Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2009-04-05 Thread Rudolf Sykora
Hello after some time I crossed this matter again... /old/c/new/ doesn't scroll to the dot where the change happens in neither sam nor acme. My feeling is that it should. (Should there be any reason for different behaviour compared to the situation when the command is split as /old/ followed by c

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-10-24 Thread Rudolf Sykora
> The .+#0 is there because if you Undo one of the changes, > the text that is selected right now will be "old". Starting > the search at .+#0 skips over that occurrence to go to > the next one. > Russ the text that is selected right now will be "old" ... that's true BUT it doesn't matter. The se

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-10-24 Thread Russ Cox
>>Edit .+#0/old/c/new/ > The command really goes through occurences of 'old' and highlights > them, but it doesn't scroll, so I can't see them... which is somewhat > crucial for beeing able to confirm/reject the change. > I also don't quite understand why that .+#0 is there... The .+#0 is

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-10-23 Thread yy
> Well, since noone helped me I started to play with it to find at least > some solution. I found that when I write > /old/c/new/ [ENTER] > . > somewhere, highlight it (2 lines) and 2-1 click on Edit in the window > with my file, then it works. > Is there anything simpler? > Ruda > > You could als

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-10-23 Thread Rudolf Sykora
2008/10/22 Rudolf Sykora <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 2008/8/19 Russ Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >>> 06. Search and replace with confirmation at each item >> >> Put the cursor at the top of the file. >> In the tag, type and select >> >>Edit .+#0/old/c/new/ >> >> and middle click it. That will sea

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-10-22 Thread Rudolf Sykora
2008/8/19 Russ Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> 06. Search and replace with confirmation at each item > > Put the cursor at the top of the file. > In the tag, type and select > >Edit .+#0/old/c/new/ > > and middle click it. That will search for old, replace it > with new, and scroll the file t

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-24 Thread John Waters
Not here in Najd, Saudi Arabia, where I live and work, it isn't. 2008/8/24 Eris Discordia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > One more bit on Arabic: > > In a predicative sentence the subject is necessarily "Marfu'" (= "مرفوع") > which means it either has a "damma" (= "ضمه") or a "dammatan" (= "ضمهٌ") on > the

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-24 Thread Michaelian Ennis
I like to garden. Can we talk about flowers now in this thread? I am particularly fond of orchids and lilies. I don't really know that much about them but lilies are hearty in Northern Georgia and the orchids I tend to salvage from the grocery store after they begin to look dead. So the lilies need

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-24 Thread Eris Discordia
One more bit on Arabic: In a predicative sentence the subject is necessarily "Marfu'" (= "مرفوع") which means it either has a "damma" (= "ضمه") or a "dammatan" (= "ضمهٌ") on the ending letter. Whether the "damma" or the "dammaton" is used depends on whether the subject is "Ma'rafa" (= "معرفه"

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-24 Thread Eris Discordia
this leads to the conclusion that google is different from knowledge. No. It leads to a more meaningful conclusion. Namely, that a 9person will not learn another language, Arabic in this case, even by living in another country, in this case the KSA. And that there are better sources for copy

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-24 Thread Eris Discordia
Man, this mailing list seems to love my contaminative presence. If you don't want me to post please don't challenge my previous postings. Otherwise, I'll have to respond. 1. "As-Salam" is a noun, "Salam," with the definite article "Al." It means "peace." It is also one of the many descriptive

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-24 Thread erik quanstrom
> Small correction, it is actually " ال سلام " , or "As-Salaam" (the L > in AL elides with "shams" letters). It would also be inappropriate for > you to receive such a greeting, which is a du'a reserved for muslims > only. Since you are using the name "Eris, is the name of a "deity", it > is safe t

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-24 Thread John Waters
Small correction, it is actually " ال سلام " , or "As-Salaam" (the L in AL elides with "shams" letters). It would also be inappropriate for you to receive such a greeting, which is a du'a reserved for muslims only. Since you are using the name "Eris, is the name of a "deity", it is safe to assume y

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-22 Thread hiro
Now if only we others would stop sending any more mails... On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 9:13 AM, Andrew Simmons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>Anyway, you won't get any more of this. End of transmission. ␄ >> > Hurrah! >

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-21 Thread Andrew Simmons
>Anyway, you won't get any more of this. End of transmission. ␄ > Hurrah!

