Re: Serial analyzers (was Re: VAX 11/730 quickie)

2016-02-23 Thread jwsmobile
On 2/23/2016 7:11 PM, Curious Marc wrote: I was wondering if I should add a 4952 to my HP collection. It's tempting, these are cute machines. But except if I am using synchronous RS232, I was not sure what I would getting that a laptop with a good terminal emulator and a serial port would gi

RE: Serial analyzers (was Re: VAX 11/730 quickie)

2016-02-23 Thread Jay West
Marc wrote I was not sure what I would getting that a laptop with a good terminal emulator and a serial port would give me. Can you convince me otherwise? What do you guys use it for? - Perhaps there are terminal emulators out there that can do the following, but I'm not aware

Re: Serial analyzers (was Re: VAX 11/730 quickie)

2016-02-23 Thread Curious Marc
I was wondering if I should add a 4952 to my HP collection. It's tempting, these are cute machines. But except if I am using synchronous RS232, I was not sure what I would getting that a laptop with a good terminal emulator and a serial port would give me. Can you convince me otherwise? What do

Re: Copying from a floppy to an SD card?

2016-02-23 Thread drlegendre .
FYI, it's really no great shakes to install the parallel port on the CBM 1541 drive, and likewise, to modify the XM-1541 cable to work with it. Parts wise, all you need is a PC gameport header with the DB 15-pin port / ribbon cable, and the cable from an old / disused / dos era PC game controller.

Re: Helpful Features in a Debugger

2016-02-23 Thread Maciej W. Rozycki
On Mon, 22 Feb 2016, Mouse wrote: > These and many of the other stop conditions could possibly be subsumed > by a "stop when this expression evaluates true" facility, with > expression primitives capable of representing all the things you might > want to watch. It would of course be CPU-intensive

Re: Copying from a floppy to an SD card?

2016-02-23 Thread drlegendre .
"OK, so the presence of that parallel port has nothing to do with imaging copy-protected disks, as I thought? Now that I think about it, maybe some particular nibbling software (mnib or the like) just requires the parallel port, probably for speed reasons or whatever." As I say, I'm only aware of

Re: Minix 3 vs portability - was Re: Looking for a small fast VAX development machine

2016-02-23 Thread Maciej W. Rozycki
On Tue, 23 Feb 2016, Liam Proven wrote: > POWER chips are still going strong but they're big and run hot taking > lots of power. Apple needed a CPU line that could offer good notebook > chips as well as desktop chips, and POWER (and PowerPC) was only > addressing desktop devices. Are you sure?

RE: Dumb Terminal games (was Re: Looking for a small fast VAX development machine)

2016-02-23 Thread Rich Alderson
From: Glen Slick Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 12:04 PM > On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 10:41 AM, Rich Alderson > wrote: >> publicly available to play on the Toad-2 at LCM, and I removed the >> office hours check from the startup program years and years and year ago. > Do you have Haunt running t

NeWS video(s) with James Gosling?

2016-02-23 Thread Eric Christopherson
Would anyone out there happen to know the whereabouts of one or more specific videos that were hosted on the Microsoft research web site maybe 10-15 years ago, starring James Gosling, where he talked about NeWS (Network extensible Window System)? I may even be able to dig up the URL for the video(

Re: Wes Clark died yesterday

2016-02-23 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Evan Koblentz Now I'm triply bummed that he was sick, and didn't manage to make it to the last VCF East. He was one of the giants - somewhat unsung, but a giant. RIP. Noel

Re: Dumb Terminal games (was Re: Looking for a small fast VAX development machine)

2016-02-23 Thread Glen Slick
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 10:41 AM, Rich Alderson wrote: > From: Ethan Dicks > Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 8:23 AM > >> Zork (and anything else on a Zmachine) > > Ethan, > > You should know better. Zork originated on a PDP-10 running ITS. I first > encountered it on a TOPS-20 system, since th

Re: Wes Clark died yesterday

2016-02-23 Thread Adrian Stoness
Rip On Feb 23, 2016 12:06 PM, "Evan Koblentz" wrote: > > http://www.techrepublic.com/article/wesley-a-clark-legendary-computer-engineer-dies-at-88/ >

Re: Minix 3 vs portability - was Re: Looking for a small fast VAX development machine

2016-02-23 Thread Charles Anthony
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 10:57 AM, ben wrote: > On 2/22/2016 7:42 PM, Eric Christopherson wrote: > >> On Mon, Feb 22, 2016, ben wrote: >> >>> Where are all to portable compilers and assemblers source code??? >>> Oh wait you have to pay good money for them back then?. >>> OH now we can't be bothere

Re: Minix 3 vs portability - was Re: Looking for a small fast VAX development machine

