[AFMUG] PtP 450 900mhz co-location with FSK or 450i PMP?

2020-05-30 Thread Brandon Yuchasz
Anyone running a PtP 450 900mhz backhaul on the same tower as 450i or FSK 900mhz equipment? Since the PTP unit does not have GPS I am wondering if there are issues? Thanks, Brandon -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

2020-05-30 Thread chuck
Just a reminder in case you forgot. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

2020-05-30 Thread Bill Prince
1522 EDT (AKA 3:22 PM) 1422 CDT (AKA 2:22 PM) 1322 MDT (AKA 1:22 PM) 1222 PDT (AKA 12:22 PM) If you're not on daylight saving time, you know what to do. bp On 5/30/2020 11:18 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

2020-05-30 Thread Ken Hohhof
Guy on radio was saying SpaceX crew capsule has to be launched at a specific time to rendezvous with the ISS, sounds like shooting a bullet. Same guy said Boeing design will have a wider launch window because it is more maneuverable. Looking at photos they don't seem that different. Does this so

Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

2020-05-30 Thread Bill Prince
It's not quite like shooting a bullet. There is a window that they can maneuver within. It may have to do with the amount of propellant carried in the "garage" attached to the back of the crew dragon. There also has to be enough left in that to de-orbit.

Re: [AFMUG] Motorola Nitro CBRS

2020-05-30 Thread Peter Kranz via AF
If this was widely deployed, it would impact PMP450 CBRS users, since you would be competing for the same GAA channels (or they could buy PAL’s I guess). So in my area, I have the following concerns with CBRS now: 1. Ship based radar 2. Cellular LTE users 3. CBRS based radio sy

Re: [AFMUG] PtP 450 900mhz co-location with FSK or 450i PMP?

2020-05-30 Thread Mathew Howard
If I remember correctly, the ptp450 does support sync over power, but I think it's somewhat complicated to make ptp and pmp sync with each other. I imagine you would have problems with two of anything 900mhz on the same tower if they aren't synced. On Sat, May 30, 2020, 11:39 AM Brandon Yuchasz w

Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

2020-05-30 Thread chuck
I found it astounding to learn that during the first NASA manned docking test, the guys would give it some throttle and get farther away from the target. Nobody had thought it through. More throttle == faster == higher orbit == slower orbital period. So you have to slow down to catch up if

Re: [AFMUG] Motorola Nitro CBRS

2020-05-30 Thread Ken Hohhof
Will be interesting to see what the mobile companies do, especially in the more rural areas. There have been reports of T-Mobile having great success with 5G and all the Sprint 2.5 GHz spectrum. Does this mean T-Mobile doesn’t even need to bother with CBRS because they have plenty of easier-to

Re: [AFMUG] Motorola Nitro CBRS

2020-05-30 Thread Lewis Bergman
It won't be widely deployed. it is being used as a wireless network to push their TLK100 or whatever. It is envisioned for campuses, Manufacturing plants, etc. Very expensive, duplicate coverage over already deployed WiFi. I havetalked it up to a few fortune 500's and none of them wanted to spend t

Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

2020-05-30 Thread Matt Hoppes
So basically the way an airplane operates? > On May 30, 2020, at 3:10 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > >  > I found it astounding to learn that during the first NASA manned docking > test, the guys would give it some throttle and get farther away from the > target. Nobody had thought it through.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

2020-05-30 Thread chuck
Yes on the up and down. But if you want to catch up to another airplane you do give it more throttle. From: Matt Hoppes Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 1:39 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try So basically the way an airp

Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

2020-05-30 Thread chuck
So, my TSLA stock should be safe now... From: Bill Prince Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 12:53 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try It's not quite like shooting a bullet. There is a window that they can maneuver within. It may have to do wit

Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

2020-05-30 Thread Matt Hoppes
Right. But in an airplane throttle also makes you go up. In fact: Up/down is basically controlled by throttle While Speed is controlled by elevators. Slow down? Pull up Speed up? Push down Go up? Throttle up Go down? Throttle down > On May 30, 2020, at 3:43 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: >

Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

2020-05-30 Thread Ken Hohhof
Well, SpaceX has that Mars rocket program or whatever it is, that blew up again yesterday. I saw a video clip where the narrator said something like "that wasn't nominal". I'm imagining the famous film of the Hindenburg disaster where the radio announcer says "that wasn't nominal" instead of "oh

Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

2020-05-30 Thread Bill Prince
Starship MO seems to be build fast, fail fast, fix fast, test fast. Rinse. Repeat. bp On 5/30/2020 12:57 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Well, SpaceX has that Mars rocket program or whatever it is, that

Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

2020-05-30 Thread Chuck McCown
You learn some of the most valuable lessons from failures. They sn4 blew up. Sn5&6 are already built and ready to incorporate the changes that come out of this failure. Much quicker way to develop rockets. Make lots of them, blow up lots of them, Sent from my iPhone > On May 30, 2020, at 1

Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

2020-05-30 Thread Bill Prince
I imagine they instrument the *)&%%$ out of it and have 10 (or so) super-slow-mo cameras going at once to figure out what went wrong. bp On 5/30/2020 1:33 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: You learn some of the most valuable lessons fro

Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

2020-05-30 Thread Matt Hoppes
As long as they do that before people are on top. > On May 30, 2020, at 4:49 PM, Bill Prince wrote: > >  > I imagine they instrument the *)&%%$ out of it and have 10 (or so) > super-slow-mo cameras going at once to figure out what went wrong. > > > > bp > > > On 5/30/2020 1:33 PM, Chuck

Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

2020-05-30 Thread Bill Prince
Try out their docking simulator. https://iss-sim.spacex.com/ bp On 5/30/2020 12:42 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Yes on the up and down.  But if you want to catch up to another airplane you do give it more throttle.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

2020-05-30 Thread Robert Andrews
All pioneered in the mind of Buzz Aldrin.. On 05/30/2020 12:09 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I found it astounding to learn that during the first NASA manned docking test, the guys would give it some throttle and get farther away from the target. Nobody had thought it through. More throttle == f

Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

2020-05-30 Thread Robert Andrews
The word from the better observers was that this wasn't a failure of the rocket but of the piping system for loading/unloading the methane to the rocket. On 05/30/2020 01:33 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: You learn some of the most valuable lessons from failures. They sn4 blew up. Sn5&6 are already

Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

2020-05-30 Thread Robert Andrews
I could imagine if there was someone that was just a natural at it they would get an email... On 05/30/2020 02:31 PM, Bill Prince wrote: Try out their docking simulator. https://iss-sim.spacex.com/ bp On 5/30/2020 12:42 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Yes on the up and down. But if you want

Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

2020-05-30 Thread Ken Hohhof
Exactly. We are so used to software products where you can fail fast and learn without killing people. I remember my college roommate went to work for a big X-ray equipment company like GE or Siemens. They had a firmware bug where a therapeutic (as opposed to diagnostic) X-ray system deli

Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

2020-05-30 Thread chuck
GE Therac. That is used as an example in many programming classes. It is legendary. Or at least it was when I was in college. I happened when I was an undergrad. As I recall, it was a race condition. The operators got so good that they were entering key stroke sequences faster than the m

Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

2020-05-30 Thread Ryan Ray
I successfully docked on the first time without reading any of the instructions. Send me to space. On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 2:32 PM Bill Prince wrote: > Try out their docking simulator. > > https://iss-sim.spacex.com/ > > bp > > > > On 5/30/2020 12:42 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > > Yes on the up

Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

2020-05-30 Thread Ken Hohhof
Interesting read. Apparently it was a bigger and more complicated screwup than I remembered. BTW, I don’t think my roommate was involved in developing that product, more like a legendary example, as you described. 737 Max fiasco seems to belong in somewhat the same category. Design reuse,

Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

2020-05-30 Thread Ken Hohhof
I thought docking was fully automated, the humans are essentially cargo. From: AF On Behalf Of Ryan Ray Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 5:18 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try I successfully docked on the first time wi

Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

2020-05-30 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 5/30/20 2:37 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: All pioneered in the mind of Buzz Aldrin.. AKA Dr. Rendezvous -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

2020-05-30 Thread Bill Prince
Ala The Last Starfighter. bp On 5/30/2020 2:42 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: I could imagine if there was someone that was just a natural at it they would get an email... On 05/30/2020 02:31 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

2020-05-30 Thread Bill Prince
They call it a Hohmann Transfer. They get into an orbit just below the ISS and orbit until they get out in front of the ISS. Then they turn around and let the ISS catch up to them. Watch this video from about the 5:10 point. bp On 5/30/2020 12:09 P