Re: [Referee] Green Card for Nichdel (was Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Anti-Treasuror Omnipotence)

2017-09-20 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 20, 2017, at 4:32 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > > The rule is basically > 1: Give a card > 2: "if e believes that no rules violation occurred or that it would be > ILLEGAL to issue a Card for it, announcing the Finger Pointing to be > Shenanigans." > > You have to do 1 but 2 is optional. I poin

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Anti-Treasuror Omnipotence

2017-09-15 Thread Cuddle Beam
Oh well... On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 11:49 PM, Nic Evans wrote: > On 09/15/17 16:33, Cuddle Beam wrote: > > I believe it's a matter of difference between how we use language in > common use and it's literal interpretation. For that case, for example: > > X: "You can only do that if I say so.", whe

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Anti-Treasuror Omnipotence

2017-09-15 Thread Kerim Aydin
Right, but the actual effect of the rule clause is based on the common use, and not on the absurd-literal that even my first-grader knew was being "funny". On Fri, 15 Sep 2017, Cuddle Beam wrote: > I believe it's a matter of difference between how we use language in common > use and it's lite

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Anti-Treasuror Omnipotence

2017-09-15 Thread Cuddle Beam
I believe it's a matter of difference between how we use language in common use and it's literal interpretation. For that case, for example: X: "You can only do that if I say so.", where "so" means X would mean that the kid can do it, even if that wasn't the intent of the message. Quibbles, reall

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Anti-Treasuror Omnipotence

2017-09-15 Thread Kerim Aydin
A more direct example: I say: "You can only do that if I say so." My kid says: "You just said so!" That's the logic of a first grader, but it's not actually how conditionals work in common English. On Fri, 15 Sep 2017, Cuddle Beam wrote: > True but my argument was this: > We got > A: "CAN Y

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Anti-Treasuror Omnipotence

2017-09-15 Thread Cuddle Beam
True but my argument was this: We got A: "CAN Y if X is true" where X is: X: "CAN Y exists as text" (for. "doing so is specified by a rule", where "so" is "The Treasuror CAN cause Agora to pay any player or organization by announcement". " is specified by a rule" is pretty much "exists as text" be

DIS: Re: BUS: Anti-Treasuror Omnipotence

2017-09-15 Thread Kerim Aydin
The statement "CAN Y if X is true" doesn't make X true. On Fri, 15 Sep 2017, Cuddle Beam wrote: > I create the following proposal and pend it with AP: > > -+- > > Title: Anti-Treasuror Omnipotence > AI: 3 > Content: > > Amend "The Treasuror CAN cause Agora to pay any player or organi