Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7453-7469

2013-06-03 Thread Charles Walker
On 4 Jun 2013, at 07:22, com...@gmail.com wrote: > On Jun 3, 2013, at 10:44 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: > >> On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 1:28 AM, omd wrote: > 7469 3 0 O scshunt Proposal editing >>> AGAINST, shouldn't require support >> >> Yes it should, given that other players can pay to

DIS: Committees proto-proto

2013-06-04 Thread Charles Walker
On 4 Jun 2013, at 20:46, Tanner Swett wrote: > On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 8:36 AM, Sean Hunt wrote: >> No, this is awful because of the memory overhead. > > What memory overhead? Write a proto, put "submit the proposal" in your > to-do list for the day after tomorrow, forget about it, then it pops

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7453-7469

2013-06-05 Thread Charles Walker
On 4 Jun 2013, at 06:28, omd wrote: >> 7465 240 O Walker(untitled) > AGAINST May I ask why? -- Walker

Re: DIS: Committees proto-proto

2013-06-05 Thread Charles Walker
On 4 Jun 2013, at 22:38, omd wrote: > On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Charles Walker > wrote: >> - Promotor distributes in the first 4 days of each week (currently a >> proposal submitted on a Monday could wait just under two weeks before >> distribution without the

DIS: Committees Proto

2013-06-09 Thread Charles Walker
The following to my proto-proto. Amend Rule 2350 (Proposals) to read: A proposal is a type of entity consisting of a body of text and other attributes. A player (the author or proposer) CAN create a proposal by announcement, specifying its text and optionally specifying a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Stones

2013-06-12 Thread Charles Walker
On 12 Jun 2013 09:18, "omd" wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 1:08 AM, Charles Walker > wrote: > > I play stones at (lat, lon): (3, -3), (2, -3), (1, -3). > > Where are you all getting stones from? Igora was adopted after the > start of the week. Don't worry, it's imaginary anyway. Walker

DIS: Re: BUS: Giving it a shot

2013-06-14 Thread Charles Walker
On 14 Jun 2013 00:21, "Flameshadowxeroshin" wrote: > > I become active. Hello! -- Walker

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Yak niggles

2013-06-17 Thread Charles Walker
> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 1:44 AM, Sean Hunt > wrote: > [let the Promotor choose between proposals of equal distributability, > require distribution of distributability-0 proposals which I think was > an oversight] Both of these changes were supposed to be in my original proposal; I simply forg

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ

2013-06-17 Thread Charles Walker
On 17 June 2013 09:24, omd wrote: > > CFJ: It is generally possible for a party to send messages. I did actually consider a "CAN act w/o objection/ as permitted in constitution" clause, but thought we might need to bring back an "Acting on Behalf" Rule for that, so I left it. -- Walker

DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting Results for Proposals 7453-70

2013-06-17 Thread Charles Walker
On 17 June 2013 06:24, omd wrote: > x7453 2 0 O scshunt Criminal Accountability > x7454 2 0 O WalkerContract law > *7455 3 0 O omd We don't need judicial declarations > x7456 3 0 O omd We don't need induction > x7457 230 O Walker

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting Results for Proposals 7453-70

2013-06-17 Thread Charles Walker
On 17 June 2013 10:07, omd wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 1:53 AM, Charles Walker > wrote: > > You might want to add a standard preamble saying that you award the stated > > proposal fees to authors of adopted proposals (and the relevant amount to > > co-auth

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting Results for Proposals 7453-70

2013-06-17 Thread Charles Walker
On 17 June 2013 10:16, omd wrote: > On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 2:11 AM, Charles Walker > wrote: > > I don't know what you mean by 'out of time': it's past the ASAP deadline > but > > the awards CAN still be made. > > If the time limit is already brok

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ

2013-06-17 Thread Charles Walker
On 17 June 2013 09:35, Charles Walker wrote: > On 17 June 2013 09:24, omd wrote: > > > > CFJ: It is generally possible for a party to send messages. > > I did actually consider a "CAN act w/o objection/ as permitted in > constitution" clause, but thought we m