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-21 Thread Federico G. Benavento
relax On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 7:11 PM, Eris Discordia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> goodness, it's not annoying. It's just a waste of breath, bandwidth, >> and bytes. Why not go do some reading and stop wasting all three? > > Breath I should rather save. Bandwidth I pay for. Bytes I push down the

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-21 Thread Eris Discordia
goodness, it's not annoying. It's just a waste of breath, bandwidth, and bytes. Why not go do some reading and stop wasting all three? Breath I should rather save. Bandwidth I pay for. Bytes I push down the pipe. I admit it also costs 9fans.net a very very tiny amount. Anyway, you won't get an

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-21 Thread ron minnich
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Eris Discordia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is it _that_ annoying to you? I could just keep silent if it is so, no > "booting" required. goodness, it's not annoying. It's just a waste of breath, bandwidth, and bytes. Why not go do some reading and stop wasting a

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-21 Thread hiro
> List manager: can we *please* just boot this guy until he comes back > as a real person? It's getting old. Why don't you just ignore eris or the whole thread? I don't get all the fuss.

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-21 Thread Eris Discordia
Skipping general offenses... List manager: can we *please* just boot this guy until he comes back as a real person? It's getting old. Is it _that_ annoying to you? I could just keep silent if it is so, no "booting" required. Though I have to say I don't understand how a handful of emails to

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-21 Thread Eris Discordia
namespaces are not public in the sense that they are visible to all processes. I was trying to compare UNIX to Plan 9. Apparently, UNIX processes share a single "public" namespace which therefore has to be protected by access privileges. since this started out as a discussion of terminals,

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-21 Thread ron minnich
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 9:39 AM, Eris Discordia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Basically, a terminal should not hold _any_ information on its users. Where > does the security of not keeping authentication information on a so-called > terminal go when you _keep_ it on the "terminal?" But with multipl

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-21 Thread ron minnich
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 9:59 AM, Eris Discordia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A correction: > > Mea culpa. UNIX systems apparently force processes to share a single network > stack, gee how about that? Isn't it nice to acquire knowledge and *then* post? > but that can be changed: > > http://www.te

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-21 Thread Eris Discordia
A correction: Mea culpa. UNIX systems apparently force processes to share a single network stack, but that can be changed: http://www.tel.fer.hr/zec/papers/zec-03.pdf A paper on virtualizing network stacks in FreeBSD kernel, 2003 USENIX.

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-21 Thread Eris Discordia
Virtualization and jailing are hacks to work around the inherent Virtualization is much more than that. It has a future and the future's here. It also has a rather glorious past in IBM VM/CMS. restriction ('only root can become another user', hence su/sudo, only root can open certain ports,

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-21 Thread David Leimbach
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 3:58 AM, erik quanstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > A plan9 terminal can run programs, and can have a local storage file > > system, with multiple users. > > i think this is misleading. while the fs running on the terminal can have > multiple users, it is not true that y

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-21 Thread john
>> A plan9 terminal can run programs, and can have a local storage file >> system, with multiple users. > > i think this is misleading. while the fs running on the terminal can have > multiple users, it is not true that you can have multiple users using > the cpu resources of a terminal concurren

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-21 Thread erik quanstrom
> A plan9 terminal can run programs, and can have a local storage file > system, with multiple users. i think this is misleading. while the fs running on the terminal can have multiple users, it is not true that you can have multiple users using the cpu resources of a terminal concurrently. you

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-21 Thread erik quanstrom
> So essentially there shouldn't be a problem with mounting on a single > "public" namespace namespaces are not public in the sense that they are visible to all processes. > as long as there is one user on the system. since this started out as a discussion of terminals, i should point out tha

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-21 Thread Uriel
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 11:46 PM, Eris Discordia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thank you, sqweek. The second golden Golden Apple with καλλιστι on it is > totally yours. The first one went to Russ Cox. > >> You don't care who mounts what where, because the rest of the system >> doesn't notice the na

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-20 Thread Dan Cross
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 9:43 PM, Eris Discordia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> take it easy on the porn and get some real sex, eris. you're way too >> angry. > > Sir, yessir! The Marines don't do Japanese, sir! Clearly you've never been to Iwakuni.

