Re: [ccp4bb] P21, twinned date & NCS refinement

2012-03-27 Thread Pavel Afonine
Hi Jürgen, in phenix.refine I would do: phenix.refine [PDB] [mtz] twin_law="h,-k,-l" main.ncs=true ncs.type=torsion (or equivalent using the GUI). Note, "ncs.type=torsion" will use the new NCS handling machinery that takes care of NCS automatically with no need the user to provide definitions f

Re: [ccp4bb] REFMAC5 residues with bad geometry

2012-03-27 Thread Bernhard Rupp (Hofkristallrat a.D.)
> the liberty being offered is not so dangerous Parameter-wise, true, - if it is understood that you are now *modeling with little evidence*. How much electron density to affirm your model choices would one expect at say 7 ideal rotamers - which on top of static split will likely display dynamic

Re: [ccp4bb] REFMAC5 residues with bad geometry

2012-03-27 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Tuesday, March 27, 2012 04:35:40 pm Bernhard Rupp (Hofkristallrat a.D.) wrote: > >phenix.refine allows any number of alternate conformers. > > Hmm. quoting our old friends from the validation circuit: Where freedom > is given, liberties will be taken True, but... [warning: back of t

Re: [ccp4bb] REFMAC5 residues with bad geometry

2012-03-27 Thread Bernhard Rupp (Hofkristallrat a.D.)
>phenix.refine allows any number of alternate conformers. Hmm. quoting our old friends from the validation circuit: Where freedom is given, liberties will be taken BR

Re: [ccp4bb] REFMAC5 residues with bad geometry

2012-03-27 Thread Paul Adams
Hi James, my understanding is that phenix.refine allows any number of alternate conformers. There may have been a limit of 4 some time in the past, but no longer. So your idea could be tested. Cheers, Paul On Mar 27, 2012, at 12:33 PM, James Holton wrote: > Try this: > > 1) tak

Re: [ccp4bb] Substituting zero vs. Fc for unobserved reflections

2012-03-27 Thread Craig Bingman
I would be concerned about the completeness of the data if adding Fcalc values has such a large effect on the appearance of this electron density.

Re: [ccp4bb] P21, twinned date & NCS refinement

2012-03-27 Thread Garib N Murshudov
Unless you have very good reason it is better to use highest possible space group (without going over). Then you do not have problem of related reflections and covariances between them, If you go to P1 then reflection will be related with crystallographic as well as NCS as well as twin "symmetr

Re: [ccp4bb] P21, twinned date & NCS refinement

2012-03-27 Thread Garib N Murshudov
I would say that you should use ncs restraints in any case. NCS relates atoms and twin relates intensities. In some sense presence of twinning reduces information contents (in the limiting case the number of (effective) observervations becomes twice less) of the data and using NCS decreases the

Re: [ccp4bb] P21, twinned date & NCS refinement

2012-03-27 Thread Bosch, Juergen
Thanks Garib for your input. And yes we do see some split spots. We used XDS to overcome (I hope) most problems but still intensities of perfectly overlapping reflections will be too large. Would you think it's safer to integrate the data in P1 as symmetry mates will not be merged and then solve

Re: [ccp4bb] Substituting zero vs. Fc for unobserved reflections

2012-03-27 Thread Ethan Merritt
[Snipped from the full message, which is appended below] > The program that kept showing me two forms bound was not > substituting Fcalc for unobserved reflections. So, I turned on the option > to substitute Fcalc, and the minor form disappeared � the density looked > like it did in the second pro

[ccp4bb] P21, twinned date & NCS refinement

2012-03-27 Thread Bosch, Juergen
Dear CCP4BBers and PhenixBBers (cross posting here, since we all read both anyhow) to the experts out there here's my question: We have a P21 dataset with 2 molecules in the asu and a refined twin fraction of 38% according to phenix.refine using a twin law operator. My gut feeling tells me tha

