date:20130411



Under Fedora 17 I recently had problems with running latex on a file that
previously (under Ubuntu) I had no difficulty with.  (A while back I had to
switch from Ubuntu to Fedora for reasons that I won't go into here.)

I thought that perhaps I might be able to get rid of the flakiness
by re-installing texlive.

I downloaded the install-tl-unx.tar.gz tarball from

http://www.tug.org/texlive/acquire.html

unpacked, changed directories appropriately and executed

./install.tl

as per instructions.  I got an error message:
Can't locate Digest/MD5.pm in @INC (@INC contains: ./tlpkg 
/usr/local/lib64/perl5 /usr/local/share/perl5 
/usr/lib64/perl5/vendor_perl /usr/share/perl5/vendor_perl 
/usr/lib64/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 .) at tlpkg/TeXLive/TLUtils.pm line 
199.

BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at tlpkg/TeXLive/TLUtils.pm line 199.
Compilation failed in require at ./install-tl line 53.
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at ./install-tl line 53.


I looked at line 53 and it is opaque to me.

I presume that I need to update *something* w.r.t. perl, but it is not 
at all

clear to me what I need to do.  Doing "yum search perl" gave a plethora of
hits.   I have no idea which are the relevant ones.  Then "yum search perl5"
basically turned up perl-pgsql_perl5.x86_64. What has pgsql got to do with
the price of eggs in China?

Can anyone suggest what I need to do to remedy the problem?

I have no idea what extra information is relevant, so I have not tried
to provide any.  If some Good Samaritan would like more information
about my set-up, please feel free to ask and I will do my best to
supply it.

I am fairly computer/Linux/LaTeX literate, but there are gaping lacunae
in my knowledge, so please be patient with me.

cheers,

Rolf Turner

P. S. I originally posted this query to texhax, but was told that this is a
Fedora issue not a texlive issue, and that I should post to this list.

R. T.

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Re: Installing texlive under Fedora 17.

2013-04-11 Thread Ed Greshko

On 04/11/13 17:03, Rolf Turner wrote:
>
> Under Fedora 17 I recently had problems with running latex on a file that
> previously (under Ubuntu) I had no difficulty with.  (A while back I had to
> switch from Ubuntu to Fedora for reasons that I won't go into here.)
>
> I thought that perhaps I might be able to get rid of the flakiness
> by re-installing texlive.
>
> I downloaded the install-tl-unx.tar.gz tarball from
>
> http://www.tug.org/texlive/acquire.html
>
> unpacked, changed directories appropriately and executed
>
> ./install.tl

How had you installed texlive previously on F17?

Did you not install it with

yum install texlive

for a reason?

>
> as per instructions.  I got an error message:
>> Can't locate Digest/MD5.pm in @INC (@INC contains: ./tlpkg 
>> /usr/local/lib64/perl5 /usr/local/share/perl5 /usr/lib64/perl5/vendor_perl 
>> /usr/share/perl5/vendor_perl /usr/lib64/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 .) at 
>> tlpkg/TeXLive/TLUtils.pm line 199.
>> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at tlpkg/TeXLive/TLUtils.pm line 199.
>> Compilation failed in require at ./install-tl line 53.
>> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at ./install-tl line 53.

yum install perl-Digest-MD5 will get you Digest/MD5.pm

>
> I looked at line 53 and it is opaque to me.
>
> I presume that I need to update *something* w.r.t. perl, but it is not at all
> clear to me what I need to do.  Doing "yum search perl" gave a plethora of
> hits.   I have no idea which are the relevant ones.  Then "yum search perl5"
> basically turned up perl-pgsql_perl5.x86_64. What  has pgsql got to do with
> the price of eggs in China?
>
> Can anyone suggest what I need to do to remedy the problem?
>
> I have no idea what extra information is relevant, so I have not tried
> to provide any.  If some Good Samaritan would like more information
> about my set-up, please feel free to ask and I will do my best to
> supply it.
>
> I am fairly computer/Linux/LaTeX literate, but there are gaping lacunae
> in my knowledge, so please be patient with me.
>
> cheers,
>
> Rolf Turner
>
> P. S. I originally posted this query to texhax, but was told that this is a
> Fedora issue not a texlive issue, and that I should post to this list.
>
> R. T.
>
>
>


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Re: Installing texlive under Fedora 17.



