Re: Still Looking For AT&T 3B2 Internals Docs

On 03/ 6/17 05:24 PM, Seth Morabito via cctalk wrote: * On Mon, Mar 06, 2017 at 03:54:17PM -0600, Jerry Kemp via cctalk wrote: Very interesting. I didn't start wearing a Unix hat till 1989-1990 time period. Aside from the ATT 3B2, my only other exposure to SysVR3 Unix was thru B

Re: Still Looking For AT&T 3B2 Internals Docs

ur request enough, I had though you were needing specific hardware and CPU information. Did not realize that there were software/SysVR3 questions you were still asking. Again, wishing you good luck in acquiring the data that you need to move forward. Jerry Kemp On 03/ 6/17 01:06 PM, Seth Mo

Re: Still Looking For AT&T 3B2 Internals Docs

Hello Seth, Fingers crossed that you already have what you need. Given the possibility that you don't, my comment here is that your request for internal documents are somewhat vague. Can you be somewhat more specifics? The reason specifically I'm asking, is I was reviewing an old Unix book/d

Re: Sparcbook 3TX Hard Drive?

However it plays out for you, thanks for sharing with the group. I always wanted a SPARCbook, never could afford one at the time, and according to the wife, now would not be a good time to acquire one according to the wife after just picking up a SPARCserver 1000e + 3 large SPARCarray's. Livi

Re: Sparcbook 3TX Hard Drive?

Hello Ben, Sorry I can not assist you directly. I believe that many people in your situation, and similar, are successfully using the SCSI2SD adapter Hope that there is something here that helps. Jerry On 02/27/17 07:41 PM, Ben S

Re: Sun E10000 Historical Enquiry

then HP purchases SGI Reference: Jerry On 02/23/17 02:19 AM, Pontus Pihlgren wrote: On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 08:05:04PM -0700, Robert Ollerton wrote: Celerity Computing 6000 (multi processor scalar and vector;; San Diego,

Re: need (physical) key for Sun SPARCserver 1000e

Absolutely. This list isn't the only media I have made the request for a physical key on. Although I don't feel that rare is the correct term for this system, I believe that even in their day, SPARCServer 1000's (and 2000's) weren't necessarily common commodities. There were (3) total Sun4d m

Re: need (physical) key for Sun SPARCserver 1000e

Hello Fred, Thank you for the post. This is really a chicken vs egg issue here. Apparently, no one right now has a copy of this key. No one seems to even have a picture of the key. There have been a couple of pictures + eBay sales shared that show, what I would call newer keys. I label them

Re: AT&T 3B2 UNIX System V User Reference Manual for sale

Seth, Is this something you might need/want that could assist you moving forward with your 3b2 emulation project? Jerry On 02/13/17 02:43 PM, Jack Bader wrote: AT&T 3B2 Computer UNIX System V User Reference Manual Original red hardcover, 3-ring binder, 9"x9"x2" Published July 1985 Exc

Re: need (physical) key for Sun SPARCserver 1000e

its a legitimate justification to purchase one of those lock pick sets I see on the Internet. :) Jerry On 02/ 8/17 11:57 PM, Yvan Janssens wrote: On a misc side note, you might be able to change it with a set of picks/paper clip. Your mileage may vary though. On Thu, 9 Feb 2017 at 05:44, Jerry

Re: need (physical) key for Sun SPARCserver 1000e

Just a little more info. I was informed that the key I need is part #330-1651 . This key was shared by the SS1000, SC2000, StorEdge L1000, StorEdge L140, StorEdge L400, SPARCstorage Library Model 8/400, 8/140, and possibly other hardware of that vintage. Thanks for looking, Jerry On 02/ 8

Re: need (physical) key for Sun SPARCserver 1000e

mware. The SPARCserver 1000/1000e is a 1992 vintage computer. Jerry bill From: cctalk [cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] on behalf of Jerry Kemp [ot...@oryx.us] Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 7:06 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic

need (physical) key for Sun SPARCserver 1000e

Its literally Christmas for me today. I came into physical position of a well optioned-out SPARCserver 1000e, accompanied by several SPARC Storage Arrays. I'm doing a physical review of the 1000e, i.e. re-seating boards, physical clean up, etc. And reviewing all the appropriate hardware docu

WTB - SPARCserver 1000

Looking for a SPARCserver 1000 or 1000e. Working or not. Top pic here: I'm located north of Dallas - 75077 Local preferred if possible. TIA, Jerry

Re: What's the rarest or most unusual computer-related item do you own?