Re: DIS: On Agora's Vigintennial

2013-06-17 Thread Charles Walker
On 9 May 2013 01:13, Aaron Goldfein wrote: > If such a proposal were to pass, I would gladly volunteer to serve as the > officer. Additionally, I think we ought to start planning specific events > for the vigintennial. Otherwise, I imagine I would email old players, > telling them about the vigin

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting Results for Proposals 7453-70

2013-06-17 Thread Charles Walker
On 17 Jun 2013, at 20:19, Sean Hunt wrote: > On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 1:24 AM, omd wrote: >> 7468 240 O scshunt Fix Bug > > I submit a proposal identical to this one and threaten to resign all > my offices if it does not pass. Why did anyone vote against that? -- Walker

Re: DIS: Count me in

2013-06-18 Thread Charles Walker
On 18 Jun 2013 03:40, "Flameshadowxeroshin" wrote: > > I join Agora XX. So do I. -- Walker

Re: DIS: Agora XX: Proposal

2013-06-18 Thread Charles Walker
On 18 Jun 2013, at 13:08, "Chuck Carroll" wrote: > I propose that Rule 211 be amended to read: > > “Voters who voted against proposals which are adopted receive 2 points > apiece. Players whose proposals are adopted shall receive a random number of > points in the range 1-10 inclusive.” > >

DIS: Re: BUS: Voting Simplified

2013-06-19 Thread Charles Walker
On 19 Jun 2013 06:30, "Aaron Goldfein" wrote: > As an aside, I find it funny that I still think of Roujo as a "new" player, despite the fact that e has been playing for two and a half years now and that only two players have last registered longer ago. I still think of myself as a newbie. Agora

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Voting Simplified

2013-06-19 Thread Charles Walker
On 19 Jun 2013, at 20:12, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Wed, 19 Jun 2013, omd wrote: >> On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 8:30 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: I sometimes think of everyone who registered after me (6 years ago) as a newbie. Of course we have at least one player who played Agora's spiritual

DIS: Another Birthday Thing

2013-06-20 Thread Charles Walker
I propose a ##nomic session, with discussion of Agora's history and other chat. We can invite any ancients who reply to Yally's email. Would 22:00, UK time on the 29th be ok for most people? (We might want to look into organising a few of these if not). -- Walker

DIS: XX Proposal

2013-06-20 Thread Charles Walker
I propose that Rule 206 be amended to read: "Initially, each Voter has exactly one vote on each proposal. During the voting period on a proposal, a player with more than 50 points may cast an additional vote on that proposal by making a statement to that effect on the mailing list; this destroys 5

Re: DIS: Another Birthday Thing

2013-06-21 Thread Charles Walker
On 21 Jun 2013, at 03:40, Aaron Goldfein wrote: > On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:30 PM, Aaron Goldfein > wrote: >> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:27 PM, Aaron Goldfein >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 6:21 AM, Charles Walker &g

DIS: It's impermissible

2013-06-21 Thread Charles Walker
I propose that Rule 114 be made mutable. -- Walker

Re: DIS: Another Birthday Thing

2013-06-21 Thread Charles Walker
On 21 Jun 2013, at 03:40, Aaron Goldfein wrote: > On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:30 PM, Aaron Goldfein > wrote: >> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:27 PM, Aaron Goldfein >> wrote: >>> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 6:21 AM, Charles Walker >>> wrote: >>>> >

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3344 assigned to scshunt

2013-06-22 Thread Charles Walker
On 21 Jun 2013, at 22:11, Sean Hunt wrote: > Proposal: Track Constitutions (AI=2, PF=0, disi.) > {{{ > Amend the rule "Parties" by replacing "eir report includes a list of > all parties." with "eir report includes a list of all parties and eir > constitutions." > }}} This is already in the monthl

DIS: XX: Clarify rule change/ proposal definition, allow multiple changes per proposal

2013-06-22 Thread Charles Walker
This also introduces rule number stability by removing the last sentence of R109. I submit the following proposals: - Make Rule 106 mutable - Make Rule 107 mutable - Make Rule 109 mutable - Amend Rule 106 to read "A proposal is an ordered list of proposed rule changes. All proposals made in the pr