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-20 Thread Eris Discordia
I was going to give it a rest. Really. But I couldn't overcome my bad habits. They outnumber me ten to one ;-) You're right; it isn't. Is that good or bad? What about in an office environment? Same answer there? Plan 9's aptitude for becoming easily distributed--that is, becoming decentraliz

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-20 Thread Geoffrey Avila
Not (currently) a Plan 9 user, but I gotta chime in: It seems the security ascribed to disposable machines comes from that "user data" is stored on a different, presumably safer, machine in, for example, some sort of data warehouse at a data center. This isn't a new idea--actually, it's _very

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-20 Thread Pietro Gagliardi
I'm sorry, but this needs a comment. On Aug 20, 2008, at 5:46 PM, Eris Discordia wrote: As Pietro demonstrated, no interface configuration is necessary here. Only because the concept is hidden in Plan 9, though I don't know how. _Someone_ or _something_ has to decide whether to route your

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-20 Thread Eris Discordia
Thank you, sqweek. The second golden Golden Apple with καλλιστι on it is totally yours. The first one went to Russ Cox. You don't care who mounts what where, because the rest of the system doesn't notice the namespace change. So essentially there shouldn't be a problem with mounting on a sin

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-20 Thread sqweek
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 2:58 AM, erik quanstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> You only need a cpu >> server if you want to let other machines run processes on your >> machine. You only need an auth server if you want to serve resources >> to a remote machine. > > i don't think this is accurate. > >

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-20 Thread erik quanstrom
> You only need a cpu > server if you want to let other machines run processes on your > machine. You only need an auth server if you want to serve resources > to a remote machine. i don't think this is accurate. You only need a cpu server if you want to let /multiple users/ run processes on your

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-20 Thread sqweek
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 8:56 PM, Eris Discordia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> No. Private namespaces. > > And how does that solve the problem of whom to trust with mounting? You don't care who mounts what where, because the rest of the system doesn't notice the namespace change. But it sounds li

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-20 Thread Iruata Souza
On 8/20/08, Eris Discordia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ACLs were invented long ago. yes, I like clean and simple solutions too. iru

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-20 Thread Sander van Dijk
On 8/20/08, Eris Discordia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Code page 1252, ANSI Latin I. Presumably the one most widely used. Thanks. It was intended as a rhetorical question though. Gr. Sander. > --On Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:44 AM +0200 Sander van Dijk > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On 8/

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-20 Thread Eris Discordia
Code page 1252, ANSI Latin I. Presumably the one most widely used. --On Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:44 AM +0200 Sander van Dijk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 8/20/08, Eris Discordia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] Figured it could as well be 8-bit ASCII. Which one?

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-20 Thread Eris Discordia
The ascii that is 8 bits is not the true ascii. I answered that one. No. Private namespaces. And how does that solve the problem of whom to trust with mounting? Or with configuring a network interface? If someone has access to, say, eth0 then they have access to eth0. No amount of privat

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-20 Thread Eris Discordia
Read the rest of the paragraph you're responding to. Or "stop feeding the troll" as the big bosses advised you. --On Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:12 AM +0100 matt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What's the Plan 9 way of solving that? Trusting the user at the terminal? yes, no other things r

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-20 Thread Eris Discordia
However, this is just wrong. NT was Unicode from the beginning, even at the kernel level. You're right. My fault. MSDN says NT was Unicode from the beginning. --On Wednesday, August 20, 2008 7:56 AM -0400 Robert William Fuller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Eris Discordia wrote: MS-DOS never

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-20 Thread Bruce Ellis
twenty years ago i was asked by a journalist to similarly explain why i was using UNIX. i ended up saying "UNIX says screw you, i agree". it was one of the few random comments he didn't print. no 9fan needs to ask. they just get the job done because they know that what they are doing is much more

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-20 Thread Robert William Fuller
Eris Discordia wrote: MS-DOS never had Unicode support. Neither did any Windows version up to 3.1, NT 3.5, and 95. NT 4 introduced it into the Microsoft sphere in 1996. In 5-6 years--from 1996 to 2001--Windows surpassed Plan 9 in Unicode handling, in all practical aspects. I'm pretty far from

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-20 Thread matt
What's the Plan 9 way of solving that? Trusting the user at the terminal? yes, no other things required, you fail (as per usual)

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-20 Thread sqweek
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Eris Discordia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Wow. Does memorising codepoints fall under your job description aswell? > > No. I looked it up in Microsoft Windows' Character Map. Saw it was below > 255. Knew UTF-8 corresponds to ASCII in lower character codes (not su

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-20 Thread Eris Discordia
If Mr. Edison thought a bit more, he wouldn't have to sweat so much. But it was Tesla who died in poverty, I remember. And it's his spectre that's attracting the "Tesla coil" conspiracy theories. Not to mention the horrendous amount of baseless claims around his inventions and discoveries. Ed

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-20 Thread Eris Discordia
I don't get this, ™ is the unicode character 2122, not ASCII. I agree it could be generated on a MS-DOS pretty much any byte sequence could be, but I doubt even DOS 6.22 had unicode support, so you would have to translate it to a code page reprisentation and load the correct fonts. You're right

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-20 Thread Sander van Dijk
On 8/20/08, Eris Discordia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [...] Figured it could as well be 8-bit ASCII. Which one?

