[BRLTTY] BrlAPI and contiguous displays

2007-04-29 Thread Mario Lang
Hi. I've seriously started to use Orca with a Modular Evolution 88. Currently, the "status cells" (the display is contiguous, i.e. there is no break between the 80 cells and the remaining 8 cells) can not be used by Orca. This is 1. slightly confusing since the BRLTTY status cell info is still s

[BRLTTY] -b auto -d usb:

2007-05-17 Thread Mario Lang
Hi. Our current implementation of -b auto on the USB bus does work, but it is pretty inefficient. This gets extremely obvious if one tries to run brltty in auto-detection mode on a small embeeded-type device, like ARM based machines running Linux. While BRLTTY is idling and trying to find a brai

[BRLTTY] [PATCH] [Python] returnerror cdef to def ?

2007-05-25 Thread Mario Lang
Hi. Currently, GCC emits a warning regarding a statment without effect in the python bindings that comes from the definition of returnerror. returnerror is currently defined as a cdef. cdef does not really support docstrings in pyrex (why should it). On second glance however, returnerror is onl

[BRLTTY] missing error checks?

2007-06-03 Thread Mario Lang
Hi. The following python session is reproducible for me with latest svn: Python 2.4.4 (#2, Apr 25 2007, 22:41:41) [GCC 4.1.3 20070423 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-4)] on linux2 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> import brlapi >>> c = brlapi.Connection() >>> c

[BRLTTY] Building outside the source directory

2007-06-07 Thread Mario Lang
Hi. I can not build BRLTTY outside its source directory. To reproduce, do the following: $ mkdir build && cd build && ../configure && make The patch below fixes the problems with the drivers, but the python bindings still fail. The problem is inclusion paths: brlapi_keycodes.h and brlapi_constan

[BRLTTY] [PATCH] Support for Handy Tech Easy Braille

2007-06-19 Thread Mario Lang
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dave Mielke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mario Lang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> HELP_DEPS = $(HELP_TEXT) Index: BrailleDrivers/HandyTech/help4.txt === --- BrailleDrivers/HandyTech/help4.txt (revision 0) +++ Braill

[BRLTTY] A data-point for the USB problem investigation

2007-06-19 Thread Mario Lang
Hi. Just to let you know, I am running Linux 2.6.21 on Debian unstable (sid) on a x86_64 machine. I am currently using a serial display on that machine, but the Easy Braille for which I just implemented support is a USB display and that worked completely flawlessly here. In other words, I can no

Re: [BRLTTY] How to make brltty to suport ms-dos?

2007-07-04 Thread Mario Lang
Lars Bjørndal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Jul 03, 2007 at 09:55:14PM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: >> Note: it only works with serial devices with speed <= 9600bps. > > So it won't work with one of Handy Tech's braille displays? (I think > they're using 19200, right?) Yes. In fact, man

[BRLTTY] Man page regressions

2007-07-22 Thread Mario Lang
Hi. I am seeing three (minor) warnings from the Debian lintian package checking system for brltty 3.8 that are all related to BRLTTY manual pages: W: libbrlapi-dev: manpage-has-errors-from-man usr/share/man/man3/brlapi_keys.3.gz 315: warning [p 5, 2.5i]: can't break line W: brltty-x11: binary-wi

Re: [BRLTTY] Man page regressions

2007-07-22 Thread Mario Lang
Samuel Thibault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Mario Lang, le Sun 22 Jul 2007 15:27:25 +0200, a écrit : >> W: libbrlapi-dev: manpage-has-errors-from-man >> usr/share/man/man3/brlapi_keys.3.gz 315: warning [p 5, 2.5i]: can't break >> line > > Here is a patc

[BRLTTY] The Baum driver should *NOT* claim a TSI display!

2007-08-26 Thread Mario Lang
Hi. I remember we've discussed this several months ago already, but now that I am trying brltty 3.8 on one maschine of mine that uses a TSI PowerBraille 80, I have seen this bug again. When I disconnect my TSI and reconnect it later on, it can happen that the Baum driver claims the display in Pow

Re: [BRLTTY] The Baum driver should *NOT* claim a TSI display!

2007-08-26 Thread Mario Lang
Jason White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Does the Baum driver really have to claim a 80 cell PowerBraille? > > I think this is a bug that should be fixed. Perhaps the Baum driver should > skip checking for TSI and Handytech protocols if the display is connected via > a serial interface and the m

Re: [BRLTTY] The Baum driver should *NOT* claim a TSI display!