DIS: Agora XX: CFJ reassigned to Walker

2013-06-23 Thread Charles Walker
On 23 Jun 2013, at 13:17, Fool wrote: scshunt raised 2 CFJs which I was to rule on. I ruled on one with my 6th report, and procrastinated on this one: > I invoke judgement on whether Rule 304 had the power to repeal itself > without that rule change being voted on. I think that all rule changes

DIS: XX: typo proposal

2013-06-23 Thread Charles Walker
I propose to amend Rule 310 by replacing "inpermissible" with "impermissible". -- Walker

DIS: XX proposal

2013-06-23 Thread Charles Walker
I propose to make Rule 109 mutable. -- Walker

DIS: Agora XX: The Rights of the Majority

2013-06-24 Thread Charles Walker
I propose to amend Rule 324 by deleting the first sentence. -- Walker

Re: DIS: Agora XX: The Rights of the Majority

2013-06-24 Thread Charles Walker
Where can I read the Agora XX Rules? > > -- > Steve Gardner > via mobile > > On 24 Jun 2013 18:18, "Charles Walker" wrote: >> I propose to amend Rule 324 by deleting the first sentence. >> >> -- Walker

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Sensei] What's going on in Okinawa?

2013-06-24 Thread Charles Walker
On 24 June 2013 14:52, Tanner Swett wrote: > > I notice that this report is in HTML, but does not use tags around the tables, so if I'm looking at the HTML version of this message, the tables don't line up correctly. Apologies; I meant not to send it in HTML. I'd blame Gmail, but there's a sayin

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Voting Simplified

2013-06-24 Thread Charles Walker
On 19 June 2013 22:05, Kerim Aydin wrote: > 3. Massive Economic System (1999-2002); What was this like? In particular, what made it so massive compared to more recent economies that I've seen? -- Walker

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Voting Simplified

2013-06-24 Thread Charles Walker
On 24 Jun 2013, at 16:24, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Mon, 24 Jun 2013, Charles Walker wrote: >> On 19 June 2013 22:05, Kerim Aydin wrote: >>> 3. Massive Economic System (1999-2002); >> >> What was this like? In particular, what made it so massive compared to >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Voting Simplified

2013-06-24 Thread Charles Walker
On 24 Jun 2013, at 18:37, Kerim Aydin wrote: > This sort of three-fold action/house concept (Proposals, Voting, and > Justice) with separate currencies was carried over into Cards, but > I think over time, the paid systems have become more about buying > general specific actions without organizing

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: No Judicial Double Dipping

2013-06-24 Thread Charles Walker
On 24 Jun 2013, at 20:36, woggle wrote: > I submit the following proposal and pay Y20 to increase its Distributability. > > Proposal: No Judicial Double Dipping (AI=2, PF=21) > {{ > Amend rule 2403 (Judicial Fees) by replacing: > > As soon as possible after a player or an appeals panel jud

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Voting Simplified

2013-06-24 Thread Charles Walker
On 24 Jun 2013, at 18:37, Kerim Aydin wrote: > In Feb 2001 Agora was Slashdotted (just via high-placed comment). I think > it doubled in two weeks, and peaked a little while later in the 30+ players > (IIRC, maybe I'm exaggerating). The new players (like me) as a cohort > basically jumped into

Re: DIS: (no subject)

2013-06-25 Thread Charles Walker
On 25 Jun 2013 22:18, "Kerim Aydin" wrote: > On Tue, 25 Jun 2013, omd wrote: > > I submit that either I or my brother sent this message, but I won't > > reveal which one. My brother is not a Voter, so the move is legal iff > > I was the one who sent it. > > I put 10 doubloons in the coffer to pos

Re: DIS: Agora XX: Providing for a recurring game

2013-06-26 Thread Charles Walker
On 26 Jun 2013, at 03:05, Aaron Goldfein wrote: > Agora XX seems to be a huge success. I do think that we should go > ahead and end it on the 30th as we planned, but I would like to bring > it back in the future. This proposal provides for the game to be > played each year from the start of June

Re: DIS: Agora XX: Stop dicking with 311

2013-06-26 Thread Charles Walker
On 26 Jun 2013, at 04:57, Malcolm Ryan wrote: > I propose that a rule be enacted reading: > > "Any player who proposes to amend, renumber or repeal rule 311 is deemed to > have forfeited the game." > > I vote FOR this. > > M I vote against, as there is no longer any such rule. -- Walker

