[ccp4bb] a question on presenting 3-D crystal structure in the paper

2012-06-06 Thread Acoot Brett
Dear All,   I want to use dash line to present the salt bridge in a crystal structure in the paper publication, for example the salt bridge formed between Glu (OE1 and OE2) and Lys (terminal N). Do you suggest I only draw a single dashed line between the terminal N of the Lys and the closer ato

Re: [ccp4bb] sigma levels of averaged maps in coot ( or e/A3)

2012-06-06 Thread Dale Tronrud
I'm afraid I seriously mistrust the sigma and e/A^3 numbers reported by Coot for ncs averaged maps. I work with a crystal with near perfect 6-fold ncs and the e/A^3 numbers make no sense. For a 2Fo-Fc style map the e/A^3 values should be nearly the same after as before. They are not. The

Re: [ccp4bb] ligand geometry evaluation

2012-06-06 Thread Genevieve Evans
Hi Ivan, I'm not sure which version of phenix you are using, but in 1.7.3-928 GUI restraints are generated for metals using the "ReadySet". ReadySet creates a file called your_pdb_file_name.metal.edits. The file I generated gave standard deviations to bond lengths of 0.05-0.25. Prior to gener

Re: [ccp4bb] 3D projector--LG CF3D

2012-06-06 Thread Sabuj Pattanayek
ohh this is a passive stereo projector. what's the distance from the projector to the screen? On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Min, Xiaoshan wrote: > Hi CCP4, > > I am curious if anyone has setup 3D-projector for large conference room.  We > have a LG CF3D projector and it is coupled to a Linux

[ccp4bb] 3D projector--LG CF3D

2012-06-06 Thread Min, Xiaoshan
Hi CCP4, I am curious if anyone has setup 3D-projector for large conference room. We have a LG CF3D projector and it is coupled to a Linux machine with Nvidia Quadro FX 3800. We haven't been able to get 3D working. If someone has experience with this projector, could you share the setting on

Re: [ccp4bb] sigma levels of averaged maps in coot ( or e/A3)

2012-06-06 Thread Paul Emsley
On 06/06/12 21:47, Ursula Schulze-Gahmen wrote: I calculated threefold averaged omit maps in coot. These maps look nice and clean, but I am having trouble making sense of the displayed sigma levels or e/A3 values. When I display the unaveraged and averaged maps at a similar density level for th

Re: [ccp4bb] sigma levels of averaged maps in coot ( or e/A3)

2012-06-06 Thread Pavel Afonine
Ursula, please don't forget that you are looking at Fourier image of electron density distribution, which may be as different from the true electron density distribution as different from zero the F000 reflection and as different your Fobs data set from being 100% complete for all possible reflect

Re: [ccp4bb] Fun Question - Is multiple isomorphous replacement an obsolete technique?

2012-06-06 Thread Victor Lamzin
I can only confirm what Alex said. And the structure was neither a globin or zyme or psin! Victor Quoting aaleshin : I and Victor Lamzin solved our first protein structure (3A resolution) in 80-s using pure MIR and a home made (Russian) diffractometer... Alex On Jun 6, 2012, at 1:42 P

Re: [ccp4bb] Fun Question - Is multiple isomorphous replacement an obsolete technique?

2012-06-06 Thread aaleshin
I and Victor Lamzin solved our first protein structure (3A resolution) in 80-s using pure MIR and a home made (Russian) diffractometer... Alex On Jun 6, 2012, at 1:42 PM, Boaz Shaanan wrote: > So if get the gist of the thread right, am I correct in assuming that the > last protein structures t

Re: [ccp4bb] Fun Question - Is multiple isomorphous replacement an obsolete technique?

2012-06-06 Thread Boaz Shaanan
MIRAS doesn't count, only MIR (If I understand the original question correctly). Boaz Boaz Shaanan, Ph.D. Dept. of Life Sciences Ben-Gurion University of the Negev Beer-Sheva 84105 Israel E-mail: bshaa...@bgu.ac.il Phone: 972-8-647-2220 Skype: boaz.shaanan Fax: 972-8-647-2992 or 972-8

Re: [ccp4bb] Fun Question - Is multiple isomorphous replacement an obsolete technique?