2007-08-27 Thread Mario Lang
Dave Mielke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [quoted lines by Jason White on 2007/08/27 at 10:15 +1000] > >>Am I correct, however, in assuming that the problem only arises with a serial >>interface? > > And, I suspect, with Bluetooth. No, the powerbraille has no bluetooth interface. >>Under USB, t

Re: [BRLTTY] The Baum driver should *NOT* claim a TSI display!

2007-08-27 Thread Mario Lang
Dave Mielke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>> the Baum driver would continue to check for emulation modes >>> if USB is bieng used but would only check for the native Baum protocol if >>> serial or Bluetooth is being used. >> >>The Bluetooth part in the above sentence looks like an error. > > So you

[BRLTTY] jni.h?

2007-09-03 Thread Mario Lang
Hi. I have a really strange problem with the Debian package of BRLTTY 3.8 that I fail to understand, maybe someone can shed a little more light on the issue. Its related to the configure stage for the Java bindings. When I build the package on amd64 (64-bit arch) I get working Java bindings. If

Re: [BRLTTY] jni.h?

2007-09-03 Thread Mario Lang
Samuel Thibault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Does anyone have the slightest idea why our configure script >> does not find jni.h on an i386 host? > > Possibly a difference in update-alternatives --display javac ? No, both report Current `best' version is /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/bin/javac. Besides

Re: [BRLTTY] BRLTTY Debian package has USB autosuspend bug

2007-09-05 Thread Mario Lang
Jason White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I just discovered today, while installing Debian on a new machine and > upgrading it to the Unstable distribution, that the version of BRLTTY 3.8 in > the Debian Unstable repository has the Autosuspend bug which affects Baum > Supervario (aka Brailliant) a

Re: [BRLTTY] Problem with speech.c

2007-09-07 Thread Mario Lang
Christopher Gray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I have 3.8 working now in a terminal window. However, when I go to a > full-screen session, alt+ctrl+f7 in Ubuntu, I get the message "not in text > mode". Is their a cure for this? That depends if you are already logged in to GNOME or not. I have

Re: [BRLTTY] Problem with speech.c

2007-09-07 Thread Mario Lang
Christopher Gray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Fri, 7 Sep 2007, Dave Mielke wrote: > >> Is this perhaps a symptom of starting brltty after the X screen reader? Maybe >> it doesn't try to reconnect. > > I don't think so, but wouldn't say for certain. The reason I am doubting > this > is that

Re: [BRLTTY] BRLTTY Debian package has USB autosuspend bug

2007-09-09 Thread Mario Lang
Dave Mielke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I'm just about ready to release 3.9 now, like in a week or so. Although > things may (probably will) change a bit still, revision 3262 should > be good. Would those who'd like to ensure that their packaging > issues are fixed by the time 3.9 is released, t

Re: [BRLTTY] BRLTTY Debian package has USB autosuspend bug

2007-09-09 Thread Mario Lang
Mario Lang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I am right now testin r3290 with the packaging for Debian. > For some reason, the installation of the BrlAPI manpages (section 3) fails. > Did something change regarding the generation of the BrlAPI man pages > in the 3.8->3.9 cycle?

[BRLTTY] TSI: BRLTTY lost display

2007-09-09 Thread Mario Lang
Hi. I've just had a pretty strange error on my TSI PowerBraille 80 that I've never seen before (with brltty 3.8): Sep 9 13:12:52 x2 brltty[28789]: Unexpected Response: 40 C0 20 A0 62 E0 00 05 51 08 56 31 Sep 9 13:12:52 x2 brltty[28789]: Input byte missing at offset 6. Sep 9 13:12:52 x2 brltty

Re: [BRLTTY] BRLTTY Debian package has USB autosuspend bug

2007-09-09 Thread Mario Lang
Samuel Thibault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Mario Lang, le Sun 09 Sep 2007 13:30:34 +0200, a écrit : >> Follow up to myself: It looks like the man pages do not get installed >> anymore by default when running make install. Is this intentional? >> Should I now c

Re: [BRLTTY] BRLTTY Debian package has USB autosuspend bug

2007-09-09 Thread Mario Lang
Samuel Thibault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > /usr/bin/install -c -d /tmp/brltty/debian/brltty/share/man/man3 > > dh_installman -plibbrlapi-dev debian/brltty/usr/share/man/man3/*.3 > > Here is the problem: Dave, it looks like > BRLTTY_PORTABLE_DIRECTORY([mandir], [/usr/share]) > doesn't work as ex

[BRLTTY] getimeofday and rdate?

