Re: More on manuals plus rescue

2015-08-19 Thread Tothwolf
On Wed, 19 Aug 2015, Sean Caron wrote: On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 7:50 PM, William Donzelli wrote: On Wed, 19 Aug 2015, Tothwolf wrote: I have to disagree strongly with Will on this. There are quite a few "PDF manual dealers" who honestly deserve to go out of business. Those "dealers" tend to f

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

2015-08-19 Thread Daniel Seagraves
On Wed, 19 Aug 2015, Sean Caron wrote: At what point should historic preservationists be concerned with preserving someone else's obsolescent business model? At the point when those "obsolescent" businesses have lawyers that can put you in prison and/or take away everything you've ever work

Looking for a VAX 9000

2015-08-19 Thread Sue Skonetski
Dear Group, My name is Sue Skonetski I am a vintage Digital, Compaq and HP person and now with VMS Software. It is not a typo I am really looking for a VAX 9000. Thanks, Sue Sue Skonetski VP of Customer Advocacy sue.skonet...@vmssoftware.com Office: +1 (978) 451-0116 Mobile: +1 (603) 494-9

Re: Probs w. M3119 CXY08 MUX on VAX VMS 7.3

2015-08-19 Thread Paul Koning
> On Aug 19, 2015, at 3:33 PM, d...@mitton.com wrote: > > From: Paul Koning > >>> ... > >> Ok. RSTS does indeed check for duplicate vectors. It also checks for devices >> interrupting at too high a priority. > >> It’s pretty neat code. Back in 1977 or so when that came out, it may have >> b

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

2015-08-19 Thread Sean Caron
I guess if philistines want to pillage themselves, that is their sad perogative ... but if releasing the entirety of Manuals Plus to the public domain will break them, maybe they don't really have anything all that unique after all? Best, Sean On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 7:50 PM, William Donzelli

Re: Probs w. M3119 CXY08 MUX on VAX VMS 7.3

2015-08-19 Thread dave
From: Paul Koning ... Ok. RSTS does indeed check for duplicate vectors. It also checks for devices interrupting at too high a priority. It?s pretty neat code. Back in 1977 or so when that came out, it may have been one of the first autoconfig systems, at least in DEC. It could probe almo

Re: [chiclassiccomp] VCF Midwest: Last Chance for Rooms

2015-08-19 Thread Randall Kindig
FYI, 2 double-beds only. No King beds. Randy > On Aug 19, 2015, at 6:47 PM, Jason T silent...@gmail.com [chiclassiccomp] > wrote: > > Hello all - I thought they did this weeks ago but the VCFMW hotel has > informed me that they still have the special rooms pricing block open. > It will close

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

2015-08-19 Thread Sean Caron
At what point should historic preservationists be concerned with preserving someone else's obsolescent business model? Selling Xerox copies and burned CDs ... and that's hard cash out of the pocket of every hobbyist that could undoubtedly be better spent say, preserving actual equipment, than payin

Re: HP 5480A, or, obscure HP instruments / was Re: More on manuals plus rescue

2015-08-19 Thread Brent Hilpert
On 2015-Aug-19, at 8:08 PM, William Donzelli wrote: >> Not to disagree or contradict you, but I have to mention what may be an >> exception to that in the case of one HP instrument: > > There are always exceptions. > > Anyway, > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/Agilent-HP-Keysight-05480-90013-5480A-5

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

2015-08-19 Thread William Maddox
>> "Press Release April 2015 Data Professionals of Pleasanton California has >> been acquired by Heath Company and will focus on supporting vintage kits by >> providing parts, modification, and even 'Certified Pre-Owned' Heathkits for >> sale. Please watch our site for future developments." > >

Re: 5.25 floppies that read but don't write

2015-08-19 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 08/19/2015 09:10 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: We also had some fun when the purchasing department gave us HD disks! (for use in TRS80 model 1 SD) They would sometimes FORMAT, WRITE, READ, and then minutes later, be blank again. The purchasing agent was in bed with somebody peddling RoyType, and kep

RE: VT100 keyboard (source?)

