[cctalk] Re: Getting floppy images to/from real floppy disks.

2023-06-04 Thread Johan Helsingius via cctalk
On 05/06/2023 00:37, Alexander Schreiber via cctalk wrote: Eh, this engineer strongly prefers a _practical_ car. That is why we have a Toyota Avensis station wagon - one of the last ones made. Never sold in the US. Unfortunately the successor (Camry) wich I liked because it has a linux-based e

[cctalk] Re: Getting floppy images to/from real floppy disks.

2023-06-04 Thread Tony Duell via cctalk
On Sun, Jun 4, 2023 at 10:57 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > On Sun, 4 Jun 2023, Rick Bensene via cctalk wrote: > > an example of early "mobile computing". (Tongue firmly in cheek). > > The original Osborne 1 had a 12V power input! Actually it's +12.6V and +5.6V and you have to supply both vo

[cctalk] Re: Getting floppy images to/from real floppy disks.

2023-06-04 Thread Nigel Johnson Ham via cctalk
Back in the 70s, VW had a competition going when they came up with a diagnostic connector (maybe pre-dating OBD2 or J1850?) to give it a name. An engineer that sat next to me came up with what I thought should have been the winning entry, although I am not sure he entered it: "Debug the Bug pl

[cctalk] Re: Getting floppy images to/from real floppy disks.

2023-06-04 Thread Nigel Johnson Ham via cctalk
Difficult to get the 60Hz pure AC to sync the data bits, I would think! On 2023-06-04 16:15, Rick Bensene via cctalk wrote: Earlier today, I wrote: Doubtful that VW Bug was on the Autobahn at the time, and, while the advertisement was very novel with a full-on minicomputer in the back seat of

[cctalk] Re: Getting floppy images to/from real floppy disks.

2023-06-04 Thread Peter Coghlan via cctalk
Rick Bensene wrote: > Earlier today, I wrote: > >>> Doubtful that VW Bug was on the Autobahn at the time, and, while the >>> advertisement was very >>> novel with a full-on minicomputer in the back seat of a VW Bug, the amount >>> of data >>> potentially being transported was likely only 4K 12-b

[cctalk] Re: Getting floppy images to/from real floppy disks.

2023-06-04 Thread Sellam Abraham via cctalk
On Sun, Jun 4, 2023 at 1:16 PM Rick Bensene via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > I'm not sure that you could fit a complete Model 33-ASR Teletype in the > passenger seat of > the Bug. I suppose if the Teletype was removed from its stand, it might be > able to sit on the > seat, and be powe

[cctalk] Re: Disk-pack-based drives at LCM

2023-06-04 Thread Chris Zach via cctalk
Last time I worked with large pack drives was the three RM03's in 2003 or so before I sent AI to LCM. One of the drives had dirty heads and I cleaned them with isopropyl. Mounted a scratch pack and it exploded. Other two drives were clean and worked fine before powering down, parking, and putti

[cctalk] Re: Disk-pack-based drives at LCM

2023-06-04 Thread Robert Ollerton via cctalk
cp-v at the LCM, system and swapping on 300MB packs. On Sun, Jun 4, 2023 at 3:16 PM P Gebhardt via cctalk wrote: > Hi Rod, > > I don't blame them either! Operating these drives means having access to > spare heads, alignment equipment and and alignment pack - not taking into > account the wor

[cctalk] Re: Getting floppy images to/from real floppy disks.

2023-06-04 Thread Alexander Schreiber via cctalk
On Sat, Jun 03, 2023 at 07:47:35PM -0500, Cory Heisterkamp via cctalk wrote: > > > On Jun 3, 2023, at 7:12 PM, Alexander Schreiber via cctalk > > wrote: > > So the Mercedes T model was (at least in Germany, the manufacturers country) > > never called a "station wagon" because that category name

[cctalk] Re: Getting floppy images to/from real floppy disks.

2023-06-04 Thread Alexander Schreiber via cctalk
On Sun, Jun 04, 2023 at 11:39:08AM +0200, Harald Arnesen via cctalk wrote: > Fred Cisin via cctalk [04/06/2023 02.50]: > > On Sun, 4 Jun 2023, Alexander Schreiber wrote: > > > So the Mercedes T model was (at least in Germany, the manufacturers > > > country) > > > never called a "station wagon" be

[cctalk] Re: Disk-pack-based drives at LCM

2023-06-04 Thread P Gebhardt via cctalk
Hi Rod, I don't blame them either! Operating these drives means having access to spare heads, alignment equipment and and alignment pack - not taking into account the work to be put in all of this! Anyway, thanks for sharing your anecdote with us :) Greetings, Pierre >I can't say I blame the

[cctalk] Re: Disk-pack-based drives at LCM

2023-06-04 Thread P Gebhardt via cctalk
Hello Lee, thanks for confirming this! To my knowledge, that would have been the only place world-wide in very recent past where 300MB drives based on disk packs would still (or again) be operational and actually be used! Simply amazing - and so unfortunate that it's closed! Greetings, Pierre

[cctalk] Re: Getting floppy images to/from real floppy disks.

