Re: [ccp4bb] Rmerge - was moelcular replacement with large cell

2009-07-15 Thread James Holton
Yes, woops! I over-simplified. The distribution of <|I-|> is not Gaussian, nor is it centered at zero. It is the distributions of I- and that are Gaussian and centered at zero. I also agree that the reason for the instability is because the "true" value of I is zero. In fact, (at least in my

Re: [ccp4bb] heavy atom derivative choice

2009-07-15 Thread Shaun Lott
>For gel-shift assay, do people normally use a special gel tank for heavy >metal work? We used to use a Pharmacia Phast system, as this is bufferless and made it very easy to contain heavy metal contamination. Ours caught fire and died a couple of years ago, and I have yet to find a good cheap r

Re: [ccp4bb] Rmerge - was moelcular replacement with large cell

2009-07-15 Thread Douglas Theobald
James, Graeme is right. While does indeed (approximately) follow a Gaussian, <|I-|> cannot. The absolute value operator keeps it positive (reflects the negative across the origin), and hence it is a half Gaussian. Its mean cannot be zero unless the variance is zero. For standard norm

[ccp4bb] Postdoc Position at MIT

2009-07-15 Thread Thomas Schwartz
The Schwartz laboratory at MIT, Department of Biology (Cambridge MA, USA) seeks to recruit an outstanding postdoctoral scientist in structural biology with a research focus directed towards the structure of macromolecular assemblies. The major theme within the group is structure and functio

Re: [ccp4bb] Rmerge - was moelcular replacement with large cell

2009-07-15 Thread Graeme Winter
James, I'm not sure you're completely right here - it's reasonably straightforward to show that Rmerge ~ 0.7979 / () (Weiss & Hilgenfeld, J. Appl. Cryst 1997) which can be verified from e.g. the Scala log file, provided that the *unmerged* I/sigma is considered: http://www.ccp4.ac.uk/xia/rmerge

Re: [ccp4bb] Rmerge - was moelcular replacement with large cell

2009-07-15 Thread James Holton
I tried plugging I/sigma = 0 into your formula below, but my calculator returned "" -James Holton MAD Scientist Graeme Winter wrote: James, I'm not sure you're completely right here - it's reasonably straightforward to show that Rmerge ~ 0.7979 / () (Weiss & Hilgenfeld, J. Appl. Cry

Re: [ccp4bb] how do you specify Heme oxidation state?

2009-07-15 Thread Allen M. Orville
Hi Laurie, An related, but off-topic comment follows. This particular issue is well suited to the single crystal spectrophotometer that we have integrated into beamline X26-C at the NSLS. We have observed that many heme protein crystals change either redox state and/or ligand state as a functi

Re: [ccp4bb] Rmerge - was moelcular replacement with large cell

2009-07-15 Thread James Holton
Actually, if I/sd < 3, Rmerge, Rpim, Rrim, etc. are all infinity. Doesn't matter what your redundancy is. Don't believe me? Try it. The extreme case is I/sd = 0, and as long as there is some background (and, let's face it, there always is), the "observed" spot intensity will be equally lik

Re: [ccp4bb] moelcular replacement with large cell

2009-07-15 Thread Lijun Liu
Hi Frank, Off from the original topic but important to clarify. If I misled the concepts, I apologize. Outer shell Rmerge will always be very high: -- True! Especially when I/Sig ~ 1 or less. Only I/sigI (and completeness, although it's related) is really relevant for deciding

[ccp4bb] centrifuge bottle/rotor liners [unrelated but fun topic]

2009-07-15 Thread artem
Hi folks, Pfizer protein folks taught me a useful trick: the 1L centrifuge rotor liners from Beckman-Coutler (catalog number 369256 if you're curious). They are quite awesome in the sense that instead of scraping biomass out of the centrifuge tube one can instead heat-seal and freeze the lower por

Re: [ccp4bb] heavy atom derivative choice

2009-07-15 Thread artem
Hi, 1. KSCN will suck up a lot of the Hg and other metals -- can you switch to something else? 2. Hg typically does not enter the protein core. 3. It's generally not necessary to use a special tank, as long as you treat the resulting solutions as heavy-atom waste; but of course each lab's safety p

Re: [ccp4bb] heavy atom derivative choice

2009-07-15 Thread Jurgen Bosch
There is a Xenon chamber at 14-1 if I remember it correctly. I never had luck though. How about Iodine or Gadolinium? Jürgen .. Jürgen Bosch Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Department of Biochemistry & Molecular Biology Johns Hopkins Malaria Research Institute

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Summary IPTG suppliers (mainly Europe)