2007-09-09 Thread Mario Lang
Hi. It seems our use of gettimeofday to calculate elapsed time is potentially buggy. When I run "rdate" to resync my computers clock with some internet time server, it can happen that brltty stops to interact with my display for a certain period of time. This only happens when the time gets adjus

Re: [BRLTTY] jni.h?

2007-09-09 Thread Mario Lang
Samuel Thibault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > It looks like you only have libgcj8-dev, provided by gcj-4.2. Are you > maybe compiling with gcc 4.1? In that case I guess gcc 4.1 can't find > gcj-4.2's jni.h. It's possible that you have to explicitely choose > between gcc 4.1 & gcj 4.1 or gcc 4.2

Re: [BRLTTY] getimeofday and rdate?

2007-09-11 Thread Mario Lang
Dave Mielke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [quoted lines by Samuel Thibault on 2007/09/09 at 21:13 +0200] > >>Mario Lang, le Sun 09 Sep 2007 20:51:54 +0200, a écrit : >>> When I run "rdate" to resync my computers clock with some internet >>> time serve

Re: [BRLTTY] Disable status cels

2007-10-31 Thread Mario Lang
Dave Mielke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>Voyager 44 >>I don't like status cels > > The Voyager driver is one which does support what you'd like to do. You need > to > pass in the driver parameter "statuscells=0" (without the quotes). You can do > this via the -B (uppercase) command line option

Re: [BRLTTY] Disable status cels

2007-11-01 Thread Mario Lang
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lars Bjørndal) writes: > I'm working at Handy Tech Norway, which is an undependent company, not > tied to Handy Tech in Germany, execpt for selling their products. I'm > using Linux to do all my tasks in office, and I also use an Mod. > Evolution 88. > > I too look forward to se

Re: [BRLTTY] debian and brltty

2007-11-05 Thread Mario Lang
J.Schöber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I used Debian 4.1 Lenny and found it recognised my Papenmeier els out of the > box with no parameters at all! Great! Yes, USB displays should all just work out of the box without any boot parameters. -- CYa, Mario | Debian Developer http://debian.org/>

[BRLTTY] "Can't access console"

2007-11-07 Thread Mario Lang
Hi. I am getting the message from the subject if I launch brltty from the initramfs (very early, before init is launched) when I switch away from console 1 to something else (like 2, or 7). If I restart brltty after runlevel 2 started up completely, I can again switch to consoles other than 1. A

Re: [BRLTTY] "Can't access console"

2007-11-08 Thread Mario Lang
Dave Mielke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>I guess this is because some device did not exist in my /dev hierarchy >>while brltty was started first. Is this right? > > Yes, it would be. > >>Can we perhaps fix this such that brltty does not need to be restarted? > > That depends on why brltty needs

Re: [BRLTTY] "Can't access console"

2007-11-08 Thread Mario Lang
Dave Mielke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>Actually, initramfs moves the /dev hierarchy over to the >>new root directory, so the /dev directory is actually not different, >>but I guess it could happen that brltty still lives in the old root. > > Yes, the current root directory is part of a process'

Re: [BRLTTY] "Can't access console"

2007-11-08 Thread Mario Lang
Samuel Thibault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> > Note that brltty does try to create them within the writable directory but >> > it >> > won't be able to if that directory either doesn't exist or isn't writable. >> >> So I could rpbobably also just set -W /dev ? > > That should probably work fo

Re: [BRLTTY] "Can't access console"

2007-11-13 Thread Mario Lang
Dave Mielke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>"Shows up" is going to be complicated, because it might as well take some >>time until the chroot actually happens and the root fs is fully populated >>(e.g., >>I use a custom setup at work where the root fs is actually retrieved >>with rsync, that can ta

[BRLTTY] Proof of concept code: Filter keyboard keypresses on Linux

2007-12-15 Thread Mario Lang
Hi. Virtual console screen readers that wanted to use the normal keyboard for review functionality always had the problem on linux that some sort of a non-standardized kernel patch was needed to get keysniffing to work. I've been thinking about a method that allows to do this completely from with

Re: [BRLTTY] Proof of concept code: Filter keyboard keypresses on Linux

2007-12-15 Thread Mario Lang
Samuel Thibault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Andor Demarteau, le Sat 15 Dec 2007 17:28:30 +0100, a écrit : >> nice concept however for yoru special gkeys you could have used >> setkeycoeds and loadkey, at elast for the console. >> on my dell inspiron system some keypresses give off unknown keyco