2012-06-06 Thread Santarsiero, Bernard D.
No, I listed a few recent ones V. Gaur, et al., Plant Physiol., 152(4), 1842-1850 (2010) O. Antipova, J Biol Chem. 2010 Mar 5;285(10):7087-96. Epub 2010 Jan 6. Y. Nakajima, J Bacteriol. 2008 Dec;190(23):7819-29. Epub 2008 Sep 26. S. Stayrook, Nature. 2008 Apr 24;452(7190):1022-5. Many MIRAS,

Re: [ccp4bb] Fun Question - Is multiple isomorphous replacement an obsolete technique?

2012-06-06 Thread Boaz Shaanan
So if get the gist of the thread right, am I correct in assuming that the last protein structures to be solved strictly by MIR are haemoglobin/myoglobin, lysozyme and chymotrypsin and perhaps one or two more in the late sixties? In which case the answer to the original question about MIR being

Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: [ccp4bb] Fun Question - Is multiple isomorphous replacement an obsolete technique?

2012-06-06 Thread Michael Thompson
While neither of these references detail the "development" of protein crystallography, they are excellent stories of its birth: 1.) A book written by Richard Dickerson, "Present at the flood" 2.) A recent review in JMB by Strandberg, Dickerson, and Rossmann: "50 years of Protein Structure Analy

Re: [ccp4bb] Fun Question - Is multiple isomorphous replacement an obsolete technique?

2012-06-06 Thread Bernhard Rupp (Hofkristallrat a.D.)
Given Cu, yes, the five M edges between 2.3keV and 3.6keV contribute a continuum transition signal of the 8e- you initially referred to. -Original Message- From: Jacob Keller [mailto:j-kell...@fsm.northwestern.edu] Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 12:35 PM To: b...@hofkristallamt.org Cc:

Re: [ccp4bb] Fun Question - Is multiple isomorphous replacement an obsolete technique?

2012-06-06 Thread Katherine Sippel
It would be helpful if I finished my own sentences. As an aside for those who feel that capillary mounting is a lost art among the newer generation I assure you it isn't. All you need is a busted cryo system and a crystal backlog to get past the intimidation factor. Katherine On Wed, Jun 6, 2012

Re: [ccp4bb] Fun Question - Is multiple isomorphous replacement an obsolete technique?

2012-06-06 Thread Katherine Sippel
>From personal and recent experience I've solved a structure using only iodine anomalous at Cu K-alpha from a RT crystal (a capillary mounted one at that). The anomalous signal from iodine is surprisingly robust on a home source even at room temp. Katherine As an aside for those who feel that cap

[ccp4bb] sigma levels of averaged maps in coot ( or e/A3)

2012-06-06 Thread Ursula Schulze-Gahmen
I calculated threefold averaged omit maps in coot. These maps look nice and clean, but I am having trouble making sense of the displayed sigma levels or e/A3 values. When I display the unaveraged and averaged maps at a similar density level for the protein the unaveraged map is at 0.024 e/A3 and 2.

Re: [ccp4bb] Fun Question - Is multiple isomorphous replacement an obsolete technique?

2012-06-06 Thread Dyda
Just for clarification: I didn't try to claim that there was no anomalous signal, simply that in some cases it was difficult use it, because the data weren't that great. fred *** Fred Dyda, Ph.D.

Re: [ccp4bb] Fun Question - Is multiple isomorphous replacement an obsolete technique?

2012-06-06 Thread Gerard Bricogne
Dear Jacob, What I meant was that I thought it was a pleasant surprise to see that there was enough anomalous signal at all in these noisy data (which were collected from several crystals, suffering from radiation damage at room temperature, from sizeable absorption effects etc.) to get a ref

Re: [ccp4bb] Fun Question - Is multiple isomorphous replacement an obsolete technique?

2012-06-06 Thread Jacob Keller
But the edges for I and Hg are pretty far from CuKa (see attached). I am familiar with their being extra signal (white lines) very close to the peak, but not so far away JPK On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Bernhard Rupp (Hofkristallrat a.D.) wrote: > There is also a relevant point from the

Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: [ccp4bb] Fun Question - Is multiple isomorphous replacement an obsolete technique?

2012-06-06 Thread Jim Pflugrath
And for more Personal Reflections, one may wish to take a gander at the Rigaku Webinar series with presentations by Brian Matthews and Michael G. Rossmann. Jim From: CCP4 bulletin board [CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] on behalf of Carter, Charlie [car...@med.unc.edu] S

[ccp4bb] Beamtime @ SLS

2012-06-06 Thread Meitian Wang
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Re: [ccp4bb] Fun Question - Is multiple isomorphous replacement an obsolete technique?

