Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 6109-6115

2009-02-18 Thread comex
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Not exactly. Lindrum's proponents and opponents worked to ensure that > the "restart" converged the states. But you do point to something that > was a problem the whole time: the Wizards were also players, with a > huge amount of disproporti

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 6109-6115

2009-02-18 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 18 Feb 2009, Elliott Hird wrote: > 2009/2/18 Kerim Aydin : >> Standing precedent is that it split the game into two wholly internally >> consistent interpretations, one that it worked, one that it didn't work. >> Each state (internally) could declare itself valid. So, UNDECIDABLE, >> whic

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 6109-6115

2009-02-18 Thread Elliott Hird
2009/2/18 Kerim Aydin : > Standing precedent is that it split the game into two wholly internally > consistent interpretations, one that it worked, one that it didn't work. > Each state (internally) could declare itself valid. So, UNDECIDABLE, > which required a metagame reunification. > > Back wh

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 6109-6115

2009-02-18 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-02-18 at 10:17 -0800, Ed Murphy wrote: > ais523 wrote: > > > Well, one thing that worries me is that with democratisation possible > > while voting isn't, the Assessor gets quite a lot of power over whether > > ordinary proposals are adopted or not. (I am reminded of proposal 5707; >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 6109-6115

2009-02-18 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 18 Feb 2009, Elliott Hird wrote: > Standing precedent is that LW didn't work, right? I've never seen a copy > of the rules at the time so it'd be hard to tell... Standing precedent is that it split the game into two wholly internally consistent interpretations, one that it worked, one tha

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 6109-6115

2009-02-18 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote: > Well, one thing that worries me is that with democratisation possible > while voting isn't, the Assessor gets quite a lot of power over whether > ordinary proposals are adopted or not. (I am reminded of proposal 5707; > incidentally, it could have been defeated with 2 support at pr

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 6109-6115

2009-02-18 Thread Elliott Hird
2009/2/18 Kerim Aydin : > There was a Second Coming in 2001, when Lindrum, eir arch-enemy Evantine, > and myself in the middle, (re-?)registered within a week of each other, > and played for 8-9 months. Several other former Nomic Worlders were > still among us, then. > > It was known at the time a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 6109-6115

2009-02-18 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-02-18 at 08:07 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Wed, 18 Feb 2009, Alex Smith wrote: > > Well, one thing that worries me is that with democratisation possible > > while voting isn't, the Assessor gets quite a lot of power over whether > > ordinary proposals are adopted or not. (I am remin

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 6109-6115

2009-02-18 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 18 Feb 2009, Elliott Hird wrote: > 2009/2/18 Kerim Aydin : >> >> On Tue, 17 Feb 2009, Benjamin Caplan wrote: 6109 D 1 3.0 comex Right to vote >>> PRESENT. It's unclear how this would interact with the Penrose-Banzhaf >>> or Shapley-Shubik power indices. >> >> Heh. Actua

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 6109-6115

2009-02-18 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-02-18 at 07:45 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Wed, 18 Feb 2009, Alex Smith wrote: > >> 6115 O 1 1.0 Murphy Get on with it! > > AGAINSTx5, gives the Assessor /even more/ power over timing scams than e > > currently does. (I'm actually considering writing proposals to give >

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 6109-6115

2009-02-18 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 18 Feb 2009, Alex Smith wrote: >> 6115 O 1 1.0 Murphy Get on with it! > AGAINSTx5, gives the Assessor /even more/ power over timing scams than e > currently does. (I'm actually considering writing proposals to give > everyone a fair chance at Assessor-related timing scams, rat

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 6109-6115

2009-02-18 Thread Elliott Hird
2009/2/18 Kerim Aydin : > > On Tue, 17 Feb 2009, Benjamin Caplan wrote: >>> 6109 D 1 3.0 comex Right to vote >> PRESENT. It's unclear how this would interact with the Penrose-Banzhaf >> or Shapley-Shubik power indices. > > Heh. Actually calculated these for an Agoran voting distribut

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 6109-6115

2009-02-17 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 17 Feb 2009, Benjamin Caplan wrote: >> 6109 D 1 3.0 comex Right to vote > PRESENT. It's unclear how this would interact with the Penrose-Banzhaf > or Shapley-Shubik power indices. Heh. Actually calculated these for an Agoran voting distribution a few years ago, when trying

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 6109-6115

2009-02-17 Thread comex
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 8:53 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On Tue, 17 Feb 2009, The PerlNomic Partnership wrote: >> 6109 D 1 3.0 comex Right to vote > AGAINST. (1) Gives all partnerships votes. I actually made the proposal without thinking of that.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 6109-6115

2009-02-17 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: >> 6115 O 1 1.0 Murphy Get on with it! > 2xFOR (but why is ending the voting period power 1?) R107 (Power 3) prevents ending it less than seven days after it begins.