R
he people able to tell them
> whilst they’re still willing to tell them?
Another good example of such a web site is Multicians.ORG, especially
the pages starting at https://www.multicians.org/multics-stories.html
Rich
Rich Alders
badly ported Unix program, you ought to learn to build
TOPS-20 control files and do your compiles that way.
Just my $0.02.
Rich
From: Richard Schauer
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2019 7:08 AM
On Sat, 2 Nov 2019, Rich Alderson via cctalk wrote:
>> What tool do I use to look at the contents of this verschlagener file?
> I also asked for and got one of these files. Mine took something like 30
> hours, and g
ts of this verschlagener file?
Thanks,
Rich
Rich Alderson
Sr. Systems Engineer
Living Computers: Museum + Labs
2245 1st Ave S
Seattle, WA 98134
http://www.LivingComputers.org/
> Quit splitting hairs, folks.
New to this list, are you?
Rich
a desk. Coursewriter II and APL\1500 for the
educational software, FORTRAN II and assembler for background tasks.
Rich
ister" as is so often
misstated.
Rich
NB: Information from a talk given on the history of Lisp by Herbert Stoyan at
the 1984 ACM Conference on Lisp and Functional Programming Languages, and later
verified by personal inspection of the code.
ave one: the MIT MC KL10 had a couple of
> RP04's; when it was taken away to Scandanavia, they might have gone with it.
> I think that machine is now at LCM?
Yes, and having the RP04 manual scanned would probably be long term helpful.
boy cabinet.
Rich
Rich Alderson
Sr. Systems Engineer
Living Computers: Museum + Labs
2245 1st Ave S
Seattle, WA 98134
http://www.LivingComputers.org/
is would not stand for it.
Prior to 1909, for I forget how long and I'm not going to look it up, the
obverse of the penny had an image of an "Indian" head--which was actually the
image of the sculptor's daughter wearing a feather headdress.
OB vious: Someone was an avid coin collector as a kid.
Rich
loader and standalone basic?
I don't need originals, so if anyone has a punch and is willing to punch
them for me, that would be great! I'd be happy to pay whatever is
reasonable. If you have any other PDP-11 tapes too, that would be helpful.
Thanks.
Rich
chassis at LCM+L make up the 550 DECtape
control for the 555 DECtape drives. The controller was common to the PDP-7 and
the earlier PDP-4 (which was of course all System Modules). They appear in
exactly one place in the entire system.
build it, it was re-named 'Ethernet' (as Al's memo
> search seems to indicate).
Of course, the very first baseband cable network at PARC was 1 megabit/second;
It may be that that is what got an Aloha name. But that's *my* guess.
, 0427 10 20 60.
Australian Computer Museum Society Inc.
PO Box 4005, Homebush, NSW, 2140.
Rich
Rich Alderson
Vintage Computing Sr. Systems Engineer
Living Co
uilding, and
LOTS Two in the old bowling alley at Tresidder Union) were wired this way.
I learned to use a punchdown tool my first day on the job.
Rich
Rich Alderson
Vint
number "225" in any manual since
starting the project which became the museum 15 years ago (sob!), but it still
hangs around in my mind and pings whenever I see "200BPI" mentioned.
Anyone else ever encounter that?
of RSX-11/A, which was a port to the newer
architecture.
Rich
Rich Alderson
Vintage Computing Sr. Systems Engineer
Living Computers: Museum + Labs
2245 1st Avenue S
Seattle, WA 98134
mailto:ri...@livingcomputers.
other story.)
Rich
Rich Alderson
Vintage Computing Sr. Systems Engineer
Living Computers: Museum + Labs
2245 1st Avenue S
Seattle, WA 98134
mailto:ri...@livingcomputers.org
http://www.LivingComputers.org/
g to the ARPANET when I was a kid
>> that I was rather pleased with. Unfortunately, I seem to have lost
>> it in a disk crash (actually a couple of disks, primaries and
>> backups).
> This one?
It would be amusing to see the headers from the message, too.