I'm not completely sure if I installed texlive using yum, or if texlive came
with the initial install of Fedora 17.  My vague recollection is that 
there was

a latex facility that came with Fedora 17 but it was incomplete, and that
I did indeed do "yum install texlive" to fix things up.

Now when I do "yum install texlive" it tells me that I have the latest 
version

and that there is nothing to do.

*BUT* there are flakes.  Toy example:

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage[UKenglish]{isodate}
\cleanlookdateon
\begin{document}
Today's date is: \today.
\end{document}

When I run latex I get the error:

! LaTeX Error: File `isodate.sty' not found.

But if I ask (in the shell) "locate isodate" I get:

/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/doc/latex/isodate
/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/isodate

However the directory /usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/isodate
is empty.

I thought that this might be rectified by doing an install from the
texlive web site.  But then I (as described in my initial post) got stymied
by a deficiency in my system in respect of perl.

Now that I look, it seems that almost all of the directories in
/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/doc/latex are empty.  (There are
exceptions, e.g. amsmath.)

Is there some incantation that I can invoke, via yum, to get these
directories filled up?

Thanks.

cheers,

Rolf Turner

On 04/11/2013 09:20 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 04/11/13 17:03, Rolf Turner wrote:

Under Fedora 17 I recently had problems with running latex on a file that
previously (under Ubuntu) I had no difficulty with.  (A while back I had to
switch from Ubuntu to Fedora for reasons that I won't go into here.)

I thought that perhaps I might be able to get rid of the flakiness
by re-installing texlive.

I downloaded the install-tl-unx.tar.gz tarball from

 http://www.tug.org/texlive/acquire.html

unpacked, changed directories appropriately and executed

 ./install.tl

How had you installed texlive previously on F17?

Did you not install it with

yum install texlive

for a reason?


as per instructions.  I got an error message:

Can't locate Digest/MD5.pm in @INC (@INC contains: ./tlpkg 
/usr/local/lib64/perl5 /usr/local/share/perl5 /usr/lib64/perl5/vendor_perl 
/usr/share/perl5/vendor_perl /usr/lib64/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 .) at 
tlpkg/TeXLive/TLUtils.pm line 199.
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at tlpkg/TeXLive/TLUtils.pm line 199.
Compilation failed in require at ./install-tl line 53.
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at ./install-tl line 53.

yum install perl-Digest-MD5 will get you Digest/MD5.pm


I looked at line 53 and it is opaque to me.

I presume that I need to update *something* w.r.t. perl, but it is not at all
clear to me what I need to do.  Doing "yum search perl" gave a plethora of
hits.   I have no idea which are the relevant ones.  Then "yum search perl5"
basically turned up perl-pgsql_perl5.x86_64. What  has pgsql got to do with
the price of eggs in China?

Can anyone suggest what I need to do to remedy the problem?

I have no idea what extra information is relevant, so I have not tried
to provide any.  If some Good Samaritan would like more information
about my set-up, please feel free to ask and I will do my best to
supply it.

I am fairly computer/Linux/LaTeX literate, but there are gaping lacunae
in my knowledge, so please be patient with me.

 cheers,

 Rolf Turner

P. S. I originally posted this query to texhax, but was told that this is a
Fedora issue not a texlive issue, and that I should post to this list.

 R. T.

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Re: ZDNet Recommends Linux

On Thu, 2013-04-11 at 16:43 +1000, Michael Leung wrote:
> Now is a post-pc era.

I've never been in the major computing rat race, I've always used the
alternatives (never had a C64, used Amiga when Windows became all the
rage, Linux later on, and other things before we had personal computers
that we'd recognise today).  There's always been something different.
It's rarely been a competitor on an even footing, but existed for many
years because people did want something different.  I don't see that
situation going away.  There will always be some alternative, and Linux
needs to stay being an alternative, not a clone of the world's worst
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Re: [OT] How to get all packages belonging to a group?

