Re: multi-named instance exist?

2009-03-25 Thread Doug Barton
dev_n...@zoho.com wrote: > > > > If named is invoked successfully on startup, then the contents of the > > PID file will be overwritten with the new PID value. > > > > If named *isn't* invoked successfully on startup, then that's a separate > > error condition that should be detected an

Re: multi-named instance exist?

2009-03-25 Thread dev_null
> If named is invoked successfully on startup, then the contents of the > PID file will be overwritten with the new PID value. > > If named *isn't* invoked successfully on startup, then that's a separate > error condition that should be detected and dealt with, within the whole > sta

Re: multi-named instance exist?

2009-03-25 Thread Kevin Darcy
If named is invoked successfully on startup, then the contents of the PID file will be overwritten with the new PID value. If named *isn't* invoked successfully on startup, then that's a separate error condition that should be detected and dealt with, within the whole startup subsystem. The

Re: multi-named instance exist?

2009-03-25 Thread dev_null
I don't agree so much. some time when a system is reboot unnormally, named doesn't have the chance to remove its pid file. (when OS is shutdown normally, OS sends SIGTERM to named, named can exit and remove its own pid file.) after system is started, the pid number in name's pid file is maybe an

Re: multi-named instance exist?

2009-03-25 Thread Kevin Darcy
Standard methodology would be to read the contents of the PID file and see if that process is running (traditionally kill -0 $pid can be used to non-intrusively check whether a given process is running).

RE: DNS Appliance

2009-03-25 Thread Frank Bulk
I've had a rough time with BlueCat's Adonis product on the DHCP side of things. There are feature and stability gaps that take months and years to resolve. Their releases are always just a few weeks or months away, but take longer to materialize. I've been waiting over a year for code that they

Re: multi-named instance exist?

2009-03-25 Thread dev_null
That's the good idea, I have written a script to archive that: start() { if ! ps -efw|grep 'named -u nobody'|grep -v grep >/dev/null 2>&1;then /usr/local/bind/sbin/named -u nobody fi } Thanks. > dev_n...@zoho.com wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I found a strange case on bind

Re: multi-named instance exist?

2009-03-25 Thread Kevin Darcy
dev_n...@zoho.com wrote: Hello, I found a strange case on bind server. when one named was running, I started another one or more (the same) named server again, they all got started successsfully. this is the ps output: nobody28312 1 0 10:10 ?00:00:00 /usr/local/bind/sbin/name

multi-named instance exist?

2009-03-25 Thread dev_null
Hello, I found a strange case on bind server. when one named was running, I started another one or more (the same) named server again, they all got started successsfully. this is the ps output: nobody28312 1 0 10:10 ?00:00:00 /usr/local/bind/sbin/named -u nobody nobody2835

Re: Servers loading zones with lower serials

2009-03-25 Thread Barry Margolin
In article , "Todd Snyder" wrote: > Good day, > > I saw some strange behaviour from BIND and am trying to understand it. > > In one of the labs, someone mucked up a DNS change and made the serial > lower than the previous version. > > Some of the nameservers complained: > > Mar 23 15:07:24

Re: BIND - out of memory

2009-03-25 Thread Doug Barton
Jan Arild Lindstrøm wrote: > Hi, > > more findings ... > > BIND 9.6.1b1 > > No matter what I set in named.conf, it starts to give "out of memory" when > recursive > clients pass 1000. I see that 1000 is the default value for recursive-clients. Did you try backing up to 9.6.0-P1 to see if the s

Re: DNS Appliance

2009-03-25 Thread Raul Lopez Nevot
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 4:41 PM, John D. Vo wrote: > Anyone has experience (good or bad) with a dns appliance? > > Bluecatnetwork > infoblox > infoweapons.. > > Thanks. Experience with infoblox: wonderful. ___ bind-users mailing list bind-users@lists

RE: DNS Appliance

2009-03-25 Thread Mike Mitchell
We've used MetaInfo appliances for about four years, and the software version for two years before that. We have 40 of their appliances now. Fairly inexpensive, pretty reliable too. Their tech support has been good, they do seem to care about your problem. They are good for small to medium si

Re: DNS Appliance

2009-03-25 Thread Fr34k
Our experience with blue(s)cat was not a good one. That product would sporadically lose all of our zones. Vendor blamed us (so did our angry customers). Thing was, no one was in the office. We came into work one morning to phones ringing -- no DNS. DNS because master config was empty. FTW? Mig

Re: DNS Appliance

2009-03-25 Thread Leonard Mills
Actually, they have dozens scattered around the planet (they happen to have a local headquarters that I've visited), so there are always support folks working in their local daylight. :-) Len From: John D. Vo To: Steve Lancaster Cc: bind-users@lists.isc.org;

Re: "stealth master" DNS Security

2009-03-25 Thread Frank Pikelner
You can build a tunnel between the servers using openvpn to secure zone transfers. May also need policy based routing dependig on what else you do. If you are doing zone transfers across a network you control and have concerns about exposing data on it such as dns zone transfers, you may wa