2016-02-23 Thread ben
On 2/22/2016 7:42 PM, Eric Christopherson wrote: On Mon, Feb 22, 2016, ben wrote: Where are all to portable compilers and assemblers source code??? Oh wait you have to pay good money for them back then?. OH now we can't be bothered to support the small machines, sorry no source for that. My bigg

Re: Dumb Terminal games (was Re: Looking for a small fast VAX development machine)

2016-02-23 Thread Adrian Graham
On 23/02/2016 16:23, "Ethan Dicks" wrote: > I've been meaning to ask this question since I started cleaning up > terminals this year... what are some favorites? Some of the obvious > classics are: > > Adventure > Zork (and anything else on a Zmachine) > Scott Adams Adventures > Wumpus > Anythin

Re: Dumb Terminal games (was Re: Looking for a small fast VAX development machine)

2016-02-23 Thread Ethan Dicks
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Rich Alderson wrote: > From: Ethan Dicks > Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 8:23 AM > >> Zork (and anything else on a Zmachine) > > Ethan, > > You should know better. Of course I do. > Zork originated on a PDP-10 running ITS. Of course it did. > I first > enco

Re: The AT&T 3B2 is still proprietary

2016-02-23 Thread geneb
On Tue, 23 Feb 2016, Fred Cisin wrote: Can someone explain this list reply to me what what it has to do with AT&T minis? On Tue, 23 Feb 2016, Alan Hightower wrote: 1) Mike lives in Colorado, Washington, Oregon, or Alaska 2) Mike fell off his Honda ATC 3-wheeler and hit is head really hard 3) S

RE: Dumb Terminal games (was Re: Looking for a small fast VAX development machine)

2016-02-23 Thread Rich Alderson
From: Ethan Dicks Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 8:23 AM > Zork (and anything else on a Zmachine) Ethan, You should know better. Zork originated on a PDP-10 running ITS. I first encountered it on a TOPS-20 system, since the folks at the Dynamic Modeling Lab ported their variant of Lisp to TE

Re: The AT&T 3B2 is still proprietary

2016-02-23 Thread William Donzelli
I assume a 3B4000 is too big for a Honda three wheeler. That is OK - the CSX mainline is not too far away. -- Will On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: >> If I ever get my hands on a 3B2 of any size, I would happily hook it >> up to a Honda three-wheeler and drag it along a r

Re: The AT&T 3B2 is still proprietary

2016-02-23 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
Heh. You obviously never net the 3B4000. s/net/met/ :-P

Re: The AT&T 3B2 is still proprietary

2016-02-23 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
If I ever get my hands on a 3B2 of any size, I would happily hook it up to a Honda three-wheeler and drag it along a rough gravel road until it was nothing more that unrecognizable lump if raw steel. I hated using a 3B2. Heh. You obviously never net the 3B4000.

Wes Clark died yesterday

2016-02-23 Thread Evan Koblentz
http://www.techrepublic.com/article/wesley-a-clark-legendary-computer-engineer-dies-at-88/

Re: The AT&T 3B2 is still proprietary

2016-02-23 Thread William Donzelli
>> - *Mike's Honda ATC 3wheeler Shop for LIFE!!!* > > > Can someone explain this list reply to me what what it has to do with AT&T > minis? Yes. If I ever get my hands on a 3B2 of any size, I would happily hook it up to a Honda three-wheeler and drag it along a rough gravel road until it was noth

Re: The AT&T 3B2 is still proprietary

2016-02-23 Thread Fred Cisin
Can someone explain this list reply to me what what it has to do with AT&T minis? On Tue, 23 Feb 2016, Alan Hightower wrote: 1) Mike lives in Colorado, Washington, Oregon, or Alaska 2) Mike fell off his Honda ATC 3-wheeler and hit is head really hard 3) Spam bot that has gone self-aware and off

Re: The AT&T 3B2 is still proprietary

2016-02-23 Thread Alan Hightower
On 2016-02-23 11:45, Chuck Guzis wrote: >> - *Mike's ​Honda ATC 3wheeler​ Shop​ for LIFE!!!* > > Can someone explain this list reply to me what what it has to do with AT&T > minis? 1) Mike lives in Colorado, Washington, Oregon, or Alaska 2) Mike fell off his Honda ATC 3-wheeler and hit is

Re: Dumb Terminal games (was Re: Looking for a small fast VAX development machine)

2016-02-23 Thread Mark J. Blair
> On Feb 23, 2016, at 08:37, Ethan Dicks wrote: > > Back in the day when I used VAXen and terminals all day, every day, we > had a variety of exectutable games for VMS (and we never had BASIC on > that machine). One of the most popular was EMPIRE (to disambiguate, > this EMPIRE was a single-pla