Re: [BRLTTY] Filter keyboard keypresses on Linux

2007-12-15 Thread Mario Lang
Dave Mielke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>some starting help for getting this into brltty core would >>be very appreciated? Dave? > > Sure. What are the recommendations regarding how it should be activated? A > command line option? If so, what should happen on non-Linux platforms? I would recom

Re: [BRLTTY] Filter keyboard keypresses on Linux

2007-12-15 Thread Mario Lang
Dave Mielke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>I think a command line option does not makes sense. > > What about a command line option to specify the configuration file? A command line option + config variable to specify the mapping along the lines of text-table and such would indeed be useful. --

Re: [BRLTTY] Filter keyboard keypresses on Linux

2007-12-15 Thread Mario Lang
Dave Mielke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > If we want most of the code to be common within the core then we probably > need > a scheme for portabilizing key representations. Does one already exist or do > we > need to invent it? AIUI, what linux currently uses is derived from the HID standard

Re: [BRLTTY] Filter keyboard keypresses on Linux

2007-12-15 Thread Mario Lang
Dave Mielke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Can anyone tell me how Speakup intercepts key events? Speakup intercepts all sorts of things by directly patching the kernel. > If we use this scheme how will we be interacting with it? I guess its a bit unpredictable if we are dealing with something th

Re: [BRLTTY] Filter keyboard keypresses on Linux

2007-12-15 Thread Mario Lang
Samuel Thibault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Dave Mielke, le Sat 15 Dec 2007 14:56:32 -0500, a écrit : >> Can anyone tell me how Speakup intercepts key events? If we use this scheme >> how >> will we be interacting with it? Does it intercept them first, do we, does >> one >> scheme disable or

Re: [BRLTTY] Filter keyboard keypresses on Linux

2007-12-15 Thread Mario Lang
Samuel Thibault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Mario Lang, le Sat 15 Dec 2007 22:29:27 +0100, a écrit : >> Dave Mielke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> > If we want most of the code to be common within the core then we probably >> > need >&g

Re: [BRLTTY] Filter keyboard keypresses on Linux

2007-12-15 Thread Mario Lang
Samuel Thibault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Mario Lang, le Sat 15 Dec 2007 22:29:27 +0100, a écrit : >> Dave Mielke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> > If we want most of the code to be common within the core then we probably >> > need >&g

Re: [BRLTTY] BRLTTY on Debian from Scratch images

2007-12-16 Thread Mario Lang
Samuel Thibault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi, > > Jason White, le Sun 16 Dec 2007 20:22:55 +1100, a écrit : >> Has anybody managed to create a Debian from Scratch image that loads BRLTTY >> automatically when booted? > > Mmmm, this should already be the case with images starting from Etch. > >

Re: [BRLTTY] brltty on powerpc

2008-01-13 Thread Mario Lang
Luke Yelavich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sun, Jan 13, 2008 at 10:42:13AM EST, Luke Yelavich wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On Sun, Jan 13, 2008 at 10:30:22AM EST, Dave Mielke wrote: >> > Have you tried with the latest brltty source? >> >> I intend to do ju

Re: [BRLTTY] brltty on powerpc

2008-01-13 Thread Mario Lang
Samuel Thibault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Mario Lang, le Sun 13 Jan 2008 22:09:52 +0100, a écrit : >> Luke Yelavich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> > On Sun, Jan 13, 2008 at 10:42:13AM EST, Luke Yelavich wrote: >> >> On Sun, Jan 13, 2008 at

Re: [BRLTTY] Filter keyboard keypresses on Linux

2008-01-14 Thread Mario Lang
Dave Mielke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > How should we decide which event device is the keyboard? The simplest might > be > someting like selecting the first device which can deliver some well-known > key > event, e.g. space or enter. Any better ideas? Yes, select the keyboard based on the b

[BRLTTY] OT: Free OMR to braille music translator project

2008-01-19 Thread Mario Lang
Hi. I recently had a chance to play with Optical Music Recognition software under Windows. There are various products that can scan a page of music and export in MusicXML format. So the hard part (the actual OMR) can be done by the application of choice of the user (there is even a free software

[BRLTTY] Working with braille characters in console mode?

2008-01-19 Thread Mario Lang
Hi. Does anyone here know if it is at all possible to display braille characters (0X2800-0X28ff) in console mode and have brltty map them correctly to the associated dot combination? I would be sort of happy if it just worked for brltty, if it also worked to have the correct fonts displayed on th

Re: [BRLTTY] Working with braille characters in console mode?