2013-04-11 Thread Bruno Wolff III


On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 08:43:56 +0200,
  Joachim Backes  wrote:

I don't think this question is off topic for the users' list.


Hi all,

is there a method to list all packages belonging to an installed 
group? For example, "yum grouplist" lists LibreOffice as installed 
group, and I want to know which rpm's are belonging to this group

(not by using "rpm -qa libreoffice*").


yum group info groupname

This won't show if packages are mandatory, default or optional (at least 
not without other options).

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Re: Installing texlive under Fedora 17.

2013-04-11 Thread Mike Williams

>
> On 04/11/2013 09:20 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
>
>> On 04/11/13 17:03, Rolf Turner wrote:
>>
>>> Under Fedora 17 I recently had problems with running latex on a file that
>>> previously (under Ubuntu) I had no difficulty with.  (A while back I had
>>> to
>>> switch from Ubuntu to Fedora for reasons that I won't go into here.)
>>>
>>> I thought that perhaps I might be able to get rid of the flakiness
>>> by re-installing texlive.
>>>
>>> I downloaded the install-tl-unx.tar.gz tarball from
>>>
>>>  http://www.tug.org/texlive/acquire.html
>>>
>>
The texlive that comes with fedora 17 is texlive 2007, the version from the
tug link is texlive 2013.  On my system I used yum to remove texlive, then
downloaded the .iso from tug, mounted the iso, installed from that and it
works fine.

Mike
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Re: ZDNet Recommends Linux

2013-04-11 Thread Michael Leung

I am thinking about some linux based opensource tablet os.


On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 8:32 PM, Tim  wrote:

> On Thu, 2013-04-11 at 16:43 +1000, Michael Leung wrote:
> > Now is a post-pc era.
>
> I've never been in the major computing rat race, I've always used the
> alternatives (never had a C64, used Amiga when Windows became all the
> rage, Linux later on, and other things before we had personal computers
> that we'd recognise today).  There's always been something different.
> It's rarely been a competitor on an even footing, but existed for many
> years because people did want something different.  I don't see that
> situation going away.  There will always be some alternative, and Linux
> needs to stay being an alternative, not a clone of the world's worst
> operating system ever foisted upon the public.
>
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> 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686
>
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Re: Installing texlive under Fedora 17.

2013-04-11 Thread Michael Schwendt

On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 21:03:23 +1200, Rolf Turner wrote:

> 
> Under Fedora 17 I recently had problems with running latex on a file that
> previously (under Ubuntu) I had no difficulty with.  (A while back I had to
> switch from Ubuntu to Fedora for reasons that I won't go into here.)
> 
> I thought that perhaps I might be able to get rid of the flakiness
> by re-installing texlive.
> 
> I downloaded the install-tl-unx.tar.gz tarball from
> 
> http://www.tug.org/texlive/acquire.html
> 
> unpacked, changed directories appropriately and executed
> 
>  ./install.tl
> 
> as per instructions.  I got an error message:
> > Can't locate Digest/MD5.pm in @INC (@INC contains: ./tlpkg 
> > /usr/local/lib64/perl5 /usr/local/share/perl5 
> > /usr/lib64/perl5/vendor_perl /usr/share/perl5/vendor_perl 
> > /usr/lib64/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 .) at tlpkg/TeXLive/TLUtils.pm line 
> > 199.
> > BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at tlpkg/TeXLive/TLUtils.pm line 199.
> > Compilation failed in require at ./install-tl line 53.
> > BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at ./install-tl line 53.
> 
> I looked at line 53 and it is opaque to me.

Do you read from bottom to top? In the first line it says it cannot locate
Perl module Digest/MD5.pm, so that's what you should install first.
Package perl-Digest-MD5 (or whatever includes the needed module). You
may search remove package repositories with Yum or repoquery.