2009-07-15 Thread Clemens Steegborn
I think it is up to the buyer to gain knowledge about prices from other companies. So I agree the survey on CCP4 was a good idea, but we should stop the "legal" discussion here (or continue outside ccp4) - it's not really crystallography :-) Clemens > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: CCP

Re: [ccp4bb] heavy atom derivative choice

2009-07-15 Thread Jacob Keller
Xenon/Krypton, anyone? If you have the equipment, might as well try it. I think I have seen the apparatus at some beamlines, although I did hear recently that xenon is ridiculously expensive now. Jacob Keller *** Jacob Pearson Keller Northwestern Univers

Re: [ccp4bb] Summary IPTG suppliers (mainly Europe)

2009-07-15 Thread Jacob Keller
I think that since there is not a uniform price, competition is not playing a significant enough role in pricing. So I ask: why is competition not playing a role? And I would suggest: perhaps the bigger companies are exploiting the lack of knowledge about the true market price of IPTG. Happily,

Re: [ccp4bb] Van der Waals contacts

2009-07-15 Thread Nadir T. Mrabet
Totally agree with what you write. Yet, I was only answering the question asked (that dealt mostly with "van Der Waals contacts and effective contacts"). At a time of crisis (DeltaG = only a few kcal/mol), I would say 0.6 kcal/mol would be a little more than negligible. Question of balance. Nadir

Re: [ccp4bb] heavy atom derivative choice

2009-07-15 Thread Phil Jeffrey
X Xiong, Cellular & Molecular Medicine wrote: My Question is: Does mercury tends to get into the protein core to denature protein or not? This is more likely to happen for a small "bare" Hg like Hg2+ in HgCl2 or Hg(OAc)2 than it is for a large organomercury compound like PCMB, PCMBS etc so i

Re: [ccp4bb] Van der Waals contacts

2009-07-15 Thread Bernhard Rupp
It might be worthwhile to consider the energy column in the pdf: At RT we have about 0.6 kcal/mol thermal energy, so a *single attractive* vdW interaction has little impact - it is generally the sum of many of those contributing to notable and important attractive forces. For a *single repulsive*

Re: [ccp4bb] heavy atom derivative choice

2009-07-15 Thread X Xiong, Cellular & Molecular Medicine
Dear All, We have a very similar problem, I have got a protein of 200 residues predicted to have two free cys (but 14 internal cys!), 1 free histidine, 2 methionines (all predicted to be free). Native crystals diffracted to 2.2 A was obtained in 200 mM KSCN, 20% PEG 3350, 13% glycerol, bis t

[ccp4bb] how do you specify Heme oxidation state?

2009-07-15 Thread Laurie Betts
When refining a heme protein in Refmac5, if one uses HEM.cif, what is the default oxidation state of the Fe? Does one get residual density if it is specified as Fe3+ but it's really Fe2+? Or does one infer from the ligand bound that it's one or the other? WE have a hme protein that was o

Re: [ccp4bb] heavy atom derivative choice

2009-07-15 Thread Jens Preben Morth
I would also include a NaI and NaBr quick soak in 250 mM, SCN- is considered a pseudohalide cheers Preben Sebastiano Pasqualato wrote: Hi all, I've got crystals of a protein of ca 200 residues, with 2 free cysteines, 5 histidines, 2 methionines. We have nice diffraction for the native crystals

Re: [ccp4bb] heavy atom derivative choice

2009-07-15 Thread Ganapathy Sarma
Hi Sebastiano, In addition to the heavy atom database server and the suggestions made here, you could try the strategy described in this paper: Lott JS et al. (2003) Acta Cryst D Biol Crystallogr, Dec (Pt 12): 2242-6. Making the most of two crystals: structural analysis of a conserved hypot

Re: [ccp4bb] heavy atom derivative choice

2009-07-15 Thread Annie Hassell
Sebastiano-- http://www.sbg.bio.ic.ac.uk/had/ good table of HA and pH ranges http://www.shapirolab.org/lab-links/had.html links to a variety of HA databases HTH! annie Annie Hassell Glaxo Smithkline 5 Moore Drive RTP, NC 27709 919/483-3228 919/483-0368 (FAX) annie.m.hass.

