Re: OFF: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [EMERGENCY] Fooey to Tue

2023-04-18 Thread juan via agora-discussion
Janet Cobb via agora-discussion [2023-04-18 17:08]: > On 4/18/23 17:00, juan via agora-official wrote: > > juan [2023-04-14 16:37]: > >> I intend, without objection, to flip the Publicity of Tue to Foreign. > > I do so. > > > > Was this the intent sent to tue? I didn't receive it if so. 🤦 -- ju

Re: OFF: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [EMERGENCY] Fooey to Tue

2023-04-18 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 4/18/23 17:00, juan via agora-official wrote: > juan [2023-04-14 16:37]: >> I intend, without objection, to flip the Publicity of Tue to Foreign. > I do so. > Was this the intent sent to tue? I didn't receive it if so. -- Janet Cobb Assessor, Rulekeepor, S​tonemason

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [EMERGENCY] Fooey to Tue

2023-04-14 Thread juan via agora-discussion
Janet Cobb via agora-discussion [2023-04-14 15:04]: > On 4/14/23 14:57, nix via agora-business wrote: > > I intend, with 3 Agoran Consent, to enact the following emergency > > regulation: > > > > {The PM CAN flip the publicity of Tue to Foreign, by announcement.} > > > > It's time to let tue sleep

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Emergency] Mass Destruction

2020-06-22 Thread omd via agora-discussion
On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 8:33 PM Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > But you're not PM... For now.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Emergency Fix and Expansion

2020-03-22 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 6:12 PM Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 at 21:01, Aris Merchant via agora-business > wrote: > > > > I submit the following proposals. > > > > -Aris > > --- > > Title: Fix Emergencies > > Adoption index: 3.0 >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Emergency Fix Proposal

2009-08-29 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sat, 29 Aug 2009, Pavitra wrote: > Kerim Aydin wrote: >> And it's also true under the related legal maxim (not mathematical logic) >> of exceptio probat regulam (de rebus non exceptis). Overuse of >> mathematical symbolic constructs in the courts and in law makes us forget >> that legal logic

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Emergency Fix Proposal

2009-08-29 Thread Pavitra
comex wrote: > On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Pavitra wrote: >> It occurs to me that R754(3) fails to establish a precedence relation >> between legal and mathematical definitions. > > I've never seen "if A, then B" used as iff as an _expression_-- to > answer "is it true that if A, then B?". I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Emergency Fix Proposal

2009-08-29 Thread comex
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Pavitra wrote: > It occurs to me that R754(3) fails to establish a precedence relation > between legal and mathematical definitions. I've never seen "if A, then B" used as iff as an _expression_-- to answer "is it true that if A, then B?". -- -c.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Emergency Fix Proposal

2009-08-29 Thread Pavitra
Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Sat, 29 Aug 2009, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> On Fri, 28 Aug 2009, Elliott Hird wrote: >>> 2009/8/28 Roger Hicks : (If X then Y) implies (if X then Y else (not Y)) >>> >>> Jesus >>> flippin' >>> Christ >>> on >>> a >>> pogo >>> stick >>> Please tell me this was a typo. >> >>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Emergency Fix Proposal

2009-08-29 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sat, 29 Aug 2009, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Fri, 28 Aug 2009, Elliott Hird wrote: >> 2009/8/28 Roger Hicks : >>> (If X then Y) implies (if X then Y else (not Y)) >> >> Jesus >> flippin' >> Christ >> on >> a >> pogo >> stick >> Please tell me this was a typo. > > It's true for CANs on regulated th

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Emergency Fix Proposal

2009-08-29 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 28 Aug 2009, Elliott Hird wrote: > 2009/8/28 Roger Hicks : >> (If X then Y) implies (if X then Y else (not Y)) > > Jesus > flippin' > Christ > on > a > pogo > stick > Please tell me this was a typo. It's true for CANs on regulated things because the default state is not Y.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Emergency Fix Proposal

2009-08-28 Thread Pavitra
Roger Hicks wrote: > I don't see the equivalence. (If X then Y) implies (if X then Y else > (not Y)) which is why it seems broken to me. I believe you're confusing "if" with "iff". Do we need to add IF,IMPLIES,SUFFICIENT and IFF,IF AND ONLY IF,NECESSARY AND SUFFICIENT to MMI? signature.asc Des

