Re: [ccp4bb] effective iodide conc. for SAD data

2012-05-07 Thread Pete Meyer
James Holton wrote: In general, a Bijvoet ratio of 3% or so is needed to solve a structure (the current world record is 0.5% and lots of multiplicity). The above web page will also tell you how many crystals you need if you type in their size in all three dimensions. but this estimate assum

Re: [ccp4bb] effective iodide conc. for SAD data

2012-05-07 Thread James Holton
Jacob, The main reason why it is not common practice to saturate every crystal with every heavy metal under the sun is radiation damage. X-ray absorption increases very rapidly with atomic number (third power), so on the order of 100 mM of "heavy atom" is usually enough to cut your crystal'

Re: [ccp4bb] effective iodide conc. for SAD data

2012-05-03 Thread Rajesh Kumar
iodide conc. for SAD data To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Yes I did and could solve the structure by SAD. In total 8 I atoms found. 6 bound at anion binding sites. 2 as I2. None covalently bound to tyrosine. Florian Am 03.05.12 19:42, schrieb

Re: [ccp4bb] effective iodide conc. for SAD data

2012-05-03 Thread Florian Sauer
Yes I did and could solve the structure by SAD. In total 8 I atoms found. 6 bound at anion binding sites. 2 as I2. None covalently bound to tyrosine. Florian Am 03.05.12 19:42, schrieb Edward A. Berry: > Did you locate the Iodine(s)? Did you have iodotyrosine, or I^- bound > at anion binding si

Re: [ccp4bb] effective iodide conc. for SAD data

2012-05-03 Thread Edward A. Berry
Did you locate the Iodine(s)? Did you have iodotyrosine, or I^- bound at anion binding sites? There are two distinct methods based on I2/I-. Florian Sauer wrote: Dear Rajesh, another method to incorporate Iodine into your crystal is by simply placing a drop of KI/I2 solution next to the cryst

Re: [ccp4bb] effective iodide conc. for SAD data

2012-05-03 Thread Florian Sauer
Dear Rajesh, another method to incorporate Iodine into your crystal is by simply placing a drop of KI/I2 solution next to the crystallization drop. Have a look here: Acta Cryst. (2006). D62, 280-289 New methods to prepare iodinated derivatives by vaporizing iodine labelling (VIL) and hydrogen pe

Re: [ccp4bb] effective iodide conc. for SAD data

2012-05-03 Thread Jim Pflugrath
[CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] on behalf of Roger Rowlett [rrowl...@colgate.edu] Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 11:00 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] effective iodide conc. for SAD data Interesting idea. The only caveat that springs to mind is that the more useful anions (e.g., iodide and brom

Re: [ccp4bb] effective iodide conc. for SAD data

2012-05-03 Thread Roger Rowlett
Interesting idea. The only caveat that springs to mind is that the more useful anions (e.g., iodide and bromide) are on the chaotropic end of the Hofmeister series and may potentially destabilize protein structure or protein-protein interactions, which might complicate co-crystallization starti

Re: [ccp4bb] effective iodide conc. for SAD data

2012-05-03 Thread Jacob Keller
I have wondered for a long time now why it is not standard practice for all crystallization protein stocks to contain either Br- or I- ions instead of Cl-, even for cationic buffers like TRIS, which could be titrated with HBr or HI to get in the 10+ mM range. Also, one could use Cs or Rb for the ca

Re: [ccp4bb] effective iodide conc. for SAD data

2012-05-03 Thread Roger Rowlett
Rajesh, Why not try a soak-in-place by adding iodide and/or cryoprotectant directly to the crystallization drop? Then you only have to fish out the crystal once, minimizing handling. I usually do this by preparing an artificial mother liquor solution that has 125% of the final desired concent

Re: [ccp4bb] effective iodide conc. for SAD data

2012-05-03 Thread Jim Pflugrath
:51 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] effective iodide conc. for SAD data Dear All, I have very thin crystals but diffracting. I was not able to handle them easily for iodide soak. I always lost the crystals during manipulation and other big crystals obtained after seeding doesn&#

Re: [ccp4bb] effective iodide conc. for SAD data

2012-05-03 Thread Jan Abendroth
Hi Rajesh, it can be a bit all over the place: For quick soaks, we typically use 500mM-1000mM. A good starting point might be to simply replace the NaCl concentration in your protein buffer. By some serendipity we also managed to solve a structure by I/S SAD after a 1mM NaI soak. One iodide had

[ccp4bb] effective iodide conc. for SAD data

2012-05-03 Thread Rajesh Kumar
Dear All, I have very thin crystals but diffracting. I was not able to handle them easily for iodide soak. I always lost the crystals during manipulation and other big crystals obtained after seeding doesn't even give any diffraction. I tried for co-crystallizing with NaI. The crystals appear o