Rich
had no way to test in-house, and limited cycles for developing a fix. If we
ever need to recompile diagnostics for the KI-10 (or, mirabile dictu, a KA-10!)
we'll use a Toad-2.
Rich
ead. Since we compiled the KI-10 diagnostics on the Toad-1, this
incorrect result was placed on the diagnostic paper tape, and the KI-10 seemed
to fail the diagnostic. Imagine our chagrin when days of trying to correct the
problem led to the conclusion that the diagnostic was incorrect.
peripheral.
Rich
[1] Although there is a KA-10 in the works.
lso the method used by the KLH10 emulator (KS-10, KS-10/ITS microcode, KL-10).
There, each device type runs in a separate fork, using System V style memory
mapping. This of course means that it only runs under certain Unix variants.
Rich
on the KL-10 and later on the
Toad-1. I'm going to disagree with the history Al posted, because Dick himself
told me the story.
He also ported Perl 4 and the GNU utilities and Emacs to TOPS-20.
Rich
Rich Alderson
Vintage Comput
e data conversion using
a tool such as (GNU) dd.
Rich
Rich Alderson
Vintage Computing Sr. Systems Engineer
Living Computers: Museum + Labs
2245 1st Avenue S
Seattle, WA 98134
mailto:ri...@livingcomputers.org
http://www.LivingComputers.org/
SAILDART.org (Bruce Baumgart's site), and will be visible on our WAITS
system once we have IP networking going.
Rich
Rich Alderson
Vintage Computing Sr. Systems Engineer
Living Computers: Museum + Labs
2245 1st Avenue S
Seattle, WA 98134
mailto:ri...@livingcomputers.org
http://www.LivingComputers.org/
://github.com/livingcomputermuseum/MBS
https://github.com/livingcomputermuseum/UPELIB
These are released under a very liberal license which will allow for
free use of the MDE by any interested party.
Happy Dec-10 Day!
Rich
t want to point out that there were other ways to accomplish some really
interesting hacks.
Rich
[1] My first use of a minicomputer (a PDP-11 of small size, running RT-11) came
in grad school, 10 years after I first started programmi
rd, there will be a 120
ohm resistor in series with a diode to ground on it. If it does go
somewhere internal to the card, they will leave off the resistor/diode, as
the load will provide it.
Hope that helps.
Rich
Ri
From: Al Kossow
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 9:04 AM
> On 10/25/17 11:55 AM, Rich Alderson via cctalk wrote:
>> Noel, do have a reference for "some commercial time-sharing system in the
>> Boston area"? From Paul Allen's autobiography, the Harvard system was
&g
what my friends who worked for Micro-soft
back then have told me, as well.
Rich
Rich Alderson
Vintage Computing Sr. Systems Engineer
Living Computers: Museum + Labs
2245 1st Avenue S
Seattle, WA 98134
mailto:ri...@livingcomputers.org
http://www.LivingComputers.org/
convention.
> I can recall conversations about SASI vs. Apple SCSI.
And like Fred, I don't believe that it does any such thing.
Rich
Rich Alderson
Sr. Systems Engineer
Living Computers: Museum + Labs
2245 1st Ave S
Seattle, WA 98134
http://www.LivingComputers.org/
in 2003, I wrote all my reports in LaTeX and created documents with
pdflatex, which I consider a gift from the gods.
Rich
ally. An OEM'd BP1500 from Data Products. The LP20 lives in the
front end of the 2065 running Tops-10 v7.04.
We have other big printers on other big iron, of course.
Rich
Rich Alderson
Vintage Computing Sr. Systems Engineer
Li
his archive, and Al is
correct to point this out.
Rich
Rich Alderson
Vintage Computing Sr. Systems Engineer
Living Computers: Museum + Labs
2245 1st Avenue S
Seattle, WA 98134
mailto:ri...@livingcomputers.org
http://www.LivingComputers.org/
ocessors (front ends are loaded from the main processor, not
from their own peripherals). ITS on the KL-10 is like WAITS, AFAIK: DECtape,
not floppies. I can't speak to the CI$ monitor or Tymcom-X.
