Re: [ccp4bb] Protein preps become a jelly

2011-09-18 Thread aidong
Dear Buddies, I truly appreciate many of you are so kind to spend your time in replying my email with a variety of suggestions regarding this strange problem. Most of you have pointed to oxidation damage. We tested quickly but high concentrations of DTT or TCEP including EDTA and/or glyc

Re: [ccp4bb] Protein preps become a jelly

2011-09-16 Thread Jacob Keller
I think I know another protein that does this: gelatin! (Well, not the crystallization part...) Jacob On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Phoebe Rice wrote: > Gamma delta resolvase catalytic domain stock solutions used to make a nice > clear jelly at 4 degrees, but it was perfectly reversible by w

Re: [ccp4bb] Protein preps become a jelly

2011-09-16 Thread Phoebe Rice
Gamma delta resolvase catalytic domain stock solutions used to make a nice clear jelly at 4 degrees, but it was perfectly reversible by warming the sample to room T. In fact, one mutant crystallized in the stock tube after a few trips in and out of the fridge. The crystals didn't diffract very

Re: [ccp4bb] Protein preps become a jelly

2011-09-05 Thread Hargreaves, David
Hi Aidong, I've seen this in protein samples that have been snap frozen then thawed on ice. Thawing at room temperature (or in the hand) stopped this state forming. Could temperature be the issue? Maybe try 10C or leave the samples on the bench for a while and see if the state is reversible? D

Re: [ccp4bb] Protein preps become a jelly

2011-08-30 Thread Michael Thompson
DTT), but unfortunately you may just have to work with the protein within a couple days of finishing the prep. Mike - Original Message - From: "Patrick Loll" To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 9:06:52 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [ccp4bb]

Re: [ccp4bb] Protein preps become a jelly

2011-08-30 Thread Prince, D Bryan
@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Protein preps become a jelly I have had protein crystals (so very high protein concentration) that turn into gummy bear-like objects, where instead of crumbling they are like, well, a gummy bear or a piece of rubber. I attributed it to oxidation or other

Re: [ccp4bb] Protein preps become a jelly

2011-08-30 Thread Patrick Loll
Certainly not unprecedented, or even that unusual (I remember making gels from BSA and IgG solutions during grad school rotations). Gel formation usually requires crosslinking, so consider whether you might be getting adventitious disulfide bond formation. Pat On 30 Aug 2011, at 11:31 AM, aido

Re: [ccp4bb] Protein preps become a jelly

2011-08-30 Thread Roger Rowlett
Not necessarily uncommon. To minimize protein-protein interactions that might be causing gelation, you might change the pH of the solution so that is is not close to the pI, use a small amount of chelator to sequester metal ions, and maintain a modest ionic streng

Re: [ccp4bb] Protein preps become a jelly

2011-08-30 Thread Laurie Betts
I have had protein crystals (so very high protein concentration) that turn into gummy bear-like objects, where instead of crumbling they are like, well, a gummy bear or a piece of rubber. I attributed it to oxidation or other chemical ageing processes. I am sure others will have suggestions for p