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-20 Thread Eris Discordia
Wow. Does memorising codepoints fall under your job description aswell? No. I looked it up in Microsoft Windows' Character Map. Saw it was below 255. Knew UTF-8 corresponds to ASCII in lower character codes (not sure 7-bit or 8-bit). Figured it could as well be 8-bit ASCII. ifconfig: only

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-20 Thread matt
That stack has been implemented in vim. There're nearly 500 different syntax matching and highlighting schemes for vim, and there's a simple language for writing your own schemes. Why not use vi? To paraphrase Tesla : If Mr. Edison thought a bit more, he wouldn't have to sweat so much.

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-20 Thread Eris Discordia
None of the above, I write embedded code, my employer has a clear enough vision to allow me to use whatever OS I like, provided I get the job in hand done, which I clearly do. You have a _very_ flexible employer there. I'am afraid I am not willing to discuss the details of my job with you, how

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-20 Thread Eris Discordia
style(6) says not to convert tabs to spaces. I see. People on Plan 9 are "told" which characters they "should" or "shouldn't" use in their text. Great! An awk program can do this. The idea is to interpret tags as they come in the form of a stack: codestack

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-20 Thread Eris Discordia
Enlighten me, then. Revealing a date of commencement won't comprise a breach of non-disclosure, would it? --On Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:34 PM -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't believe everything you read on Wikipedia.

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-20 Thread Eris Discordia
as i suspected, you're here for therapy. _Intense_ therapy. i can see you're bitter. Not very much. The "researching" and "submitting" and hoyvin' mayvin' is going to be my bane, too. In a different field. Namely, differential geometry. More specifically, Finsler geometry. To be exact, fin

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-20 Thread Eris Discordia
Oh, I'm waiting for a phone call before bed. What the hell. Sleep tight. Every night. My job includes some programming, some document writing, lots of reading. Programming _for_ Plan 9? Document writing _for_ Plan 9? Reading _about_ Plan 9? I'm, of course, benignly assuming you create "us

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-20 Thread Eris Discordia
therapy? _Intense_ therapy. --On Tuesday, August 19, 2008 8:12 PM -0700 Skip Tavakkolian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ms. Discordia, if you don't like it here why do you stay? therapy?

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-20 Thread Eris Discordia
should be "Just stay away from Acme if you aren't lucky enough to be stuck with Plan 9". Could be. Only _luck_ could make you that miserable; reason does a better job. Also, you could be a little funnier. --On Tuesday, August 19, 2008 8:11 PM -0700 Skip Tavakkolian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-20 Thread Eris Discordia
"Thank you." --On Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:13 PM -0300 Iruata Souza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: eris, I agree, thanks. iru

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-20 Thread Eris Discordia
No, that's not the UNIX philosophy. That's the X/Linux/GNU philosophy. Go read "Program Design in the UNIX Environment" by Kernighan and Pike to see what I mean. Get educated. Don't you even know where X came from? Just a funny idea: have you noticed that the "Kernighan, Pike, Ritchie, Thomspo

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-20 Thread Eris Discordia
Did your language training involve being taught the difference between a work/task and a job/profession? --On Tuesday, August 19, 2008 10:08 PM -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: // Others, like me, have some "petty" work to do. Like knowing which // character on which line they're editing or cont

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-20 Thread Steve Simon
> Steve Simon's trademark character, I presume, was generated by > [Alt]+0153--you call [Alt] an "Option" key, right? nope, Alt,T,M > Well below 255, it's > just extended/8-bit ASCII. Not right-to-left, not even out of ISO 8859. You > could generate that character even on MS-DOS. I don't get

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-20 Thread Steve Simon
> 1. Maintaining a Plan 9 system? > 2. Programming a Plan 9 system? > 3. Researching a Plan 9 system? > 4. Or you got some job other than jobs created _around_ Plan 9 and you use > Plan 9? None of the above, I write embedded code, my employer has a clear enough vision to allow me to use whatever

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-20 Thread bb
Eris Discordia schrieb: Been there, done that. --On Tuesday, August 19, 2008 10:00 PM -0400 Pietro Gagliardi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have an idea, Eris. Why don't you fuck off and actually USE Plan 9 for once? "Unspeakable horrors from outer space paralyze the living and resurr

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-20 Thread Eris Discordia
Been there, done that. --On Tuesday, August 19, 2008 10:00 PM -0400 Pietro Gagliardi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have an idea, Eris. Why don't you fuck off and actually USE Plan 9 for once?