Re: DIS: Agora XX: Providing for a recurring game

2013-06-26 Thread Charles Walker
On 26 Jun 2013, at 09:55, Charles Walker wrote: > On 26 Jun 2013, at 03:05, Aaron Goldfein wrote: > >> Agora XX seems to be a huge success. I do think that we should go >> ahead and end it on the 30th as we planned, but I would like to bring >> it back in the future. Th

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3343: Time Limit Reached

2013-06-27 Thread Charles Walker
On 27 Jun 2013, at 18:22, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Thu, 27 Jun 2013, Jonathan Rouillard wrote: >> I recuse G. from CFJ 3343. > > Oh, right. Agora. I was just like: how could there be that > many CFJs in XX? > > Really sorry! > > proto (True Agora, not XX!) proposal: > The period of 14 day

Re: DIS: Agora XX: CFJ assigned to Walker

2013-06-27 Thread Charles Walker
On 27 June 2013 02:10, Fool wrote: > On 26/06/2013 10:09 AM, games...@chuckcarroll.org wrote: >> >> I invoke judgement on the following statement: The selection of a Judge >> for this statement is a move whose legality cannot be determined with >> finality. > > > By rule 331, I must randomly selec

DIS: Re: BUS: I register.

2013-06-28 Thread Charles Walker
On 28 Jun 2013, at 03:56, Sgeo wrote: > I register. Hello! -- Walker

Re: DIS: Pluralism

2013-06-28 Thread Charles Walker
On 2 April 2013 19:55, Wes Contreras wrote: > On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Aaron Goldfein > wrote: >> >> I must say, I'm somewhat alarmed by the recent flood of using "we" to mean >> "I." It's a good thing we're in a Gerontocracy. > > We've been doing that in Nomic-related posts for over a d

Re: DIS: Winning vs. stopping others from winning

2013-06-28 Thread Charles Walker
On 20 June 2013 22:43, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Thu, 20 Jun 2013, omd wrote: >> I consider wins by paradox to fall into this category, but since they >> tend to come out of nowhere and be unstoppable (typically the >> undefined behavior is achieved and CFJed on in a single message), >> there is no

Re: DIS: XX: something not actually related to XX

2013-06-28 Thread Charles Walker
On 28 June 2013 11:13, omd wrote: > On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 10:02 AM, Charles Walker > wrote: >> I happened to stumble across the message quoted below: > > Ah! That reminds me, since we have some additional players here who I > didn't attempt to contact before: if

Re: DIS: Agora XX: 11th report

2013-06-28 Thread Charles Walker
On 28 June 2013 05:49, Steven Gardner wrote: > What I'd be looking for is a ruleset which fixes bugs likes changing rule > numbers, defines simultaneity, incorporates some lessons about pragmatism in > a minimally committal way and generally leaves the rest open for players to > explore politics a

DIS: Re: BUS: I register

2013-06-28 Thread Charles Walker
On 28 Jun 2013 21:32, "Matt Berlin" wrote: > > If I am not registered, I register as "arkestra". > > If I am registered, and am considered "inactive", I come off hold. > > If neither of the above statements results in either a change in my registration status or a change in my player status, I der

DIS: Last minute voting

2013-06-29 Thread Charles Walker
I spend as many points as I can to purchase extra votes against 364. Walker

DIS: irc session reminder (XX players may be interested)

2013-06-29 Thread Charles Walker
There will be an irc session in celebration of Agora's birthday in the ##nomic channel on Sunday 30th June (tomorrow) starting at 21:00 UTC. The idea is to have a free flowing chat about Agora, its history and nomic in general between current and former players. I imagine there will also be people

Re: DIS: Agora XX: 13th and final report

2013-06-30 Thread Charles Walker
game statement, and I encourage other >> players to do likewise. >> >> Thanks for playing guys. And happy birthday Agora! > > Charles Walker, I'd be interested to see you the ruleset you've been working > on. Would you mind sending me a copy? I'd be happ

