Re: [Ayatana] Killing Menu Bars

2010-05-19 Thread Frederik Nnaji
On 2010-05-19, Tyler Brainerd wrote: > But I do like your idea, the more I think about it. I just opened up a few > things and sort of imagined what it would feel like to open options from a > title bar menu, and it really makes a lot of sense for some things, > especially for apps with simple eno

Re: [Ayatana] Killing Menu Bars

2010-05-18 Thread Frederik Nnaji
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 09:34, Robert Roth wrote: > > And yet another solution would be to show shortcuts with a sort of > tooltips - and forgive me for saying that, don't want to hurt anyone - > but for showing the hotkeys for multiple items the Office 2007 ribbon > control is a good example. I

Re: [Ayatana] Killing Menu Bars

2010-05-18 Thread Frederik Nnaji
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 09:34, Robert Roth wrote: > > And yet another solution would be to show shortcuts with a sort of > tooltips - and forgive me for saying that, don't want to hurt anyone - > but for showing the hotkeys for multiple items the Office 2007 ribbon > control is a good example. I

Re: [Ayatana] Killing Menu Bars

2010-05-18 Thread Tyler Brainerd
Ah, indeed! :D I was just having a discussion with a few people earlier today about how many times it seems like devs just toss stuff in there out of tradition, or status. It would be really great to see apps just taking out needless menu options instead of just trying to hide them But I do like

Re: [Ayatana] Killing Menu Bars

2010-05-18 Thread David Hamm
Of course this couldn't be applied to something like gimp, but for most applications, it would be a good thing. But then again gimp isn't included by default in Ubuntu anymore... ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@list

Re: [Ayatana] Killing Menu Bars

2010-05-18 Thread David Hamm
"cluttered to put every single thing in one title bar drop down" Very much so!!! Stuffing huge menu's into a drop down list is about as annoying as having to use menu's in the first place. Doing so forces the applications to clean them selves up, in a matter of speaking. _

Re: [Ayatana] Killing Menu Bars

2010-05-18 Thread Tyler Brainerd
Great mockup David! However, my main fear with that is it sort of hides those options under a lot of layers. My goal is more then just getting rid of the menu bars, its getting rid of stupidly repetitive unnecessary commands from easily cluttering view while at the same time increasing functionali

Re: [Ayatana] Killing Menu Bars

2010-05-17 Thread Luke Morton
On Mon, 2010-05-17 at 21:48 -0700, Tyler Brainerd wrote: > Ah. Well, you're making me work for things, thats for sure. Ha. It's what I do ;) > On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 9:37 PM, Luke Morton > wrote: > On Mon, 2010-05-17 at 20:38 -0700, Tyler Brainerd wrote: > > Actually, I added a

Re: [Ayatana] Killing Menu Bars

2010-05-17 Thread Luke Morton
On Mon, 2010-05-17 at 21:50 -0700, Tyler Brainerd wrote: > BTW, using gcalc as the example again, tooltips give the available key > shortcut. is this a good approach to discover-ability? That could work. It would require a change to GTK+ to allow tooltips to show on focus. As an extension to that

Re: [Ayatana] Killing Menu Bars

2010-05-17 Thread Tyler Brainerd
BTW, using gcalc as the example again, tooltips give the available key shortcut. is this a good approach to discover-ability? On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 9:37 PM, Luke Morton wrote: > On Mon, 2010-05-17 at 20:38 -0700, Tyler Brainerd wrote: > > Actually, I added a (extremely rough) mock up of what gc

Re: [Ayatana] Killing Menu Bars

2010-05-17 Thread Tyler Brainerd
Ah. Well, you're making me work for things, thats for sure. Ha. On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 9:37 PM, Luke Morton wrote: > On Mon, 2010-05-17 at 20:38 -0700, Tyler Brainerd wrote: > > Actually, I added a (extremely rough) mock up of what gcalc might look > > like. Basically, the most commonly used o

Re: [Ayatana] Killing Menu Bars

2010-05-17 Thread Luke Morton
On Mon, 2010-05-17 at 20:38 -0700, Tyler Brainerd wrote: > Actually, I added a (extremely rough) mock up of what gcalc might look > like. Basically, the most commonly used options ought to be > (categorically) available the easiest. I agree, although determining what's most commonly used is easie

Re: [Ayatana] Killing Menu Bars

2010-05-17 Thread Tyler Brainerd
"There are always ways, and i know Tyler takes taking things seriously religiously seriously" ? Just my repetitive grammar? Shucks. On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 8:37 PM, Frederik Nnaji wrote: > Yes Luke, it's a religious one, i agree.. > > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 05:15, Luke Morton > wrote: > >> "Cl

Re: [Ayatana] Killing Menu Bars

2010-05-17 Thread Frederik Nnaji
Yes Luke, it's a religious one, i agree.. On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 05:15, Luke Morton wrote: > "Cleaned up and optimised"; sounds like a good idea. How would you do > that for the gcalctool menus? (They seem pretty good to me.) > > General comments: > (Pertaining to the removal of menus and replac

Re: [Ayatana] Killing Menu Bars

2010-05-17 Thread Luke Morton
On Mon, 2010-05-17 at 18:47 -0700, Tyler Brainerd wrote: > I know, I know, we just had an announcement about changing menu's over > to global menu's for the UNE. But seriously, how necessary is 4 menus > in the calculator application "gcalctool"? The only menu options that > have anything to do wit

[Ayatana] Killing Menu Bars

2010-05-17 Thread Tyler Brainerd
I know, I know, we just had an announcement about changing menu's over to global menu's for the UNE. But seriously, how necessary is 4 menus in the calculator application "gcalctool"? The only menu options that have anything to do with actual calculator options are under the view menu. The rest is