Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1845: assign OscarMeyr

2007-12-27 Thread Benjamin Schultz
On Dec 27, 2007, at 7:14 PM, Zefram wrote: Benjamin Schultz wrote: R2149 was specified clearly enough that the H. CotC was able to process the intended CFJ and assign the case for a ruling. You misremember: actually I rejected that message, having not pe

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1845: assign OscarMeyr

2007-12-27 Thread Zefram
Benjamin Schultz wrote: > R2149 was specified clearly >enough that the H. CotC was able to process the intended CFJ and >assign the case for a ruling. You misremember: actually I rejected that message, having not perceived a specification of rule allegedly

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1845: assign OscarMeyr

2007-12-26 Thread Benjamin Schultz
Draft #3: R1504 lays out the requirements for initiating a criminal case, that the CFJ message must clearly specify: a) The identity of the defendant. b) Exactly one rule allegedly breached by the defendant. c) The action (which may be a failure to perform another action)

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1845: assign OscarMeyr

2007-12-24 Thread Ed Murphy
OscarMeyr wrote: b) comex referred to R2149 in eir arguments, and presented no other rule in the message as provided to this CFJ. A statement in the CFJ argument is not a clear designation in the CFJ statement proper of the rule allegedly breached. FAIL Criminal cases don't have statement

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1845: assign OscarMeyr

2007-12-24 Thread Zefram
Benjamin Schultz wrote: >Given that comex did not meet the requirement (b) for submitting a >criminal CFJ, I rule FALSE. That matches my logic. You could perhaps do with expanding your discussion of what constitutes clarity. -zefram

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1845: assign OscarMeyr

2007-12-24 Thread Benjamin Schultz
On Dec 23, 2007, at 12:01 PM, Zefram wrote: Benjamin Schultz wrote: This CFJ may hinge on an adequate specification of "clearly specify." Yes. I think "clearly specify" is a stronger requirement than "specify". -zefram After further review, I think comex did

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1845: assign OscarMeyr

2007-12-23 Thread Zefram
Benjamin Schultz wrote: > This CFJ may hinge on an adequate >specification of "clearly specify." Yes. I think "clearly specify" is a stronger requirement than "specify". -zefram

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1845: assign OscarMeyr

2007-12-23 Thread Benjamin Schultz
On Dec 20, 2007, at 7:31 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: Zefram wrote: Benjamin Schultz wrote: b) comex referred to R2149 in eir arguments, and presented no other rule in the message as provided to this CFJ. I consider this to adequately identify the rule in question (although not as clearly as

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1845: assign OscarMeyr

2007-12-20 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: Benjamin Schultz wrote: b) comex referred to R2149 in eir arguments, and presented no other rule in the message as provided to this CFJ. I consider this to adequately identify the rule in question (although not as clearly as I might prefer). PASS Rule 1504 says that the

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1845: assign OscarMeyr

2007-12-20 Thread Zefram
Benjamin Schultz wrote: >b) comex referred to R2149 in eir arguments, and presented no other >rule in the message as provided to this CFJ. I consider this to >adequately identify the rule in question (although not as clearly as >I might prefer). PASS Rule 1504 says that the announcement m

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1845: assign OscarMeyr

2007-12-20 Thread Benjamin Schultz
On Dec 20, 2007, at 6:16 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: OscarMeyr wrote: (Murphy owes the Oracle four pieces of fluff and any hand tool.) Would you settle for three pints and a sandwich? Don't forget the peanuts. - Benjamin Schultz KE3OM OscarMeyr

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1845: assign OscarMeyr

2007-12-20 Thread Ed Murphy
OscarMeyr wrote: (Murphy owes the Oracle four pieces of fluff and any hand tool.) Would you settle for three pints and a sandwich?

DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1845: assign OscarMeyr

2007-12-20 Thread Benjamin Schultz
PROTO JUDGEMENT in CFJ 1845: R1504 lays out the requirements for initiating a criminal case: a) The identity of the defendant. b) Exactly one rule allegedly breached by the defendant. c) The action (which may be a failure to perform another action) by which the defend