Re: Dumb Terminal games (was Re: Looking for a small fast VAX development machine)

2016-02-23 Thread David Brownlee
On 23 February 2016 at 16:23, Ethan Dicks wrote: > On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 12:38 AM, Richard Loken wrote: >> On Mon, 22 Feb 2016, Mouse wrote: >> Computer games require all you can give them [...] >>> >>> Only if your idea of "games" is "slick-looking realtime 3D-rendering >>> games". There

Re: The AT&T 3B2 is still proprietary

2016-02-23 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 02/22/2016 03:15 PM, Mike Boyle wrote: ​Are you serious. I rebuild vintage Honda ATC 3 Wheelers​ and some people till this day think they are illegal to even own bahahahahah There is only one law that was left that dropped out in 2015 and it was they could not me manufactured. Japan is making

Re: Dumb Terminal games (was Re: Looking for a small fast VAX development machine)

2016-02-23 Thread Ethan Dicks
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 11:29 AM, william degnan wrote: > On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Ethan Dicks wrote: >> ... 80x24 text games that can be played on an ANSI (VT100) >> terminal and especially non-ANSI (VT52 or that IBM 3101) on >> Unix/Linux, VMS, and RT-11. > > I never checked, I did not

Re: Dumb Terminal games (was Re: Looking for a small fast VAX development machine)

2016-02-23 Thread william degnan
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Ethan Dicks wrote: > On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 12:38 AM, Richard Loken wrote: > > On Mon, 22 Feb 2016, Mouse wrote: > > > >>> Computer games require all you can give them [...] > >> > >> Only if your idea of "games" is "slick-looking realtime 3D-rendering > >> gam

Dumb Terminal games (was Re: Looking for a small fast VAX development machine)

2016-02-23 Thread Ethan Dicks
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 12:38 AM, Richard Loken wrote: > On Mon, 22 Feb 2016, Mouse wrote: > >>> Computer games require all you can give them [...] >> >> Only if your idea of "games" is "slick-looking realtime 3D-rendering >> games". There are lots of games that work perfectly well on 3100-class

Re: Minix 3 vs portability - was Re: Looking for a small fast VAX development machine

2016-02-23 Thread Doug Ingraham
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 10:19 AM, Toby Thain wrote: > >> Seeing Minix 3 on x86 and ARM is good. Unless it wants to wither when >> the world moves beyond x86 and ARM, it will need to be done with enough >> portability in mind to make porting it easy, yes, but it is hardly a >> failing that it isn

RE: Australian CP/M era computers?

2016-02-23 Thread Dave Wade
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Chuck > Guzis > Sent: 23 February 2016 07:05 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > Subject: Re: Australian CP/M era computers? > > On 02/20/2016 08:26 AM, John Foust wrote: > > > >

Re: Copying from a floppy to an SD card?

2016-02-23 Thread Eric Christopherson
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 12:17 AM, drlegendre . wrote: > I know of no way, probing only with the PC & software, to determine which > type of X-1541 cable you might have. However, wiring diagrams for +all+ > versions are freely available, and it shouldn't be any great effort to open > up and - with

Re: Minix 3 vs portability - was Re: Looking for a small fast VAX development machine

2016-02-23 Thread Toby Thain
On 2016-02-23 9:45 AM, Liam Proven wrote: On 22 February 2016 at 17:41, Toby Thain wrote: *Today's* "modern computer market." Are they doing _that_ or are they going after QNX? Or both? #confused It's a decade-old project. It needs to run on cheap commodity kit. Cheap commodity kit means x86

Re: Helpful Features in a Debugger

2016-02-23 Thread dwight
Using all these features as part of specialized macros. Sometimes I like just the disassembly of the line while single stepping. Sometimes I like just the registers. Sometimes I like both and a small memory window. Being able to combine things is useful, into a single keyboard character. Of course,

Re: The AT&T 3B2 is still proprietary

2016-02-23 Thread Mike Boyle
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 5:53 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: > On 02/22/2016 12:04 PM, Seth Morabito wrote: > >> Here's an interesting tid-bit. >> >> I just got off the phone with the AT&T corporate archives, where I >> had hoped to find schematics and internals documentation for the AT&T >> 3B2. They do

WTT iPhone 5 for a apple II

2016-02-23 Thread Mike Boyle
I am sure a few of you have extra Apple 2's laying around and I have a couple apple iPhone 5 in mint cond please let me know what ya have or a commodore pet. -- *Mike's ​Honda ATC 3wheeler​ Shop​ for LIFE!!!* * Have a blessed day!*

