Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

2011-05-19 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Santosh Rajan wrote: > (FUNCTION TROLL >    ((FUNCTION PRINT) >        "Hello World"))) You clearly don't know enough Lisp to even craft a joke properly. Stick to what you know, that will suite you better. Regards, BG -- Baishampayan Ghose b.ghose at gmail.com

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

2011-05-19 Thread Dhananjay Nene
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 6:41 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai < abpil...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 6:34 PM, Santosh Rajan > wrote: > > > Ok I will agree to stop, under one condition, can you please explain the > > code I have written above? > > > > Well, thank you for the wholesom

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

2011-05-19 Thread Dhananjay Nene
Precisely my question on your original post. On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Santosh Rajan wrote: > Are you talking to thin air? You haven't quoted anything??? > > On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > > You're confusing open source, free software and free of cost softwa

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

2011-05-18 Thread Anand Balachandran Pillai
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 6:34 PM, Santosh Rajan wrote: > Ok I will agree to stop, under one condition, can you please explain the > code I have written above? > Well, thank you for the wholesome entertainment you provided. Well, it was fun while it lasted... Goodbye. > > On Wed, May 18, 2011 a

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

2011-05-18 Thread Santosh Rajan
Ok I will agree to stop, under one condition, can you please explain the code I have written above? On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 6:30 PM, Sirtaj Singh Kang wrote: > > On 18-May-11, at 6:27 PM, Santosh Rajan wrote: > > (FUNCTION TROLL >> ((FUNCTION PRINT) >> "Hello World"))) >> >> > Please ju

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

2011-05-18 Thread Sirtaj Singh Kang
On 18-May-11, at 6:27 PM, Santosh Rajan wrote: (FUNCTION TROLL ((FUNCTION PRINT) "Hello World"))) Please just stop. -Taj. ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

2011-05-18 Thread Santosh Rajan
(FUNCTION TROLL ((FUNCTION PRINT) "Hello World"))) On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 5:57 PM, steve wrote: > Hi Anand, > > > On 05/18/2011 01:03 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > >> Dude, you seriously have lots of free time on your hands... Here is what >> I (used to) do when I had time

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

2011-05-18 Thread steve
Hi Anand, On 05/18/2011 01:03 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: Dude, you seriously have lots of free time on your hands... Here is what I (used to) do when I had time to waste as you do. Don't feed the troll. I remarked at the fact that this person was deliberately trolling in another re

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

2011-05-18 Thread Anand Balachandran Pillai
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 8:10 AM, Santosh Rajan wrote: > As Sartaj Singh Kang, correctly pointed out, there are big bad trainwrecks > in this world. I think this whole thread must be a cumpulsory reading for > all students of computer science, all over the world. Aiming rather too high , aren't

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

2011-05-18 Thread Anand Balachandran Pillai
Dude, you seriously have lots of free time on your hands... Here is what I (used to) do when I had time to waste as you do. 1. Go to http://code.activestate.com/recipes 2. Think up a problem I like to solve on the day and write it up in Python 3. Submit as a Python recipe. Of course you can do it

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

2011-05-17 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Tue, 2011-05-17 at 17:35 +0530, Santosh Rajan wrote: > Hey, great argument, but I have some riders. Atleast, finally, I think > we > are on the same page. did you not notice that he was pulling your leg? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

2011-05-17 Thread Santosh Rajan
As Sartaj Singh Kang, correctly pointed out, there are big bad trainwrecks in this world. I think this whole thread must be a cumpulsory reading for all students of computer science, all over the world. Attleast they need to now there are big bad trainwrecks still alive in this world. On Tue, May

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

2011-05-17 Thread Sirtaj Singh Kang
On 17-May-11, at 8:32 PM, Santosh Rajan wrote: You still haven't seen the case I am making? In which case I shall admit defeat and rest my case! Same. And I apologize to all for my part in this trainwreck. -Taj. ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPy

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

2011-05-17 Thread Santosh Rajan
You still haven't seen the case I am making? In which case I shall admit defeat and rest my case! On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 8:23 PM, Sirtaj Singh Kang wrote: > > On 17-May-11, at 8:12 PM, Santosh Rajan wrote: > > great! so let us assume for arguments sake, that whatever you say or pose >> is >> ri

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

2011-05-17 Thread Sirtaj Singh Kang
On 17-May-11, at 8:12 PM, Santosh Rajan wrote: great! so let us assume for arguments sake, that whatever you say or pose is right! What answers do you have have for the questions posed below? Huh? You started this thread, with the intention of modifying the behaviour of "young immature id

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

2011-05-17 Thread Santosh Rajan
great! so let us assume for arguments sake, that whatever you say or pose is right! What answers do you have have for the questions posed below? 1. We've established that tech startups are at a disadvantage when based > outside SV. Why is this so? Specifically, what is different about FOSS-model >

