DIS: Notary events so far (November is largely incomplete)

2008-12-02 Thread Ed Murphy
Fri 3 Oct 16:01:14 Pledge #52 terminated by ais523 Fri 3 Oct 16:01:14 I'm Just FINE terminated by ais523 Fri 3 Oct 16:01:14 Happiness in Slavery terminated by ais523 Fri 3 Oct 16:12:06 Pledge #53 is noted as having self-terminated Fri 3 Oct 16:32:38 Pledge #19 terminated by root Sat 4 Oc

DIS: Contract events, first half of October

2008-12-02 Thread Ed Murphy
Fri 3 Oct 16:01:14 Pledge #52 terminated by ais523 Fri 3 Oct 16:01:14 I'm Just FINE terminated by ais523 Fri 3 Oct 16:01:14 Happiness in Slavery terminated by ais523 Fri 3 Oct 16:12:06 Pledge #53 is noted as having self-terminated Fri 3 Oct 16:32:38 Pledge #19 terminated by root Sat 4 Oc

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Caste cycling

2008-12-02 Thread Taral
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 4:35 PM, Sgeo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Or just fake the email.. They bear digital signatures. -- Taral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Please let me know if there's any further trouble I can give you." -- Unknown

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Pledge: Send-only address access

2008-12-02 Thread Taral
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Sgeo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hm. Could also be useful for TNP2, since it's been receiving a lot of > Agora stuff that no sane person would read from Normish.. Addresses that can receive but don't want to can simply adjust their mailing list settings: http://ww

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Caste cycling

2008-12-02 Thread Sgeo
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 7:14 PM, Taral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 2:57 PM, Benjamin Schultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> FWIW, I save the dice-roll emails in case I need to supply them as evidence. > > As a note: That doesn't quite work. You could easily request die rolls >

DIS: Re: BUS: Pledge: Send-only address access

2008-12-02 Thread Sgeo
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 7:20 PM, Taral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I pledge the following: > > {Players may add or remove an email address as a "send-only address" > to a specific Public Forum Without Objection. The Distributor SHALL > take what actions are necessary to permit (or prevent, as appro

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Caste cycling

2008-12-02 Thread Taral
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 2:57 PM, Benjamin Schultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > FWIW, I save the dice-roll emails in case I need to supply them as evidence. As a note: That doesn't quite work. You could easily request die rolls from the server until you get the answer you want. -- Taral <[EMAIL PR

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: What the hell

2008-12-02 Thread Ed Murphy
ehird wrote: > On 2 Dec 2008, at 22:36, Ed Murphy wrote: > >> What would you suggest? Text is text, after all. > > Eh, just a nicer, cleaner, faster interface. Are you complaining about wikidot, or about the old site? (I've loaded about half the contracts from the early-October report, so you

Re: DIS: Proto: Trademarks

2008-12-02 Thread Warrigal
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 6:34 PM, Sgeo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> One disclaimer can allow the rest of the message to say whatever it >> wants. Perhaps the rule can be worded such that the only illegal uses >> of a trademark are things that can be considered falsehoods. > > Knowingly posting false

Re: DIS: Proto: Trademarks

2008-12-02 Thread comex
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 8:19 AM, Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > this proposed rule would need to be at Power 3 > as it directly forbids the sort of regularity of communication that's > essential for the healthy function of the nomic. Did you just say that a relative clause claiming tha

Re: DIS: AAA draft changing of ranches

2008-12-02 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 17:06, Benjamin Schultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Try # 3. Changes are to make the ONCE apply to the rule number, and to use > X as a wild-card seed: > > Within one week after an existing rule is mutated (its power is changed), a > Farmer CAN once Harvest the ID number of

Re: DIS: Proto: Trademarks

2008-12-02 Thread Sgeo
> One disclaimer can allow the rest of the message to say whatever it > wants. Perhaps the rule can be worded such that the only illegal uses > of a trademark are things that can be considered falsehoods. Knowingly posting falsehoods TTPF with the intent to deceive is illegal.