Wow, that must have taken a lot of will power to give that up. If I had it, I'm not sure I could have done that. It's none of my business, but..fingers crossed.that your 3b2 stuff made it to Seth Morabito, the gentleman who is working on the 3b2 emulator project and is in need of hard

Re: Manuaal for the original Sun Workstation

any chance that it could be scanned, then shared that way? Thanks, Jerry On 10/12/16 08:28 PM, Richard Loken wrote: I received seven requests for the Sun Workstation manual. I guess I will draw a name from a hat or something...

Re: Gaming on old systems (was Re: Twiggys [was: Re: ka... ching!])

rk-users/200802/msg00205.html> <> On 10/12/16 11:55 AM, Jerry Kemp wrote: This discussion is stirring up so many old memories. I distinctively recall, back at the time that this was relevant, that the (DOS) network game play was disrupting/saturating networks, because, if I recall the art

Re: Gaming on old systems (was Re: Twiggys [was: Re: ka... ching!])

This discussion is stirring up so many old memories. I distinctively recall, back at the time that this was relevant, that the (DOS) network game play was disrupting/saturating networks, because, if I recall the article correctly, the game was communicating with other nodes using broadcast pac

Re: Gaming on old systems (was Re: Twiggys [

For anyone interested in exploring some of this stuff further, I (first) found lots of dead links, but came up with this one with binaries for Sun, SGI and the original NeXT format. I still have a SparcStation 10 + a Leo/ZX frame buffer that I spent a lot of

Any updates on the 3b2 emulator?

Hello Seth, Its been a few months, and I am wondering if the 3b2 emulator project is still moving forward, or put on the back burner for now? Thanks for any updates, Jerry

Re: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))

Banyan Vines - did LOTS of Banyan stuff from the military. Thousands of end users. Great stuff, but Banyan had no more product marketing skills than IBM did with OS/2. The Banyan NOS stuff ran on top of a SysV Release III Unix if I remember correctly. Its been a while. ARCnet - saw some of

Re: 50 yrs. of Star Trek!

On 09/ 8/16 07:05 PM, TeoZ wrote: They never really show acceleration and deceleration onboard a spaceship affecting the crew so why bother with seat belts (that would be a pain for the actors to use)? Besides what good would they do if you actually hit something large in space at the speed of

Re: 50 yrs. of Star Trek!

On 09/ 8/16 07:14 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: On Thu, 8 Sep 2016, TeoZ wrote: They never really show acceleration and deceleration onboard a spaceship affecting the crew so why bother with seat belts (that would be a pain for the actors to use)? Besides what good would they do if you actually hit so

Re: 50 yrs. of Star Trek!

On 09/ 8/16 06:07 PM, Ali wrote: Star Trek:TNG brought us our first view of Apple iPads. Jerry Except of course in the 24th century the concept of storing more than one piece of data on the same pad did not exist. So each report had to be on a separate pad. And of course data could be transf

Re: 50 yrs. of Star Trek!

Star Trek:TNG brought us our first view of Apple iPads. Jerry On 09/ 8/16 12:03 PM, Murray McCullough wrote: What role did Star Trek play in the rise of small computers that are so ubiquitous today? This science fiction series prognosticated many things but how many actually happened or am I e

Re: X server for original PC (8088/8086)

similar story, many lifetimes ago in the mid 1990's (1994-1996). I was supporting a small ISP in a (US side) border town with T1 Internet connectivity. I was dialing in to provide remote support using an HP Vectra running Solaris 2.5 (not 2.5.1 yet :( ) with a US Robotics 28.8 modem. No SSH.