2008-01-20 Thread Mario Lang
Samuel Thibault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Samuel Thibault, le Sat 19 Jan 2008 21:13:46 +, a écrit : >> > have brltty map them correctly to the associated dot combination? >> >> Unfortunately the screen driver model still does't take unicode into >> account and thus brltty will still show

Re: [BRLTTY] Working with braille characters in console mode?

2008-01-21 Thread Mario Lang
Samuel Thibault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Samuel Thibault, le Mon 21 Jan 2008 00:20:47 +, a écrit : >> Samuel Thibault, le Sat 19 Jan 2008 23:23:22 +, a écrit : >> > Samuel Thibault, le Sat 19 Jan 2008 21:13:46 +, a écrit : >> > > > have brltty map them correctly to the associated

Re: [BRLTTY] Working with braille characters in console mode?

2008-01-21 Thread Mario Lang
Samuel Thibault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Mario Lang, le Mon 21 Jan 2008 17:49:45 +0100, a écrit : >> Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected! Assume -R? [n] > > Grmbl, it looks like I somehow sent the same patch. Here is hopefully > the correct one. Wow! Th

[BRLTTY] bc640

2008-02-01 Thread Mario Lang
Hi. I have a Optilec BC640 sitting on my desk for potential driver development. I find the HID interface pretty interesting to play with, so I requested specs from Optilec. They told me Dave is already working on a driver for BRLTTY. Is this true? Any early preview patches to play with and maybe

Re: [BRLTTY] bc640

2008-02-01 Thread Mario Lang
Dave Mielke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>I have a Optilec BC640 sitting on my desk for >>potential driver development. I find the HID interface >>pretty interesting to play with, so I requested specs from Optilec. >>They told me Dave is already working on a driver for BRLTTY. >>Is this true? An

[BRLTTY] bc640: Some debug info

2008-02-06 Thread Mario Lang
Hi. This is as far as I could get without any specs. Below is a C file that dumps the keypresses to stdout. Keypresses are delivers pretty strangely, first the "keycode" arrives, and then the key type. A key type indicator has the left nibble set to 1110 or to indicate press and release, an

Re: [BRLTTY] bc640: Some debug info

2008-02-06 Thread Mario Lang
Andor Demarteau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > you will probably not get any specs, I've been bugging optelec here in .nl > for them for some time. Well, Dave already has the specs, so thats not the problem... -- CYa, ⡍⠁⠗⠊⠕ | Debian Developer http://debian.org/> .''`. | Get my public key vi

Re: [BRLTTY] bc640: Some debug info

2008-02-06 Thread Mario Lang
Dave Mielke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>Below is a C file that dumps the keypresses to stdout. > > So all you do is open a hiddev and read from it? Yes, for now, thats all that is necessary. The Linux hiddev interface has a bunch of ioctls as well (all defined in linux/hiddev.h). They can be u

Re: [BRLTTY] bc640: Some debug info

2008-02-07 Thread Mario Lang
Dave Mielke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>Yes, for now, thats all that is necessary. The Linux hiddev >>interface has a bunch of ioctls as well (all defined in linux/hiddev.h). >>They can be used to get "reports" and do other things, but >>reading incoming events is as simple as reading from the

Re: [BRLTTY] Problem with brltty 3.9 on debian testing

2008-02-20 Thread Mario Lang
Nath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I have installed debian testing on my new Asus Eee pc and I encounter a > problem I never have had before : the braille display turns on sleep > mode every 4 or 5 seconds. when I press a key on the braille display or > on the laptop keyboard the braille display i

Re: [BRLTTY] Status of powerpc fix in debian netinst

2008-02-24 Thread Mario Lang
Samuel Thibault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Just checking again to see whether or not the version of brltty that fixes >> the >> problem with powerpc architecture has yet been implemented in any debian >> installers? > > Not yet :/ I apparently cant find the mail anymore where you told me the

[BRLTTY] Pure python file descriptor watcher code for BrlAPI?

2008-02-24 Thread Mario Lang
Hi. Orca uses glib to add a callback for when some data arrives at the BrlAPI file descriptor. This is very useful to implement a callback driven system for receiving brlapi keypresses. Does anyone have code for doing this in pure python, without a dependency on glib? -- Thanks, ⡍⠁⠗⠊⠕ | Debian

Re: [BRLTTY] Can't compile brltty

2008-03-05 Thread Mario Lang
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] > ../autogen && ./configure --disable-relocatable-install \ > --disable-table-selection --disable-contracted-braille \ > --enable-beeper-support --disable-midi-support --disable-fm-support \ > --disable-pm-configfile --disable-api --enable-st

Re: [BRLTTY] Can't compile brltty

2008-03-05 Thread Mario Lang
Samuel Thibault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > BTW, Dave, I can see -licuuc -lsupc++ in API_LIBRARIES. These shouldn't > be set, because that makes libbrlapi.so depend on libicuuc.so and > libsupc++.so (and then a packaging dependency) for no reason. BTW, now that I think of it, do we still really

[BRLTTY] Braille input?