> I am fairly computer/Linux/LaTeX literate, but there are gaping lacunae
> in my knowledge, so please be patient with me.

I would begin with using the TeX Live that is included with Fedora 17,
install optional packages as needed and don't mix with stuff installed
from source.

# yum list texlive\*|wc -l
4770

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Re: ZDNet Recommends Linux

Allegedly, on or about 11 April 2013, Michael Leung sent:
> I am thinking about some linux based opensource tablet os.

I'm not...  It's an utterly useless machine for almost everything that I
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Re: ZDNet Recommends Linux

2013-04-11 Thread Gary Stainburn

I still have 70+ users running WinXP and for the moment have no plans to 
change them just because support will cease.  I'm sure there are others in a 
similar situation.

I would love to move all 200+ users to Linux + LibreOffice but I'm stuck with 
having to use Internet Explorer 8/9 for the application we use to run our 
business.  The providers have specifically written the application to work 
with IE but even then have to "mend" it for each new release.

Having said that I'm not sure I would use Fedora as the release/update cycle 
would be a nightmare to administer for 200+ seats.  I would be interested to 
hear people's comments on which dist would be better for desktop (non-IT) 
users. Centos? Mint?

I do have two Macbooks in the company and I do like the look and feel of them 
but to be honest I'm glad I don't have to *use* them. They're not used by 
what I could call "business users" tho so I don't know how they would perform 
in the real world.

I'm yet to be convinced about thin clients, be they ChromeOS or any of the 
other cloud based ones. I would be interested to hear of real world examples 
of it working tho.

On Thursday 11 April 2013 14:25:01 Michael Leung wrote:
> I am thinking about some linux based opensource tablet os.
>
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 8:32 PM, Tim  wrote:
> > On Thu, 2013-04-11 at 16:43 +1000, Michael Leung wrote:
> > > Now is a post-pc era.
> >
> > I've never been in the major computing rat race, I've always used the
> > alternatives (never had a C64, used Amiga when Windows became all the
> > rage, Linux later on, and other things before we had personal computers
> > that we'd recognise today).  There's always been something different.
> > It's rarely been a competitor on an even footing, but existed for many
> > years because people did want something different.  I don't see that
> > situation going away.  There will always be some alternative, and Linux
> > needs to stay being an alternative, not a clone of the world's worst
> > operating system ever foisted upon the public.
> >
> > --
> > [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r
> > 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686
> >
> > Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored.  I
> > read messages from the public lists.
> >
> >
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Re: presto

2013-04-11 Thread Kevin J. Cummings

On 04/09/2013 01:36 PM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:
> I am curious to know why anyone would not want to use the deltarpms? It
> works well and I am always looking for ways to save bandwidth, the
> smaller the files I download the better.

Because on some of my older machines, it takes *way* longer to expand
the drpms and create the rpms than it does to just download the rpms.

What should be a 1 minute download can turn into a 15 second download
and a 5-6 minute delta-expansion.

> Bob
> 


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Re: ZDNet Recommends Linux

2013-04-11 Thread Gary Stainburn

On Thursday 11 April 2013 14:55:01 Tim wrote:
> Allegedly, on or about 11 April 2013, Michael Leung sent:
> > I am thinking about some linux based opensource tablet os.
>
> I'm not...  It's an utterly useless machine for almost everything that I
> do.

I can't see what this would give you over the Android already installed.  I 
have a SSH/telnet client, a VNC client, a VPN client all running under 
Android. What else do you need on a tablet apart from a pool app and a flight 
sim?

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XDG_CONFIG_HOME

2013-04-11 Thread Jonathan Ryshpan

Font control files and a bunch of other stuff for per-user configuration
is supposed to be stored relative to $XDG_CONFIG_HOME .  I would assume
that this is be set by default by either a standard login script, or by
the window manager, which in my case is KDE.  But it isn't.  Is this a
problem?  If it is a problem, how do I fix it?