Re: Livingston PortMaster 2e

My experience with Livingston PortMasters was a great experience. PortMasters, Cisco 2511 w/Octopus cables, and lots of US Robotics modems encompassed my early ISP experiences. If I recall correctly, Livingston came up with the RADIUS authentication protocol, and open-sourced it for us all to

Re: Bill Gates: Windows 95 Was 'A High Point'

In a similar, but completely unrelated story, I have an un-opened can of J.R. (Ewing) beer from the "Dallas" TV show from the 1970's. "If you have to ask how much it cost, you probably can't afford it" Maybe one day our paths will cross and we can pop-the-top on our old beer cans. Everything e

Re: Bill Gates: Windows 95 Was 'A High Point'

On 08/ 1/16 09:47 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: I remember BSOD after BSOD when Well, Windoze 3.00 was swamped with UAE ("Unexpected Application Error") One of the design goals of 3.10 was to "eliminate UAEs". Not as hard as it sounds! By 3.10, they were EXPECTED application errors. :) Are you

Re: Bill Gates: Windows 95 Was 'A High Point'

Understood. That was OS/2 2.0 for me, after I had settled into OS/2 1.3 Unix took me longer to warm up to. Jerry On 08/ 1/16 07:29 PM, Brad H wrote: I would call Win 95 a high point also. I lived near Toronto at the time and remember the unfurling of a huge Win 95 banner down one side. T

Re: Bill Gates: Windows 95 Was 'A High Point'

I was not aware all those pins existed. Did they (the pins) serve some special purpose, other than for someone to advertise an Apple product, on their shirt or hat? Jerry On 08/ 1/16 06:25 PM, Cameron Kaiser wrote:

Re: AT&T 3b2, IBM RT, others

Hello Doug, Thanks for the URL, the pictures are great. Sorry if I am missing something here. Are you at a Goodwill, or something similar in Austin? Are these items for sale? Or items to come pick up ASAP before they go to the recyclers? Thanks for clarifying, sorry if you posted this alre

Re: AT&T 3b2, IBM RT, others

Hello Doug, Thanks for the post. I am assuming that this is all stuff that is up for "rescue"? Unless Seth Morabito wants/needs the ATT 3b2, I am very much interested in that equipment. I'm up north. About 30 miles north of Dallas. Jerry Kemp On 07/31/16 12:43 PM, Do

Bill Gates: Windows 95 Was 'A High Point'

Shared secondarily as a discussion item, but presented as a detail from a discussion with another list member as a discussion detail I couldn't find at the moment. This data is not new and dates to 2008.

Re: Building the Ultimate Classic Mac.

I'm not disagreeing with you. I have multiple PPC Mac's and a couple of PowerBooks. I'm set. Apple systems from the past typically had 2 big advantages over windows based systems. * significantly easier to administer, and at least some level of stability over MS code * Apple systems last

Re: Building the Ultimate Classic Mac.

And SheepShaver is an option to run Classic/Mac OS apps on Intel based Mac OS X boxes. Jerry On 07/17/16 02:56 PM, couryho...@aol.com wrote: that is interesting to know the old os can be run under the newer. I am confused on some of the G5 stuff. there is a real early one that has non intel

Re: OSX, OS/2, ECS, and Blue Lion (was Re: NuTek Mac comes)

windows 95 - yea, even bill gates stated that windows 95 was the pinnacle. ease of installation - maybe due to the fact that the bulk, if not all of us here are experienced users, I've never understood the belly-aching concerning installation. Not for DOS/windows, not for OS/2, not for BSD, no

Re: Building the Ultimate Classic Mac.

I went thru this exercise myself a couple of years back. Even kicked off a thread on a Mac email list. I don't/didn't have any experience or background with the Mac on the 68K, so that didn't come into my decision making. I ultimately decided that I didn't need the fastest/biggest/most memor

Re: OSX, OS/2, ECS, and Blue Lion (was Re: NuTek Mac comes)

I guess I am glad that someone getting something positive from windows. I have never viewed it as any more than a virus distribution system with a poorly written GUI front end. Jerry On 07/15/16 12:15 PM, Liam Proven wrote: On 15 July 2016 at 00:39, Jerry Kemp wrote: I still judge OS/2

Re: OSX, OS/2, ECS, and Blue Lion (was Re: NuTek Mac comes)

Thanks for the comments, it's always educational to get the viewpoints and experiences from others, on items that are "shared ground". I didn't mean to come off like an OS/2 fanatic. I started using OS/2 around 1990, early 1991 at the latest, and short of Unix (I wasn't a Unix fanatic at the

