Re: DIS: [proto-contract] Arbitration

2020-06-12 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Fri, 12 Jun 2020 at 16:48, nch wrote: > On 6/12/20 11:42 AM, James Cook wrote: > > On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 at 22:12, nch wrote: > >> On 6/11/20 2:28 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > >>> Actually, that could be a use for a limited asset. Call them Fingers, > >>> you pay one to point a f

Re: DIS: [proto-contract] Arbitration

2020-06-12 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On 6/12/20 11:42 AM, James Cook wrote: > On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 at 22:12, nch wrote: >> On 6/11/20 2:28 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: >>> Actually, that could be a use for a limited asset. Call them Fingers, >>> you pay one to point a finger, at most N Fingers exist at any given >>> time

Re: DIS: [proto-contract] Arbitration

2020-06-11 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On 6/11/20 2:28 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > Actually, that could be a use for a limited asset. Call them Fingers, > you pay one to point a finger, at most N Fingers exist at any given > time, and they're gradually replenished somehow when there are fewer > than N (auctions?). Not a

Re: DIS: [proto-contract] Arbitration

2020-06-11 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 2:18 PM ATMunn via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 6/11/2020 3:28 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > >>> What is the advantage of arbitration by contract over just having the > >>> Referee / CFJ system handle things? > >> > >> The R

Re: DIS: [proto-contract] Arbitration

2020-06-11 Thread ATMunn via agora-discussion
On 6/11/2020 3:28 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: What is the advantage of arbitration by contract over just having the Referee / CFJ system handle things? The Referee and judges didn't necessarily opt in to being involved in every possible contract dispute (and it allows more flexib

Re: DIS: [proto-contract] Arbitration

2020-06-11 Thread ATMunn via agora-discussion
On 6/11/2020 2:15 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: On 6/11/2020 10:55 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: When an Arbitration Case is unassigned, the Head Arbitrator CAN by announcement, and SHALL in a timely fashion, flip its Arbitrator to any other value. The Arbitrator SHAL

Re: DIS: [proto-contract] Arbitration

2020-06-11 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 3:29 PM James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > > > > What is the advantage of arbitration by contract over just having the > > > Referee / CFJ system handle things? > > > > The Referee and judges didn't necessarily opt in to being involved in > > every possible contract d

Re: DIS: [proto-contract] Arbitration

2020-06-11 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 1:56 PM James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > > > When an Arbitration Case is unassigned, the Head Arbitrator CAN by > > announcement, and SHALL in a timely fashion, flip its Arbitrator to any > > other value. The Arbitrator SHALL NOT assign an Arbitration Case to a > >

Re: DIS: [proto-contract] Arbitration

2020-06-11 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/11/2020 11:19 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > The Referee and judges didn't necessarily opt in to being involved in > every possible contract dispute (and it allows more flexibility than the > rules currently do). And, if we end up using contracts more, then it > allows spreadin

Re: DIS: [proto-contract] Arbitration

2020-06-11 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
> > What is the advantage of arbitration by contract over just having the > > Referee / CFJ system handle things? > > The Referee and judges didn't necessarily opt in to being involved in > every possible contract dispute (and it allows more flexibility than the > rules currently do). And, if we en

Re: DIS: [proto-contract] Arbitration

2020-06-11 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 at 18:16, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/11/2020 10:55 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > >> When an Arbitration Case is unassigned, the Head Arbitrator CAN by > >> announcement, and SHALL in a timely fashion, flip its Arbitrator to any > >> other valu

Re: DIS: [proto-contract] Arbitration

2020-06-11 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 6/11/20 1:55 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: >> When an Arbitration Case is unassigned, the Head Arbitrator CAN by >> announcement, and SHALL in a timely fashion, flip its Arbitrator to any >> other value. The Arbitrator SHALL NOT assign an Arbitration Case to a >> person who has a ma

Re: DIS: [proto-contract] Arbitration

2020-06-11 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/11/2020 10:55 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: >> When an Arbitration Case is unassigned, the Head Arbitrator CAN by >> announcement, and SHALL in a timely fashion, flip its Arbitrator to any >> other value. The Arbitrator SHALL NOT assign an Arbitration Case to a >> person who has

Re: DIS: [proto-contract] Arbitration

2020-06-11 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
> When an Arbitration Case is unassigned, the Head Arbitrator CAN by > announcement, and SHALL in a timely fashion, flip its Arbitrator to any > other value. The Arbitrator SHALL NOT assign an Arbitration Case to a > person who has a manifest interest in the case, whether monetary or > otherwise.

Re: DIS: [proto-contract] Arbitration

2020-06-10 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On 6/10/20 9:53 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 6/10/20 9:14 AM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: >> On 6/10/2020 2:54 AM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: >>> On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 8:37 PM Alex Smith via agora-discussion >>> wrote: Potentially radical idea (but only

Re: DIS: [proto-contract] Arbitration

2020-06-10 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On 6/10/20 9:14 AM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/10/2020 2:54 AM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: >> On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 8:37 PM Alex Smith via agora-discussion >> wrote: >>> Potentially radical idea (but only once we've got started with Cards, don't >>> want two major

Re: DIS: [proto-contract] Arbitration

2020-06-10 Thread ATMunn via agora-discussion
On 6/10/2020 2:54 AM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 8:37 PM Alex Smith via agora-discussion wrote: Potentially radical idea (but only once we've got started with Cards, don't want two major reforms at once!): replace all the contract/promise/pledgy things wi

Re: DIS: [proto-contract] Arbitration

2020-06-10 Thread Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion
I'm up for it. While I agree that in a stricter sense it would be better for it all to be in the Ruleset, this just seems a lot more fun. It's not much but once you're ready I'll add my humble agoran occult shop to it. I'd maybe put up some regular shop rules (and they're extreme fringe/scam case

Re: DIS: [proto-contract] Arbitration

2020-06-09 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 8:37 PM Alex Smith via agora-discussion wrote: > Potentially radical idea (but only once we've got started with Cards, don't > want two major reforms at once!): replace all the contract/promise/pledgy > things with a contract-like thing which allows acting on behalf but do

Re: DIS: [proto-contract] Arbitration

2020-06-09 Thread Alex Smith via agora-discussion
On Wednesday, 10 June 2020, 02:04:58 GMT+1, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > What follows is a proto-contract to provide independent dispute > resolution for alleged contract violations. Like arbitration often is in > the real world, this can be unfair and biased, and it lacks an appeals

Re: DIS: [proto-contract] Arbitration

2020-06-09 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 6/9/20 9:35 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: > Fixed. Clearly I need to improve my vim schools, as this is just > embarrassing at this point :). > > *skills* /me is disappointed in my self -- Jason Cobb

Re: DIS: [proto-contract] Arbitration

2020-06-09 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 6/9/20 9:18 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion wrote: > On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 9:04 PM Jason Cobb via agora-discussion > wrote: >> What follows is a proto-contract to provide independent dispute >> resolution for alleged contract violations. Like arbitration often is in >>

Re: DIS: [proto-contract] Arbitration

2020-06-09 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 9:04 PM Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > > What follows is a proto-contract to provide independent dispute > resolution for alleged contract violations. Like arbitration often is in > the real world, this can be unfair and biased, and it lacks an appeals > mechanism.

DIS: [proto-contract] Arbitration

2020-06-09 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
What follows is a proto-contract to provide independent dispute resolution for alleged contract violations. Like arbitration often is in the real world, this can be unfair and biased, and it lacks an appeals mechanism. On the bright side, this allows specifying penalties other than the Class-2 crim