Thanks - jon

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Re: XDG_CONFIG_HOME

2013-04-11 Thread Rahul Sundaram

Hi


On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:

> **
> Font control files and a bunch of other stuff for per-user configuration
> is supposed to be stored relative to $XDG_CONFIG_HOME .  I would assume
> that this is be set by default by either a standard login script, or by the
> window manager, which in my case is KDE.  But it isn't.  Is this a
> problem?  If it is a problem, how do I fix it?
>
> Thanks - jon
>

It is not supposed to be set by default.  The default is .config in your
home directory.  If you do set it to something else via the variable, apps
should respect it however.  Refer to

http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-latest.html

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Re: ZDNet Recommends Linux



Am 11.04.2013 16:03, schrieb Gary Stainburn:
> On Thursday 11 April 2013 14:55:01 Tim wrote:
>> Allegedly, on or about 11 April 2013, Michael Leung sent:
>>> I am thinking about some linux based opensource tablet os.
>>
>> I'm not...  It's an utterly useless machine for almost everything that I
>> do.
> 
> I can't see what this would give you over the Android already installed.  I 
> have a SSH/telnet client, a VNC client, a VPN client all running under 
> Android. What else do you need on a tablet apart from a pool app and a flight 
> sim?

sounds like you are never done serious work on your computer

i have Android and VNC/RDP/SSH too but it is a nightmare doing
serious work on a touch-display and it is a nightmare to work
with a browser-based CMS

nobody which works all day long with his computer will ever use
smartphones or tablets for this and when a remote-session to
a powerful machine does not fit the workload even not with
a external keyboard and a large screen attached

these are nice devices fpr by-the-way-work, not more and not less



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Re: Installing texlive under Fedora 17.

2013-04-11 Thread Susi Lehtola



Quoting Rolf Turner :


Under Fedora 17 I recently had problems with running latex on a file that
previously (under Ubuntu) I had no difficulty with.  (A while back I had to
switch from Ubuntu to Fedora for reasons that I won't go into here.)

I thought that perhaps I might be able to get rid of the flakiness
by re-installing texlive.

I downloaded the install-tl-unx.tar.gz tarball from


Don't install stuff manually when things have already been packages.  
Fedora 18 features a complete TeXLive 2012 distribution; you can also  
get it on Fedora 17 by


# yum remove tex-* texlive-*
# cat > /etc/yum.repos.d/texlive.repo

Re: Installing texlive under Fedora 17.

2013-04-11 Thread George Avrunin

On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 17:46:15 +0300, Susi Lehtola
 wrote:

> Don't install stuff manually when things have already been packages.  
> Fedora 18 features a complete TeXLive 2012 distribution; you can also  
> get it on Fedora 17 by

Except that I think Fedora installs the versions from the TeX Live svn
repository, so the binary versions you get may not be the same as if you
install from TeX Live 2012.  There have been times when the repository had
broken binaries. I haven't personally had any problems with the Fedora 18
stuff, but I don't run XeTeX, ConTeXt, etc., and if the problem is getting
LaTeX to work on a file that worked previously, this sort of thing might be an
issue.  

  George

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Re: ZDNet Recommends Linux

2013-04-11 Thread Gary Stainburn

On Thursday 11 April 2013 15:39:15 Reindl Harald wrote:
> Am 11.04.2013 16:03, schrieb Gary Stainburn:
> > On Thursday 11 April 2013 14:55:01 Tim wrote:
> >> Allegedly, on or about 11 April 2013, Michael Leung sent:
> >>> I am thinking about some linux based opensource tablet os.
> >>
> >> I'm not...  It's an utterly useless machine for almost everything that I
> >> do.
> >
> > I can't see what this would give you over the Android already installed. 
> > I have a SSH/telnet client, a VNC client, a VPN client all running under
> > Android. What else do you need on a tablet apart from a pool app and a
> > flight sim?
>
> sounds like you are never done serious work on your computer
>
> i have Android and VNC/RDP/SSH too but it is a nightmare doing
> serious work on a touch-display and it is a nightmare to work
> with a browser-based CMS
>
> nobody which works all day long with his computer will ever use
> smartphones or tablets for this and when a remote-session to
> a powerful machine does not fit the workload even not with
> a external keyboard and a large screen attached
>
> these are nice devices fpr by-the-way-work, not more and not less

