On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Anthony Sorace wrote:
> fgb's a person, not a thing you install.
>
fgb is also the name of the directory containing his system, which is what I
meant. I see now that what I installed was actually fgb/contrib.
>> term% abaco
>> abaco: can't initialize webfs: '/mnt/web/ctl' does not exist
>
touch $home/lib/webcookies
and add "webfs" in your profile ($home/lib/profile) before plumber and rio
--
Federico G. Benavento
On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 16:33:41 EDT erik quanstrom wrote:
> let's take the path /sys/src/9/pc/sdata.c. for http, getting
> this path takes one request (with the prefix http://$server)
> with 9p, this takes a number of walks, an open. then you
> can start with the reads. only the reads may be done
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Balwinder S Dheeman wrote:
> I don't who and why one referred you to try 9vx
>
Maybe because it's faster, and easy to install. It only took a few minutes
to download it, unpack it, and start using it. It's an easy way to get
acquainted with the Plan 9 environment,
2009/4/20 andrey mirtchovski :
>> with 9p, this takes a number of walks...
>
> shouldn't that be just one walk?
>
> % ramfs -D
> ...
> % mkdir -p /tmp/one/two/three/four/five/six
> ...
> % cd /tmp/one/two/three/four/five/six
> ramfs 640160:<-Twalk tag 18 fid 1110 newfid 548 nwname 6 0:one 1:two
> 2
Some days ago I expressed my interest in working on the IMFS
implementation on plan 9 and I was waiting to see if someone would
work on it for the gsoc. Apparently no one is going to, so I would
like to work on it. For sure I need someone to guide me all along the
way, is there anyone willing to do
2009/4/21 maht :
> Tag 3 could conceivably arrive at the server before Tag 2
that's not true, otherwise the flush semantics wouldn't
work correctly. 9p *does* require in-order delivery.
Hi,
this is probably a very basic question, but I am becoming quite
frustrated since I am not able to do what I want.
Imagine that I have 2 plan 9 installations. I just want to share a
namespace from one into the other using exportfs and import (or
whatever is needed). I do not want to authenticate
Running 9vx is not exactly the same as running a cpu/file server, be it
natively or in qemu/vmware/whatnot. I haven't managed to use 9vx as a cpu
server (although I haven't tried very hard so far) while it's pretty
easy to do what you want once you have set up a "real" cpu server.
So you might wan
I tried webfs and got an error message, so I ran webcookies, and then I was
able to run webfs without an error message. Then I was able to run abaco.
Now I need to learn how to use it. I thought maybe I could just type in a
URL and 2-click "Get," but nothing happened.
I'll need to learn how to acc
> I tried webfs and got an error message, so I ran webcookies, and then I was
> able to run webfs without an error message. Then I was able to run abaco.
> Now I need to learn how to use it. I thought maybe I could just type in a
> URL and 2-click "Get," but nothing happened.
i can verify that tha
thanks a lot. Probably I will need qemu.
2009/4/21, Mathieu Lonjaret :
> Running 9vx is not exactly the same as running a cpu/file server, be it
> natively or in qemu/vmware/whatnot. I haven't managed to use 9vx as a cpu
> server (although I haven't tried very hard so far) while it's pretty
>
i wrote:
> the currently rather complex definition of Twalk could
> be replaced by clone and walk1 instead, as
> in the original 9p: {Tclone, Twalk, Twalk, ...}
i've just realised that the replacement would be
somewhat less efficient as the current Twalk, as the
cloned fid would still have to be c
On Tue Apr 21 06:25:49 EDT 2009, rogpe...@gmail.com wrote:
> 2009/4/21 maht :
> > Tag 3 could conceivably arrive at the server before Tag 2
>
> that's not true, otherwise the flush semantics wouldn't
> work correctly. 9p *does* require in-order delivery.
i have never needed to do anything importa
>
> - and how to change to a different user without rebooting.