2012-06-06 Thread Bernhard Rupp (Hofkristallrat a.D.)
There is also a relevant point from the physics of the absorption spectra - the XANES white lines (near edge peaks higher than the continuum transition or edge step) depend on the chemical environment of the anomalous atom in terms of available unoccupied states (which n. b. is something entirely d

[ccp4bb] Fwd: [ccp4bb] Fun Question - Is multiple isomorphous replacement an obsolete technique?

2012-06-06 Thread Carter, Charlie
Begin forwarded message: Date: June 6, 2012 3:05:16 PM EDT To: aaleshin mailto:aales...@burnham.org>> Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Fun Question - Is multiple isomorphous replacement an obsolete technique? There are four such papers in Methods in Enzymology, Vols 368 and 374: David Blow: How Bijvoet

Re: [ccp4bb] Fun Question - Is multiple isomorphous replacement an obsolete technique?

2012-06-06 Thread Bernhard Rupp (Hofkristallrat a.D.)
Richard Dickerson's book is relevant and gripping reading http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0878931686?ie=UTF8&tag=brscrystallot-20&lin kCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=0878931686 BR -Original Message- From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of a

Re: [ccp4bb] Fun Question - Is multiple isomorphous replacement an obsolete technique?

2012-06-06 Thread Jacob Keller
No offense taken (we all have our dour moments!), but grant me a sincere question: the f" occupancy value would have been just as close at 11 as 5 if the true value were 8, am I correct? In other words, do you imply by saying "doing well" that you got as *much* as 5, or that you got as *close* as 5

Re: [ccp4bb] Fun Question - Is multiple isomorphous replacement an obsolete technique?

2012-06-06 Thread aaleshin
I wonder if anyone attempted to write a historic book on development of crystallography. That generation of crystallographers is leaving this world and soon nobody will be able to say how the protein and non-protein structures were solved in those days. Alex On Jun 6, 2012, at 8:48 AM, Gerard

Re: [ccp4bb] Fun Question - Is multiple isomorphous replacement an obsolete technique?

2012-06-06 Thread Gerard Bricogne
Dear Jacob and all, I realise that my last statement sounds awfully dour and dismissive, in a way I really didn't intend. Especially as Stefan's original posting was a "Fun Question". Apologies to all for this over-the-top statement. I enjoyed a lot of the replies. With

[ccp4bb] postdoctoral position in protein crystallography

2012-06-06 Thread Ed Pozharski
A postdoctoral position is available at the University of Maryland, Baltimore, in the Department of Pharmaceutical Sciences. Prior experience in crystallography is NOT required, only willingness to learn the method. Strong background in molecular biology techniques and/or biophysical methods will

Re: [ccp4bb] Fun Question - Is multiple isomorphous replacement an obsolete technique?

2012-06-06 Thread Gerard Bricogne
Dear Jacob, I thought that getting 5 for each iodine was doing pretty well, given the circumstances - e.g. the noisy measurements, the primitive software running on slow computers with tiny amounts of memory, etc. . In any case my main point, directed at the original poster, was that r

Re: [ccp4bb] Fun Question - Is multiple isomorphous replacement an obsolete technique?

2012-06-06 Thread Jacob Keller
...Even with such primitive techniques, I can remember an HgI4 > derivative in which you could safely refine the "anomalous occupancies" > (i.e. f" values) for the iodine atoms of the beautiful planar HgI3 anion to > 5 electrons. I am surprised--f"'s of I and Hg are supposed to be around 8 for CuK

Re: [ccp4bb] Fun Question - Is multiple isomorphous replacement an obsolete technique?

2012-06-06 Thread Santarsiero, Bernard D.
Remember that it's all relative to the length of the FP vector. If your FP vector is small, then the f" component can substantially change the phase, even with a small f" component. So if you have measured a number of relatively weak reflections with minimal error, there is a substantial anomalous

Re: [ccp4bb] Fun Question - Is multiple isomorphous replacement an obsolete technique?

2012-06-06 Thread Gerard Bricogne
Dear Fred, May I join Phil Evans in trying to dissipate the feeling that anomalous differences were fictional before flash-freezing and all the mod cons. I can remember cutting my teeth as a PhD student by helping Alan Wonacott with the experimental phasing of his B.St. GAPDH structure in 197

[ccp4bb] CSHL X-ray Methods in Structural Biology Course Oct 15-30, 2012: Application deadline June 15th

2012-06-06 Thread Jim Pflugrath
Once again I wanted to draw everyone's attention to the Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory 2012 X-ray Methods in Structural Biology course which will take place October 15 through October 30, 2012. The official course announcement is here: http://meetings.cshl.edu/courses/c-crys12.shtml I think the

Re: [ccp4bb] Fun Question - Is multiple isomorphous replacement an obsolete technique?