Re: NuTek Mac comes

On 07/14/16 12:42 PM, Swift Griggs wrote: Hmm. I didn't run into anyone who was a dyed-in-the-wool Apple fan who wasn't over-the-moon excited about OSX. I thought it was pretty cool, myself. However, on freeware UNIX variants I'm the guy who often just gets sick of having graphics at all (eve

Re: old friend is slimming down the warehouse

Sorry if I missed the reply describing these. What type of terminals were the AT&T terminals? Thanks, Jerry On 06/24/16 01:53 PM, Jerry Kemp wrote: Any more details on those AT&T terminals? I could use an AT&T 605 terminal for the 3b2 I hope to someday acquire, obviousl

Re: old friend is slimming down the warehouse

Any more details on those AT&T terminals? I could use an AT&T 605 terminal for the 3b2 I hope to someday acquire, obviously after Seth gets all he needs. :) Jerry On 06/24/16 12:24 PM, Todd Killingsworth wrote: Seth, cont. ... and be careful what you wish for. I think that he may have

Re: Quadra 660AV what's with the "PowerPC" label?

On 06/15/16 10:08 AM, Liam Proven wrote: On 14 June 2016 at 18:31, Swift Griggs wrote: In Ireland, "gear" means hard drugs, so maybe it's safer! Tempted to try Shoebill... [...] but emulators aren't the same. I like emulators for "helping" with real hardware. Ie.. making disks or disk i

cdrom block size - WAS::::Re: AT&T 3b2 vs SCSI2SD drive replacement

+1 Most early Sun equipment required 512 block size also. Not that I am casting doubt, but I am unaware of anything that required 2048 block size for optical devices. If you have a workstation or server that required 2048 block size for optical media, please share! That is the great thing

Acard - WAS::Re: AT&T 3b2 vs SCSI2SD drive replacement

Thanks for the link. I wasn't aware of the Acard device. I guess I should extend my question, so, does anyone have an Acard HDD replacement in their AT&T 3b2? If so, how is it working out for you? Jerry On 06/ 1/16 01:03 PM, Swift Griggs wrote: On Wed, 1 Jun 2016, Jerry Kemp

Re: AT&T 3b2 vs SCSI2SD drive replacement

Absolutely. If I had an IRIX box right now, it would be spinning rust or an SSD. One day I hope to have a Crimson and a Fuel. Any 3b2 is going to be significantly slower. I still remember when I had my first 600G (not GR) that got upgraded to (3) 327 Mb drives. I was very excited that I ha

AT&T 3b2 vs SCSI2SD drive replacement

We have recently had activity on the list discussing AT&T 3b2 related stuff, then earlier today we have had discussions concerning the SCSI2SD drive replacement hardware. I was reviewing the online documentation for SCSI2SD, specifically here:

Re: Classics long overdue a Boot.

+1 Been looking for a Crimson for about 8 years now. A couple have come up, but none anywhere close to me. Due to size and weight shipping has been prohibitive. :( Jerry On 05/19/16 06:25 PM, Ian Finder wrote: You parted a Crimson into wall hangings just because the PSU blew? They're su

Re: Mac "Workgroup Server" (or "network server") hardware & AIX

On 04/26/16 03:25 PM, Swift Griggs wrote: A/UX - another Apple Unix that (originally) only ran on specific hardware. There is now an emulation project called "ShoeBill" that will allow you to run A/UX on top of other hardware. I've seen that project before. The only issue is that you need

Re: Mac "Workgroup Server" (or "network server") hardware & AIX

On 04/26/16 10:21 AM, Swift Griggs wrote: Has anyone ever seen either A/UX or AIX running on an Apple Network Server or Apple Workgroup Server? A/UX did not run on PPC hardware. The AIX that ran on ANS boxes (Apple Network Servers) was a special deviant, and, among other issues, required A

Re: 3B2 C compiler and Assembler

Thank you again for all the updates, and all the work you have done on the 3B2 project. I can't wait to be able to work with it again sometime soon, Jerry On 04/ 5/16 11:58 AM, Seth Morabito wrote: * On Sat, Apr 02, 2016 at 10:54:22PM -0500, Seth Morabito wrote: Now that I have my 3B2/300

Re: Here's what happens when an 18 year old buys a mainframe...

