Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie CFJs and Finger pointing

2018-04-25 Thread Aris Merchant
I don't think we want to waive platonism to that degree. However, it would seem reasonable for you to issue a ruling on both now, and then only formalize it once it actually gets assigned to you, given that you've already gone through the waiting period once. Does anyone else object to that arraign

DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie CFJs and Finger pointing

2018-04-25 Thread Aris Merchant
I'm glad to hear no one has objected to you personally, I like to think we're better than that. ;) -Aris On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 6:20 PM, Ned Strange wrote: > I assign this CFJ to myself, being without objections. > > On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 6:33 PM, Ned Strange wrote: >> I think you intended t

DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie CFJs and Finger pointing

2018-04-25 Thread Ned Strange
Excuse me, these are 2 CFJs. Would Agora see fit to interpret my actions as assigning both CFJs to myself? On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 11:20 AM, Ned Strange wrote: > I assign this CFJ to myself, being without objections. > > On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 6:33 PM, Ned Strange wrote: >> I think you intended

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie CFJs and Finger pointing

2018-04-19 Thread Corona
​Perhaps the finger pointing rule should​ be rewritten to start the time limit when the legality status of the action first becomes ILLEGAL, so that there is always enough time to point a finger. Anyways, even if the Referee decides to levy a fine on me, this is like the smallest offense imaginabl

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie CFJs and Finger pointing

2018-04-19 Thread Aris Merchant
At the time when they placed the bid, because the rule is phrased as happening at that time but depending upon future information. That's the one thing I can think of which isn't great, and why I said _significantly_ worse. -Aris On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 10:08 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > For the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie CFJs and Finger pointing

2018-04-19 Thread Kerim Aydin
For the purposes of the 14-day limit on finger pointing, when does the violation occur? On Fri, 20 Apr 2018, Aris Merchant wrote: > Your argument about the definition is complelling in light of the general > interpretive factors at play. On the merits I think I still disagree > (though that may

DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie CFJs and Finger pointing

2018-04-19 Thread Aris Merchant
Your argument about the definition is complelling in light of the general interpretive factors at play. On the merits I think I still disagree (though that may just be me being stubborn), but common sense and the interests of the game are clear. On the future conditional, I disagree. The condition

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie CFJs and Finger pointing

2018-04-19 Thread Aris Merchant
Counterargument (ignore this one, it probably doesn't work): when Quazie placed a bid, e essentially stated that "I will have sufficient money to pay at the end of the voting period. Really. I promise." This is part of the common language definition of what it means to bid. However, since bidding i

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie CFJs and Finger pointing

2018-04-19 Thread Kerim Aydin
Fair enough. Though we've used that before with no big crises. If someone feels like proposing a change, the alternative should be that crimes by zombies transfer punishment to their masters (which we've also done before). On Fri, 20 Apr 2018, Ned Strange wrote: > Exactly, nothing should autom

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie CFJs and Finger pointing

2018-04-19 Thread Ned Strange
Exactly, nothing should automatically prohibit illegal actions. On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 10:17 AM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > On Thu, 19 Apr 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: > >> At least that was the direct and specific intent when I wrote it - I >> intended >> illegal actions on behalf of zombies to fail b

DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie CFJs and Finger pointing

2018-04-19 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 19 Apr 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: At least that was the direct and specific intent when I wrote it - I intended illegal actions on behalf of zombies to fail because they weren't "allowed", therefore blocking the CAN in R2466. Intent doesn't always mean much, and I can see that the link to

DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie CFJs and Finger pointing

2018-04-19 Thread Corona
Indeed: 1} It is only ILLEGAL to *place* unpayable bids, not to hold them. 2) At the point in time when I (well, Quazie) was placing the bid, the conditional that determines the illegality was INEXTRICABLE. Only when the auction ended did the conditional became TRUE and the action *became* ILLEGAL