Reindl

I think that you have missed the point.  I completely agree with you that 
using a tablet as a proper work horse is a none-starter. That is *why* I said 
that there is no point going to the effort of replacing the already competent 
enough Android OS with Linux as the increase in functionality would be 
minimal. (I wouldn't be without my peoper qwerty touch keyboard app and don't 
know what a Linux equiv would be like)

I love my tablet because it is always on and always there, as is my Galaxy S2 
phone which also has these apps (less the keyboard app as the keys would be 
minute). However, as far as I'm concerned there will not be for some time to 
come a suitable replacement for my traditional Fedora/KDE laptop.

As for never doing serious work on my computer, you know absolutely jack s**t 
about me or my 25 years in the business.

Gary
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Re: ZDNet Recommends Linux



Am 11.04.2013 17:45, schrieb Gary Stainburn:
> On Thursday 11 April 2013 15:39:15 Reindl Harald wrote:
>> Am 11.04.2013 16:03, schrieb Gary Stainburn:
>>> On Thursday 11 April 2013 14:55:01 Tim wrote:
 Allegedly, on or about 11 April 2013, Michael Leung sent:
> I am thinking about some linux based opensource tablet os.

 I'm not...  It's an utterly useless machine for almost everything that I
 do.
>>>
>>> I can't see what this would give you over the Android already installed. 
>>> I have a SSH/telnet client, a VNC client, a VPN client all running under
>>> Android. What else do you need on a tablet apart from a pool app and a
>>> flight sim?
>>
>> sounds like you are never done serious work on your computer
>>
>> i have Android and VNC/RDP/SSH too but it is a nightmare doing
>> serious work on a touch-display and it is a nightmare to work
>> with a browser-based CMS
>>
>> nobody which works all day long with his computer will ever use
>> smartphones or tablets for this and when a remote-session to
>> a powerful machine does not fit the workload even not with
>> a external keyboard and a large screen attached
>>
>> these are nice devices fpr by-the-way-work, not more and not less
> 
> Reindl
> 
> I think that you have missed the point.  I completely agree with you that 
> using a tablet as a proper work horse is a none-starter. That is *why* I said 
> that there is no point going to the effort of replacing the already competent 
> enough Android OS with Linux as the increase in functionality would be 
> minimal. (I wouldn't be without my peoper qwerty touch keyboard app and don't 
> know what a Linux equiv would be like)

i do not see this in the post i responded to adn especially
not in the context you responded before

> As for never doing serious work on my computer, you know absolutely jack s**t 
> about me or my 25 years in the business

see above - you responded to "I'm not...  It's an utterly useless machine for
almost everything that I do" - so you have learned to make your context clear
in the message you write and not in the message you thought you write



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Re: ZDNet Recommends Linux

2013-04-11 Thread Fernando Cassia

On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 11:09 AM, Temlakos  wrote:
> Everyone:
>
> This might seem a little beyond scope to most of you, but:
>
> Windows XP is approaching its own EOL.
>
> Steven J. Vaughn-Nichols released this article

Personally I don't give a rat's ass about what Microsoft-infiltrated
ZiffGatesNet (ZDNet) recommends or stops recommending, even if by pure
chance one article happens to slightly match my interests

I recommend you change your reading habits...
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Re: ZDNet Recommends Linux

On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 05:49:25PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
> see above - you responded to "I'm not...  It's an utterly useless machine for
> almost everything that I do" - so you have learned to make your context clear
> in the message you write and not in the message you thought you write

Sarcasm?

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Re: Installing texlive under Fedora 17.

On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:31:17PM +1200, Rolf Turner wrote:
> 
> I'm not completely sure if I installed texlive using yum, or if texlive came
> with the initial install of Fedora 17.  My vague recollection is that there
> was
> a latex facility that came with Fedora 17 but it was incomplete, and that
> I did indeed do "yum install texlive" to fix things up.
> 
> Now when I do "yum install texlive" it tells me that I have the latest
> version
> and that there is nothing to do.