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-19 Thread sqweek
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 9:39 AM, Eris Discordia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Steve Simon's trademark character, I presume, was generated by [Alt]+0153 Wow. Does memorising codepoints fall under your job description aswell? > $ curl gopher://tokyo.ac.jp/a/b/r.tokyo.jpg > $ ifconfig cellnetif num

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-19 Thread Bruce Ellis
We've seen that, and go to band practice. Tell us all about. Just keep up the therapy and the medication. brucee On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Pietro Gagliardi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just a few other bits of relevance to the original topic: > > On Aug 19, 2008, at 11:52 AM, Wendell xe w

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-19 Thread Pietro Gagliardi
Just a few other bits of relevance to the original topic: On Aug 19, 2008, at 11:52 AM, Wendell xe wrote: 07. Automatic insertion of spaces for tabs style(6) says not to convert tabs to spaces. 11. Bookmarks If you know what text the bookmark will point to, make a comment on the line above

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-19 Thread Bruce Ellis
Pietro why don't you shut up? You annoy my dog. brucee On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Pietro Gagliardi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Geoff! Why not let Eris read your paper on Why Plan 9 Matters?

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-19 Thread Pietro Gagliardi
Geoff! Why not let Eris read your paper on Why Plan 9 Matters?

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-19 Thread geoff
Don't believe everything you read on Wikipedia.

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-19 Thread Bruce Ellis
When in doubt say something's shitty and try somother OS. You'll be back. Others have tried and failed with your strategy. brucee On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Skip Tavakkolian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> No, you justify your salary, dear Sir. I honestly respect you for having >> written th

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-19 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
> No, you justify your salary, dear Sir. I honestly respect you for having > written the nemo book--you're nemo after all. That, however, won't change > my stance on Plan 9 and the 9people. as i suspected, you're here for therapy. > You have nothing else but "researching" OS's and "submitting

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-19 Thread andrey mirtchovski
>> Ms. Discordia, if you don't like it here why do you stay? > > therapy? here is the scary.devil.monastery of old systems programmers, after all. :)

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-19 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
> Just stay away from Acme if you aren't stuck with Plan 9. should be "Just stay away from Acme if you aren't lucky enough to be stuck with Plan 9".

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-19 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
> Ms. Discordia, if you don't like it here why do you stay? therapy?

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-19 Thread a
// Bite if you please. Hook, line, and sinker ;-) Oh, I'm waiting for a phone call before bed. What the hell. My job has nothing to do with your 1-3. I agree with Steve exactly: I use Plan 9 because it allows me to get my job done easier. My job includes some programming, some document writing, l

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-19 Thread Iruata Souza
eris, I agree, thanks. iru

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-19 Thread a
// Others, like me, have some "petty" work to do. Like knowing which // character on which line they're editing or controlling how long their // lines of text get, _without_ resorting to acrobatics. Wait, your *job* is knowing where editor cursors are and how long lines are? Wow, that really sucks

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-19 Thread Pietro Gagliardi
On Aug 19, 2008, at 9:39 PM, Eris Discordia wrote: No, that's not what I said. I said that Plan 9 obeys the UNIX philosophy, not that it was UNIX. GNU obeys this philosophy (up to the point of where to draw the lines on the size of tools). And to some extent, Windows (Windows Movie Maker doe

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-19 Thread Pietro Gagliardi
I have an idea, Eris. Why don't you fuck off and actually USE Plan 9 for once?

