Re: [Bacula-users] Looking to move away from tape

2019-09-20 Thread Dimitri Maziuk via Bacula-users
On 9/20/19 5:25 PM, David Brodbeck wrote: > That's fair, although most cloud backup schemes are zero-knowledge, i.e. > the data is encrypted before it leaves your premises. I don't know how hard > that is to set up with Bacula because I haven't tried. (One hard truth > about academia is it's easie

Re: [Bacula-users] Looking to move away from tape

2019-09-20 Thread David Brodbeck
On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 1:02 PM Phil Stracchino wrote: > On 9/17/19 2:28 PM, Heitor Faria wrote: > > Hello Phil, > >> What are folks using for removable-drive backup storage, how do you have > >> it configured in Bacula, and how well is it working out for you? I > >> desperately need a better so

Re: [Bacula-users] Looking to move away from tape

2019-09-18 Thread Dimitri Maziuk via Bacula-users
On 9/18/19 12:38 PM, Phil Stracchino wrote: > ... But I've *got* to get > away from tape. *I* want to get away from backups. The group where we use HDDs and vchanger has data archival policy, that's what that "backup" is: an archive. But the other group, we keep the 36-bay ZFS bacula box largel

Re: [Bacula-users] Looking to move away from tape

2019-09-18 Thread Phil Stracchino
On 9/18/19 1:23 PM, Dimitri Maziuk via Bacula-users wrote: > On 9/18/19 11:19 AM, Phil Stracchino wrote: >> On 9/18/19 11:50 AM, Josh Fisher wrote: >>> >>> ... I see around 120 MB/s write speeds. >> >> But ... that's painfully slow even compared to the LTO-4 drive I just >> gave up on, which writes

Re: [Bacula-users] Looking to move away from tape

2019-09-18 Thread Dimitri Maziuk via Bacula-users
On 9/18/19 11:19 AM, Phil Stracchino wrote: > On 9/18/19 11:50 AM, Josh Fisher wrote: >> >> ... I see around 120 MB/s write speeds. > > But ... that's painfully slow even compared to the LTO-4 drive I just > gave up on, which writes at up to twice that. Well, I get ~300MB/s despooling to SATA (ZF

Re: [Bacula-users] Looking to move away from tape

2019-09-18 Thread Phil Stracchino
On 9/18/19 11:50 AM, Josh Fisher wrote: > > On 9/17/2019 2:08 PM, Phil Stracchino wrote: >> ... Oh, and also, >> anything USB need not apply. Too slow. I do have a perfectly good SAS >> controller available. > > > I suspect you have used USB drives in the past and found them far too > slow, b

Re: [Bacula-users] Looking to move away from tape

2019-09-18 Thread Josh Fisher
On 9/17/2019 2:08 PM, Phil Stracchino wrote: ... Oh, and also, anything USB need not apply. Too slow. I do have a perfectly good SAS controller available. I suspect you have used USB drives in the past and found them far too slow, but I suggest you revisit that. Newer USB drives are not fa

Re: [Bacula-users] Looking to move away from tape

2019-09-18 Thread DUCARROZ Birgit via Bacula-users
We're using this one and it works fine: Drive: Tandberg LTO-7 HH SAS2 Produktbeschreibung: Tandberg Data LTO-7 HH - Bandlaufwerk - LTO Ultrium - SAS-2 Gerätetyp: Bandlaufwerk Aufnahmestandard: LTO Ultrium 7 Art: Extern Schni stellentyp: SAS-2 On 18/09/19 01:52, Dimitri Maziuk via Bacula-u

Re: [Bacula-users] Looking to move away from tape

2019-09-18 Thread David While
I do my Bacula backups to my NAS and then rsync the complete folder to drives which are then offlined after the rsync completes. David On 17/09/2019 21:05, Phil Stracchino wrote: On 9/17/19 3:37 PM, Dimitri Maziuk via Bacula-users wrote: The other one we have is a 36-bay chassis with ZFS. We

Re: [Bacula-users] Looking to move away from tape

2019-09-17 Thread Phil Stracchino
On 9/17/19 7:52 PM, Dimitri Maziuk via Bacula-users wrote: > On 9/17/19 6:23 PM, Phil Stracchino wrote: > >> And just use Bacula's vchanger, you say? I've never actually played >> with that yet. > > Not bacula changer, Josh's vchanger. It has its quirks but you get a > "magazine" per disk with "