2012-06-06 Thread Hong Zhang
Even today, we still try to soak existing native protein crystals with heavy atoms at the same time while SeMet substituted protein is prepared. Nearly half of the times, we are able to solve the structure with HA (always SIRAS) before we have the SeMet protein. A recent example: Structure. 200

Re: [ccp4bb] Fun Question - Is multiple isomorphous replacement an obsolete technique?

2012-06-06 Thread Felix Frolow
Bijvoet - 1949 ! FF Dr Felix Frolow Professor of Structural Biology and Biotechnology Department of Molecular Microbiology and Biotechnology Tel Aviv University 69978, Israel Acta Crystallographica F, co-editor e-mail: mbfro...@post.tau.ac.il Tel: ++972-3640-8723 Fax: ++972-3640-9407 Cellular

Re: [ccp4bb] Fun Question - Is multiple isomorphous replacement an obsolete technique?

2012-06-06 Thread Jacob Keller
I think some have used anomalous signals since the 1930s-40s, e.g., Bijvoet! JPK On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Ronald E Stenkamp wrote: > There were a number of labs using anomalous dispersion for phasing 40 years > ago.  The theory for using it dates from the 60s.  And careful experimental >

Re: [ccp4bb] Fun Question - Is multiple isomorphous replacement an obsolete technique?

2012-06-06 Thread Ronald E Stenkamp
There were a number of labs using anomalous dispersion for phasing 40 years ago. The theory for using it dates from the 60s. And careful experimental technique allowed the structure solution of several proteins before 1980 using what would be labeled now as SIRAS. Ron On Wed, 6 Jun 2012, Dy

Re: [ccp4bb] Fun Question - Is multiple isomorphous replacement an obsolete technique?

2012-06-06 Thread Felix Frolow
Anomalous signal even with room temperature capillary data was measurable on diffractometers and early area detectors. However there were misspellings in software packages such as sending anomalous phase 90deg into the wrong direction in one of them or others. After in-house editing, anomalous

Re: [ccp4bb] Fun Question - Is multiple isomorphous replacement an obsolete technique?

2012-06-06 Thread Jacob Keller
> I suspect that there was a time when the anomalous signal in data sets was > fictional. > Before the invent of flash freezing, systematic errors due to decay and the > need > of scaling together many derivative data sets collected on multiple crystals > could render > weak anomalous signal use

Re: [ccp4bb] Fun Question - Is multiple isomorphous replacement an obsolete technique?

2012-06-06 Thread Phil Evans
No they were not useless! I used them (probably better now with cryo data though) Phil On 6 Jun 2012, at 16:02, Dyda wrote: >> I suspect that pure MIR (without anomalous) was always a fiction. I doubt >> that anyone has ever used it. Heavy atoms always give >> an anomalous signal > >> Phil >

Re: [ccp4bb] Fun Question - Is multiple isomorphous replacement an obsolete technique?

2012-06-06 Thread Dyda
>I suspect that pure MIR (without anomalous) was always a fiction. I doubt that >anyone has ever used it. Heavy atoms always give >an anomalous signal >Phil I suspect that there was a time when the anomalous signal in data sets was fictional. Before the invent of flash freezing, systematic erro

Re: [ccp4bb] Fun Question - Is multiple isomorphous replacement an obsolete technique?

2012-06-06 Thread p...@uni-greifswald.de
One could consider RIP (phasing using radiation induced damage) as SIR technique. At short wavelengths ( Hey! > > I was just wondering, do you know of any recent (~10y) publication that presented a structure solution solely based on MIR? Without the use of any anomalous signal of some sort?   >

Re: [ccp4bb] Fun Question - Is multiple isomorphous replacement an obsolete technique?

2012-06-06 Thread Phil Evans
I suspect that pure MIR (without anomalous) was always a fiction. I doubt that anyone has ever used it. Heavy atoms always give an anomalous signal Phil On 6 Jun 2012, at 03:55, Stefan Gajewski wrote: > Hey! > > I was just wondering, do you know of any recent (~10y) publication that > presen