Re: [AFMUG] OT Swimming Pools

Something is wrong with that equation. Our pool wasn't that big, but I don't believe we spent a $1000 per year. We sold that house ~~ 25 years ago, but it wasn't a huge amount of maintenance either. This was a fiberglass, kidney-shaped pool. I would spend maybe 10

Re: [AFMUG] OT Swimming Pools

Neighbor’s house finally sold. In ground heated saltwater pool, according to the MLS listing. I don’t know about lower maintenance. It seemed like they had the pool service truck there on a weekly basis. Plus 2 days in fall to prep it for winter. https://www.coldwellbankerhomes.com/il/gl

Re: [AFMUG] OT Swimming Pools

My sister in a former house had a large outdoor pool (20x40x8), Central Ohio. I think she said they spent over $1000/month on chemicals during the summer. When I'd go visit over the summer for a couple weeks, I spent several hours a week cleaning it. And it takes a long time to top off the w

[AFMUG] In Utah, 24 Hours = 20 Hours

https://abc7chicago.com/society/utah-man-gets-locked-inside-24-hour-fitness/5848277/ -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] The Future

On average, 4 years after getting into the business.. On 1/20/20 3:37 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: Until they decided it’s not worth it to them. And shut down the iot division. On Jan 20, 2020, at 6:18 PM, Mathew Howard > wrote: It seems likely to me. Google already ha

Re: [AFMUG] OT Swimming Pools

A customer of mine had a retracting glass roof over the pool area, that was pretty nice. The salt water pools are lower maintenance and healthier from what my friends that have them have told me. On Monday, January 20, 2020, wrote: > I have a friend that put it inside. > Another friend did a sal

Re: [AFMUG] OT Swimming Pools

I have a friend that put it inside. Another friend did a salt water pool due to supposedly low maintenance. Not sure about that technology. H. I have an elevation and a patio area that is conducive to being an outdoor extension of a pool deck. From: Lewis Bergman Sent: Monday, Jan

Re: [AFMUG] OT Swimming Pools

Perhaps. That is a worry. From: Sean Heskett Sent: Monday, January 20, 2020 6:10 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Swimming Pools Will the grandkids use it? On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 6:07 PM wrote: Considering adding a pool to my home. Worth it? De

Re: [AFMUG] OT Swimming Pools

Definitely. Put it inside On Mon, Jan 20, 2020, 6:22 PM Bill Prince wrote: > Put a roof on it and keep your home theater and gym in there. > > When we had one, it was used more for friends and family than we did for > ourselves. We don't have one here, and I'm fine with that. > > > bp > > > > O

Re: [AFMUG] OT Swimming Pools

Put a roof on it and keep your home theater and gym in there. When we had one, it was used more for friends and family than we did for ourselves. We don't have one here, and I'm fine with that. bp On 1/20/2020 5:07 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] OT Swimming Pools

Will the grandkids use it? On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 6:07 PM wrote: > Considering adding a pool to my home. > Worth it? > > Desert Utah. > Lots of blowing dust year around. > > Only 3-4 months of weather suitable for use. > Would I use it much? > I don’t use my home theater much. > I don’t use m

[AFMUG] OT Swimming Pools

Considering adding a pool to my home. Worth it? Desert Utah. Lots of blowing dust year around. Only 3-4 months of weather suitable for use. Would I use it much? I don’t use my home theater much. I don’t use my home gym much. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mai

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi analyzer apps for iOS

You can use it on your phone and it’s not horrendous but I had an old iPad that I repurposed for the guys to use with the wipry. It’s much easier on a bigger screen. On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 1:59 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > Sean, do you use a smartphone with that, or a tablet? Basically asking if

Re: [AFMUG] The Future

On Mon, Jan 20, 2020, 4:19 PM Mathew Howard wrote: > It seems likely to me. Google already has Google Fi... it wouldn't take a > huge stretch of the imagination for them to just start throwing a Google Fi > LTE radio into the various home automation devices they make and just > charge a monthly f

Re: [AFMUG] The Future

Until they decided it’s not worth it to them. And shut down the iot division. > On Jan 20, 2020, at 6:18 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: > > It seems likely to me. Google already has Google Fi... it wouldn't take a > huge stretch of the imagination for them to just start throwing a Google Fi > LTE r

Re: [AFMUG] The Future

It seems likely to me. Google already has Google Fi... it wouldn't take a huge stretch of the imagination for them to just start throwing a Google Fi LTE radio into the various home automation devices they make and just charge a monthly fee that covers whole mess. On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 1:32 PM

[AFMUG] Frontier Bankruptcy

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/01/frontier-an-isp-in-29-states-plans-to-file-for-bankruptcy/ Not a huge surprise, worth noticing nonetheless. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi analyzer apps for iOS

