Dear Garib,

Thank you very much for your quick reply.

I tried mskout option and the output looked almost the same as the map
generated by FC_ALL - FC.

By the way, when mskout option is specified, refmac stops before CGMAT cycles.
Is there any way to do refinement with mskout option?


> I have not tried but if you can use vector difference map then it should be:
> FMASK = FC_ALL_LS - FC

What is FC_ALL in the new version?


Thanks,

Keitaro


2012/4/16 Garib N Murshudov <ga...@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk>:
> A follow up:
>
> In the new version there is FC_ALL_LS, PHIC_ALL_LS
>
> That should be FC_ALL_LS = FC + FMASK.
>
> I have not tried but if you can use vector difference map then it should be:
> FMASK = FC_ALL_LS - FC
>
> But it is after scaling. If you write out mask map then it is just 0 1 map
> (0 inside protein and 1 outside), except values are not 0 1 but 0 and some
> constant
>
>
>
> Regards
> Garib
>
>
> On 16 Apr 2012, at 15:09, Keitaro Yamashita wrote:
>
> Dear Garib,
>
> Is there REFMAC option to output solvent mask information (e.g. Fmask
> and PHImask in mtz to check with Coot)?
>
> I tried to generate it by subtracting (FC, PHIC) from (FC_ALL,PHIC_ALL).
> But I'm not sure that FC_ALL = FC + FMASK is correct or not.
>
> Keitaro
>
>
> 2012/4/16 Garib N Murshudov <ga...@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk>:
>
> Dear Allister
>
>
> Could you please update refmac version. In the version you it seems that
>
> bulk solvent mask calculation has some problems. New version (at the moment)
>
> can be downloaded from this site:
>
>
> http://www.ysbl.york.ac.uk/refmac/data/refmac_experimental/refmac5.7_linux.tar.gz
>
>
> There is a mac version also.
>
>
>
> regards
>
> Garib
>
>
>
> On 16 Apr 2012, at 11:37, Allister Crow wrote:
>
>
>
> Board members,
>
>
> I have a couple of questions regarding how to improve the solvent model as
>
> applied to solvent-filled cavities inside proteins.
>
>
> I am currently nearing the end of refinement of a protein structure at 2.8 A
>
> resolution.  I recently switched Refmac versions, upon doing this I noticed
>
> a modest improvement in R factors, but I also notice some new features in
>
> the difference maps.  These features don't show up in the sigma-weighted
>
> 2Fo-Fc maps and are unlikely to be 'ligands' of any form.  In fact, I
>
> suspect that the appearance of these features (which are all located in
>
> solvent channels within cavities inside the protein) are probably due to
>
> some difference in how the bulk solvent contribution has been applied.
>
>
> I've attached a picture of one such feature showing the difference between
>
> Refmac 5.5 and 5.6.  (Both difference maps are contoured at 3 sigma- both
>
> using the same model and refinement parameters).
>
>
> My questions are therefore:
>
>
> 1) has something substantial changed in the bulk solvent treatment between
>
> Refmac versions 5.5 and 5.6?
>
>
> 2) How can I go about changing the bulk solvent treatment to better account
>
> for solvent contribution inside the protein cavities?
>
>
> Best wishes, and thanks in advance for all your help,
>
>
> - Allister Crow
>
>
>
> <bulk_solvent_inside_cavities.png>
>
>
>
>
> Dr Garib N Murshudov
>
> Group Leader, MRC Laboratory of Molecular Biology
>
> Hills Road
>
> Cambridge
>
> CB2 0QH UK
>
> Email: ga...@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dr Garib N Murshudov
> Group Leader, MRC Laboratory of Molecular Biology
> Hills Road
> Cambridge
> CB2 0QH UK
> Email: ga...@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk
> Web http://www.mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk
>
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>
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