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Emergency Fix Proposal

2009-08-28 Thread ais523
On Fri, 2009-08-28 at 16:52 +0100, ais523 wrote: > "If X then Y" implies nothing about the truth value of Y if X turns out > to be true. That should read: > "If X then Y" implies nothing about the truth value of Y if X turns > out to be false. Obviously, I suck at correcting things. -- ais523

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Emergency Fix Proposal

2009-08-28 Thread ais523
On Fri, 2009-08-28 at 16:52 +0100, ais523 wrote: > On Fri, 2009-08-28 at 09:45 -0600, Roger Hicks wrote: > > I don't see the equivalence. (If X then Y) implies (if X then Y else > > (not Y)) which is why it seems broken to me. > Err, no it doesn't. > > "If X then Y" implies nothing about the truth

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Emergency Fix Proposal

2009-08-28 Thread Elliott Hird
2009/8/28 Roger Hicks : > (If X then Y) implies (if X then Y else (not Y)) Jesus flippin' Christ on a pogo stick Please tell me this was a typo.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Emergency Fix Proposal

2009-08-28 Thread ais523
On Fri, 2009-08-28 at 09:45 -0600, Roger Hicks wrote: > I don't see the equivalence. (If X then Y) implies (if X then Y else > (not Y)) which is why it seems broken to me. Err, no it doesn't. "If X then Y" implies nothing about the truth value of Y if X turns out to be true. -- ais523

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Emergency Fix Proposal

2009-08-28 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 09:22, comex wrote: > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 28, 2009, at 8:08 AM, Roger Hicks wrote: >>> >> Well, to be honest the whole thing doesn't make sense. comex's >> arguments only further convinced me that the rule has been broken all >> along. I retract the above pro

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Emergency Fix Proposal

2009-08-28 Thread comex
Sent from my iPhone On Aug 28, 2009, at 8:08 AM, Roger Hicks wrote: Well, to be honest the whole thing doesn't make sense. comex's arguments only further convinced me that the rule has been broken all along. I retract the above proposal (which wasn't distributable anyway because I forgot II

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Emergency exit, part 2

2008-09-22 Thread ais523
On Sat, 2008-09-20 at 23:50 -0400, Sgeo wrote: > On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 9:26 PM, Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 6:34 PM, ais523 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I still have a strong feeling that Agora needs some sort of safety valve > >> to escape from situat

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Emergency exit, part 2

2008-09-22 Thread ais523
On Sat, 2008-09-20 at 20:10 -0400, ihope wrote: > The proposal system's 12 (actually higher than 12, of course) gets > bigger whenever 26 gets bigger. A with-support rule's 12 does not. I challenge that "actually higher"; barring vetos, I believe that a team of 11 Scamsters working together could c

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Emergency exit, part 2

2008-09-20 Thread Sgeo
On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 9:26 PM, Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 6:34 PM, ais523 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I still have a strong feeling that Agora needs some sort of safety valve >> to escape from situations where the normal proposal system doesn't work, >>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Emergency exit, part 2

2008-09-20 Thread ihope
On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 9:26 PM, Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 6:34 PM, ais523 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I still have a strong feeling that Agora needs some sort of safety valve >> to escape from situations where the normal proposal system doesn't work, >>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Emergency exit, part 2

2008-09-20 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 6:34 PM, ais523 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I still have a strong feeling that Agora needs some sort of safety valve > to escape from situations where the normal proposal system doesn't work, > maybe after seeing it happen to B Nomic at least twice in the last year. B does

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Emergency exit, part 2

2008-09-20 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sat, 20 Sep 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: >> Nobody has 12 friends. Unless, I guess, they're non-Agoran friends who >> all register at once. Maybe we could limit registrations to >> one-per-week-or-without-three-objections. > > That was the sort of situation I met, and I don't think this would be > wo

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Emergency exit, part 2

2008-09-20 Thread Ben Caplan
> >> No, it has the problem that anybody with 12 friends can do > >> anything they want. > > > > Isn't this true of the proposal system in general, for > > sufficiently large values of 12? > > The proposal system's 12 (actually higher than 12, of course) gets > bigger whenever 26 gets bigger. A wit

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Emergency exit, part 2

2008-09-20 Thread ihope
On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 7:30 PM, Ben Caplan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Saturday 20 September 2008 05:53:58 pm Ian Kelly wrote: >> No, it has the problem that anybody with 12 friends can do anything >> they want. > > Isn't this true of the proposal system in general, for sufficiently > large va