[ccp4bb] Substituting zero vs. Fc for unobserved reflections

2012-03-27 Thread Gregg Crichlow
Please excuse me for bringing up an old issue. I have an interesting example of a difference seen when DFc was substituted for missing reflections versus when it wasn¹t. Maybe others had this experience. I had a structure in which the electron density showed two Œoverlapping¹ ligands bound in the

Re: [ccp4bb] REFMAC5 residues with bad geometry

2012-03-27 Thread James Holton
Try this: 1) take your favorite PDB file and set all the B factors to ~80 (reduces series-termination errors) 2) use sfall/fft in CCP4 to calculate structure factors to 4A resolution 3) use sftools to add a "SIGF" column (0.1 will do) to make refmac5 happy 4) refine the "perfect" model against

Re: [ccp4bb] Unable to reproduce robot tray hits in hand trays

2012-03-27 Thread Patrick Shaw Stewart
Hi Matt Rajesh asked a similar question last week, below Essentially, you have to *reduce *the protein concentration when you scale up because you lose proportionally more protein from smaller drops. This usually works very well and we see no reason to use more than 0.3 + 0.3 for initial screeni

Re: [ccp4bb] COOT Real Space Refinement keyboard shortcut??

2012-03-27 Thread Ed Pozharski
I suspect Chris is asking for the shortcut to the zone refinement button, i.e. invoking the manual zone selection. Not sure if there is a scripting way to do this, nothing obvious. On Tue, 2012-03-27 at 17:03 +0100, Debreczeni, Judit wrote: > Yes, look here: > > http://strucbio.biologie.uni-kons

Re: [ccp4bb] COOT Real Space Refinement keyboard shortcut??

2012-03-27 Thread Debreczeni, Judit
Yes, look here: http://strucbio.biologie.uni-konstanz.de/ccp4wiki/index.php/Coot#Example_11:_Paul_Emsley.27s_Key_Bindings and the key bindings for r, x, t, R. JED. > -- AstraZeneca UK Limited is a company incorporated i

Re: [ccp4bb] dea all

2012-03-27 Thread Kevin Jin
I guess you already run SDS-PAGE to check the pellets before and after sonication. Not only the media. On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 7:35 AM, rana ibd wrote: > Dear all > I am expressing a 6xHis tagged in a dHBx protein in E.coli BL21 using LB > madia, I am having problems with the expression which sho

[ccp4bb] FW: For 24 well Netxal plates (non ccp4 question) ==>> SUMMARY

2012-03-27 Thread Mathews, Irimpan I.
Hi Brad, See below my attempts on this in 2010. Regards, Mathews -Original Message- From: Mathews, Irimpan I. Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 8:23 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: RE: For 24 well Netxal plates (non ccp4 question) ==>> SUMMARY Dear All, Thank you for the several respon

Re: [ccp4bb] dea all

2012-03-27 Thread Kelly Daughtry
When you lyse the cells and spin down cellular debris, is the pellet large and white (indicating inclusion bodies)? Is your protein soluble or membrane? What temperature did you use for expression? What vector are you using? Providing more details allows us to better answer your questions. Off the

Re: [ccp4bb] 24 well screw-cap crystallization plates

2012-03-27 Thread Pascal Egea
Hi Brad, I am afraid that there is no alternate source for these plates. The screw cap system , I believe, was patented by the canadian company NEXTAL that was then assimilated by Q...N and the patent is probably still holding. Pascal -- Pascal F. Egea, PhD Assistant Professor UCLA, David Geff

Re: [ccp4bb] Clustal omega

2012-03-27 Thread Jayashankar
Dear Tim, Thanks, The Jalview, output to textbox in PIR worked thr trick. S.Jayashankar Research Student Institute for Biophysical Chemistry Hannover Medical School Germany. On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Tim Gruene wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Dear Jayashank

[ccp4bb] granular precipitate

2012-03-27 Thread anita p
Hi All, I have set up initial screen in hanging drop trays with a protein of theoritical pI of 8.5. The protein is in acetate buffer 10mM, KCl 100mM and 2% glycerol pH 5 . In 85-90% of the conditions I see granular precipitate in 1 day. I tried to open the coverslip, and touch few drops, They had a

