Oh, I'm waiting for a phone call before bed. What the hell.
Sleep tight. Every night.
My job includes some programming, some document writing, lots of reading.
Programming _for_ Plan 9? Document writing _for_ Plan 9? Reading _about_
Plan 9?
I'm, of course, benignly assuming you create "usable" programs and
documents. And read "useful" things. Couldn't Windows do the job? Or
FreeBSD? Or what-have-you Linux? And better, easier?
I've never been employed to count columns or fold lines.
Neither have I. You _still_ haven't figured out the difference between a
work/task and a job/profession?
interface encourages good mental habits that help me produce
quality stuff.
Could your "quality" by any chance be _quantified_?
I find the applications and interfaces in Plan 9 to be far more
consistent and convenient than in other systems. That's true both
for programming interfaces and user interfaces. This means I can
let the system do its job and get out of my way without having to
think about it as much as I do elsewhere.
Rationale? Examples? Comparison? Why would anyone else care how _you_ find
it? Tell me how _I_ can do it. Tell _them_ how they can do it.
do for me, that's fine (academically, I might speculate on why).
Academically, speculate on _what_ exactly Plan 9 does for you. Also, share
your speculations.
using the system productively are either delusional or just don't
exist is highly insulting.
I don't remember having called anyone "delusional" or "non-existent."
The key here is that every new person who comes to 9fans and asks a few
questions about very mundane things available elsewhere gets pathologically
flamed about why "those darned things" shouldn't exist and how Plan 9 is so
great by "not having them" and that they should go "do it themselves" if
it's out of the 9people's narrow scopes/niches/specialization. _That's_
insulting, especially from a group who claim to offer--yes, when it's up
for grabs and web sites say cool things about it it's an offer--a
"complete" OS.
Why not put one these flames at a place visible from
http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/?
Just look at the sort of "solutions" this thread's originator has received.
They've been told to use awk for matching HTML tags. Or to type "Edit ="
and then do the acrobatics whenever they need to know their position in
code--oh, and no "columns."
--On Tuesday, August 19, 2008 10:29 PM -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
// Bite if you please. Hook, line, and sinker ;-)
Oh, I'm waiting for a phone call before bed. What the hell.
My job has nothing to do with your 1-3. I agree with Steve exactly: I
use Plan 9 because it allows me to get my job done easier. My job
includes some programming, some document writing, lots of
reading. I've never been employed to count columns or fold lines. I
use Acme (even when not on Plan 9) because, at least for me, the
interface encourages good mental habits that help me produce
quality stuff.
I find the applications and interfaces in Plan 9 to be far more
consistent and convenient than in other systems. That's true both
for programming interfaces and user interfaces. This means I can
let the system do its job and get out of my way without having to
think about it as much as I do elsewhere.
You're also engaging in all sorts of poor logic in the "No True
Scotsman" family in order to try and exclude folks like Coraid
who're really excellent counter-examples to your claims: they
use Plan 9 not for (the benefit of) Plan 9, but because it allows them
to build products (for other people who likely have no idea Plan 9
is involved) easier.
If Acme (or Plan 9 generally) don't fit your style well, that's fine. If
the interfaces don't have the same beneficial effects for you as they
do for me, that's fine (academically, I might speculate on why).
Feel free not to use it. But to imply that people who are actually
using the system productively are either delusional or just don't
exist is highly insulting.
Anthony
