Re: [9fans] NIX/regen

2025-01-14 Thread tlaronde
On Mon, Jan 13, 2025 at 10:55:30PM -0800, Ron Minnich wrote: > Paul has taken us a whole lot further. Be sure to do a pull. 13,000 or > so removed files later, NIX is now just a small layer over a standard > 9front distro. > BTW, there were two "logos": ./lib/nix_color.png ./lib/nix_red.png (At

[9fans] Fwd: still looking for a logo?

2025-01-14 Thread ron minnich
Nemo liked the first one -- Forwarded message - From: Francisco J Ballesteros Date: Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 3:31 AM Subject: Re: still looking for a logo? To: nix-...@googlegroups.com Ok. I vote for this one. Could you guys vote and, say, tomorrow we put in the web the one that w

[9fans] Fwd: still looking for a logo?

2025-01-14 Thread ron minnich
my comment on the logos -- Forwarded message - From: ron minnich Date: Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:50 AM Subject: Re: still looking for a logo? To: Put them both up if you want. The first one you mentioned had the orangy flavor of nixie tubes. The second one is nice and compact, and

Re: [9fans] NIX/regen

2025-01-14 Thread Ron Minnich
yiyus, don't be too hard on yourself, your logos were far better than anything anyone else did. I had forgotten the logos entirely. I found some old list traffic and forwarded it. On Tue, Jan 14, 2025 at 6:09 AM Daniel Maslowski via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> wrote: > > Tracing back via the commit m

[9fans] Reminder: IWP9 in *PARIS* in *MAY*: papers due Feb 10!

2025-01-14 Thread Ron Minnich
The meeting is in Paris, May 22-24, at the wonderful CNAM: https://www.cnam.eu/museum/the-arts-et-metiers-museum-1206067.kjsp If you're not ready for a full paper (up to 15 pages), consider a 3-page WIP. More details can be found at iwp9.org. Or show up for a hack session! Looking forward to see

Re: [9fans] Reminder: IWP9 in *PARIS* in *MAY*: papers due Feb 10!

2025-01-14 Thread Paul Lalonde
Is there a preferred/recommended accommodation? I'm planning my trip now and need to sort that out. My usual left bank digs are a little far for socializing near the venue. Paul On Tue, Jan 14, 2025, 8:49 a.m. Ron Minnich wrote: > The meeting is in Paris, May 22-24, at the wonderful CNAM: > >

Re: [9fans] Reminder: IWP9 in *PARIS* in *MAY*: papers due Feb 10!

2025-01-14 Thread Ron Minnich
tons of hotels nearby https://www.google.com/maps/search/Hotels/@48.8659769,2.3567037,842m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m7!2m6!3m5!2sMus%C3%A9e+des+Arts+et+M%C3%A9tiers!3s0x47e66e1aa6c84435:0x772045ec563b1de2!4m2!1d2.3556152!2d48.8660399?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDEwOC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D I think I was in the B

Re: [9fans] Reminder: IWP9 in *PARIS* in *MAY*: papers due Feb 10!

2025-01-14 Thread Jens Staal
Is it OK to drop by if I find the time (not too far from Belgium)? Still a lot of unknowns when it comes to my teaching schedule etc so I can unfortunately not commit. Den tis 14 jan. 2025 kl 17:49 skrev Ron Minnich : > > The meeting is in Paris, May 22-24, at the wonderful CNAM: > > https://www

Re: [9fans] NIX/regen

2025-01-14 Thread Daniel Maslowski via 9fans
Tracing back via the commit message, that came via https://codereview.appspot.com/5143046 On Tue, 14 Jan 2025, 10:06 , wrote: > On Mon, Jan 13, 2025 at 10:55:30PM -0800, Ron Minnich wrote: > > Paul has taken us a whole lot further. Be sure to do a pull. 13,000 or > > so removed files later, NIX

Re: [9fans] NIX/regen

2025-01-14 Thread yy
On Tue, 14 Jan 2025 at 10:06, wrote: > > BTW, there were two "logos": And they are horrible. We were talking about having a logo with some kind of nixie tubes and I drafted those letters in a few minutes. Then someone asked for a cat and I reluctantly added that "cat" in another two minutes. And

Re: [9fans] NIX/regen

2025-01-14 Thread David du Colombier
> "Historical" note: David David du Colombier's 9legacy have patches > coming from nix applied (and some reverted) Roughly speaking, Nix is based on a version of Jim McKie's 9k from early 2011. Jim McKie later retrieved some improvements from Nix to its own 9k tree, especially since there was a l

Re: [9fans] 11th IWP9: cryptography / security

2025-01-14 Thread tlaronde
On Mon, Jan 13, 2025 at 11:48:23PM +0100, Daniel Maslowski via 9fans wrote: > I'd say, submit a paper and elaborate on this. > > There are many approaches to cryptography besides primitives that count on > problems hard to calculcate, such a steganograpby (hiding messages in > images) and other fo

Re: [9fans] Reminder: IWP9 in *PARIS* in *MAY*: papers due Feb 10!