2015-08-19 Thread tony duell
> > Thanks, that was a question I had been intending to ask, but to confirm: > If one obtained (as appropriate) bare RX01/2 floppy drive(s), it would just > be a > matter of power supply for the floppies, and passive cabling to interface the > drives > to the CPU/display? Depends on what you me

RE: VT100 keyboard (source?)

2015-08-19 Thread tony duell
> > Alternatively, does anyone know if there is any degree of signalling > compatibility > between the VT100 and VT220/320 keyboards? I am sure there is no compatibility. The VT220, etc keyboard (LK201) interface is a 9600 baud asynchronous serial port. The VT100 keyboard has a single bidirect

RE: 5.25 floppies that read but don't write

2015-08-19 Thread Fred Cisin
Just in case anybody was unaware, . . . VERIFY is NOT a suitable test in this situation. Most beginners assume that VERIFY will re-read the track, and determine whether the write wrote the correct content. IT DOES NOT. VERIFY checks the sector headers and CRCs, and determines whether there is

Re: RS-232 Tx / Rx monitoring LEDs?

2015-08-19 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 08/19/2015 08:40 PM, dwight wrote: I think the main issue is that TTL is usually a weak pullup and a hard pulldown. RS 232 levels are equal up and down. Putting it on the RS232 lines could even improve signal quality because the signal is usually poorly terminated, causing reflections. The rec

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

2015-08-19 Thread Tothwolf
On Wed, 19 Aug 2015, Tothwolf wrote: On Wed, 19 Aug 2015, William Donzelli wrote: Yes, let the guys keep selling the higher demand documents - HP, Tek, Heathkit. Nearly all of those are super common anyway (and plus, you will run into problems posting Heath material). Focus on the weirder stuf

RE: RS-232 Tx / Rx monitoring LEDs?

2015-08-19 Thread dwight
I think the main issue is that TTL is usually a weak pullup and a hard pulldown. RS 232 levels are equal up and down. Putting it on the RS232 lines could even improve signal quality because the signal is usually poorly terminated, causing reflections. The recommended lengths and Baud rates are inte

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

2015-08-19 Thread Fred Cisin
On Wed, 19 Aug 2015, Paul Koning wrote: Reminds me of a guy who sold US military aircraft flight manual scans, with his "copyright" notice on every page. Never mind that such things are in the public domain by law. The ORIGINAL is in the public domain, and he would have no rights to restrict

RE: 5.25 floppies that read but don't write

2015-08-19 Thread dwight
As a general rule, you should not write to a DD disk with a HD drive. It does not erase the full width of the track. You should only write to DD from a 360K type drive. If you must write using an HD drive, it is recommended that you first completely erase the disk with an external magnetic media er

Re: HP 5480A, or, obscure HP instruments / was Re: More on manuals plus rescue

2015-08-19 Thread William Donzelli
> Not to disagree or contradict you, but I have to mention what may be an > exception to that in the case of one HP instrument: There are always exceptions. Anyway, http://www.ebay.com/itm/Agilent-HP-Keysight-05480-90013-5480A-5480B-Service-Manual-/361296424349 Is that a different instrument?

HP 5480A, or, obscure HP instruments / was Re: More on manuals plus rescue

2015-08-19 Thread Brent Hilpert
On 2015-Aug-19, at 3:58 PM, William Donzelli wrote: > Yes, let the guys keep selling the higher demand documents - HP, Tek, > Heathkit. Nearly all of those are super common anyway > . . . > In fact, due to your time constraints, I would not bother with the HP, > Tek, or Heathkit manuals at all > .