2023-06-04 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Doubtful that VW Bug was on the Autobahn at the time, and, while the . . . Now, if the Bug had a trailer hitch, it could tow a trailer behind it with a gasoline or diesel powered generator with sufficient capacity to run the PDP-8. Are you suggesting some kind of, say, portable computer? Run

[cctalk] Re: Getting floppy images to/from real floppy disks.

2023-06-04 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Sun, 4 Jun 2023, Rick Bensene via cctalk wrote: an example of early "mobile computing". (Tongue firmly in cheek). The original Osborne 1 had a 12V power input! Lee Felsenstein was asked how large and heavy the battery pack would be. He replied that it was not intended to be run portably on

[cctalk] Re: Tips on VME board access

2023-06-04 Thread David Arnold via cctalk
I’ve got a 3/260 (in storage sadly). IIRC, it’s pretty fussy about what boards go in what slots, so moving to the end might be tricky. I never tried an extender card though. Not very helpful, sorry. d > On 5 Jun 2023, at 05:04, David Gesswein via cctalk > wrote: > > Did VME work long

[cctalk] Re: Getting floppy images to/from real floppy disks.

2023-06-04 Thread David Arnold via cctalk
I had a Gen6 Golf wagon. Remarkably useful luggage capacity, but I don’t think it would have fitted a full-depth rack through the tailgate. Plenty of mag tape or SD-card space though. d > On 4 Jun 2023, at 04:00, Alexander Schreiber via cctalk > wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 01, 2023 at 02:3

[cctalk] Re: Getting floppy images to/from real floppy disks.

2023-06-04 Thread David Barto via cctalk
> On Jun 4, 2023, at 11:54 AM, Rick Bensene via cctalk > wrote: > > > >> >>> yes. a Kombi full of tapes hurtling down the highway. >> >> ...down the Autobahn. > > > Ben F. wrote regarding transport of data in a moving vehicle: > >> the Autobahn... >> https://www.computerhistory.org/revol

[cctalk] Re: Getting floppy images to/from real floppy disks.

2023-06-04 Thread Rick Bensene via cctalk
Earlier today, I wrote: >> Doubtful that VW Bug was on the Autobahn at the time, and, while the >> advertisement was very >> novel with a full-on minicomputer in the back seat of a VW Bug, the amount >> of data >> potentially being transported was likely only 4K 12-bit words, or 48K bits. >> Si

[cctalk] Re: Tips on VME board access

2023-06-04 Thread David Gesswein via cctalk
Did VME work long ago. We used extender cards to get better access. Sometimes a card didn't like being on an extender. Then we might move it to the end of the card cage and pull the end plate off to get access. Never worked with 3/110. If I remember Sun made some big VME boards. We only used 6U nor

[cctalk] Re: Getting floppy images to/from real floppy disks.

2023-06-04 Thread Rick Bensene via cctalk
> >> yes.  a Kombi full of tapes hurtling down the highway. > > ...down the Autobahn. Ben F. wrote regarding transport of data in a moving vehicle: > the Autobahn... > https://www.computerhistory.org/revolution/artifact/331/1893 Doubtful that VW Bug was on the Autobahn at the time, and, wh

[cctalk] Re: Getting floppy images to/from real floppy disks.

2023-06-04 Thread emanuel stiebler via cctalk
On 2023-06-04 13:24, ben via cctalk wrote: Down the Autobahn... https://www.computerhistory.org/revolution/artifact/331/1893 I think the "bug" is in the back of a "beetle" :)

[cctalk] Re: Getting floppy images to/from real floppy disks.

2023-06-04 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2023-06-04 3:39 a.m., Harald Arnesen via cctalk wrote: Fred Cisin via cctalk [04/06/2023 02.50]: On Sun, 4 Jun 2023, Alexander Schreiber wrote: So the Mercedes T model was (at least in Germany, the manufacturers country) never called a "station wagon" because that category name doesn't exis

[cctalk] Re: Getting floppy images to/from real floppy disks.

2023-06-04 Thread Harald Arnesen via cctalk
Fred Cisin via cctalk [04/06/2023 02.50]: On Sun, 4 Jun 2023, Alexander Schreiber wrote: So the Mercedes T model was (at least in Germany, the manufacturers country) never called a "station wagon" because that category name doesn't exist there. The closest analogue to it in German parlance would

[cctalk] Re: Getting floppy images to/from real floppy disks.

2023-06-04 Thread David Barto via cctalk
The reason for the “station wagon” going ways was the CAFE standards. The modern SUV is based on a TRUCK chassis, and thus not restricted in MPG ratings from the US government. If you have a “station wagon” that is a “car” it is thus subject to CAFE standards. Ford only makes the Mustang as a c