Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2203 judged TRUE by Wooble

2008-10-02 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 12:25, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu, 2 Oct 2008, ais523 wrote: >> On Thu, 2008-10-02 at 11:05 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: >>> This version: >>> http://www.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2008-September/013955.html >>> >>> has Section 1

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2203 judged TRUE by Wooble

2008-10-02 Thread Ian Kelly
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 12:37 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But the problem is section 13 doesn't specify "cast a single vote" > it specifies "voting" in general. Therefore a section 13 ticket > action of (endorse or Y) is in fact a subclass of a section 11 > specification to vote in

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2203 judged TRUE by Wooble

2008-10-02 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 2 Oct 2008, Geoffrey Spear wrote: > On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 2:05 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Did I miss an amendement? >> >> This version: >> http://www.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2008-September/013955.html >> >> has Section 11 votes so that a Se

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2203 judged TRUE by Wooble

2008-10-02 Thread ais523
On Thu, 2008-10-02 at 11:25 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Okay then, here's my question. A section 13 is still a (conditional) > offer to vote in a certain way on an agoran decision (Endorse or > otherwise). As such, don't section 13 tickets still fall under the > section 11's default requirement t

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2203 judged TRUE by Wooble

2008-10-02 Thread Ian Kelly
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 11:38 AM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu, 2 Oct 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: >> BobTHJ voted "SELL (5VP - AGAINST) x 5". This amounted to 5 votes of >> "SELL (5VP - AGAINST)", which resulted in 5 sets of conditional votes, >> each set resolving to (endorse fille

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2203 judged TRUE by Wooble

2008-10-02 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 2:05 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Did I miss an amendement? > > This version: > http://www.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2008-September/013955.html > > has Section 11 votes so that a Sell Ticket is a ticket to vote up to one's > voting

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2203 judged TRUE by Wooble

2008-10-02 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 2 Oct 2008, ais523 wrote: > On Thu, 2008-10-02 at 11:05 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> This version: >> http://www.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2008-September/013955.html >> >> has Section 11 votes so that a Sell Ticket is a ticket to vote up to one's >> voting power

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2203 judged TRUE by Wooble

2008-10-02 Thread ais523
On Thu, 2008-10-02 at 11:05 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > This version: > http://www.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2008-September/013955.html > > has Section 11 votes so that a Sell Ticket is a ticket to vote up to one's > voting power; under that section more than one ticke

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2203 judged TRUE by Wooble

2008-10-02 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 2 Oct 2008, Geoffrey Spear wrote: > On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Where are you finding this? The vote I find is: >> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> "SELL(5VP) x5" >> >> There's certainly no Against. Without the AGAINST (versus for example a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2203 judged TRUE by Wooble

2008-10-02 Thread ais523
On Thu, 2008-10-02 at 13:59 -0400, Geoffrey Spear wrote: > On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 12:55 PM, ais523 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > (Note, however, that it is not certain that the Assessor > > understood it correctly; Murphy recently admitted to treating unfilled > > tickets as no-vote rather than PR

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2203 judged TRUE by Wooble

2008-10-02 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 12:55 PM, ais523 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > (Note, however, that it is not certain that the Assessor > understood it correctly; Murphy recently admitted to treating unfilled > tickets as no-vote rather than PRESENT.) I don't believe there's any reason from a reading of the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2203 judged TRUE by Wooble

2008-10-02 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Where are you finding this? The vote I find is: > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > "SELL(5VP) x5" > > There's certainly no Against. Without the AGAINST (versus for example a > 5xAGAINST) missing it's unclear to me whether t

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2203 judged TRUE by Wooble

2008-10-02 Thread ais523
On Thu, 2008-10-02 at 10:38 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Thu, 2 Oct 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: > > BobTHJ voted "SELL (5VP - AGAINST) x 5". This amounted to 5 votes of > > "SELL (5VP - AGAINST)", which resulted in 5 sets of conditional votes, > > each set resolving to (endorse filler x 5 / AGAINST x

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2203 judged TRUE by Wooble

2008-10-02 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 2 Oct 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: > BobTHJ voted "SELL (5VP - AGAINST) x 5". This amounted to 5 votes of > "SELL (5VP - AGAINST)", which resulted in 5 sets of conditional votes, > each set resolving to (endorse filler x 5 / AGAINST x 1); and 5 > corresponding sell tickets. Where are you findi

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2203 judged TRUE by Wooble

2008-10-02 Thread Ian Kelly
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 11:09 AM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 1:05 PM, ais523 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Thu, 2008-10-02 at 11:02 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: >>> You know, it seems to me that your interpretation of it should more >>> plausibly be written "SELL (5VP -

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2203 judged TRUE by Wooble

2008-10-02 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 2 Oct 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: > On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 10:55 AM, ais523 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I intend, with 2 support, to appeal CFJ 2203. The judgement looked >> reasonable at the time, but various doubts have come up since which I >> think need looking at. Rule 754 is probably th

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2203 judged TRUE by Wooble

2008-10-02 Thread comex
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 1:05 PM, ais523 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 2008-10-02 at 11:02 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: >> You know, it seems to me that your interpretation of it should more >> plausibly be written "SELL (5VP - AGAINST x 3)". > Well, does that allow the buying of 1 vote or 3? That

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2203 judged TRUE by Wooble

2008-10-02 Thread Ian Kelly
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 10:55 AM, ais523 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I intend, with 2 support, to appeal CFJ 2203. The judgement looked > reasonable at the time, but various doubts have come up since which I > think need looking at. Rule 754 is probably the best argument as to what > is allowed, be

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2203 judged TRUE by Wooble

2008-10-02 Thread ais523
On Thu, 2008-10-02 at 11:02 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: > You know, it seems to me that your interpretation of it should more > plausibly be written "SELL (5VP - AGAINST x 3)". Well, does that allow the buying of 1 vote or 3? That isn't at all clear from that. A conditional vote that changes number acc

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2203 judged TRUE by Wooble

2008-10-02 Thread Ian Kelly
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 10:55 AM, ais523 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I agree with Wooble that SELL (5VP - AGAINST) probably works, due to it > being an abbreviation whose expansion is well-known and repeatedly > published. (Note, however, that it is not certain that the Assessor > understood it cor