Re: DIS: Agora XX: 13th and final report

2013-06-30 Thread Charles Walker
On 30 Jun 2013, at 13:01, Michael Norrish wrote: > Now in the same Australian time-zone as Blob and Steve, rather than the > Wellington zone that I was in when the game began, I'm afraid the IRC > chat due in 9 hours from now is not likely to see me involved. As that makes three of the four old-t

Re: DIS: Agora XX: 13th and final report

2013-06-30 Thread Charles Walker
On 30 June 2013 14:48, Steven Gardner wrote: > For my part, 9pm local time (1100 UTC), after the kids are in bed, is when > I'm more likely to have time to chat. > > But tomorrow (Monday) night I'll probably be out seeing a friend, and > Tuesday I'm leaving for a family holiday for 5 days and I'm

Re: DIS: Agora XX: 13th and final report

2013-06-30 Thread Charles Walker
On 30 June 2013 15:28, Steven Gardner wrote: > Wait though: 9pm in Melbourne is 11am in London, but 4am in Los Angeles and > 7am in New York. Fine for Europeans, but terrible for Americans. Aren't most > of the currently registered Agoran players Americans? Yes: apart from me and ais523, I think

Re: DIS: Agora XX: 13th and final report

2013-06-30 Thread Charles Walker
On 30 June 2013 18:14, Fool wrote: > Agoran CFJs take days or weeks. In XX it was 24 hours, and people were > online at different times. In some cases it seemed like people were cranking > out these fairly long well-reasoned monologues out on the fly. I guess that > comes with experience or someth

DIS: Note to H. CotC

2013-06-30 Thread Charles Walker
The "Judgement" column on this page isn't working, or indeed on any other page which is a list of cases. http://cotc.psychose.ca/list.php -- Walker

Re: DIS: Agora XX: 13th and final report

2013-06-30 Thread Charles Walker
On 30 June 2013 21:50, Fool wrote: > On 30/06/2013 3:47 PM, Charles Walker wrote: >> Well, I don't particularly care about Win by Paradox (it depends if >> the game ends when someone wins as to whether I would repeal it) > > > I realise a "win" is mostly cos

DIS: Re: BUS: Hrm

2013-06-30 Thread Charles Walker
On 30 June 2013 22:15, omd wrote: > On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 4:47 PM, Sean Hunt > wrote: >> I CFJ on {If omd fails to report a list of alliances by the end of the >> day today, e will in doing so forfeit eir Registrar Salary for the >> month of June.} > > Why exactly do we have both parties and a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Herald Election

2013-06-30 Thread Charles Walker
On 30 June 2013 22:57, Kerim Aydin wrote: > How about a new addition to the Ruleset: > > A Badge is any patent title with the word 'badge' as part of its > name. A badge SHOULD be used to award multiple persons for > participating in specific event of note within Agora. Any player

Re: DIS: Birthday message from Peter Suber

2013-06-30 Thread Charles Walker
On 30 June 2013 23:32, Steven Gardner wrote: > From: "Peter Suber" > Date: 1 Jul 2013 07:13 > Subject: Re: Agora Nomic celebrates 20 years > To: "Steven Gardner" > Cc: > >> >> >> Dear Agoranomicists, >> >> Congratulations on your 20 year game of Nomic. To my knowledge, you're >> taking part in t

DIS: XX/ Birthday irc chat logs

2013-07-01 Thread Charles Walker
If anyone wants them, let me know. -- Walker

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7499-7502

2013-07-01 Thread Charles Walker
On 1 Jul 2013, at 15:37, omd wrote: > On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 8:39 AM, Charles Walker > wrote: >> CoE: What happened to my proposals? > > On further review, I misattributed one proposal by you, 7497, to > myself, but I don't think I missed any. Please let me know w

DIS: Re: BUS: proto: infractions

2013-07-01 Thread Charles Walker
On 29 April 2013 17:53, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Proto: basic Infractions mechanism (Discuss!) > > - > Create the following power-2 Rule, Infractions: > > Crimes and Infractions are explicitly Rules-defined breaches of >