Re: [ccp4bb] heavy atom derivative choice

2009-07-15 Thread Joyce, Gordon M. (NIH/NIAID) [F]
Dear Sebastiano, why not have a look at http://sis.niaid.nih.gov/cgi-bin/heavyatom_reactivity.cgi. A reprint of the original paper can be found at http://sis.niaid.nih.gov/pub_pdf/Agniswamy-et-al-2008.pdf We did not specifically look at Bis-Tris Propane but did look at Tris pH 8.5 and H

Re: [ccp4bb] heavy atom derivative choice

2009-07-15 Thread Benini Stefano (A)
Dear All, I never tried it myself but could it be a sulphur SAD/MAD a possible alternative? In my experience with heavy atoms (luckily just 2 proteins!) you may waste all of your crystals without finding any heavy metal bound! Or may be the first one you try works Ciao Stefano -Origina

Re: [ccp4bb] heavy atom derivative choice

2009-07-15 Thread Laurent Maveyraud
Hi, Mercury will likely form a precipitate with you SCN- anions... solubility in water is 0.6 g/L (about 3 mM) at 25°C... Since you are not in water, at less than 25°C, and with you high concentration of SCN- ions, don't expect to have high concentrations of *soluble* Hg++ in you medium. Prolo

Re: [ccp4bb] heavy atom derivative choice

2009-07-15 Thread David Briggs
Whps! Watch out for problems with your *HIGH* pH, though. Some salts will form insoluble hydroxide salts at pH 8.8. (HgCl2 & K2HgI4 should be okay). 2009/7/15 Sebastiano Pasqualato : > Hi all, > I've got crystals of a protein of ca 200 residues, with 2 free cysteines, 5 > histidines, 2 methi

Re: [ccp4bb] heavy atom derivative choice

2009-07-15 Thread Savvas Savvides
Hi Sebastiano, Given that your crystallization condition contains KSCN, I would certainly give Hg(SCN)2 a go among other Hg options for a protein containing free cysteines. Hg(SCN)2 might end up being more compatible with your crystal form, and might thus minimize non-isomorphism issues. Best of

Re: [ccp4bb] heavy atom derivative choice

2009-07-15 Thread David Briggs
Hi Sebastiano, Free Cys' are crying out for Mercury derivatives. Try 2-3 with varying sizes of additional groups - HgCl2, K2HgI4, PCMB, from the "Magic seven" would be a good place to start. Watch out for problems with your low pH, though. Some salts will form insoluble hydroxide salts at pH 8.8

Re: [ccp4bb] heavy atom derivative choice

2009-07-15 Thread Miguel Ortiz Lombardia
Hi Sebastiano, Have a look at HATODAS: http://hatodas.harima.riken.go.jp/ Good luck, Miguel Le 15 juil. 09 à 14:33, Sebastiano Pasqualato a écrit : Hi all, I've got crystals of a protein of ca 200 residues, with 2 free cysteines, 5 histidines, 2 methionines. We have nice diffraction for

[ccp4bb] heavy atom derivative choice

2009-07-15 Thread Sebastiano Pasqualato
Hi all, I've got crystals of a protein of ca 200 residues, with 2 free cysteines, 5 histidines, 2 methionines. We have nice diffraction for the native crystals, that grow in 150 mM KSCN, 17% PEG 3350, bis tris propane pH 8.8. We are crystallising the SeMet derivative, but I'm not completely su

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Summary IPTG suppliers (mainly Europe)

2009-07-15 Thread Jürgen Bosch
Fermentas 25g 400$ (Dioxane-free) Jürgen On Jul 15, 2009, at 8:01 AM, Clemens Steegborn wrote: Hi Jacob, I am not sure I understand why a spread in pricing indicates illegal activity. Wouldn't uniformly high prices indicate something illegal, and very different prices just indicate you have a c

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Summary IPTG suppliers (mainly Europe)

2009-07-15 Thread Clemens Steegborn
Hi Jacob, I am not sure I understand why a spread in pricing indicates illegal activity. Wouldn't uniformly high prices indicate something illegal, and very different prices just indicate you have a choice of suppliers, qualities etc?!? And just to mention two more supplier names (again: differen

Re: [ccp4bb] moelcular replacement with large cell

2009-07-15 Thread Robert Esnouf
Dear Wei, The unit-cell dimensions are certainly not excessive, we recently published the 2.8A 27kDa uridylate kinase structure from B. anthracis whose crystals were P6122, a=b=87, c=384 with three UK in the ASU. As you are apparently not seeing any self rotation peaks, have you looked for a t

Re: [ccp4bb] moelcular replacement with large cell

2009-07-15 Thread Ian Tickle
I'm not clear what is the reasoning here behind using a low res cutoff for the SRF (i.e. lower than the data limit). It seems to me that using all valid data available can only increase the signal/noise ratio, and omitting good data can only have a deleterious effect (as will any kind of data i

Re: [ccp4bb] moelcular replacement with large cell

2009-07-15 Thread Frank von Delft
Um, can't resist here (although not directly relevant to the original question): 1) Your dataset has a high overall Rmerge. The outmost shell (70%) is very high, which suggests a need to shrink resolution. What about I/s(I), redundancy and completeness? Also, how many reflections (percentage