Re: DNS Appliance

2009-03-25 Thread Eric C. Davis
It's sign that they have low turnover. The few times that have relied on them I've gotten the same engineers. A lot of companies lack that personal rapport with their clients. You are just a number to them. Eric Steve Lancaster wrote: [In a message on Wed, 25 Mar 2009 11:45:47 EDT, ""Eric

Re: DNS Appliance

2009-03-25 Thread Frank Pikelner
For a commercial appliance Bluecat Networks makes a good product. If commercial is not a requirement and djbdbs is enough, have a look at pfSense who make an excellent open source firewall appliance and now have a DNS appliance that is available. Best, Frank Pikelner On 25-Mar-09, at 11:3

Re: DNS Appliance

2009-03-25 Thread John D. Vo
Or they only have one or two support engineers..h :) Steve Lancaster wrote: [In a message on Wed, 25 Mar 2009 11:45:47 EDT, ""Eric C. Davis"" wrote:] Infoblox user: Love them. Support is fantastic. I can name actual support engineers. Is the fact that you

RE: DNS Appliance

2009-03-25 Thread Baird, Josh
I can vouch for Men & Mice. I currently have the enterprise version running in an environment managing 2000+ domains and 15+ DNS servers. Support is great as well. Josh -Original Message- From: bind-users-boun...@lists.isc.org [mailto:bind-users-boun...@lists.isc.org] On Behalf Of da..

Re: DNS Appliance

2009-03-25 Thread Steve Lancaster
[In a message on Wed, 25 Mar 2009 11:45:47 EDT, ""Eric C. Davis"" wrote:] >Infoblox user: Love them. Support is fantastic. I can name actual >support engineers. Is the fact that you can name support engineers a good thing or are you spending too much time talking to them? :-) Steve Lanca

Re: DNS Appliance

2009-03-25 Thread da...@from525.com
You may want to look into the Men & Mice suite. I have been testing their software for the last couple of months for consideration at our site. The suite offers a windows GUI client, CLI & web interface. An agent gets installed on each server hosting BIND and their suite will manage the servers

Re: DNS Appliance

2009-03-25 Thread John D. Vo
I am running Bind on two Solaris servers. It's pretty much command line, old school. I can see some GUI with Webmin but that's probably not as pretty as the appliances. My boss wants "visibility" so I'm looking. eh. meh. :) Thanks. Gainey, Joe (AT - Atlanta) wrote: blue cat Adonis/XMB provide

Re: DNS Appliance

2009-03-25 Thread Eric C. Davis
Adonis XMB™ is transforming the face of IPAM. Built for branch and remote offices, the Adonis XMB brings the power and features of the Adonis 1000 Enterprise-class DNS/DHCP Appliance to the branch and remote office. *** This from Bluecat's website. I believe it is an appliance, but I c

Re: DNS Appliance

2009-03-25 Thread Eric C. Davis
Infoblox user: Love them. Support is fantastic. I can name actual support engineers. Products are very good. Not too expensive. Only thing I'm disappointed with is the reporting/monitoring of the system. They are actively working to improve it as they just came out with a new software re

RE: DNS Appliance

2009-03-25 Thread Baird, Josh
Not an appliance, but has a nice offering including a MMC-ish console and Web GUI. Josh -Original Message- From: bind-users-boun...@lists.isc.org [mailto:bind-users-boun...@lists.isc.org] On Behalf Of Gainey, Joe (AT - Atlanta) Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 10:43 AM To: j...@eagle.net;

RE: DNS Appliance

2009-03-25 Thread Gainey, Joe (AT - Atlanta)
blue cat Adonis/XMB provide a great GUI interfaces for dns power users with enough intuitive widgets for dns novices. they have been fairly stable and easy to manage and their support has been knowledgeable. -Original Message- From: bind-users-boun...@lists.isc.org [mailto:bind-users-bou

DNS Appliance

2009-03-25 Thread John D. Vo
Anyone has experience (good or bad) with a dns appliance? Bluecatnetwork infoblox infoweapons.. Thanks. -- Best Regards, John D. Vo Eagle Teleconferencing Services, Inc. Network-System Administrator j...@eagle.net Office: (212) 200-2000 Ext. 105 Cell: (212) 200-3016 --- __

Re: "stealth master" DNS Security

2009-03-25 Thread Mark Andrews
In message , Ram Ak uka writes: > 2009/3/25 Alan Clegg : > > Ram Akuka wrote: > > > >> Is there's any way I can encrypt the zone transfer date (without using > >> any third-party encryption tool)? > > > > Why exactly do you want to do this? > > > > DNS data is NOT PROTECTED DATA. > > > > As long a

Re: "stealth master" DNS Security

2009-03-25 Thread Chris Dew
IPSEC really isn't too onerous between machines with static IP addresses just a thought. 2009/3/25 Ram Akuka : > 2009/3/25 Alan Clegg : >> Ram Akuka wrote: >> >>> Is there's any way I can encrypt the zone transfer date (without using >>> any third-party encryption tool)? >> >> Why exactly do y