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7482-7498

2013-07-01 Thread Charles Walker
On 1 July 2013 01:09, Sean Hunt wrote: >> 7492 2 50 O Walker Good Judgement > AGAINST; this is hardly a proposal worth 50 Yaks. I spent Y40 on making this extra Distributable, so I would only make a small profit if it passes. I suppose the fact that voters might not know about Distribut

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Going soft on crime

2013-07-02 Thread Charles Walker
On 2 July 2013 03:30, Sgeo wrote: > I feel uncomfortable with the notion that the punishment for a crime is > dictated by a seemingly unrelated rule, and if that rule changes, the > punishment could end up changing underneath people's feet. Don't think of changing the registration delay as changi

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Herald Election

2013-07-02 Thread Charles Walker
On 2 July 2013 13:10, Ed Murphy wrote: > scshunt wrote: >> I hereby initiate the Agoran Decision to select the Herald. The >> candidates are scshunt and G., each with Proposed Salary 100. >> >> The valid options are the candidates, the eligible voters are the >> active players, and the vote collec

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Herald Election

2013-07-02 Thread Charles Walker
On 2 July 2013 13:28, Charles Walker wrote: > On 2 July 2013 13:10, Ed Murphy wrote: >> scshunt wrote: >>> I hereby initiate the Agoran Decision to select the Herald. The >>> candidates are scshunt and G., each with Proposed Salary 100. >>> >>> The v

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Herald Election

2013-07-02 Thread Charles Walker
On 2 July 2013 14:07, Max Schutz wrote: > since the census says i am inactive ibecome active again and do i just vote > here or is there a bizzare procedure to voting There's no particularly bizzare procedure: you just write "I vote for X", or whatever. But both becoming active and voting have to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: proto: infractions

2013-07-02 Thread Charles Walker
On 1 July 2013 23:35, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Mon, 1 Jul 2013, Charles Walker wrote: >> On 29 April 2013 17:53, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> > Proto: basic Infractions mechanism (Discuss!) >> >> G., do you still intend to propose this? > > I haven't taken it any

DIS: Question

2013-07-02 Thread Charles Walker
If an officer is required to perform a specific action (e.g. award N Yaks to Walker) and the office changes hands, does that specific requirement go along with it? Or is the new officer NOT GUILTY if e fails to award me those particular Yaks? What if the office changes hands one day before the end

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: proto: infractions

2013-07-02 Thread Charles Walker
On 2 July 2013 17:51, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Well, here's a question for you (pertains to the Infractions proto too). > Should we try for a multi-currency system of some kind (with multiple > bank currencies of different liquidity) or stick with Yaks for everything > for the time being. (Not sure t

DIS: Economic Actions Proto

2013-07-02 Thread Charles Walker
I find all the instances of "spend N Yaks, where N is the value of the Something Switch, a Budget Switch" and suchlike in the Rules to be ugly. The Tax Rule is the worst (best?) example of this. Of course, it's all my fault, because I mostly wrote the Rules in question, so I'd like to rectify the s

DIS: Proto: Photons (i.e. Ribbons Hard Mode)

2013-07-03 Thread Charles Walker
[ A replacement Ribbons system in which all awards are "hard". Some of the easier Photons are the same difficulty as some of the harder Ribbons. I've tried to cover the full range of ways of participating in Agora, but the requirement of "no easy awards" means there's nothing to do with judging a c

Re: DIS: Proto: Photons (i.e. Ribbons Hard Mode)

2013-07-03 Thread Charles Walker
On 3 July 2013 16:09, Sean Hunt wrote: > On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Charles Walker > wrote: >> [ A replacement Ribbons system in which all awards are "hard". Some of >> the easier Photons are the same difficulty as some of the harder >> Ribbons. I'v

Re: DIS: Proto: Photons (i.e. Ribbons Hard Mode)

2013-07-03 Thread Charles Walker
On 3 July 2013 16:31, Sean Hunt wrote: > On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Charles Walker > wrote: >> Er, not sure what you're on about. I'm aware of the fix proposal and >> the proposal to repeal Ribbons. I was protoing this in the expectation >> that the latter

Re: DIS: Proto: Photons (i.e. Ribbons Hard Mode)