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

2011-05-17 Thread Sirtaj Singh Kang
On 17-May-11, at 5:35 PM, Santosh Rajan wrote: [snip] First of all, let us get one thing out of the way. Success in software/hardware, no matter where you are, entirely depends on on how passionate you are about it. We can't quantify a person's passion for some thing. Apple's success, is St

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

2011-05-17 Thread Santosh Rajan
Hey, great argument, but I have some riders. Atleast, finally, I think we are on the same page. First of all, let us get one thing out of the way. Success in software/hardware, no matter where you are, entirely depends on on how passionate you are about it. We can't quantify a person's passion fo

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

2011-05-17 Thread Sirtaj Singh Kang
On 17-May-11, at 6:22 AM, Santosh Rajan wrote: Ok let me tell you the whole story scientifically. "The chances of anyone succeeding with an Open Source Project or Startup Company is inversely proportional to the square of the distance between San Fransisco and the location of this OpenSou

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

2011-05-17 Thread Santosh Rajan
Yes Indeed, you are right. On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 2:44 PM, steve wrote: > On 05/16/2011 08:22 PM, Santosh Rajan wrote: > >> [...snip...] >> >> So my question is, what shit are you talking about based in India? Please, >> Please Enlighten me? >> >> >> > /me thinks somebody just discovered a docu

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

2011-05-17 Thread steve
On 05/16/2011 08:22 PM, Santosh Rajan wrote: [...snip...] So my question is, what shit are you talking about based in India? Please, Please Enlighten me? /me thinks somebody just discovered a document online describing the art of trolling and now is aspiring to master it. It is fairly obviou

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

2011-05-16 Thread Santosh Rajan
Agreed! Thanks! On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 12:17 PM, Gopalakrishnan Subramani < gopalakrishnan.subram...@gmail.com> wrote: > Intention of open source/free software is to save the cost, not to generate > revenue. You can save the cost by using it out-of-box software or you can > customize it to your

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

2011-05-16 Thread Gopalakrishnan Subramani
Intention of open source/free software is to save the cost, not to generate revenue. You can save the cost by using it out-of-box software or you can customize it to your need so that you will not produce the complete clone of it. My strong point is that "Generating money is left to a business/ind

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

2011-05-16 Thread Santosh Rajan
Ya okay, so I agree with whatever you say. So what are you suggesting? There are a lot of very intelligent people around here, and I can see that you are one of them, my apologies for being a lesser brain damaged soul. On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Balachandran Sivakumar < benignb...@gmail.co

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

2011-05-16 Thread Balachandran Sivakumar
Hi, On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Santosh Rajan wrote: > And ya, and you still don't have anything to say for yourself!??? > Well, I normally don't reply when people use strong and foul language(No, don't ask me to quote it; the whole list knows) without any valid reason. Now that yo

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

2011-05-16 Thread Santosh Rajan
And ya, and you still don't have anything to say for yourself!??? On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Balachandran Sivakumar < benignb...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Santosh Rajan > wrote: > > Are you talking to thin air? You haven't quoted anything??? > > > >

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

2011-05-16 Thread Balachandran Sivakumar
Hi, On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Santosh Rajan wrote: > Are you talking to thin air? You haven't quoted anything??? > This is from your disclaimer: Disclaimer 2. I am not an expert on the subject of free Vs paid. and that's what Noufal said. Thanks -- Thank you Balachandran Sivaku

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

2011-05-16 Thread Santosh Rajan
Are you talking to thin air? You haven't quoted anything??? On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > You're confusing open source, free software and free of cost software. > Also, your approach and choice of words is not one that kindles a > healthy debate. I don't expect this t

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

2011-05-16 Thread Noufal Ibrahim
You're confusing open source, free software and free of cost software. Also, your approach and choice of words is not one that kindles a healthy debate. I don't expect this thread to lead anywhere useful. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in ___ BangPypers

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

2011-05-16 Thread Santosh Rajan
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Venkatraman S wrote: > On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 8:25 AM, Santosh Rajan > wrote: > > > Hey, thanks for the good words, and I entirely agree with you. My humble > > effort here is to try and put a mirror in the face of the entire Indian > > software Industry. They n

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

2011-05-16 Thread Venkatraman S
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 8:25 AM, Santosh Rajan wrote: > Hey, thanks for the good words, and I entirely agree with you. My humble > effort here is to try and put a mirror in the face of the entire Indian > software Industry. They need to look into the mirror and understand what is > going on. > >

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

2011-05-16 Thread Santosh Rajan
Hey, thanks for the good words, and I entirely agree with you. My humble effort here is to try and put a mirror in the face of the entire Indian software Industry. They need to look into the mirror and understand what is going on. On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 8:15 AM, Venkatraman S wrote: > On Tue, M

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

2011-05-16 Thread Venkatraman S
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Santosh Rajan wrote: > > Ridiculous is the right word not hilarious, when you make such > > generalisation, and spins new theories > > > > Thanks for pointing out how ridiculous what I said was, and I am glad you > understood what I was talking about. Thanks Agai