DIS: Re: BUS: Music & Props

2008-12-02 Thread Warrigal
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 9:02 AM, Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I spend Ab B Eb to decrease Warrigal's caste to Savage. > > I transfer a prop from Warrigal to 0x44 for putting em at the end of > the List in eir pledge. Well, someone had to go there. --Warrigal the Democratic Voter

Re: DIS: Proto: Trademarks

2008-12-02 Thread Warrigal
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 8:19 AM, Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm not sure I see a point to any trademarking at all. In the real > world, exclusivity rights to trademarks exist to prevent businesses > from confusing consumers by marketing goods and services that appear > to be market

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: What the hell

2008-12-02 Thread Elliott Hird
On 2 Dec 2008, at 22:36, Ed Murphy wrote: What would you suggest? Text is text, after all. Eh, just a nicer, cleaner, faster interface.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: What the hell

2008-12-02 Thread Ed Murphy
ehird wrote: > On 2 Dec 2008, at 21:46, Ed Murphy wrote: > >> I nominate myself for Notary. > > That wiki idea was suggested in comex only minutes ago. I suggested it weeks ago. > If I may, though, offer a wiki that isn't awful to use and read? > (Note: subjectivity in the previous sentence

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: What the hell

2008-12-02 Thread Elliott Hird
On 2 Dec 2008, at 22:03, Elliott Hird wrote: That wiki idea was suggested in comex only minutes ago. Err, in ##nomic by comex.

DIS: Re: BUS: What the hell

2008-12-02 Thread comex
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 4:46 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I nominate myself for Notary. > > I've just created http://agora-notary.wikidot.com/ and am about to > initialize it with the contract texts from October 3: > > http://www.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-official/20

DIS: Re: BUS: What the hell

2008-12-02 Thread Elliott Hird
On 2 Dec 2008, at 21:46, Ed Murphy wrote: I nominate myself for Notary. That wiki idea was suggested in comex only minutes ago. If I may, though, offer a wiki that isn't awful to use and read? (Note: subjectivity in the previous sentence is rampant.)

Re: DIS: Notary discussion

2008-12-02 Thread comex
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Alex Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In theory, it's impossible to not inform the Notary for a public > contract, as changes have to be published. On the other hand, repeatedly > publishing diffs, rather than the whole contract can lead to all sorts > of trouble.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Caste cycling

2008-12-02 Thread comex
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Sgeo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I agree to the following pledge > { > If Sgeo is allowed to make a prop transfer, OscarMeyr can and may > cause Sgeo to transfer a prop from Sgeo to OscarMeyr for any reason. > If this happens, this pledge is terminated. > } No mech

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5991-6003

2008-12-02 Thread Ed Murphy
Wooble wrote: > On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 4:16 PM, Sgeo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I fill my own sell ticket on 5997, specifying FOR. >> I fill my own sell ticket on 5998, specifying FOR. > > Does this even work? A vote of SELL is, by contract, a vote > conditionally endorsing the filler of the

DIS: Re: BUS: Caste cycling

2008-12-02 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: > I transfer one prop from OscarMeyr to Bayes: it's OscarMeyr's job, not > yours, to know the Rules concerning eir duties. Fails, ownership of props is limited to first-class players.

Re: DIS: Notary discussion

2008-12-02 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2008-12-02 at 12:30 -0500, comex wrote: > We really need a Notary. I'm tired of having to search through old > reports-- Agora's stint with a web-accessible Notary site was highly > productive. > > I could take on the office but I'd rather not. Alternatively, I'm > contemplating initiati

DIS: Re: BUS: Caste cycling

2008-12-02 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2008-12-02 at 12:37 -0500, Sgeo wrote: > On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 11:13 AM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Alex Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Mon, 2008-12-01 at 18:41 -0500, Benjamin Schultz wrote: > >>> Demoted to Delta: Bayes (twice!) (2