2013-07-03 Thread Charles Walker
On 3 July 2013 16:39, Sean Hunt wrote: > On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Charles Walker > wrote: >> I just looked at a couple of 2010 SLRs. Looks similar to the current >> Ribbons. What about it? >> >> -- Walker >> > > Among other things, a thesis was

Re: DIS: Proto: Photons (i.e. Ribbons Hard Mode)

2013-07-03 Thread Charles Walker
On 3 July 2013 18:32, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Wed, 3 Jul 2013, Charles Walker wrote: >> The Herald is the recordkeeper of Photons. > > I think this goes too far the other direction. Looking for a middle > ground. Here's the suggestions I posted a couple weeks ago:

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Gerontocracy Fix

2013-07-03 Thread Charles Walker
On 4 July 2013 02:40, Sean Hunt wrote: > On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 9:36 PM, Alex Smith wrote: >> On Thu, 2013-07-04 at 02:33 +0100, Charles Walker wrote: >>> I submit the following proposal and request that the H. Promotor >>> distribute it as soon as possible, be

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Gerontocracy Fix

2013-07-03 Thread Charles Walker
On 4 July 2013 02:46, Alex Smith wrote: > On Wed, 2013-07-03 at 21:40 -0400, Sean Hunt wrote: >> On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 9:36 PM, Alex Smith wrote: >> > You're requesting speedy distribution without paying the fee for speedy >> > distribution? >> >> There's a fee? > > I thought the idea behind pro

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Gerontocracy Fix

2013-07-03 Thread Charles Walker
On 4 July 2013 03:01, omd wrote: > On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 9:48 PM, Charles Walker > wrote: >> Amend Rule 2410 (Parties) by replacing "Party members SHALL obey their >> party's constitution." with "Party members SHALL obey their party's >> co

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Gerontocracy Fix

2013-07-04 Thread Charles Walker
On 4 Jul 2013, at 15:01, Sean Hunt wrote: > On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 5:42 AM, Charles Walker > wrote: >> [ This includes the fix to CAN but SHALL NOT, see paragraph 3 of the >> first Rule. ] > > This is about the only proposal I actually like. Do you mean that's the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Gerontocracy Fix

2013-07-04 Thread Charles Walker
On 4 Jul 2013, at 15:58, Sean Hunt wrote: > On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Charles Walker > wrote: >> On 4 Jul 2013, at 15:01, Sean Hunt wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 5:42 AM, Charles Walker >>> wrote: >>>> [ This includes the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Gerontocracy Fix

2013-07-04 Thread Charles Walker
On 4 Jul 2013, at 16:42, omd wrote: > Amend Rule 2398 (Yaks) by appending: > > Yak Masters CAN award and destroy Yaks by announcement, but > doing so except as otherwise made POSSIBLE by the Rules, or as > follows, is the Class-7 Crime of Administrative Error: After a > Yak Ma

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Gerontocracy Fix

2013-07-04 Thread Charles Walker
On 4 Jul 2013, at 16:42, omd wrote: > On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 11:18 AM, omd wrote: >> Contract requirements aren't implicit, they're just indirect. How >> about "SHALL NOT, except where otherwise explicitly permitted"? And >> stick in "players MAY destroy their own Yaks" or whatever. > > Actual

DIS: Nomic Art

2013-07-04 Thread Charles Walker
"To celebrate Walt Whitman Week, Northwestern MFA candidate Caroline Carlsmith has installed a piece in University Library titled "I Am Now With You: Playing Nomic With Walt Whitman 1855-2012." Nomic, created by Northwestern alum and philosopher Peter Suber as a representation of of Democratic s

DIS: While I'm thinking about Yak awards

2013-07-04 Thread Charles Walker
Proto: At the start of each month, each player who a) was nothing other than standing and sitting b) missed no deadlines for judging judicial cases or opining on appeal cases, and c) was the prior judge of no cases which were appealed with prejudice in the previous month, earns 100 Yaks. This i

DIS: irc reminder

2013-07-04 Thread Charles Walker
There will be an irc session in ##nomic (hopefully with a few old-timers) at 1100 UTC, Sunday 7th July. Bring your best Agoran history trivia! -- Walker