If disk space is not an issue, do "yum install texlive\*".  Otherwise do
"yum list texlive\*" and pick the packages you want to install.

FWIW, I think installing TeXLive from the iso from TUG is the most
reliable and easy to maintain.  I switched to this few years back and
have never looked back.

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Re: ZDNet Recommends Linux



Am 11.04.2013 18:27, schrieb Suvayu Ali:
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 05:49:25PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> see above - you responded to "I'm not...  It's an utterly useless machine for
>> almost everything that I do" - so you have learned to make your context clear
>> in the message you write and not in the message you thought you write
> 
> Sarcasm?

what do you want to tell me with this dumb question?
read the post i replied the first time in the thread!



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Re: ZDNet Recommends Linux

2013-04-11 Thread Joe Zeff


On 04/11/2013 08:45 AM, Gary Stainburn wrote:

I think that you have missed the point.  I completely agree with you that
using a tablet as a proper work horse is a none-starter. That is*why*  I said
that there is no point going to the effort of replacing the already competent
enough Android OS with Linux as the increase in functionality would be
minimal. (I wouldn't be without my peoper qwerty touch keyboard app and don't
know what a Linux equiv would be like)


To clarify: there would be no point in replacing Android with Linux *on 
tablets* because it wouldn't make them any more (or less) productive.

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Re: ZDNet Recommends Linux

2013-04-11 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan

On Thu, 2013-04-11 at 12:03 -0400, Fernando Cassia wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 11:09 AM, Temlakos  wrote:
> > Everyone:
> >
> > This might seem a little beyond scope to most of you, but:
> >
> > Windows XP is approaching its own EOL.
> >
> > Steven J. Vaughn-Nichols released this article
> 
> Personally I don't give a rat's ass about what Microsoft-infiltrated
> ZiffGatesNet (ZDNet) recommends or stops recommending, even if by pure
> chance one article happens to slightly match my interests
> 
> I recommend you change your reading habits...

Although I don't read the publication in question, Steven Vaughn-Nichols
has been a strong Linux advocate for many years.

So a report about him recommending Linux is a bit of a non-event.

poc

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Re: ZDNet Recommends Linux

On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 07:33:14PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
> 
> 
> Am 11.04.2013 18:27, schrieb Suvayu Ali:
> > On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 05:49:25PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
> >> see above - you responded to "I'm not...  It's an utterly useless machine 
> >> for
> >> almost everything that I do" - so you have learned to make your context 
> >> clear
> >> in the message you write and not in the message you thought you write
> > 
> > Sarcasm?
> 
> what do you want to tell me with this dumb question?
> read the post i replied the first time in the thread!

I am hinting that the post you responded to was meant to be sarcastic.

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Re: Off Topic - Block iCloud -

2013-04-11 Thread Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA


On 10/04/13 20:11, poma wrote:

Tomato is also BusyBox based, and if it's usable why not.


poma


Yes the Cisco router/Tomato combination works more predictably and the 
logging works, something that DD-WRT never seemed to get right. So far 
I've set up 4 rules and they seem to do what is expected. Time will tell 
if I've got the right addresses controlled.


Thanks to all for the help and encouragement,

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Re: ZDNet Recommends Linux

Am 11.04.2013 20:44, schrieb Suvayu Ali:
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 07:33:14PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
>>
>>
>> Am 11.04.2013 18:27, schrieb Suvayu Ali:
>>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 05:49:25PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
 see above - you responded to "I'm not...  It's an utterly useless machine 
 for
 almost everything that I do" - so you have learned to make your context 
 clear
 in the message you write and not in the message you thought you write
>>>
>>> Sarcasm?
>>
>> what do you want to tell me with this dumb question?
>> read the post i replied the first time in the thread!
> 
> I am hinting that the post you responded to was meant to be sarcastic

sarcasm on mailing lists without smileys or whatever indication
is pretty dumb - there is not "but" and no "if", it is dumb





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Re: ZDNet Recommends Linux

2013-04-11 Thread Joe Zeff


On 04/11/2013 11:55 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:

sarcasm on mailing lists without smileys or whatever indication
is pretty dumb - there is not "but" and no "if", it is dumb


IMAO, if you can't make your intentions clear without smileys, you 
should learn how to express yourself better.  Of course, one of my 
hobbies is writing, and I've completed NaNoWriMo six times.