2025-01-14 Thread Ori Bernstein
Yes, of course. On Tue, 14 Jan 2025 18:05:28 +0100 Jens Staal wrote: > Is it OK to drop by if I find the time (not too far from Belgium)? > Still a lot of unknowns when it comes to my teaching schedule etc so I > can unfortunately not commit. > > Den tis 14 jan. 2025 kl 17:49 skrev Ron Minnich

Re: [9fans] NIX/regen

2025-01-14 Thread Paul Lalonde
Credit where credit is due: this is made possible by the outstanding work the 9front crew have done at making a stable working distribution with all the bells and whistles - drawterm from my various desktop and mobile devices, git for revision management, vmx for testing, and an encouraging and use

Re: [9fans] NIX/regen

2025-01-14 Thread Ron Minnich
you should not need MP tables anyway. That is a 20-years-out-of-date format that rarely is correct on most modern machines. ACPI is the thing for you. 9front seems to do a good job of parsing it but, even back in the day, plan 9 handled the MADT and friends just fine. On Tue, Jan 14, 2025 at 3:09 

Re: [9fans] NIX/regen

2025-01-14 Thread Ori Bernstein
Netbooting is comfortable for this -- both on emulation and on real hardware. On Tue, 14 Jan 2025 15:08:51 -0800 Paul Lalonde wrote: > Your email is timely. > Yes, I just got enough init going to realize that it doesn't set up the MP > tables. > No now I need to figure out a flow with qemu, I gu

Re: [9fans] NIX/regen

2025-01-14 Thread Ori Bernstein
There's nothing inherently multiple core about it, and adding multicore support is probably not even that difficult. It just needs someone who cares to roll up their sleeves and write (probably a couple of hundred) lines of code. I think the trickier part will be in exposing it to the VMs, and not

Re: [9fans] NIX/regen

2025-01-14 Thread Ori Bernstein
Also, a reminder: the way things improve is one yak shave at a time. You try using the system for something, hit an issue or limitation, and pull out the razor. It doesn't have to happen for everything, every time, but with enough people actually adding capabilities to the system, things get bette

Re: [9fans] NIX/regen

2025-01-14 Thread Ron Minnich
I will ask someone who does that a lot. On Tue, Jan 14, 2025 at 8:27 PM Anthony Sorace wrote: > > Do you (or anyone else) have a recipe for getting qemu to do a real netboot > (as opposed to using a tiny partition to store a 9fat and netbooting from > that)? I have tried and haven’t been able t

Re: [9fans] NIX/regen

2025-01-14 Thread Anthony Sorace
Do you (or anyone else) have a recipe for getting qemu to do a real netboot (as opposed to using a tiny partition to store a 9fat and netbooting from that)? I have tried and haven’t been able to work it out. > On Jan 14, 2025, at 15:54, Ori Bernstein wrote: > > Netbooting is comfortable for

Re: [9fans] 11th IWP9: cryptography / security

2025-01-14 Thread Ron Minnich
the kertex paper sounds very interesting. I would still like to have pictex for it :-) On Tue, Jan 14, 2025 at 9:30 AM wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 13, 2025 at 11:48:23PM +0100, Daniel Maslowski via 9fans wrote: > > I'd say, submit a paper and elaborate on this. > > > > There are many approaches to cry

Re: [9fans] 11th IWP9: cryptography / security

2025-01-14 Thread tlaronde
On Tue, Jan 14, 2025 at 10:56:47AM -0800, Ron Minnich wrote: > the kertex paper sounds very interesting. I would still like to have > pictex for it :-) I will add it. Having added beamer with its dependencies (pgf and the like), pictex shouldn't be very difficult... > > On Tue, Jan 14, 2025 at 9

Re: [9fans] 11th IWP9: cryptography / security

2025-01-14 Thread Edouard Klein
pgf must have been a beast ! Looking forward to reading your paper and seeing your talk. writes: > On Tue, Jan 14, 2025 at 10:56:47AM -0800, Ron Minnich wrote: >> the kertex paper sounds very interesting. I would still like to have >> pictex for it :-) > > I will add it. Having added beamer with

Re: [9fans] NIX/regen

2025-01-14 Thread Stuart Morrow
Are you aware vmx is inherently single-core On Tue, 14 Jan 2025 at 18:01, Paul Lalonde wrote: > > Credit where credit is due: this is made possible by the outstanding work the > 9front crew have done at making a stable working distribution with all the > bells and whistles - drawterm from my va

Re: [9fans] 11th IWP9: cryptography / security

2025-01-14 Thread tlaronde
On Tue, Jan 14, 2025 at 10:56:47AM -0800, Ron Minnich wrote: > the kertex paper sounds very interesting. I would still like to have > pictex for it :-) > Done (was trivial). You can whether pick-up it (it depends on nothing): http://downloads.kergis.com/kertex/pkg/rcp/pic...@tex.sh or update al

Re: [9fans] NIX/regen

2025-01-14 Thread Paul Lalonde
Your email is timely. Yes, I just got enough init going to realize that it doesn't set up the MP tables. No now I need to figure out a flow with qemu, I guess. On Tue, Jan 14, 2025, 3:07 p.m. Stuart Morrow wrote: > Are you aware vmx is inherently single-core > > On Tue, 14 Jan 2025 at 18:01, Pau