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Ambassadorial Actions

2013-07-04 Thread Charles Walker
On 5 July 2013 01:09, Jonathan Rouillard wrote: > I support, although I'd rather use Over/Finished, whichever was passed > by proposal. Neither has passed yet; ask me again when one has. -- Walker

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Surprise Distribution of Proposals 7497, 7503-7515

2013-07-05 Thread Charles Walker
On 5 Jul 2013, at 21:26, Alex Smith wrote: >> 7506 1 30 O Walker ais523's Rule > FOR, I guess; a little simplistic, but who am I to vote down a proposal > named after me? It's simplistic on its own, but the earning of Yaks and the tradeoff between spending Yaks on other things and saving

Re: DIS: (no subject)

2013-07-07 Thread Charles Walker
On 8 Jul 2013 01:15, "Lindar Greenwood" wrote: > > I register. I support Fool's intent to found the Serious party, and I do so. Welcome! NttPF (Not to the Public Forum): which is agora-business. All in-game actions must be taken there. Also, your attempt to "do so" fails anyway because of the o

Re: DIS: Would I be an Elder if I registered?

2013-07-09 Thread Charles Walker
On 9 Jul 2013 10:44, "Ørjan Johansen" wrote: > > On Mon, 8 Jul 2013, Alex Smith wrote: > >> I meant "buggy requirement" as a hypothetical in my quote (as in, >> "satisfies the requirement if it's bugged"). >> >> FWIW, I meant omd's interpretation when I wrote the rule originally. Not >> that that

Re: DIS: scshunt, walker, feel free...

2013-07-09 Thread Charles Walker
On 8 Jul 2013, at 20:33, Kerim Aydin wrote: > I'm not going to get around to proposing infractions or > ribbon changes anytime soon, if interested parties want > to move ahead with that. -g. Will be looking at doing these in a few weeks. -- Walker

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Personnel File & Time Sheet

2013-07-09 Thread Charles Walker
On 9 Jul 2013, at 22:08, Sean Hunt wrote: > On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Charles Walker > wrote: >> On 9 Jul 2013, at 18:12, Sean Hunt wrote: >>> All office-holders are currently Independent. >> >> I CoE this. >> >> -- Walker > > Admit

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Ambassador-at-Large] Foreign Relations

2013-07-15 Thread Charles Walker
On 13 Jul 2013 05:02, "Tanner Swett" wrote: > > Dear Ambassador-at-Large Charles Walker, and the other players of Agora Nomic: > > I am writing to ask Agora's opinion regarding trade with the nomic Entreco. We are currently discussing ways of allowing the players

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: The Wisconsin Line-Item Veto

2013-07-15 Thread Charles Walker
On 15 Jul 2013 04:07, "omd" wrote: > > On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 1:43 AM, omd wrote: > > Proposal: The Wisconsin Line-Item Veto (AI=2) > > Proposal: The Wisconsin Line-Item Veto (AI=2) Very interesting, but AGAINST so long as it repeals Sir Humphrey. I'd like to see an example of what you would h

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Voting auctions

2013-07-16 Thread Charles Walker
On 15 Jul 2013 22:29, "omd" wrote: > > Proposal: Voting auctions (AI=2, PF=Y50) Weird: was just about to propose a similar thing, but the expiration date mechanism is more interesting than what I had in mind. FOR.

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: The Wisconsin Line-Item Veto

2013-07-16 Thread Charles Walker
omd wrote: > [Update 2: Nerfs to 45 days and brings back the Cabinet Secretary with > a different job. The wisdom of making the Cabinet Secretary a > Minister in the first place will have to be left to those better > versed in eighties-era TV shows.] Admitted, Cabinet Secretary should really be a

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 3373, 3374 assigned to scshunt

2013-07-16 Thread Charles Walker
John Smith wrote: > If I were a player, I'd call for reconsideration. But since I'm not, could someone else please do so? You should register.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Returning Officer] And what you've all been waiting for...

2013-07-20 Thread Charles Walker
On 20 July 2013 16:28, Sean Hunt wrote: > On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Charles Walker > wrote: >> FOOL (28) >> Machiavelli > > CoE: Machiavelli was inactive at the time of eir ballot, making it > invalid (Rule 683). Admitted. This would give Fool 24 votes and

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