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-19 Thread Eris Discordia
No, that's not what I said. I said that Plan 9 obeys the UNIX philosophy, not that it was UNIX. GNU obeys this philosophy (up to the point of where to draw the lines on the size of tools). And to some extent, Windows (Windows Movie Maker doesn't call up another computer now, does it?) I guess "t

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-19 Thread Eris Discordia
take it easy on the porn and get some real sex, eris. you're way too angry. Sir, yessir! The Marines don't do Japanese, sir! --On Tuesday, August 19, 2008 10:31 PM -0300 Iruata Souza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 8:51 PM, Eris Discordia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Wrong

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-19 Thread Iruata Souza
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 8:51 PM, Eris Discordia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Wrong on so many levels. > > Go read the responses 9people gave the original poster. You'll see why it's > _right_ on so many levels. > >> Plan 9 obeys the UNIX way: tools that make jobs simpler. > > A UNIX better than UN

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-19 Thread Benjamin Huntsman
>Is it sam that attaches a file named "winmail.dat" to your emails?! No, though this has been discussed here before. It's a result of the fact that my e-mail is hosted on an Exchange server. winmail.dat gets generated to pass formatting data between OWA (which I use) and Outlook. It unfortunat

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-19 Thread Eris Discordia
Evidently not... (Or you'd be doing it now). Petty work is _petty_, you see. They give you some breaks during which you come to desolate mailing lists and upload enlightening orations. I know, it's a pretty miserable life--my life. --On Tuesday, August 19, 2008 4:36 PM -0700 Jonathan Cast

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-19 Thread Eris Discordia
Yes, try that. Sam has an "edge" over vi by being a desperate half-clone of ed. Is it sam that attaches a file named "winmail.dat" to your emails?! --On Tuesday, August 19, 2008 4:03 PM -0700 Benjamin Huntsman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You might give Sam a try. I'm still working my way up

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-19 Thread Eris Discordia
thanks for setting me straight. for some reason, i thought my company had shipped several thousand units based on plan 9. i don't know what would have given me that idea. Somebody would make a bad choice anyway. Microsoft shipped "thousands" of copies of Microsoft Bob before they learnt about

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-19 Thread Eris Discordia
I'm cool. --On Tuesday, August 19, 2008 7:46 PM -0300 "Federico G. Benavento" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: relax -- Federico G. Benavento

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-19 Thread Pietro Gagliardi
On Aug 19, 2008, at 7:51 PM, Eris Discordia wrote: Plan 9 obeys the UNIX way: tools that make jobs simpler. A UNIX better than UNIX? I thought that was just the thing 9people claimed to be past. Didn't I hear someone saying, "Plan 9 is not UNIX?" Ahem... GNU's Not UNIX, too, nah? No, that

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-19 Thread David Leimbach
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Iruata Souza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Pietro Gagliardi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > 7. sed 's/ //g' file > file2 && mv file2 file > > rest in peace file2. > > iru > We barely knew you?

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-19 Thread Eris Discordia
Its because I want to "Get my job done"™ that I use plan9. Bite if you please. Hook, line, and sinker ;-) What's your job? 1. Maintaining a Plan 9 system? 2. Programming a Plan 9 system? 3. Researching a Plan 9 system? 4. Or you got some job other than jobs created _around_ Plan 9 and you use

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-19 Thread Eris Discordia
Wrong on so many levels. Go read the responses 9people gave the original poster. You'll see why it's _right_ on so many levels. Plan 9 obeys the UNIX way: tools that make jobs simpler. A UNIX better than UNIX? I thought that was just the thing 9people claimed to be past. Didn't I hear som

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-19 Thread Jonathan Cast
On Wed, 2008-08-20 at 00:27 +0100, Eris Discordia wrote: > No, you justify your salary, dear Sir. I honestly respect you for having > written the nemo book--you're nemo after all. That, however, won't change > my stance on Plan 9 and the 9people. You have nothing else but > "researching" OS's an

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-19 Thread Eris Discordia
No, you justify your salary, dear Sir. I honestly respect you for having written the nemo book--you're nemo after all. That, however, won't change my stance on Plan 9 and the 9people. You have nothing else but "researching" OS's and "submitting" papers. That "justifies" your 9life. Others, like

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-19 Thread Eris Discordia
Ms. Discordia, if you don't like it here why do you stay? "Just lurking," I overheard the "hackers" say. --On Tuesday, August 19, 2008 4:12 PM -0600 andrey mirtchovski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ms. Discordia, if you don't like it here why do you stay?

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-19 Thread Benjamin Huntsman
You might give Sam a try. I'm still working my way up to Acme too, but Sam has an edge over vi for me... ...Might be nice if there was an option to open a document in a default window though, but if it were a big enough concern, I've got the source and could make the change... :) -Ben <>

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-19 Thread Federico G. Benavento
relax -- Federico G. Benavento

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