Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I Intend Happy Holidays for All!

2008-12-23 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: > I personally didn't believe it possible without legislation, but then > I found Zefram's judgement in CFJ 1719 to be extraordinarily thorough To save a lookup, this was the CFJ that found that Peekee's "anyone can send e-mail on my behalf via an unprotected web form" worked. > an

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I Intend Happy Holidays for All!

2008-12-23 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: > [Murphy, I told you we should have specifically disabled dependent actions > altogether for the duration... :) Though I guess you didn't disagree... > looks like a fun two weeks to wait for the CFJs] Is there any remaining ambiguity that would warrant violating the prohibition

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I Intend Happy Holidays for All!

2008-12-23 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008, Geoffrey Spear wrote: > On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 7:37 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> Didn't we figure this particular one out back in that first CFJ >> on whether this was possible? -G. > > CFJs can be decided wrongly. It's not in the best interests of the > game for players to a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I Intend Happy Holidays for All!

2008-12-23 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 7:37 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Didn't we figure this particular one out back in that first CFJ > on whether this was possible? -G. CFJs can be decided wrongly. It's not in the best interests of the game for players to act on behalf of others using a mechanism that recordk

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I Intend Happy Holidays for All!

2008-12-23 Thread comex
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 7:54 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: > If some Rule requires that an action be done prior to a given > time, and that given time falls during a Holiday, or within the > 72-hour period immediately following that Holiday, then that > action need not be done until 72

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I Intend Happy Holidays for All!

2008-12-23 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: > My suggestion: holidays: The time between Dec 24 and Jan 2 Just Does > Not Exist. Anything happening during that time is deemed to happen > on Jan 3 (though in the order it was sent over the holidays), and > for duration-based-spells, er, rules, that time is just subtracted out

DIS: Re: BUS: I Intend Happy Holidays for All!

2008-12-23 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008, comex wrote: > I claim that this works because (a) preemptive objections don't work, > and (b) I am not allowed to make arbitrary rule changes by > announcement, merely to cause Rule 9843 to do so, so any restrictions > imposed by Rule 9842 do not apply. But did the ratificat

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I Intend Happy Holidays for All!

2008-12-23 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 24 Dec 2008, Elliott Hird wrote: > On 24 Dec 2008, at 00:00, Kerim Aydin wrote: > >> 2. Having received no Objections, I ratify the following report with a >> scope of the SLR: > > I see "win and fix" is a long-forgotten mantra. I should explain that. holiday timing is an annual screwup

DIS: Re: BUS: I Intend Happy Holidays for All!

2008-12-23 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008, Geoffrey Spear wrote: > I preemptively object to all dependent actions attempted between now > and Dec. 31, 2012. > > I CFJ on the following: > {{ > It is possible for a private contract to create an ability of one > party to act on behalf of another party. > }} Didn't we fig

DIS: Re: BUS: I Intend Happy Holidays for All!

2008-12-23 Thread Elliott Hird
On 24 Dec 2008, at 00:00, Kerim Aydin wrote: 2. Having received no Objections, I ratify the following report with a scope of the SLR: I see "win and fix" is a long-forgotten mantra.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: BF joust begins!

2008-12-23 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > holiday, you can do it during the holiday or after. For example, if > you're assigned a CFJ the day before a holiday, you are given > permission to judge with a time limit several days past the holiday. > But you can still judge during the hol

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: BF joust begins!

2008-12-23 Thread Elliott Hird
On 23 Dec 2008, at 22:39, Ed Murphy wrote: Of /course/ I object! So? I'm just trying to get a paradox. :P

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: BF joust begins!

2008-12-23 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008, Kerim Aydin wrote: > But 4 days isn't actually a time limit for objecting! You can object > any time after that, too. The objection is moot when the action has > been performed, of course, but it (for example) is valid if it's made > on day 5,6,7,8 etc. Sorry, forgot to add

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: BF joust begins!

2008-12-23 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008, Ed Murphy wrote: > I think R1728(b) reasonably fits R1769's "time limit to perform an > action". (Wooble is right, though, objections don't have a separate > time limit.) But 4 days isn't actually a time limit for objecting! You can object any time after that, too. The obj

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: BF joust begins!

2008-12-23 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: > On Tue, 23 Dec 2008, Ed Murphy wrote: >>> On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: I agree to the following public contract. I announce my intent to make it a Contest w/o three objections and with myself as contestmaster (oh crud this will hit the holida

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: BF joust begins!