I know its too much to wish for, but as I look at your Sun 2000E comment, I can't but hope and wonder if you are anywhere near the DFW metroplex area? Jerry On 03/30/16 06:11 PM, Michael Thompson wrote: I brought the Sun 2000E home, and its still here. I have to thin the herd a little so

Re: AT&T Uverse IPv6 vs. Mac OS X 10.6

Just curious if something specifically is broken or non-fixable with the 10.6.8 IPv6 stack? I'm specifically wondering if you did any troubleshooting to resolve this? Or if just disabling IPv6 was the quick'n'dirty answer? I'm excited for IPv6, but many of my Apple devices I have held back a

shim - WAS:::Re: Xenosoft in New Haven CT?

Hello Mouse, Was just looking over your shim application briefly. Just curious, as I see the README.linux note, what OS was your shim application built for and ran on? Thank you, Jerry On 02/25/16 05:41 PM, Mouse wrote: [...ao.com...] At the point where we finally sold the domain to be

Re: Virtualizing AIX 1.3 w/additional info [LONG] - WAS::::Re: AIX for IBM PS/2

Just checked the URL again, its still working fine for me. Please see additional notes below. On 02/ 5/16 06:56 AM, Steven Hirsch wrote: https://sites.google.com/site/rhdisk0/unix/aix/aixps2 Is anyone else having issues with that URL? I get a quick flash of a legitimate web page before

Virtualizing AIX 1.3 - WAS::::Re: AIX for IBM PS/2

All this AIX 1.x on Intel talk has me wanting to look at it deeper. Does anyone have AIX 1.3 running on VirtualBox ? Thanks, Jerry On 02/ 3/16 11:24 AM, supervinx wrote: This is a dual booting PS/2 (OS/2 and AiX), configured using kev009 floppy images and instructions... http://www.superv

Re: AIX for IBM system 370

On 02/ 2/16 01:11 AM, Guy Sotomayor wrote: Yea, all of the management was done through smit (I think that's the command). Management done thru smit - true, if you had the hardware to run the X11/CDE GUI. Otherwise, it was smitty (with emphasis on the tty) on green screen. Menu driv

Re: AIX for IBM system 370

I can confirm much of Guy's comments. I want to keep this as short as possible and not get booted from the mailing list. The Intel/CISC version of AIX is easily available out on the Internet via floppy disc images. Along with AIX's predecessor, RT. The IBM RT software was developed for IBM

SGI Fuel P/S ::WAS:::::::Re: For you SGI fans...

Thanks for the comments. All this SGI discussion has me wanting to go out and hunt down a Fuel even more. It sounds like I need to focus on finding one with a rev-4 or better power supply. Its been some time since I have personally done any soldering. There's got to be some place, for a fee,

Re: For you SGI fans...

Hello Jay, Regarding the simulated SCSI disk, hoping you can explain further. The last time I had an IRIX based workstation on my desk was in 2007, and all this SGI discussion has me wanting to go and hunt down a Fuel. Curious how the simulated disk thing works. Thank you, Jerry On 01/13/

Re: Building a PC - then & now

Sure you can build a car. Assuming I have the spare $, I could build a brand new 1969 Camaro. With out ever going to GM. Assuming you have the know how and skills, your biggest problem might be deciding which vendor your money will go to for various parts. Plenty of other US cars could

midrange-l - WAS:::Re: Looking for AS/400

Thank you for that post, I wasn't aware of that list. I'm now subscribed. Hoping to relive some of my System/34 and System/36 days, or even better (for me) virtualized. Jerry On 12/ 8/15 05:50 PM, Kevin Monceaux wrote: There was a post on the Midrange-L list last month from someone with

Re: classiccmp work

Thank you for the link. Is "anonymous" login enabled on your FTP server? Or do we require a login before we can access the site? Thank you, Jerry On 11/27/15 01:55 PM, Jay West wrote: FTP on the classiccmp server should now be working more reliably for passive mode. You may have to use "ftp

Re: Fw: new message

A question for the OP. I know that since all the Snowden stuff that took place back a bit, many sites have moved from http to https. Is your ISP able to inject content into "secure" https connections? Or only http transactions, going across the wire in plain text? Jerry On 11/22/15 09:0

Re: Pine

sigh. I keep meaning to upgrade, probably to alpine, but I'm so attached to elm its hard to move forward. Jerry Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 21:41:53 -0500 (EST) From: et...@757.org Am I the only one left using Pine!?