2008-03-08 Thread Mario Lang
Hi. We do have the PASSDOTS command so that drivers can send along braille keyboard keypresses to the core. Some displays do have a braille-keyboard layout by default, and most of our drivers for them do implement something like "input mode" so that the keys can be switched between commands and b

Re: [BRLTTY] Braille input?

2008-03-08 Thread Mario Lang
Samuel Thibault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Dave Mielke, le Sat 08 Mar 2008 10:39:10 -0500, a écrit : >> A related issue is that there really should be a way for a braille reader to >> know if a given cell contains a dot pattern or a character. What if, for >> example, the toggle is in the oth

Re: [BRLTTY] Braille input?

2008-03-08 Thread Mario Lang
Dave Mielke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>But what if I want to use the input mode for typing Unicode braille? >> >>Can we add a toggle setting so that I can decide if I want PASSDOTS to >>go through the translation table, or straight to unicode braille? > > Yes, we could certainly add that. The p

Re: [BRLTTY] Braille input?

2008-03-08 Thread Mario Lang
Dave Mielke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>We have DESCCHAR for finding out details about a cells content. > > Yes, for when the user knows he may need to care. What, though, about > accidents > like when he thinks he's in character mode but is actually entering braille > patterns? How will he c

Re: [BRLTTY] Braille input?

2008-03-09 Thread Mario Lang
Dave Mielke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [quoted lines by Mario Lang on 2008/03/08 at 18:24 +0100] > >>What if we add a very short blip like sound that gets played if braille input >>does not go through the translation table and is not sent to an API client? > &

Re: [BRLTTY] Braille input?

2008-03-09 Thread Mario Lang
Jason White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > In general, I think BRLTTY should eventually move to a model where all of the > bindings of keys/buttons/switches/sensors etc., on the display to BRLTTY > commands are specifiable and configurable outside the drivers, ultimately in a > configuration file.

Re: [BRLTTY] speech with brltty

2008-03-15 Thread Mario Lang
Daniel Dalton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, 21 Feb 2008, Dave Mielke wrote: > >> [quoted lines by Daniel Dalton on 2008/02/21 at 22:19 +1100] >> >>> How do I get brltty talking with speech-dispatcher? >>> >>> And then will it read as I use the arrows? (Like other screenreaders?) >>> >>> Wh

Re: [BRLTTY] speech-dispatcher problem

2008-03-17 Thread Mario Lang
Jason White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 08:25:16AM +1100, Daniel Dalton wrote: >> >> When I choose speech-dispatcher in brltty.conf and boot it says: >> speech-dispatcher: open failure. >> >> I have no speech. >> >> Anyone know why? I am guessing this is because you a

Re: [BRLTTY] debian netinst powerpc with brltty: not yet

2008-03-19 Thread Mario Lang
"Lee Maschmeyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The fact that it says "rev unknown" means brltty has not been updated; that > was a bug fixed right after that version was released. No, "rev UNKNOWN" was only fixed in the development branch, there was no new stable release. Because of the lack of

Re: [BRLTTY] Braille tables versus contraction tables.

2008-04-25 Thread Mario Lang
Dave Mielke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The only significant component of brltty which isn't yet Unicode-based is > the text tables support. What do you people think of getting rid of > them and just using contraction tables (whetther or not we > eventually rename them is another topic)? FWIW,

Re: [BRLTTY] usb to serial problems

2008-04-26 Thread Mario Lang
Daniel Dalton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > When pluging my braille note into my box with a usb to serial (and an > adapter) (So it will connect since the port on the end of the cable is not > different so won't connect to the BN) I then plug the usb end into my usb > port. > $ sudo dmesg | les

Re: [BRLTTY] usb to serial problems

2008-04-26 Thread Mario Lang
Jason White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > If, as I suspect, it is writing to the correct device, there may be a kernel > issue. I've also seen usb-to-serial adaptors that did not fully support the serial port standard -- which do not work with certain serial braille displays (I think it was somet

Re: [BRLTTY] Braille tables versus contraction tables.