2008-12-23 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008, Ed Murphy wrote: >> On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >>> I agree to the following public contract. I announce my intent >>> to make it a Contest w/o three objections and with myself as >>> contestmaster (oh crud this will hit the holiday, no contestifying?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: BF joust begins!

2008-12-23 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: > Disagree; the time limits for objections and resolution are both > extended to January 8, making it effectively impossible. This can > be fixed by re-submitting intent on or after December 25. R1728 doesn't set time limits for the action of obj

DIS: Re: BUS: BF joust begins!

2008-12-23 Thread Ed Murphy
Wooble wrote: > On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> I agree to the following public contract. I announce my intent >> to make it a Contest w/o three objections and with myself as >> contestmaster (oh crud this will hit the holiday, no contestifying?) > > As I read the Holiday

DIS: Re: BUS: Having screwed myself out of a win

2008-12-23 Thread taralx
I object to all of these. On 12/22/08, Ed Murphy wrote: > Let's see which of these go through: > > I intend, without 3 objections, to add the Y axis to Enigma. > I intend, without 3 objections, to add the Y axis to the FRContest. > I intend, without 3 objections, to add the Y axis to the PRS. > I

DIS: Re: BUS: Having screwed myself out of a win

2008-12-23 Thread Roger Hicks
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 10:17, Geoffrey Spear wrote: > On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 11:41 AM, Roger Hicks wrote: >> I intend, without 3 objections, to amend the AAA as follows: >> { >> In section 6a, replace "2" with "4i" >> [[Ordinary Proposals now score Y axis points]] >> } > > I object; you can't a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2306 assigned to comex

2008-12-23 Thread comex
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 9:11 AM, Geoffrey Spear wrote: > BTW, Any opinions on whether the PNP should attempt to distribute > proposals manually before the Holiday starts? I think a distribution > can't happen except by a passed proposal until Jan. 5th, but we could > possibly distribute in the ne

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2309 assigned to Wooble

2008-12-23 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 10:26 AM, Elliott Hird wrote: > > On 23 Dec 2008, at 15:20, Geoffrey Spear wrote: > >> the compound action >> of creating pledge-defined VP and then transforming them back to an >> asset by terminating the pledge CANNOT modify any information for >> which BobTHJ is required

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2309 assigned to Wooble

2008-12-23 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 7:36 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: > Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2309 > > == CFJ 2309 == > >ehird is a party to the Vote Market R2166 reads, in part: An asset is an entity defined as s

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2306 assigned to comex

2008-12-23 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 9:28 PM, comex wrote: > Oracu-proposal (AI=1.5): Amend Rule 649 by replacing the first two > sentences of the third paragraph of Rule 649 with: > While a Patent Title has been awarded to (and not revoked from) > an entity, that entity is said to Bear that Patent T

DIS: Re: BUS: Brian's DiploNomic Report

2008-12-23 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 10:45 PM, Warrigal wrote: >> Any Player can send a public message to Agora with support and without >> 2 objections in 4 to 14 days.} If that works to create a power of attorney, Agora's more broken than I thought.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Brian's DiploNomic Report

2008-12-23 Thread Warrigal
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 4:17 AM, Ed Murphy wrote: > Warrigal wrote: > >> You're right. With support and without 2 objections in 4 to 14 days, I >> intend to send the following public message to Agora on behalf of >> DiploNomic: "With Agoran Consent, DiploNomic intends to register." > > NttPF. Doe

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Brian's DiploNomic Report

2008-12-23 Thread Ed Murphy
Warrigal wrote: > You're right. With support and without 2 objections in 4 to 14 days, I > intend to send the following public message to Agora on behalf of > DiploNomic: "With Agoran Consent, DiploNomic intends to register." NttPF.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Brian's DiploNomic Report

2008-12-23 Thread Elliott Hird
On 23 Dec 2008, at 05:22, Taral wrote: On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 8:40 PM, comex wrote: I intend, with Agoran Consent, to unconditionally surrender to DiploNomic. I support. I obect.

DIS: Re: BUS: Brian's DiploNomic Report

2008-12-23 Thread Elliott Hird
On 23 Dec 2008, at 03:45, Warrigal wrote: The following proposal passed, with Warrigal voting FOR it and nobody voting AGAINST it: Please do not bother these mailing lists with your own nomic's reports...