Re: Minix 3 vs portability - was Re: Looking for a small fast VAX development machine

2016-02-23 Thread Liam Proven
On 22 February 2016 at 17:41, Toby Thain wrote: > *Today's* "modern computer market." > > Are they doing _that_ or are they going after QNX? Or both? #confused It's a decade-old project. It needs to run on cheap commodity kit. Cheap commodity kit means x86 and ARM. What is in any way confusing a

Re: Minix 3 vs portability - was Re: Looking for a small fast VAX development machine

2016-02-23 Thread Liam Proven
On 22 February 2016 at 17:36, Mazzini Alessandro wrote: > Not to intrude, but apple could also have gone with the serious power cpu, > thus not "needing" to move to x86. As long as there's enough of a push, sw > houses release versions for a different architecture... and power is hardly > a dead e

Re: VMS 5.5 and multinet 4.1 SMTP Question

2016-02-23 Thread Peter Coghlan
> > Thanks for your reply. My error I meant send email to > sys...@microvax3100.vintagecomputer.net > Multinet is an excellent TCP/IP stack but the SMTP server included with it is a bit limited and V4.1 is old. If you allow it to accept SMTP mail directly from the internet, it may be difficult o

Re: How to use both a VT-52 and an ASR-33 on a PDP-8A

2016-02-23 Thread william degnan
> > From: cctech on behalf of Marc Howard < cramc...@gmail.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 7:40 PM > To: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only > Subject: How to use both a VT-52 and an ASR-33 on a PDP-8A > > Hi, > > Just looking for suggestions o

Re: VMS 5.5 and multinet 4.1 SMTP Question

2016-02-23 Thread william degnan
> > I'm not quite sure whether SYSTEM@microvax3...@vintagecomputer.net is really > what you need here. Maybe system%microvax3...@vintagecomputer.net would work, > assuming the mail server for vintagecomputer.net is configured to know how > to route mail for a mail domain called microvax3100. > > A

RE: Serial analyzers (was Re: VAX 11/730 quickie)

2016-02-23 Thread Jay West
I had written... > Just my 2 millidollars worth... To which Tony replied -- Don't you mean 20 millidollars? -- I'd have intended to say 2 centidollars... but if I say I meant 20 millidollars then I can claim it was merely a typo and I dropped the 0 *cough* J

RE: Serial analyzers (was Re: VAX 11/730 quickie)

2016-02-23 Thread tony duell
> > I've always eyed the 4952... being as my penchant is HP and much of my test > equipment is same-vintage HP gear (I'll give a vote for the 1631D logic > analyzer, combo LA and digital scope - the scope is sorta poor, but handy - > the LA is great for what I work on). I would love to find the u

RE: How to use both a VT-52 and an ASR-33 on a PDP-8A

2016-02-23 Thread tony duell
> > You could use something like an Arduino to buffer > either. It could take the 9600 from the terminal and > retransmit it at 110. It would be slow when updating > data to the terminal but it should be able to buffer human > input at the terminal. If you're going to keep the PDP11 port at 110 b

Re: Copying from a floppy to an SD card?

2016-02-23 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 8:02 AM, Chuck Guzis wrote: > > I'm occasionally called on to transfer some of the C64 floppies. I have a > 1571 and have cobbled up the XM interface connected to a DB25F permanently > mounted on the drive. That way, I can use a "straight through" cable to the > parallel

Re: VAX 11/730 quickie

2016-02-23 Thread Mike Ross
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 10:14 AM, Mark J. Blair wrote: > >> On Feb 21, 2016, at 23:09, Mike Ross wrote: >> Actually I do have a Mac within easy range of the 730. Could you do me >> a favour and throw a prebuilt OSX binary somewhere I can grab it? I >> have flaky internet in the workshop and this

Re: PDP-11/20 vd one that just says pdp 11 what are the date differences?? OEM?

2016-02-23 Thread Tor Arntsen
On 22 February 2016 at 20:08, wrote: > > > Then there is this information. > > PDP-11/15 > > > (http://gunkies.org/wiki/PDP-11/15#column-one) > (http://gunkies.org/wiki/PDP-11/15#searchInput) > > > This is the OEM version of the _PDP-11/20_ > (http://gunkies.org/wiki/PDP-11/20) . As gunk

Re: The AT&T 3B2 is still proprietary

2016-02-23 Thread Alan Hightower
I would if I knew of an exotic wilderness plane of existence with an observation deck. I've never seen one in the wild. -Alan On 2016-02-22 17:53, Chuck Guzis wrote: > On 02/22/2016 12:04 PM, Seth Morabito wrote: > >> Here's an interesting tid-bit. >> >> I just got off the phone with