Re: DIS: Notary discussion

2008-12-02 Thread Elliott Hird
On 2 Dec 2008, at 17:30, comex wrote: We really need a Notary. I'm tired of having to search through old reports-- Agora's stint with a web-accessible Notary site was highly productive. I will provide it to the next Notary. I could take on the office but I'd rather not. I nominate comex f

DIS: Re: BUS: Caste cycling

2008-12-02 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 12:37 PM, Sgeo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I transfer one prop from Bayes to ais523: Why should Bayes get a prop > when it's ais523 correcting OscarMeyr, who doesn't know the rules? HE DOES KNOW THE RULES. I'd transfer a prop from Sgeo to OscarMeyr, but I already transferr

DIS: Notary discussion

2008-12-02 Thread comex
We really need a Notary. I'm tired of having to search through old reports-- Agora's stint with a web-accessible Notary site was highly productive. I could take on the office but I'd rather not. Alternatively, I'm contemplating initiating a set of criminal cases against the parties to some contr

DIS: Re: BUS: Caste cycling

2008-12-02 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Alex Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 2008-12-01 at 18:41 -0500, Benjamin Schultz wrote: >> Demoted to Delta: Bayes (twice!) (2nd class, weakest exemption, forced) > CoE: According to rule 2211, you SHALL NOT demote the same person twice; > the 4th par

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Caste cycling

2008-12-02 Thread comex
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Alex Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 2008-12-01 at 20:18 -0500, comex wrote: >> I'd say that I've gotten more conservative... voting against new rules >> without a good purpose and for repealing them (for example, Win by >> Junta now encompasses the role

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Caste cycling

2008-12-02 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2008-12-01 at 20:18 -0500, comex wrote: > I'd say that I've gotten more conservative... voting against new rules > without a good purpose and for repealing them (for example, Win by > Junta now encompasses the role of Win by Proposal, although I don't > think the latter has ever been used

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Caste cycling

2008-12-02 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 10:02 AM, Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "I deprive some people of a chance under a system. I then claim this is > an example of why you should vote for another system." Players at the end of the List realistically have no chance whatsoever of the Poobah ever prom

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Caste cycling

2008-12-02 Thread Elliott Hird
On 2 Dec 2008, at 14:51, Geoffrey Spear wrote: I object. I encourage harblcat, Siege, and Charles to vote for OscarMeyr, who not only won't automatically prefer to demote them, but will give them a chance of every being promoted, which is impossible under Warrigal's proposed system. "I depri

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Caste cycling

2008-12-02 Thread Elliott Hird
On 2 Dec 2008, at 12:12, Warrigal wrote: Without objection, I intend to amend my Grand Poobah pledge by replacing "promoting players higher in The List" with "promoting players higher in The List to those lower in The List, and those to players not in The List" and "demoting players lower in The

Re: DIS: Proto: Trademarks

2008-12-02 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 7:24 AM, Warrigal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Filing fee" to discourage pointless trademarking I'm not sure I see a point to any trademarking at all. In the real world, exclusivity rights to trademarks exist to prevent businesses from confusing consumers by marketing good

Re: DIS: Proto: Trademarks

2008-12-02 Thread Warrigal
Suggested changes by woggle: Trademarks belong to contracts Trademarks must be filed without 3 objections (or with 2 support) What a trademark can be used in reference to must be explicitly stated Limit on number of trademarks in a time period "Filing fee" to discourage pointless trademarking On

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5991-6003

2008-12-02 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 4:16 PM, Sgeo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I fill my own sell ticket on 5997, specifying FOR. > I fill my own sell ticket on 5998, specifying FOR. Does this even work? A vote of SELL is, by contract, a vote conditionally endorsing the filler of the ticket, not a vote condi

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Contract precedence

2008-12-02 Thread Charles Reiss
On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 13:40, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I withdraw the previous version of this proposal titled "Fix asset > redefinition", and submit the following revised version. > > Proposal: Contract precedence > (AI = 2, please) > > woggle is a co-author of this proposal. > > Cr