Rich
Rich Alderson
Vintage Co
t; scoured the Internet for something that might read them.
Stop there.
8" floppies on a VAX are more likely to be an RT-11 file system for the front
end PDP-11/03 than anything else you can think of.
The rest is left as an exercise for the reader.
it comes out to almost 60 DVD's.
> I remember a PDQ Bach radio quiz show where the prize was The Wagner Ring
> Cycle on convenient 45 RPM records.
I would suggest using Blue-Ray media, at 25GB or 50GB per disk. We're then
down to 6 or 11 platters.
ed to teach programming in 1969? And
on the systems at HP where a young technician was working in 1975?
It's pretty much all down to my boss and his friend, and that guy from the
Bay Area.
Rich
Rich Alderson
Vintage Computing Sr. Systems
Valley, after all, and lots of business travel
ends up in these places.
You're at the height of the tourist season, too. The place I stayed last
weekend in Milpitas for $130/night is $260 for your travel dates.
Sorry for not being terribly helpful.
a decimal computer, before moving on to
PL/1 and COBOL (and FORTRAN) on the System/360.
FORTRAN was, and still is, widespread, even if it doesn't look anything like
itself these days.
Rich
Rich Alderson
Vintage Computing Sr. Sys
l (even if it does not appear so from
time to time).
Having managed multiple mailing lists over the decades, I applaud your efforts
to keep this a vibrant, civil place to discuss broadly our mutual interests.
Best regards,
From: Chuck Guzis
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2017 11:27 AM
> On 03/17/2017 11:09 AM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
>> and, although we don't know when YOU were playing it, the march had
>> been around half a century, so was probably playing on the radio to
>> inspire Backus. Does that mean that Dan.
. It used to be,
of course, that in order to reply privately, I had to hit a Reply button and
edit the resulting To: header manually; I still will have to, but now it's to
remove something rather than substitute it.
Sorry for the noise.
Rich
nscious choice, or a configurable with a different default setting
in a new mail system than was previously in place? However it came to be, it
greatly diminishes communications quality (IMAO).
Rich Alderson
Vintage Computing Sr. Systems Engineer
Living Computers: Museum + Labs
2245 1st Avenue
From: william degnan
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 8:16 AM
> On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
>> Grace Hopper (if you've ever followed CODASYL or the COBOL language was
>> a very sharp lady who's long had my admiration. Kudos to Yale!
>> http://news.yale.edu/2017/02/11/y
in my
office.
Rich Cini
Sent from my iPad
> On Jan 12, 2017, at 8:55 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
>
> Well, in 1986, I paid something like $6700 for a KA630-AA (UVax-II CPU board).
> I got an Andromeda disk controller (MFM hard disk + floppy) and ran pirated
> VMS off a 40 MB drive.
From: Lars Brinkhoff
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 10:53 PM
> Rich Alderson wrote:
>> Eric's got a KL. If he had a KA, I would have tracked him down and
>> beaten him to a pulp to lay hands on it--and we're friends.
> This is the third time in a few weeks t
s part of expanding from a single floor of our three-story building
onto the 1st (ground) floor, where we have educational labs, exhibits on
modern developments from the vintage machines on the 2nd, a real gift shop
and book store, and a small cantina.
pears in the famous picture) and others
like David Bunnell at our grand opening.
Rich
Rich Alderson
Vintage Computing Sr. Systems Engineer
Living Computers: Museum + Labs
2245 1st Avenue S
Seattle, WA 98134
mailto:ri...@livingcomputers.org
http://www.LivingComputers.org/
XKLeTen.PaulAllen.com changed names a long time ago.
Your account can be found on Toad-1.LivingComputerMuseum.org, and the PDF
is in DOC:.
Rich
-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Seth Morabito
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 9:54 AM
To
10/PDP-6 to a KL-10/KA-10/166, then shrank to a KL-10/KA-10 down to
a KL-10 only). The KL-10 had TU-78 drives on an RH20.
AIUI, the older backup tapes were refrangled onto new 9-track media before
the KA-10 and its drives were retired.