there are two answers to this question, depending on if you
have a cpu server or a terminal
* terminal. don't do that. the plan 9 model is that you really
own the hardware and the terminal is not intended to be
multi-user. so you d
one issue with multiple 9p requests is that tags are not order enforced
consider the contrived directory tree
1/a/a
1/a/b
1/b/a
1/b/b
Twalk 1 fid 1
Twalk 2 fid a
Twalk 3 fid b
Tag 3 could conceivably arrive at the server before Tag 2
On Tue Apr 21 10:05:43 EDT 2009, rogpe...@gmail.com wrote:
> 2009/4/21 erik quanstrom :
> > what is the important use case of flush and why is this
> > so important that it drives the design?
>
[...]
> "The 9P protocol must run above a reliable transport protocol with
> delimited messages. [...]
>
2009/4/21 erik quanstrom :
> what is the important use case of flush and why is this
> so important that it drives the design?
actually the in-order delivery is most important
for Rmessages, but it's important for Tmessages too.
consider this exchange (C=client, S=server), where
the Tflush is sent
Well, if you don't have flush, your server is going to keep a request
for each process that dies/aborts. If requests always complete quite
soon it's not a problem, AFAIK, but your server may be keeping the
request to reply when something happens. Also, there's the issue that
the flushed request may
On Tue Apr 21 10:34:34 EDT 2009, n...@lsub.org wrote:
> Well, if you don't have flush, your server is going to keep a request
> for each process that dies/aborts. If requests always complete quite
> soon it's not a problem, AFAIK, but your server may be keeping the
> request to reply when something
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 07:17, Mathieu Lonjaret wrote:
// Running 9vx is not exactly the same as running a cpu/file server...
This is certainly true, but isn't really relevant here.
If you're looking to do ad hoc sharing, the easiest way is probably
with listen1, exportfs, and import. I just test
> I tried webfs and got an error message, so I ran webcookies, and then I was
> able to run webfs without an error message. Then I was able to run abaco.
> Now I need to learn how to use it. I thought maybe I could just type in a
> URL and 2-click "Get," but nothing happened.
>
You execute "New",
This was exactly what I was trying to do, thank you very much.
It works just fine in 9vx.
Saludos
2009/4/21, Anthony Sorace :
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 07:17, Mathieu Lonjaret wrote:
> // Running 9vx is not exactly the same as running a cpu/file server...
>
> This is certainly true, but isn't re
> You could have easily looked at something like /rc/bin/sig or whatever to
> figure out the same stuff, but I guess it continues to be easier to post on
> 9fans than to think.
give the guy a break. he seems to have made a lot of progress and its only
natural
to be confused by things that would
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 8:40 AM, hugo rivera wrote:
> This was exactly what I was trying to do, thank you very much.
> It works just fine in 9vx.
could your problem have been port # collision? i.e. all the port #s
are shared between 9vx instances (unless my memory has totally gone).
ron
2009/4/21, ron minnich :
> could your problem have been port # collision? i.e. all the port #s
> are shared between 9vx instances (unless my memory has totally gone).
I am not really sure, but all the errors I got where related to factotum files.
--
Hugo
2009/4/21 erik quanstrom :
> isn't the tag space per fid?
no, otherwise every reply message (and Tflush) would include a fid too;
moreover Tversion doesn't use a fid (although it probably doesn't
actually need a tag)
> a variation on the tagged queuing flush
> cache would be to force the client t
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:50:18 EDT erik quanstrom wrote:
> On Tue Apr 21 10:34:34 EDT 2009, n...@lsub.org wrote:
> > Well, if you don't have flush, your server is going to keep a request
> > for each process that dies/aborts.
If a process crashes, who sends the Tflush? The server must
clean up w
> plan 9 and inferno rely quite heavily on having flush,
> and it's sometimes notable when servers don't implement it.
