Re: DIS: Protos on truth and identity

2008-07-14 Thread Taral
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 7:33 AM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> This feels clunky. What are we trying to accomplish here? Prevent >> people from claiming to take actions that they know they can't take? > > Yes. Give me one good reason why that should be allowed. I'm not arguing for it to

Re: DIS: Protos on truth and identity

2008-07-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 14 Jul 2008, Ben Caplan wrote: > On Monday 14 July 2008 11:02:04 am Kerim Aydin wrote: >> On Mon, 14 Jul 2008, Ben Caplan wrote: >>> On Sunday 13 July 2008 11:43:28 pm Ed Murphy wrote: A public claim intended to mislead others (whether directly or indirectly) regarding one'

Re: DIS: Protos on truth and identity

2008-07-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 14 Jul 2008, Sgeo wrote: > On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> As an Officer, I've been forced by one Rule's asap to attempt to perform >> actions that I knew for a fact (due to another rule) would fail. -goethe >> > Details for the curious pleas

Re: DIS: Protos on truth and identity

2008-07-14 Thread Ben Caplan
On Monday 14 July 2008 11:02:04 am Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Mon, 14 Jul 2008, Ben Caplan wrote: > > On Sunday 13 July 2008 11:43:28 pm Ed Murphy wrote: > >> A public claim intended to mislead others (whether directly > >> or indirectly) regarding one's identity constitutes a false > >> stateme

Re: DIS: Protos on truth and identity

2008-07-14 Thread Sgeo
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mon, 14 Jul 2008, Ed Murphy wrote: >> Taral wrote: >> >>> On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 9:43 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: c) A public statement that one performs an action is true if and

Re: DIS: Protos on truth and identity

2008-07-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 14 Jul 2008, Ed Murphy wrote: > Taral wrote: > >> On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 9:43 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>c) A public statement that one performs an action is true if >>> and only if one succeeds in performing that action by >>> making that publ

Re: DIS: Protos on truth and identity

2008-07-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 14 Jul 2008, Ben Caplan wrote: > On Sunday 13 July 2008 11:43:28 pm Ed Murphy wrote: >> A public claim intended to mislead others (whether directly or >> indirectly) regarding one's identity constitutes a false >> statement, and SHOULD be severely punished. > > A person S

Re: DIS: Protos on truth and identity

2008-07-14 Thread Ben Caplan
On Monday 14 July 2008 04:12:48 am Taral wrote: > On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 9:43 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >c) A public statement that one performs an action is true > > if and only if one succeeds in performing that action by making > > that public statement, but violates t

Re: DIS: Protos on truth and identity

2008-07-14 Thread Ed Murphy
Taral wrote: > On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 9:43 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>c) A public statement that one performs an action is true if >> and only if one succeeds in performing that action by >> making that public statement, but violates this rule only >>

Re: DIS: Protos on truth and identity

2008-07-14 Thread Ben Caplan
On Sunday 13 July 2008 11:43:28 pm Ed Murphy wrote: > A public claim intended to mislead others (whether directly or > indirectly) regarding one's identity constitutes a false > statement, and SHOULD be severely punished. A person SHALL NOT make a public claim intended to mislead

Re: DIS: Protos on truth and identity

2008-07-14 Thread Taral
On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 9:43 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >c) A public statement that one performs an action is true if > and only if one succeeds in performing that action by > making that public statement, but violates this rule only > if one beli

DIS: Protos on truth and identity

2008-07-13 Thread Ed Murphy
Proto-Proposal: But what is truth? (AI = 2, please) Zefram and Michael are co-authors of this proposal. Change the power of Rule 2149 (Truthfulness) to 2, and amend it to read: A person SHALL NOT make a public statement unless e reasonably believes it is true, or else provides a rea