From: Eric Smith
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 6:38 PM
> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 12:47 PM, Rich Alderson
> wrote:
>> [1] For non-PDP10 programmers: The original architecture of the PDP-6
>> and PDP-10 used an 18-bit (256KW) address space. The KI-10
>> proces
From: Phil Budne
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2016 10:44 AM
> Rich Alderson wrote:
>> There are also Two-Word Global Byte Pointers (which I've never seen
>> abbreviated) which carry the standard "any size byte at any position"
> Maybe they were just Global
From: Chuck Guzis
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 10:43 PM
> On 12/07/2016 12:46 PM, Rich Alderson wrote:
>> Neither of those is entirely accurate. 9-track tapes on the PDP-10
>> used one of the following encodings:
> The last time that I had to deal with PDP-10 tapes,
eim
(so 1988, I think). After his talk, a couple of us suggested that he try adding
the MIT TECO features to his program, and he said he'd give it a try. I don't
know what ever came of that.
Rich
Rich Alderson
Sr. Systems Engineer
Living Computers: Museum + Labs
2245 1st Ave S
Seattle,
ing up the
2nd word.
I've been dealing with PDP-10 tapes for 40 years now.
Rich
Rich Alderson
Vintage Computing Sr. Systems Engineer
Living Computer Museum
2245 1st Avenue S
Seattle, WA 98134
mailto:ri...@livingcomputermuseum.org
http://www.LivingComputerMuseum.org/
emacs sucks!
> *waits patiently*
Well, sure, if you load the suckit.el library, but that's optional. It's
faster if you load the compiled suckit.elc instead.
I prefer the compiled TECO variant BITEME.:EJ, of course!
;-)
eight, and capabilities.
Your Intellec 230 would fit inside one memory cabinet of a PDP-10 with
room to spare. The entire PDP-10 system weighs tons.
Rich
Rich Alderson
Sr. Systems Engineer
Living Computers: Museum + Labs
2245 1st
application design.
Later members of each family were designated by suffixes (e.g. 8/i, 8/e, 8/A
and 11/40, 11/70, etc.) or newer names (DECsystem-10, DECSYSTEM-20). The VAX
was the first new architecture from DEC not to have a PDP-n designation at all.
What are you saying?
Rich
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Vintage Computing Sr. Systems Engineer
Living Computers: Museum + Labs
2245 1st Avenue S
Seattle, WA 98134
mailto:ri...@livingcomputers.org
http://www.LivingComputers.org/
gelbart, not Telefunken, and it spread to Lisp Machines, Lisa and Macintosh
computers, and beyond, from there.
Rich
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Sr. Systems Engineer
Living Computers: Museum + Labs
2245 1st Ave S
Seattle, WA 98134
Cell: (206) 465-2916
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Funniest thing is that we were having a Lisp programming discussion at the
museum just this morning, entirely unrelated to this ClassicCmp thread!
Rich
Rich Alderson
Vintage Computing Sr. Systems Engineer
Living Computers: Museum + Labs
olved in
water. The word _filterable_ was dropped at some point in the literature, then
electron microscopes came along which *could* resolve viruses, and we come into
the modern world.
More than you ever wanted to know, I'm sure.
From: Noel Chiappa
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 8:49 AM
>> From: Rich Alderson
>> Yes, the d/r card is strictly level conversion, and the microcode in
>> the Xilinx does all the Massbus protocol.
> So if you don't mind continuing to indulge my curiousity (thanks f
a lot more
than that.
Rich
Rich Alderson
Vintage Computing Sr. Systems Engineer
Living Computer Museum
2245 1st Avenue S
Seattle, WA 98134
mailto:ri...@livingcomputermuseum.org
http://www.LivingComputerMuseum.org/
From: Noel Chiappa
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 11:51 AM
>> From: Rich Alderson
>> Data was transferred via FTP over a 100baseT crossover cable connected
>> to a Slackware server; the Rabbit was able to keep up with 4 drives at
>> this speed
> Were the bits actua
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