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Emergency exit, part 2

2008-09-20 Thread Ben Caplan
On Saturday 20 September 2008 05:53:58 pm Ian Kelly wrote: > No, it has the problem that anybody with 12 friends can do anything > they want. Isn't this true of the proposal system in general, for sufficiently large values of 12?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Emergency exit, part 2

2008-09-20 Thread Ian Kelly
On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 5:03 PM, ihope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 6:53 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 4:34 PM, ais523 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> I still have a strong feeling that Agora needs some sort of safety valve >>> to escape

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Emergency exit, part 2

2008-09-20 Thread ihope
On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 6:53 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 4:34 PM, ais523 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I still have a strong feeling that Agora needs some sort of safety valve >> to escape from situations where the normal proposal system doesn't work, >> maybe

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Emergency exit, part 2

2008-09-20 Thread Ian Kelly
On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 4:34 PM, ais523 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I still have a strong feeling that Agora needs some sort of safety valve > to escape from situations where the normal proposal system doesn't work, > maybe after seeing it happen to B Nomic at least twice in the last year. > I tho

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Emergency exit, part 2

2008-09-20 Thread ais523
On Sat, 2008-09-20 at 16:31 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: > On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 3:58 PM, ais523 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I submit the following proposal (AI=3, II=1): > > > > Add a rule with the following text, and set its power to 3: > > {{{ > > Any player can make arbitrary changes to th

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Emergency!

2008-05-10 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sun, 11 May 2008, Elliott Hird wrote: > 2008/5/9 Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Does IRCNomic actually have enough players to successfully invade Agora? >> >> -root >> > > s/IRCNomic/Canada/ > > And no. No it does not. Canada doesn't have enough players to invade Agora? I always said they

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Emergency!

2008-05-10 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/5/9 Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Does IRCNomic actually have enough players to successfully invade Agora? > > -root > s/IRCNomic/Canada/ And no. No it does not. ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Emergency!

2008-05-10 Thread comex
On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Josiah Worcester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As a former IRCNomician, I SUPPORT. Let the fun begin. NttPF.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Emergency!

2008-05-10 Thread Josiah Worcester
On 19:19 Sat 10 May , Elliott Hird wrote: > 2008/5/10 Josiah Worcester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > As a former IRCNomician, I SUPPORT. Let the fun begin. > > 'Former' is questionable, as you are in #ircnomic and have not opted out. > > ehird I don't pay attention much. I've opted out alreay.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Emergency!

2008-05-10 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/5/10 Josiah Worcester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > As a former IRCNomician, I SUPPORT. Let the fun begin. 'Former' is questionable, as you are in #ircnomic and have not opted out. ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Emergency!

2008-05-09 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 9 May 2008, Ed Murphy wrote: >> On 5/9/08, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 10:15 AM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> > Hora iam est pro Viri Clarissimi venire succuro pro patria. >>> >>> Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of th

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Emergency!

2008-05-09 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > gives "Hour now is for Green Clarissimi to come to run up under > for fatherland." I'll draw up the proposal to rename Ribbons to Clarissimi right away.

RE: DIS: Re: BUS: Emergency!

2008-05-09 Thread Alexander Smith
Well, in my opinion, that translation certainly isn't a valid reason to call for an emergency session. -- ais523 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Ed Murphy Sent: Fri 09/05/2008 20:06 To: agora-discussion@agoranomic.org Subject: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Emer

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Emergency!

2008-05-09 Thread Ed Murphy
Eris wrote: > On 5/9/08, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 10:15 AM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > Hora iam est pro Viri Clarissimi venire succuro pro patria. >> >> Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country? > > I thought i

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Emergency!

2008-05-09 Thread Taral
On 5/9/08, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 10:15 AM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hora iam est pro Viri Clarissimi venire succuro pro patria. > > Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country? I thought it said "Now is the time

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Emergency!

2008-05-09 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 10:15 AM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hora iam est pro Viri Clarissimi venire succuro pro patria. > Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Emergency!

2008-05-08 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/5/9 Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I'm not surprised. comex also proposed the B Nomic proposal to > declare war on Agora. > > -root > Of course, rubbish has many uses as well - especially if it can be recycled. ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Emergency!

2008-05-08 Thread comex
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 8:00 PM, Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 4. comex is the one who proposed the 'war' proposal and it was quickly > shot down and ignored. A minor technicality.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Emergency!

2008-05-08 Thread Ian Kelly
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 6:00 PM, Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 4. comex is the one who proposed the 'war' proposal and it was quickly > shot down and ignored. I'm not surprised. comex also proposed the B Nomic proposal to declare war on Agora. -root