> for instance, inferno's file2chan provides no facility
> for flush notification, and wm/sh uses file2chan; thus if you
> kill a process that's reading from wm/sh's /dev/cons,
> t
i don't know if anybody still uses ned, especially with nupas,
but i added a few little wrinkles to ned that folks seem to
be asking about. they're not in the man page yet since i'm
not sure if they're just horrible, but here are a few
0. p upasmessagefile. any message file can be printed.
1.
> > if the problem with 9p is latency, then here's a decision that could be
> > revisisted. it would be a complication, but it seems to me better than
> > a http-like protocol, bundling requets together or moving to a storage-
> > oriented protocol.
>
> Can you explain why is it better than bundl
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:03:07 BST roger peppe wrote:
> the idea with my proposal is to have an extension that
> changes as few of the semantics of 9p as possible:
>
> C->S Tsequence tag=3D1 sid=3D1
> C->S Topen tag=3D2 sid=3D1 fid=3D20 mode=3D0
> C->S Tread tag=3D3 sid=3D1 fid=3D20 count=3D8192
>
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 2:52 AM, maht wrote:
> one issue with multiple 9p requests is that tags are not order enforced
>
> consider the contrived directory tree
>
> 1/a/a
> 1/a/b
> 1/b/a
> 1/b/b
>
> Twalk 1 fid 1
> Twalk 2 fid a
> Twalk 3 fid b
>
> Tag 3 could conceivably arrive at the server bef
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 1:19 AM, roger peppe wrote:
> 2009/4/20 andrey mirtchovski :
> >> with 9p, this takes a number of walks...
> >
> > shouldn't that be just one walk?
> >
> > % ramfs -D
> > ...
> > % mkdir -p /tmp/one/two/three/four/five/six
> > ...
> > % cd /tmp/one/two/three/four/five/six
2009/4/21 Bakul Shah :
> In the pipelined case, from a server's perspective, client's
> requests just get to it faster (and may already be waiting!).
> It doesn't have to do anything special. What am I missing?
you're missing the fact that without the sequence operator, the
second request can arr
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 9:25 AM, erik quanstrom wrote:
> > > if the problem with 9p is latency, then here's a decision that could be
> > > revisisted. it would be a complication, but it seems to me better than
> > > a http-like protocol, bundling requets together or moving to a storage-
> > > ori
2009/4/21 David Leimbach :
> Roger... this sounds pretty promising.
i dunno, there are always hidden dragons in this area,
and forsyth, rsc and others are better at seeing them than i.
> 10p? I'd hate to call it 9p++.
9p2010, based on how soon it would be likely to be implemented...
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 10:06 AM, roger peppe wrote:
> 2009/4/21 David Leimbach :
> > Roger... this sounds pretty promising.
>
> i dunno, there are always hidden dragons in this area,
> and forsyth, rsc and others are better at seeing them than i.
>
Perhaps... but this discussion, and "trying" i
2009/4/21 erik quanstrom :
>> plan 9 and inferno rely quite heavily on having flush,
>> and it's sometimes notable when servers don't implement it.
>> for instance, inferno's file2chan provides no facility
>> for flush notification, and wm/sh uses file2chan; thus if you
>> kill a process that's rea
2009/4/21 erik quanstrom :
> bundling is equivalent to running the original sequence on
> the remote machine and shipping only the result back. some
> rtt latency is eliminated but i think things will still be largely
> in-order because walks will act like fences. i think the lots-
> of-small-fil
Although I did use Plan 9 about a year ago I never got around to learning much
about it...
so finally re-installed it a few days ago...
and now see that I've forgotten quite a bit of the little I knew.
Upon trying to run abaco I get an error message that
lib/font/bit/lucidasans/passwd.6.font
> i was trying to point out that if you try to
> ignore the issue by removing flush from the
> protocol, you'll get a system that doesn't work so smoothly.
your failure cases seem to rely on poorly chosen tags.
i wasn't suggesting that flush be eliminated. i was
thinking of ways of keeping flush
2009/4/21 erik quanstrom :
>> i was trying to point out that if you try to
>> ignore the issue by removing flush from the
>> protocol, you'll get a system that doesn't work so smoothly.