[cctalk] Re: Could someone make the list do the [cctalk] thing in the subject line?

Been AFK and out of town for a week and just catching up on all my email messages. I'm on a couple of emailing list where the modified subject header is an issue of contention. Not sure why, but the square bracket header thing sure helps me. Everyone else just does this by default. My work

Re: WTB: Unix/Solaris Adobe FrameMaker 8

Nothing this year, not even an odd comment. :( Thanks for looking anyway. I'll try again fall 2016. Jerry On 11/ 3/15 02:13 AM, Jerry Kemp wrote: I am looking to purchase/acquire a copy of Adobe FrameMaker 8 for Unix/Solaris. Straight from Adobe, FrameMaker had always been a p

Re: Teletype services

The Baudot thing sure brings back some memories. I still recall hooking teletype's up thru KW-7 boxes, and performing ryryryryryryryryr test. I don't recall enough of the specifics, but it was either Y = 10101 R = 01010 or reversed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baudot_code Jerry On 11/

WTB: Unix/Solaris Adobe FrameMaker 8

I am looking to purchase/acquire a copy of Adobe FrameMaker 8 for Unix/Solaris. Straight from Adobe, FrameMaker had always been a pretty pricy item, but I had always managed to acquire a legal copy, sometimes years old and after the fact through eBay, etc. And through that method, I own legal

Re: Chuck Forsberg died on 9/24. :(

http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=omen.com According to Netcraft, his site was last seen in 2012. Jerry On 11/ 2/15 11:44 PM, jwsmobile wrote: His site www.omen.com seems to be unresponsive, but there are copies on archive.org. There are some interesting tidbits that maybe shoul

Re: Sale with a lot of ATT 3B2 stuff

I know I'm a terrible person for saying this, but as a person who spent several years as a 3b2 admin for $WORK, and would like to be able to work with the operating system again, the sellers prices alone are enough for me to be happy for Seth's 3b2 emulator project, when ever it is complete enou

Re: De-yellowing

All, the original page seems to be off line currently for retr0bright. Also, more current copies seem to be forbidden to be archived via robots.txt. Here is an older copy of the page that was available in the Waybac

Re: Still seeking 3B2 information

you for your work on this and progress you have made so far to date. I think that it is an exciting project, and honestly, I really never expected to see a 3B2 emulator. I hope the items provided by Al Kossow is what you need to move this project forward. Jerry Kemp On 08/14/15 02:28 PM, Seth M

Re: Still seeking 3B2 information

Hello Seth, We were having a 3B2 discussion on the Sun Rescue list, and that got me to thinking about your emulator project. Can you share a status update? Is there anything us non-developers can do to assist? Thank you, Jerry On 01/19/15 01:45 PM, Seth Morabito wrote: Hi everyone, I've

Re: SPARCClassic won't boot cdrom

To the OP. From the OK OBP prompt, can you please share the output of: probe-scsi AND probe-scsi-all assuming your OBP supports those commands. Jerry On 08/ 2/15 04:35 PM, Sean Caron wrote: Oh! And if you're using the "boot cdrom" mnemonic, make sure that your CD-ROM is actually set to S

Re: SS10 console settings

+1 to Tony for heading down the right path. The rear DB25 serial connector is an A & B serial port combined. Sun had/sold a special Y-splitter cable to use for the combined port. Here is pinout information from sunhelp.org in case you want to make one for yourself from scratch. http://www.su

Re: Wanted: stand for NeXT monitor

I don't recall/its been too long ago anyway to recall my OmniWeb experiences from my friends NeXT Slab. I do have it loaded on my Apple Mac mini, and it seems to perform just fine. No Pentium II experiences or HPPA to directly relate to though. Jerry On 06/ 1/15 09:46 AM, Chris Osborn wrot

Re: Wanted: stand for NeXT monitor

Jumping in on the bandwagon. A few years back, I had a friend loan me his NeXT slab for about a year. 25 Mhz CPU. Everything pretty much stock. My observation of the default GUI was it was pretty darn quick, not even taking into account the hardware it was running on. Jerry On 05/29/15 0