2008-04-30 Thread Mario Lang
Dave Mielke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > If we use contraction tables in place of the strictly one-to-one text tables, > what are your collective thoughts on the one major difference that > contraction > table support splits braille windows on word boundaries whereas text table > support does

[BRLTTY] doxygen update?

2008-05-04 Thread Mario Lang
Hi. I am seeing the following warnings from doxygen: /usr/bin/doxygen BrlAPIref.doxy Warning: Tag `USE_WINDOWS_ENCODING' at line 64 of file BrlAPIref.doxy has become obsolete. To avoid this warning please update your configuration file using "doxygen -u" Warning: Tag `MAX_DOT_GRAPH_WIDTH' at lin

[BRLTTY] strange doxygen manpage generation behaviour

2008-05-04 Thread Mario Lang
Hi. If I svn export my checkout of brltty, run autogen.sh on my exported version and build brltty and its documentation as usual, I do get a very strange manpage that has the full path of my build directory in it, something like _home_user_some_dir_to_exported-brltty_Programs_.3 which appears to b

[BRLTTY] [Aurelien Jarno] Bug#479754: libbrlapi-dev: /usr/share/man/man3/error.3.gz conflicts with manpages-dev

2008-05-07 Thread Mario Lang
Hi. Doxygen confuses me, so I am forwarding this bugreport I just got regarding brlapi manpages: Basically, we generate (and install) a manpage named error.3. This conflicts with an already existing manpage on Linux with the same name. Does anyone know how to fix this? The page should probably

Re: [BRLTTY] OT: lynx and cookies

2008-05-07 Thread Mario Lang
Sébastien Hinderer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > It is also impossible for me to continue order on Amazon. The site tells > me I should enable cookies in my browser, but they are supposed to be > enabled. I see the same thing here for amazon.de with botz, lynx and lynx-cur. My suspicion is that t

Re: [BRLTTY] [Aurelien Jarno] Bug#479754: libbrlapi-dev: /usr/share/man/man3/error.3.gz conflicts with manpages-dev

2008-05-07 Thread Mario Lang
Samuel Thibault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Mario Lang, le Wed 07 May 2008 13:20:55 +0200, a écrit : >> Doxygen confuses me, so I am forwarding this bugreport I just >> got regarding brlapi manpages: Basically, we generate (and install) >> a manpage named error.3. &

Re: [BRLTTY] OT: lynx and cookies

2008-05-07 Thread Mario Lang
Sébastien Hinderer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> I have to use firefox >> for amazon ordering since about 3 months now, which really sucks >> since it takes me about 3 times as much time to acomplish the same >> thing I previously did with lynx. > > Hmm! That's an interesting news for me because

Re: [BRLTTY] [Aurelien Jarno] Bug#479754: libbrlapi-dev: /usr/share/man/man3/error.3.gz conflicts with manpages-dev

2008-05-07 Thread Mario Lang
Dave Mielke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [quoted lines by Mario Lang on 2008/05/07 at 15:29 +0200] > >>Excuse me, but where are these install rules to be found? >>Documents/Makefile doesn't have a install rule, and in the main >>makefile, I couldnt find any

Re: [BRLTTY] [Aurelien Jarno] Bug#479754: libbrlapi-dev: /usr/share/man/man3/error.3.gz conflicts with manpages-dev

2008-05-07 Thread Mario Lang
Dave Mielke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>1. Note that vtsp and xbrlapi were installed, but their respective >> manpages were not. > > Because they haven't been written yet. Thats not quite true: x2:~/src/a11y/brltty% find . -name vstp.1 -o -name xbrlapi.1 ./Documents/xbrlapi.1 ./BrailleDrivers

Re: [BRLTTY] [Aurelien Jarno] Bug#479754: libbrlapi-dev: /usr/share/man/man3/error.3.gz conflicts with manpages-dev

2008-05-07 Thread Mario Lang
Dave Mielke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>2. The man3 directory is completely empty, why? Should I have >> run make in the Documents directory manually? If so, why? > > Yes, because not all users have doxygen, sgmltools, etc. This was a conscious > decision. Perhaps it's no longer a valid r

Re: [BRLTTY] OT: lynx and cookies

2008-05-07 Thread Mario Lang
Sébastien Hinderer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Mario Lang (2008/05/07 15:33 +0200): >> I initially used FF with braille and speech, but after I >> did my first youtube.com experiments, I realized speech doesn't >> work together with flash movies, so I had to