Sean, do you use a smartphone with that, or a tablet? Basically asking if a 5 inch screen works, or you need something more like 10 inches. We all have phones, may not have a tablet, and a cheap tablet like a Tab A probably won’t be visible outdoors. From: AF On Behalf Of Sean Hesket

Re: [AFMUG] The Future

Google bought nest and all the nestlings. Amazon bought ring and all the ringlings. bp On 1/20/2020 11:32 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:    so does alexa / google home become the "middlewa

Re: [AFMUG] The Future

so does alexa / google home become the "middleware" to connect your home network / devices? kind of already seeing this with google purchasing what was it...some home automation thing didn't amazon/alexa purchase ring? - Original Message - From: Mathew Howard To: AnimalFarm Micr

Re: [AFMUG] The Future

> On Monday, January 20, 2020 Adam Moffett wrote: > > Whoever built that network with multimode was nuts. +1 > unless it's direct burial.  If they direct buried multimode then > yeah it's utterly worthless. It might not be utterly worhless, tho. As with aerial, permits and easements ar

Re: [AFMUG] The Future

People have said mobile operators will get into "home connectivity" since 2g/3g/4g and yet it's completely worthless where I'm at. I'm stuck with 0g at grain silos 100 feet up. A small town nearby has 0g. In between those 0g sites and towns, we get enough connectivity for a phone call or to look

Re: [AFMUG] The Future

We had a customer who had put his Clear NID inside a tupperware container under the eave of his roof. It sorta worked, and sorta didn't. bp On 1/20/2020 10:43 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote: Seth, That's the equivalent of putting a Linksys router in a Tupperware container and cal

Re: [AFMUG] The Future

Seth, That's the equivalent of putting a Linksys router in a Tupperware container and calling yourself a WISP. -- Best regards, Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Technologies, Inc. www.Myakka.com -- Monday, January 20, 2020, 1:27:45 PM, you wrote: SM> On

Re: [AFMUG] The Future

On 1/20/20 12:37 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: I purchased an ISP that came with an outdoor fiber network.  That outdoor network was MM with repeaters ever few blocks, because well MM. Multimode outdoor? Why would anyone do that? SMF fiber from the 90's is still as capable as new SMF fiber today. -

Re: [AFMUG] The Future

On 1/20/20 7:26 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: What about home security cameras, security systems, all the connected home devices?  I certainly don't want to pay a monthly fee to connect all of them together. Everyone wants a piece of the monthly subscription pie, I don't think that's going to chang

Re: [AFMUG] The Future

I agree, true rural, that does not have a fiber option will probably be a great application for it. -Original Message- From: Bill Prince Sent: Monday, January 20, 2020 11:01 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The Future If the SpaceX Starlink system works at 50% of what it's

Re: [AFMUG] The Future

If the SpaceX Starlink system works at 50% of what it's hyped, it will become the future of rural internet. Urban is still going to be dominated (eventually) by fiber for the foreseeable future. Higher speed wireless will be very, very local. bp On 1/19/2020 6:29 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: I d

Re: [AFMUG] The Future

Yeah... it turns out flying cars just aren't that practical. On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 10:37 AM Adam Moffett wrote: > We have flying cars, but we call them helicopters. Get a license and > buy one. File flight plans with the FAA whenever you want to drive it. > Sounds wonderful. > > > On 1/20/20

Re: [AFMUG] Antivirus Software

I use the one built into Windows.  It quietly upgrades in the background, doesn't seem to hurt performance, and it doesn't pester me about non-problems to justify its own existence.  It also had the right price. There seems to be an assumption in the desktop support world that the paid produc

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Andales breakfast yesterday

Damn, I may have to take my wife to brunch now... From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Monday, January 20, 2020 10:15 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Andales breakfast yesterday Chilachiles Yacaipitxla...yum yum yum ---

Re: [AFMUG] The Future

The upper limits of fiber bandwidth have not yet been measured. Labs report new speed/BW records every so often. So I do believe fiber is future proof. 30 years? Actuarial tables tell me not to worry so much... Once the fiber is in, it does not wear out. Does not need to be upgraded. Even

Re: [AFMUG] The Future

We have flying cars, but we call them helicopters.  Get a license and buy one.  File flight plans with the FAA whenever you want to drive it.  Sounds wonderful. On 1/20/2020 11:32 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Still waiting for my flying car. Why do they keep selling things we didn't ask for. I ne

Re: [AFMUG] The Future

Exactly. things like washing machines, that use a tiny amount of data anyway, will just have their own connection... it actually makes it a lot simpler for the end user, since it will just work without the need to mess with anything. Although I think it's more likely that it will just be whatever