Re: [Bacula-users] Looking to move away from tape

2019-09-17 Thread Dimitri Maziuk via Bacula-users
On 9/17/19 6:23 PM, Phil Stracchino wrote: > And just use Bacula's vchanger, you say? I've never actually played > with that yet. Not bacula changer, Josh's vchanger. It has its quirks but you get a "magazine" per disk with "volume" files and it all stays in the catalog. So if you ever need to r

Re: [Bacula-users] Looking to move away from tape

2019-09-17 Thread Phil Stracchino
On 9/17/19 6:01 PM, Dimitri Maziuk via Bacula-users wrote: > On 9/17/19 3:05 PM, Phil Stracchino wrote: > >> ... I'd prefer to have my full backup media actually >> physically offline and airgapped when not actually running. Which is >> why I was asking for people's experiences with removable-dri

Re: [Bacula-users] Looking to move away from tape

2019-09-17 Thread Dimitri Maziuk via Bacula-users
On 9/17/19 5:01 PM, Dimitri Maziuk via Bacula-users wrote: > I think you really want at least 4 drives for this setup PS. but only one of them really needs to be removable... -- Dimitri Maziuk Programmer/sysadmin BioMagResBank, UW-Madison -- http://www.bmrb.wisc.edu signature.asc Descriptio

Re: [Bacula-users] Looking to move away from tape

2019-09-17 Thread Dimitri Maziuk via Bacula-users
On 9/17/19 3:05 PM, Phil Stracchino wrote: > ... I'd prefer to have my full backup media actually > physically offline and airgapped when not actually running. Which is > why I was asking for people's experiences with removable-drive setups > and how best to do it in Bacula. Basic hot-swap SATA

Re: [Bacula-users] Looking to move away from tape

2019-09-17 Thread Phil Stracchino
On 9/17/19 3:37 PM, Dimitri Maziuk via Bacula-users wrote: > The other one we have is a 36-bay chassis with ZFS. We started with 4TB > "NAS" drives in it and by now replaced them all with 8TB "archive" > ones... And when it starts getting tight we'll go for 12 or 16 or > whatever it's gonna be by t

Re: [Bacula-users] Looking to move away from tape

2019-09-17 Thread Phil Stracchino
On 9/17/19 2:28 PM, Heitor Faria wrote: > Hello Phil, >> What are folks using for removable-drive backup storage, how do you have >> it configured in Bacula, and how well is it working out for you? I >> desperately need a better solution here. > > Most people are doing remote sites or cloud backu

Re: [Bacula-users] Looking to move away from tape

2019-09-17 Thread Phil Stracchino
On 9/17/19 2:22 PM, Oliver Lehmann wrote: > Hi, > > why USB? Ever considered eSATA + external drive cage where you can > plug in and out the harddrives easily? Using this for years now... That's exactly the sort of solution I'm looking at. I specifically said *not* USB in fact. eSATA is de

Re: [Bacula-users] Looking to move away from tape

2019-09-17 Thread Dimitri Maziuk via Bacula-users
On 9/17/19 1:08 PM, Phil Stracchino wrote: > What are folks using for removable-drive backup storage, how do you have > it configured in Bacula, and how well is it working out for you? I > desperately need a better solution here. We stick the old and the cheapest desktop SATA drives into a serve

Re: [Bacula-users] Looking to move away from tape

2019-09-17 Thread Heitor Faria
Hello Phil, > I'm going to be blunt — I'm sick and tired of all the maintenance and > media-replacement issues that come with tape (and the re-run backups > because the tape drive threw an error), and I'm looking to move to a > different form of backup media. Possibly something comparable to RDX

Re: [Bacula-users] Looking to move away from tape

2019-09-17 Thread Oliver Lehmann
Hi, why USB? Ever considered eSATA + external drive cage where you can plug in and out the harddrives easily? Using this for years now... usually my backup-drive remains in the system - I have just a second harddisk I plug in 4 or 5 times a year and then store it in a different physical l