[ccp4bb] 24 well screw-cap crystallization plates

2012-03-27 Thread Brad Bennett
Hi all- So far, I have not been a fan of Qiagen's decision to revamp the 24 well Nextal crystallization plates with screw caps to 15 well plates without a top cover plate. I know that it is less plastic and now a standard SBS footprint but IMHO it is rather flimsy and harder to handle than the orig

[ccp4bb] dea all

2012-03-27 Thread rana ibd
Dear all I am expressing a 6xHis tagged in a dHBx protein in E.coli BL21 using LB madia, I am having problems with the expression which shows small amount of the protein , I also have problems with purification using NI-NTA by also having small amount even after extensive buffer exchange , Is i

[ccp4bb] COOT Real Space Refinement keyboard shortcut??

2012-03-27 Thread Christopher Browning
Hi, I was wondering whether there was a way to assign a keyboard shortcut to the real space refine button in COOT. Atleast this way one does not have to keep looking back to where the real space refine button is to click it if you want to carry out the refinement. Cheers, Chris -- Dr. Chris

Re: [ccp4bb] Coot set-refine-max-residues

2012-03-27 Thread Ed Pozharski
works here on 0.7-pre-1 rev 3713 so try downloading the latest version if yours is <3713 On Tue, 2012-03-27 at 14:50 +0100, Morten Grøftehauge wrote: > set-refine-max-residues -- Oh, suddenly throwing a giraffe into a volcano to make water is crazy?

[ccp4bb] Coot set-refine-max-residues

2012-03-27 Thread Morten Grøftehauge
Hi ccp4bb, I've been having trouble with Coot. Specifically the scripting to change the maximum number of residues to refine. So if I try to refine more than 20 residues I get this neat little warning message in the terminal: WARNING:: Hit heuristic fencepost! Too many residues to refine

Re: [ccp4bb] Clustal omega

2012-03-27 Thread Tim Gruene
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear Jayashankar, sorry, you did explain this in your model and I flipped clustalo with clustalw. Even though when I used the option '-convert', clustalw does not re-align the input but simply converts it, so in case it can read the clustalo output, t

Re: [ccp4bb] Clustal omega

2012-03-27 Thread Jayashankar
Dear Tim, I try to model a full length protein based on various domains solved already. In that case, alignment of multiple sequence should approximately locate to the corresponding domain region. Clustalw results in an unexpected alignment file. Whereas the output from clustal omega is perfect a

Re: [ccp4bb] Clustal omega

2012-03-27 Thread Tim Gruene
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear S. Jayashankar, have you tried the clustalw options '-convert -output=PIR'? This should result in a pir-formatted output file. Tim On 03/27/12 10:18, Jayashankar wrote: > Dear All, > > A bit offtopic question, > > Does any body know how can I

[ccp4bb] COURSE ANNOUNCEMENT - BIOCRYS 2012

2012-03-27 Thread Colin McVey
Dear colleagues, On behalf of the organizers, Maria Armenia Carrondo and Thomas R. Schneider I have the following course announcement: *COURSE ANNOUNCEMENT - BIOCRYS 2012* FEBS Practical & Lecture Course Fundamentals of Modern Methods in Biocrystallography *20th - 27th October 2012 at the In

[ccp4bb] Clustal omega

2012-03-27 Thread Jayashankar
Dear All, A bit offtopic question, Does any body know how can I get the PIR output of the aligned sequence from clustal omega. I have a full length protein solved, to give weightage during comparitive modelling, I use domains of the same/similar protein solved before. I expect an alignment someth

Re: [ccp4bb] DDM

2012-03-27 Thread Daniel Picot
It is important to distinguish between the solubilisation and the purification steps: 1) During the solubisation step you need to care about the lipid/detergent ratio. The amount (not the concentration) of detergent (i.e. in non monomeric form, the detergent above the cmc) is important. You may