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

2015-08-19 Thread ethan
Years ago I needed a HP service manual for a plotter I was trying to repair that I owned. HP of course wouldn't let me have it, so I had to buy a PDF copy from someone on eBay. I ended up removing the password and posting it on my website. I think it's been up there for 10+ years now with tons

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

2015-08-19 Thread Paul Koning
> On Aug 19, 2015, at 7:47 PM, Tothwolf wrote: > > ... > Second, those that threaten others when they find a PDF manual online which > competes with their offerings. Some of them will file bogus DMCA takedowns > even though they are not the copyright holder. Some of these "dealers" try to > a

Free manuals (was: Re: Manuals Plus preservation efforts update)

2015-08-19 Thread Tothwolf
I just heard from Becky this afternoon (I've been in regular contact with her) and she has said that anything left is now up for grabs. This is part of what she wrote me today: "If you know of anyone that wants to come here & help themselves over the next two days they are welcome. (Only if yo

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

2015-08-19 Thread Tothwolf
On Wed, 19 Aug 2015, William Donzelli wrote: On Wed, 19 Aug 2015, Jason Scott wrote: That is a most interesting metric. I honestly hadn't considered that issue. The key, I think, will be communication with them to understand which manuals have sales going on, and which ones it would be advant

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

2015-08-19 Thread Liam Proven
On 20 August 2015 at 01:50, William Donzelli wrote: > It does not matter. You can not scan ashes. Not yet. But the tech is getting closer... From automatically reassembling the Stasi's shredded files: http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-19344978 http://archive.wired.com/politics/security/magazine

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

2015-08-19 Thread Jules Richardson
On 08/19/2015 06:50 PM, William Donzelli wrote: I have to disagree strongly with Will on this. There are quite a few "PDF manual dealers" who honestly deserve to go out of business. Those "dealers" tend to fall into two categories: It does not matter. You can not scan ashes. Well, you can, bu

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

2015-08-19 Thread William Donzelli
> I have to disagree strongly with Will on this. There are quite a few "PDF > manual dealers" who honestly deserve to go out of business. Those "dealers" > tend to fall into two categories: It does not matter. You can not scan ashes. -- Will

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

2015-08-19 Thread Tothwolf
On Wed, 19 Aug 2015, Jason Scott wrote: On Wed, 19 Aug 2015, William Donzelli wrote: In closing, I might ask you to consider taking your sweet time getting this stuff online. There are still some manual dealers out there. Let them handle the decline of their business in whatever way they see f

Re: VT100 keyboard (source?)

2015-08-19 Thread Paul Anderson
The cable for the RX01/02 to the various interfaces is the BC05L-15. Either cable will work on them. Paul On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:48 PM, Brent Hilpert wrote: > On 2015-Aug-19, at 2:17 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Brent Hilpert > wrote: > >> Would anyone have a

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

2015-08-19 Thread William Donzelli
> That is a most interesting metric. I honestly hadn't considered that issue. > The key, I think, will be communication with them to understand which > manuals have sales going on, and which ones it would be advantageous to get > online because they have long dropped into historical myths. Thank yo

VCF Midwest: Last Chance for Rooms

2015-08-19 Thread Jason T
Hello all - I thought they did this weeks ago but the VCFMW hotel has informed me that they still have the special rooms pricing block open. It will close "for real this time" at the end of the day this Friday the 21st. A rather humbling number of rooms have been reserved so far - well beyond our

DECmate I floppies (was Re: VT100 keyboard (source?))

2015-08-19 Thread Ethan Dicks
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 5:48 PM, Brent Hilpert wrote: > Thanks, that was a question I had been intending to ask, but to confirm: > If one obtained (as appropriate) bare RX01/2 floppy drive(s), it would > just be a matter of power supply for the floppies, and passive cabling > to interface the driv

Re: VT100 keyboard (source?)

2015-08-19 Thread Brent Hilpert
On 2015-Aug-19, at 2:17 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote: > On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Brent Hilpert wrote: >> Would anyone have a surplus-to-needs, or know of a source for, a VT100 >> keyboard? > > I have terminals and keyboards, but I don't know that I have more > working keyboards than working ter

Re: VT100 keyboard (source?)

2015-08-19 Thread Ethan Dicks
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Brent Hilpert wrote: > Would anyone have a surplus-to-needs, or know of a source for, a VT100 > keyboard? I have terminals and keyboards, but I don't know that I have more working keyboards than working terminals. > This would actually be for the DECmateI/VT278

VT100 keyboard (source?)