Re: [AFMUG] The Future

Still waiting for my flying car. Why do they keep selling things we didn't ask for. I never asked for an Internet washing machine. Have you ever seen an Internet washing machine in a movie about the future? F-L-Y-I-N-G-C-A-R dammit! -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Nate Burk

Re: [AFMUG] The Future

I've had an AT&T UVerse business connection. From a customer perspective, they don't know squat about serving the SMB market. Maybe they could up their game, but they have a long way to go. What they are selling is basically a residential product. -Original Message- From: AF On Beh

Re: [AFMUG] The Future

It may end up being purely a wireless game controlled by the big mobile wireless folks, but there are some trends that we see in our business that are telling us wireless is going to be a challenge. 1. All video (and music) entertainment is headed toward streaming. Gaming falls into the hi

Re: [AFMUG] The Future

There are already provisions to start removing the requirement for IMEI and SIMs for 5G. I think the biggest change you will see won't be the residential market but the SMB markets. Wireless providers see that as an untapped market for them they have already hit most of residential users. ATT i

Re: [AFMUG] The Future

No, You'll buy the 'Verizon washing machine with Alexa' And it will all just work when you get it home. If you decide to change wireless providers, you just get a new washing machine. On 1/20/2020 9:45 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: So now I have to register the IMEI off my washing machine? That sh

Re: [AFMUG] The Future

So now I have to register the IMEI off my washing machine? That should go over well with the end users. On 1/20/20 10:40 AM, Gino A. Villarini wrote: Mobile ops  will get into the “Home Connectivity” game and will offer mobile/home bundles *GinoVillarini *Founder/President @gvillarini t

Re: [AFMUG] Antivirus Software

Unless he will be needing to do video editing, I would get him a Chromebook or Chromebox and call it a day. If he downloads something nefarious, reset the machine and you're good. bp On 1/20/2020 7:10 AM, Nate Burke wrote: I'm working on building a PC for a new sales guy.  I don't trust that

Re: [AFMUG] The Future

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Re: [AFMUG] Antivirus Software

I've used ESET for about 10 years and have been happy with it. Seems to strike a good balance between protection yet not bogging down the PC, that was the reason I switched from Norton. Nothing is perfect. -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Nate Burke Sent: Monday, January 20, 20

Re: [AFMUG] The Future

Do you actually think we're ever going to see unlimited 5G service? What about home security cameras, security systems, all the connected home devices? I certainly don't want to pay a monthly fee to connect all of them together. On 1/20/20 10:18 AM, Mathew Howard wrote: That's exactly what I

Re: [AFMUG] The Future

That's exactly what I was thinking reading this thread. Fiber isn't likely to be surpassed by anything else anytime soon, but the need for having any kind of a traditional wired connection to the home could very well disappear in the not too distant future. Fiber is still going to be needed to make

Re: [AFMUG] Antivirus Software

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[AFMUG] Antivirus Software

I'm working on building a PC for a new sales guy. I don't trust that he won't click on every 'souprhot_girlzxxx___xxx-new...@ked.exe' file that he sees on the internet. What good antivirus software is out there these days? Or does just giving his Windows 10 account only user permissions acco

Re: [AFMUG] 11 ghz combiner

We've been doing that for years on a couple of different links. It works well, but I wouldn't push it beyond about 4 miles. On Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 10:13 PM Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > How long are your 11ghz links that you want to get more throughput on? I > have a couple 11ghz links that are 3-4

Re: [AFMUG] The Future

+1 what Gino said Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 9:28 AM Gino A. Villarini wrote: > Fiber is future proof but not human proof.. > > > > As the users continue to gravitate more to handheld devices, the actua

Re: [AFMUG] The Future

Fiber is future proof but not human proof.. As the users continue to gravitate more to handheld devices, the actual value of fiber as a last mile connection for the end user is a sliding graph towards 0. Wireless connectivity will continue expand in different iterations like 5G, 6G and other u

Re: [AFMUG] The Future

> Well... except that I'd argue *MULTIMODE* fiber isn't that "future proof". FTFY Jared > Sent: Monday, January 20, 2020 > From: "Matt Hoppes" > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" , "Ken Hohhof" > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The Future > > Well... except that I'd argue fiber isn't that "future

Re: [AFMUG] The Future

Well... except that I'd argue fiber isn't that "future proof". I purchased an ISP that came with an outdoor fiber network. That outdoor network was MM with repeaters ever few blocks, because well MM. That entire network is useless. so... I submit that as Exhibit A, your honor. On 1

Re: [AFMUG] 11 ghz combiner

So that is exactly what I'm going to do after talking with Jim Bouse... it's quick, dirty, and gets some AF24s out of my warehouse. Once we crest above 1.4 we'll probably go to Aviat. On 1/19/20 11:12 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: How long are your 11ghz links that you want to get more throughput