>
> your failure cases seem to rely on poorly chosen tags.
> i wasn't suggesting that flush be eliminated. i was
2009/4/21 philo...@juno.com :
> Could someone be kind enough to remind me how I gain access
> to protected folders such as /lib and /bin
You want to add yourself to the group sys on the file server (fossil).
The wiki explains how with links to relevant man pages:
http://www.plan9.bell-labs.com/wik
I've been posting too much for this kind of list. Sorry.
Thank you...
that worked fine!
I'll read the wiki if I have more questions
(or post here if I get lost)
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Greetings!
I think, posting is quite ok! I'm in the same position, having set up
Plan 9 on a spare machine and seeing different hurdles to overcome,
that seem to be trivial for those who have mastered them, but for a
novice in Plan 9 (although I have a long background in the computing
industry ...
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Balwinder S Dheeman
> wrote:
>
>> I don't who and why one referred you to try 9vx
>>
>
> Maybe because it's faster, and easy to install. It only took a few minutes
> to download it, unpack it, and start using it. It's an easy way to get
> acquainted with the Pl
> i'm speculating on the design of the auth system. i wasn't
> there so i could be wrong. but in order to have a terminal
> that many people could log into would require either
> (a) killing off the original factotum on logout and changing
> eve back to bootes or something. and beware the 1001 p
> I've been posting too much for this kind of list. Sorry.
Not at all. As long as the questions are genuine and
you're learning from it, your questions are welcome
as far as I'm concerned. The real flamage comes when
a) someone tries to "teach their grandmother to suck
eggs" or b) a person seems
>> I've been posting too much for this kind of list. Sorry.
>
> Not at all. As long as the questions are genuine and
> you're learning from it, your questions are welcome
> as far as I'm concerned. The real flamage comes when
> a) someone tries to "teach their grandmother to suck
> eggs" or b) a
It was nice to see this message. Thank you!
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 6:23 AM, wrote:
> > I've been posting too much for this kind of list. Sorry.
>
> Not at all. As long as the questions are genuine and
> you're learning from it, your questions are welcome
> as far as I'm concerned. The real fl
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 8:29 AM, wrote:
> Yeah, don't let my message from earlier scare you off... I was just
> cranky at the prospect of a long day of classes ;) The point of a
> mailing list isn't to see how few messages we can get in a month,
> although of course it's not a blog either.
Tha
> It was nice to see this message. Thank you!
You're welcome. When you've been part of a community
for quite a while, it's easy to forget what it's like being
new to that community. And I've certainly had my
share of questions over the years. Anyway, good luck
with your experiments and learning
Has anyone else tried grabbing the latest Plan9 ISO (from the website)
and installing it via VirtualBox v2.2 ? I got only as far as:
kfs...
And the whole thing just stalled and hung at that point, so I am
hoping that someone can point me to the wrong vbox settings that I am
using.
I am trying t
I've had similar problems on OS X, so I think it's a problem with
VirtualBox, not Vista. I got past initial configuration and
installation, but the system consistently froze when I tried to
compile a new kernel. I switched to QEMU and haven't had any issues
since.
Aside from switching emu
I have tried to boot a number of Plan 9 4e ISOs on a number of VirtualBox
releases (even from before Sun acquired it). Just won't work. It will take
someone who knows Plan 9 very well to debug it and find out exactly why it
doesn't.
A problem with Virtual PC was recently solved, I remember, by
Thanks Preston, Thanks Eris,
I'll take the qemu approach then. I'd rather not start
patching/recompiling plan 9 kernels just yet. :-)
Thanks again,
Mon
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:30 PM, Eris Discordia
wrote:
> I have tried to boot a number of Plan 9 4e ISOs on a number of VirtualBox
> releases
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