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

2011-05-16 Thread Santosh Rajan
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 7:40 AM, Ramdas S wrote: > > Ok let me tell you the whole story scientifically. > > > > "The chances of anyone succeeding with an Open Source Project or Startup > > Company is inversely proportional to the square of the distance between > San > > Fransisco and the location

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

2011-05-16 Thread Ramdas S
> Ok let me tell you the whole story scientifically. > > "The chances of anyone succeeding with an Open Source Project or Startup > Company is inversely proportional to the square of the distance between San > Fransisco and the location of this OpenSource/Startup Project". > > Ya ya, this is hilari

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

2011-05-16 Thread Santosh Rajan
Thanks for your great viewpoint Guru. On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 7:19 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Mon, 2011-05-16 at 20:22 +0530, Santosh Rajan wrote: > > Disclaimer 2. I am not an expert on the subject of free Vs paid. > > this is obvious - I suggest you stick to things you are an expert on.

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

2011-05-16 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Mon, 2011-05-16 at 20:22 +0530, Santosh Rajan wrote: > Disclaimer 2. I am not an expert on the subject of free Vs paid. this is obvious - I suggest you stick to things you are an expert on. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ ___

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

2011-05-16 Thread Santosh Rajan
Ok let me tell you the whole story scientifically. "The chances of anyone succeeding with an Open Source Project or Startup Company is inversely proportional to the square of the distance between San Fransisco and the location of this OpenSource/Startup Project". Ya ya, this is hilarious. But thi

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

2011-05-16 Thread Sirtaj Singh Kang
On 17-May-11, at 1:32 AM, Santosh Rajan wrote: In that case why don't you explain your point in a very "coherent" manner, so that we lesser mortals get it. What are you saying with respect to the subject of this thread? When you write something like this: > So my question is, what shit a

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

2011-05-16 Thread Sidu Ponnappa
> So my question is, what shit are you talking about based in India? Please, Please Enlighten me? I found your first mail rather offensive to begin with, and I find your response even more so now that you've decided to get personal. Clearly you consider yourself very l33t if you choose to address p

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

2011-05-16 Thread Santosh Rajan
In that case why don't you explain your point in a very "coherent" manner, so that we lesser mortals get it. What are you saying with respect to the subject of this thread? On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 1:12 AM, Sirtaj Singh Kang wrote: > > On 17-May-11, at 12:59 AM, Santosh Rajan wrote: > [snip] > >

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

2011-05-16 Thread Sirtaj Singh Kang
On 17-May-11, at 12:59 AM, Santosh Rajan wrote: [snip] I think you must read this thread very carefully again. Where did I say anything against FOSS? Where did I say software must be charged? Don't put words into my mouth just for your arguments sake. I could certainly quote bits of your o

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

2011-05-16 Thread Santosh Rajan
> > I've heard all sorts of arguments against FOSS*, but the idea that it is a > moral/nationalistic imperative to charge for software? This one is new. > Kudos. > I think you must read this thread very carefully again. Where did I say anything against FOSS? Where did I say software must be charge

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

2011-05-16 Thread Sirtaj Singh Kang
On 16-May-11, at 11:51 PM, Santosh Rajan wrote: [snip] As long as people like you don't see the problem, India will always remain a second class power in the software world. Do you know that the entire software exports of India today is only 5% of the total software exports of the world? T

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

2011-05-16 Thread Santosh Rajan
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 11:12 PM, Sidu Ponnappa wrote: > You missed > 4) Found a company to sell services and support around your open source > product. (MySQL, RedHat, Pentaho) > Great! so what percentage of the worldwide revenue of MySql, redhat, pentaho etc etc you own? Next to Zilch! > 5)

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

2011-05-16 Thread Sidu Ponnappa
You missed 4) Found a company to sell services and support around your open source product. (MySQL, RedHat, Pentaho) 5) Found a company whose commercial offerings (services/products) you popularise by bouncing off the popularity of your open source (37 Signals, Thoughtbot) Does a business model ex

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

2011-05-16 Thread Santosh Rajan
Thanks for your view and reply. On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 8:28 PM, Gora Mohanty wrote: > On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 8:22 PM, Santosh Rajan > wrote: > > I have been reading a few threads on this forum, and even participated in > > them. However I thought I must write my views on this subject separate

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

2011-05-16 Thread Gora Mohanty
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 8:22 PM, Santosh Rajan wrote: > I have been reading a few threads on this forum, and even participated in > them. However I thought I must write my views on this subject separately. > Also before I start my tirade, I want to make a couple of disclaimers. Come > to think of

[BangPypers] The myth of free software

2011-05-16 Thread Santosh Rajan
I have been reading a few threads on this forum, and even participated in them. However I thought I must write my views on this subject separately. Also before I start my tirade, I want to make a couple of disclaimers. Come to think of it, I should make a blog post of this. However since my mind wa