Re: [ccp4bb] bulk solvent treatment inside protein cavities

2012-04-17 Thread Ed Pozharski
On Tue, 2012-04-17 at 11:08 +0200, Dirk Kostrewa wrote: > The mask bulk solvent correction is more powerful Just to note that sometimes Babinet solvent correction returns lower Rfree and thus may be preferred to mask (assuming that the Rfree is the only thing that matters). Beginning with 5.6.007

Re: [ccp4bb] bulk solvent treatment inside protein cavities

2012-04-17 Thread Dirk Kostrewa
Dear Allister Crow, in cases like these, I would recommend to apply the Babinet bulk solvent correction instead of the mask bulk solvent correction as a control (Refmac5 -> Scaling -> Use Babinet scaling; uncheck "Calculcate the contribution from the solvent region"). The Babinet bulk solvent

Re: [ccp4bb] bulk solvent treatment inside protein cavities

2012-04-16 Thread Garib N Murshudov
On 16 Apr 2012, at 17:14, Keitaro Yamashita wrote: > Dear Garib, > > I think it is better if refmac outputs final solvent mask when mskout > specified. > If one just wanted to calculate the mask, NCYC 0 should be specified. > > I hope my suggestion would be accepted, but I'm not in a hurry. o

Re: [ccp4bb] bulk solvent treatment inside protein cavities

2012-04-16 Thread Keitaro Yamashita
Dear Garib, I think it is better if refmac outputs final solvent mask when mskout specified. If one just wanted to calculate the mask, NCYC 0 should be specified. I hope my suggestion would be accepted, but I'm not in a hurry. > FC_ALL is ML scaled FC+FMASK > > Sometime it may be different from

Re: [ccp4bb] bulk solvent treatment inside protein cavities

2012-04-16 Thread Garib N Murshudov
Dear Ketaro At the moment mskout option is a signal that the program should stop. Obviously I can add an option to continue. However if you have mskout option it is likely that you want to check what is going on with the mask. If you want to compare starting and final mask then you could run re

Re: [ccp4bb] bulk solvent treatment inside protein cavities

2012-04-16 Thread Keitaro Yamashita
Dear Garib, Thank you very much for your quick reply. I tried mskout option and the output looked almost the same as the map generated by FC_ALL - FC. By the way, when mskout option is specified, refmac stops before CGMAT cycles. Is there any way to do refinement with mskout option? > I have n

Re: [ccp4bb] bulk solvent treatment inside protein cavities

2012-04-16 Thread Tallat Hussain Ghazi
16, 2012 7:09 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] bulk solvent treatment inside protein cavities Dear Garib, Is there REFMAC option to output solvent mask information (e.g. Fmask and PHImask in mtz to check with Coot)? I tried to generate it by subtracting (FC, PHIC) from (FC_ALL,

Re: [ccp4bb] bulk solvent treatment inside protein cavities

2012-04-16 Thread Garib N Murshudov
A follow up: In the new version there is FC_ALL_LS, PHIC_ALL_LS That should be FC_ALL_LS = FC + FMASK. I have not tried but if you can use vector difference map then it should be: FMASK = FC_ALL_LS - FC But it is after scaling. If you write out mask map then it is just 0 1 map (0 inside prot

Re: [ccp4bb] bulk solvent treatment inside protein cavities

2012-04-16 Thread Garib N Murshudov
Yes there is. If you use command line (it is not available on the ccp4i yet). If you run with command lines refmac5 mskout < Dear Garib, > > Is there REFMAC option to output solvent mask information (e.g. Fmask > and PHImask in mtz to check with Coot)? > > I tried to generate it by subtractin

Re: [ccp4bb] bulk solvent treatment inside protein cavities

2012-04-16 Thread Keitaro Yamashita
Dear Garib, Is there REFMAC option to output solvent mask information (e.g. Fmask and PHImask in mtz to check with Coot)? I tried to generate it by subtracting (FC, PHIC) from (FC_ALL,PHIC_ALL). But I'm not sure that FC_ALL = FC + FMASK is correct or not. Keitaro 2012/4/16 Garib N Murshudov :

Re: [ccp4bb] bulk solvent treatment inside protein cavities

2012-04-16 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Oh dear - this is the version of Refmac in the latest ccp4 release - can this be updated on the web site as soon as possible ? Eleanor On 16 April 2012 12:02, Garib N Murshudov wrote: > Dear Allister > > Could you please update refmac version. In the version you it seems that > bulk solvent mask

Re: [ccp4bb] bulk solvent treatment inside protein cavities

2012-04-16 Thread Garib N Murshudov
Dear Allister Could you please update refmac version. In the version you it seems that bulk solvent mask calculation has some problems. New version (at the moment) can be downloaded from this site: http://www.ysbl.york.ac.uk/refmac/data/refmac_experimental/refmac5.7_linux.tar.gz There is a mac