2015-08-19 Thread Brent Hilpert
Would anyone have a surplus-to-needs, or know of a source for, a VT100 keyboard? This would actually be for the DECmateI/VT278 I mentioned on the list a couple weeks ago, Rob and I are looking into doing something with it. Alternatively, does anyone know if there is any degree of signalling com

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

2015-08-19 Thread j...@cimmeri.com
On 8/19/2015 11:52 AM, Jason Scott wrote: In closing, I might ask you to consider taking your sweet time getting this stuff online. There are still some manual dealers out there. Let them handle the decline of their business in whatever way they see fit. All of them know it is just a matter of

Re: Analog to Digital Converter

2015-08-19 Thread Douglas Taylor
On 8/18/2015 7:01 PM, dwight wrote: Reading the note made me think of something else. If it is an SAR, and you read to soon, the LSBs of the incomplete conversion will always be the same. All ones or all zeros. If it is a Sigma-Delta, and the input has noise on it that is above the same rate, the

Re: MAINDEX-11 CZKMA Diagnostic?

2015-08-19 Thread Ben Sinclair
Thanks everyone! It's running right now, and seems to be passing, however the parity error LED on the board is lit. The docs mentioned that ZKMA's messages (plus the source) would lead me to a potential bad module, but it doesn't seem to be failing. VMJAB0 doesn't run at all on my system. It turn

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

2015-08-19 Thread Jason Scott
> In closing, I might ask you to consider taking your sweet time getting > this stuff online. There are still some manual dealers out there. Let > them handle the decline of their business in whatever way they see > fit. All of them know it is just a matter of time - probably five > years or less.

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

2015-08-19 Thread William Donzelli
> Actually, their collection was unique and contained a lot of material which > others' libraries (either dead tree or digital) do not contain. This year, I > purchased many one of a kind manuals from Manuals Plus for equipment ranging > from the 1940s to 1980s that I've had sitting around for 10-1

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

2015-08-19 Thread William Donzelli
> My being involved in this Manuals Plus project came as a result of a large > number of people telling me that Manuals Plus was going out of business and > that there were a number of documents and manuals that were, if not rare or > unique, definitely hard to find in good condition. Welcome to t

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

2015-08-19 Thread Tothwolf
On Wed, 19 Aug 2015, William Donzelli wrote: Are you serious? Jason is currently sweating his balls off trying to save at least a portion of a huge warehouse of unique documentation under an incredibly tight deadline. Just for the record, the Manuals Plus hoard is not, in any way, a bunch of

Re: MAINDEX-11 CZKMA Diagnostic?

2015-08-19 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2015-08-19 04:36, Ben Sinclair wrote: I'm again trying to debug my PDP-11/23, and I believe I'm having trouble with my M8067-LB/MSV-11 memory. According to the manual, there is a diagnostic program called CZKMA (for my 18-bit system), but I can't seem to find it. I have all of the xxdp image

Re: Probs w. M3119 CXY08 MUX on VAX VMS 7.3

2015-08-19 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2015-08-19 04:27, Jon Elson wrote: On 08/18/2015 01:00 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: The floating address space was pretty much there from the start for the Unibus, even before you had "large" systems. For most controllers, only the first one has a fixed address, and all others were assigned f

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

2015-08-19 Thread Jason Scott
Combining both of your posts in a response, William. My being involved in this Manuals Plus project came as a result of a large number of people telling me that Manuals Plus was going out of business and that there were a number of documents and manuals that were, if not rare or unique, definitely

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

2015-08-19 Thread Jason Scott
On Aug 18, 2015 11:54 PM, "Brent Hilpert" wrote: > > On 2015-Aug-18, at 6:58 PM, Guy Sotomayor wrote: > > On 8/18/15 6:35 PM, Shoppa, Tim wrote: > >>> IA saturates the channel. Jason and IA are deliberately working to redirect all search > >>> traffic to IA from the original mirrors by constantly

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

2015-08-19 Thread Jason Scott
There is currently a design and programming team looking to improve and redo the search interface. I've been seeing their design approaches go by on the internal channels as they revise it. I'm not sure when it all goes live, but an improved and more directed search is absolutely in the plans. On A