Re: "stealth master" DNS Security

2009-03-25 Thread Ram Akuka
2009/3/25 Alan Clegg : > Ram Akuka wrote: > >> Is there's any way I can encrypt the zone transfer date (without using >> any third-party encryption tool)? > > Why exactly do you want to do this? > > DNS data is NOT PROTECTED DATA. > > As long as queries and responses are permitted in the clear (whi

Re: "stealth master" DNS Security

2009-03-25 Thread Alan Clegg
Ram Akuka wrote: > Is there's any way I can encrypt the zone transfer date (without using > any third-party encryption tool)? Why exactly do you want to do this? DNS data is NOT PROTECTED DATA. As long as queries and responses are permitted in the clear (which is the way DNS works), you are onl

Re: Psuedo-Master Zones

2009-03-25 Thread Corey Shaw
Thanks everyone for your answers. Seems I'll just have to find some other way of doing what I'd like. To throw something strange into the mix though, I'll bring up another configuration that accomplishes what I was asking. I currently have yet another internal DNS server doing what I asked in

Re: Psuedo-Master Zones

2009-03-25 Thread Alan Clegg
Chris Dew wrote: > No, we've had to work around these limitations of axfr/notify, so that > we can take this concern away from our customers. What "limitations" are you talking about specifically? > I would love to find a nice bind-supported way of dealing with > views/axfr/notify, so if you find

Re: "stealth master" DNS Security

2009-03-25 Thread Ram Akuka
Alan, Is there's any way I can encrypt the zone transfer date (without using any third-party encryption tool)? Thanks, -- Ram 2009/3/25 Alan Clegg : > Ram Akuka wrote: >> but encrypting the file system won't do the work here. >> i agree that storing the key and the encrypted data on the same >>

Re: Psuedo-Master Zones

2009-03-25 Thread Chris Dew
No, we've had to work around these limitations of axfr/notify, so that we can take this concern away from our customers. I would love to find a nice bind-supported way of dealing with views/axfr/notify, so if you find anything, please let me know. Thanks, Chris http://www.finalcog.com 2009/3/2

Re: "stealth master" DNS Security

2009-03-25 Thread Alan Clegg
Ram Akuka wrote: > but encrypting the file system won't do the work here. > i agree that storing the key and the encrypted data on the same > machine is useless in security terms. that why i'm looking for a build > in solution . > is there's any way the slave server can save the zone in format > di

Re: BIND 9.6.0-P1

2009-03-25 Thread Danny Mayer
Carl Fretwell wrote: > Hi Everyone > > > > I have installed BIND 9.6.0-P1 on a Windows Server 2003 x64 system but > when I come to start the “ISC BIND” service I always get a 1067 error > which I read somewhere was due to permissions so made sure the user > account password etc was correct

Re: Psuedo-Master Zones

2009-03-25 Thread dev_null
> I would use a #include in the zone file on the internal machine to include > the contents of zone file on the external machine. (NFS mount, or > cron'ed rsync copy.) > > You could use views/split horizon dns and run them both off of one server, > but this seems unneeded and n

Re: "stealth master" DNS Security

2009-03-25 Thread Chris Dew
So you want to store data on the slaves which will not be accessible to an attacker who has root privileges on the same slave? This looks difficult. One possibility is to replace bind's operations on the slave's zone file (the loading and saving of data) with a hack to bind which stores the data

ZSK rollover with BIND 9.6 and an automatically re-signed zone

2009-03-25 Thread Chris Thompson
Scenario: BIND 9.6, and a signed zone all changes to which are made by DNS update operations. Re-signing with the current ZSK is being done automatically by BIND. The question is how to roll over ZSKs for such a zone with these desired features: 1. The bulk of RRsets in the zone are signed with

Re: "stealth master" DNS Security

2009-03-25 Thread Ram Akuka
Thanks Cris, but encrypting the file system won't do the work here. i agree that storing the key and the encrypted data on the same machine is useless in security terms. that why i'm looking for a build in solution . is there's any way the slave server can save the zone in format diffent then clear

Re: "stealth master" DNS Security

2009-03-25 Thread Chris Dew
You could use the ecrypt fs for the location of the zone data - it would require a passphrase when bind starts up on the slave - this could cause trouble if the slave crashes. In general there is NO way of having encrypted data on a machine AND having the keys on that same machine AND making it 10

"stealth master" DNS Security

2009-03-25 Thread Ram Akuka
Hi, I want to design a DNS system for secure authoritative server. I’ll use one master server to store the data zone and use zone transfer mechanism for the 2 public slave servers (which will defined as masters in the internet). That way I’ll update and backup only server. I using TSIG for secure z

Re: Psuedo-Master Zones

2009-03-25 Thread Chris Dew
I would use a #include in the zone file on the internal machine to include the contents of zone file on the external machine. (NFS mount, or cron'ed rsync copy.) You could use views/split horizon dns and run them both off of one server, but this seems unneeded and nasty. http://www.finalcog.com/d