[BRLTTY] [PATCH] Fixes for manpage installation

2008-05-08 Thread Mario Lang
Hi. * Install xbrlapi.1 and man3/*.3 files if BLD_TOP != SRC_TOP: Index: Programs/Makefile.in === --- Programs/Makefile.in(revision 3714) +++ Programs/Makefile.in(working copy) @@ -518,7 +518,7 @@ $(INSTALL_PRO

Re: [BRLTTY] OT: lynx and cookies

2008-05-08 Thread Mario Lang
Sébastien Hinderer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi, > > Stéphane Doyon (2008/05/07 08:43 -0400): >> It still likes to pause and show it to you, along with >> lots of other useless status messages, makes it a lot slower than it >> could be. > > The -nopause command-line option solves this proble

Re: [BRLTTY] USB and serial/USB converter

2008-06-27 Thread Mario Lang
Samuel Thibault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > There is quite often some confusion between -d usb: and > -d serial:ttyUSB0, and it is not necessarily obvious for the beginners > to understand the difference between both. This is the same on other operating systems. In fact, to configure a USB dev

Re: [BRLTTY] USB and serial/USB converter

2008-06-27 Thread Mario Lang
Samuel Thibault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Mario Lang, le Fri 27 Jun 2008 13:55:24 +0200, a écrit : >> I have to say, my gut reaction is that I am against such a change. > > I have to say that mine was the same. > > The problem is that a few weeks ago I'v

[BRLTTY] de.ttb

2008-08-08 Thread Mario Lang
Hi. While skimming over the new converted de.ttb file in the dev repo, I noticed the following: char \xA7 (12345678) # ⣿ § [SECTION SIGN] char \xB6 (12345678) # ⣿ ¶ [PILCROW SIGN] On first sight, this looks wrong. Given that we have 2^8 possible chars and 2^8 possible dot-patterns, we shouldn'

Re: [BRLTTY] de.ttb

2008-08-08 Thread Mario Lang
Dave Mielke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>> On first sight, this looks wrong. Given that we have 2^8 possible >>> chars and 2^8 possible dot-patterns, we shouldn't reuse the >>> same dot pattern for two different characters. > > We actually now have way more than that since the tables have become

Re: [BRLTTY] de.ttb

2008-08-09 Thread Mario Lang
Jason White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sat, Aug 09, 2008 at 01:30:12AM -0400, Dave Mielke wrote: > >> >There are other things like certain symbols are kind of duplicated in >> >Unicode. >> >But I cant think of any right now, I'd need to check. > > As I remember, accented letters are among

Re: [BRLTTY] de.ttb

2008-08-09 Thread Mario Lang
Samuel Thibault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Mario Lang, le Sat 09 Aug 2008 07:03:32 +0200, a écrit : >> There are other things like certain >> symbols are kind of duplicated in Unicode. But I cant think >> of any right now, I'd need to check. > > Well, th

Re: [BRLTTY] de.ttb

2008-08-09 Thread Mario Lang
Samuel Thibault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hello, > > Mario Lang, le Sat 09 Aug 2008 07:03:32 +0200, a écrit : >> One example that kind of interests me is the international phonetic >> alphabet, which is used on Wikipedia sometimes. A mapping >> for that

Re: [BRLTTY] de.ttb

2008-08-09 Thread Mario Lang
Samuel Thibault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Mario Lang, le Sat 09 Aug 2008 10:55:00 +0200, a écrit : >> Jason White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> > On Sat, Aug 09, 2008 at 01:30:12AM -0400, Dave Mielke wrote: >> > >> >> >There are other

Re: [BRLTTY] BrailleNote Over Bluetooth

2008-08-22 Thread Mario Lang
"Marc Mulcahy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Sory if this has been discussed here before-- but it appears as though the > BrailleNote is supported, but only over a serial connection, and not via > Bluetooth. Has anyone attempted this? I'm game to try to get it working > with some initial guidanc

Re: [BRLTTY] braille doesn't work at all under Ubuntu 8.04.1

2008-09-08 Thread Mario Lang
Luke Yelavich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 01:48:26AM EST, Labrador wrote: >> A) it doesn't autodetects my Alva Satellite 544, that's a big problem >> and IMHO an important *regression*, sorry : >> it "auto" was causing some problems, the "serial-usb" now causes 100% of >

Re: [BRLTTY] having trouble with brltty.conf and how to make Brltty work in cosole and X-windows modes

2008-10-06 Thread Mario Lang
Scott Berry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I have a Power Braille 80 braille display. I am trying to configure in > the "/etc/brltty.conf" file that I want it too load the braille display > on "/dev/ttyUSB)" because I have a usb to serial converter. But I am > having trouble getting the syntax co

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