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Re: ZDNet Recommends Linux



Am 11.04.2013 21:14, schrieb Joe Zeff:
> On 04/11/2013 11:55 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> sarcasm on mailing lists without smileys or whatever indication
>> is pretty dumb - there is not "but" and no "if", it is dumb
> 
> IMAO, if you can't make your intentions clear without smileys, you should 
> learn how to express yourself better.  Of
> course, one of my hobbies is writing, and I've completed NaNoWriMo six times

bullshit in case of a mailing-list with readers all over the world
if you make sarcsam mark it or shut up is the rule in this context



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Re:Disability relief

2013-04-11 Thread Beartooth

On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 20:14:09 -0400, Alan Gagne wrote:

>> >/   I do always set that, yes, as soon as I find it, and it does
>> />/  help; but I have yet to find it in Gnome 3 or xfce4. Anybody know
>> where />/  it lurks?
>> /
>> I have not read this entire thread so maybe I am too late to the game.
>> If you are still looking at how to turn on the bulls-eye around the
>> mouse pointer in gnome 3 it comes with gnome tweak tool.
> Alternatively just use gsettings to turn on in gnome.
> 
> check current setting:
> gsettings get org.gnome.settings-daemon.peripherals.mouse locate-pointer
> 
> Turn on locate-pointer:
> gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.peripherals.mouse locate-pointer
> true
[]
> I have not read this entire thread so maybe I am too late to the game.
> If you are still looking at how to turn on the bulls-eye around the
> mouse pointer in gnome 3 it comes with gnome tweak tool.
[]
I took both your suggestions, and now have a small yellow arrow, 
with blinking bullseyes when I hit CTRL. Vast improvement! Many thanks! 

If it's no too much trouble, is there also a way I can make the 
yellow arrow bigger?

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Re: DSoD : Diagonal Screen of Death

2013-04-11 Thread Beartooth

On Tue, 09 Apr 2013 22:59:36 +0930, Tim wrote:

> Allegedly, on or about 08 April 2013, Beartooth sent:
>> On Fedora 17 and 18 I sometimes get a display like nothing else I know.
>> It's made up of short horizontal lines, some in color, arranged into
>> long diagonals that cover the screen, with about the angle of a
>> backslash. The little lines in each group are parallel, and there's
>> always a little space between every group and the next.
> 
> Sounds like a graphics crash, whether that be a hardware problem, or a
> driver fault.
> 
> The suggestions about cooling have merit, and it *might* be easy enough
> to aim a fan at your card to see if it helps.  If your graphics card has
> its own fan, or cooling fins, it'd pay to check that they're in a good
> condition.
[]
I should have mentioned that this screen arises on at least three 
machines, running F17 fully updated, built for me by two different alpha 
technoids, years apart. 

I suppose it could still be a cooling problem, because I do much 
the same things on two of them; but my spouse uses the third very 
differently. (I have a couple  more F17 machines, but use them less, and 
one currently has an (I think) unrelated problem.)

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Re: Disability relief

2013-04-11 Thread Frank McCormick


On 04/11/2013 04:42 PM, Beartooth wrote:

On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 20:14:09 -0400, Alan Gagne wrote:


/   I do always set that, yes, as soon as I find it, and it does

/>/  help; but I have yet to find it in Gnome 3 or xfce4. Anybody know
where />/  it lurks?
/
I have not read this entire thread so maybe I am too late to the game.
If you are still looking at how to turn on the bulls-eye around the
mouse pointer in gnome 3 it comes with gnome tweak tool.

Alternatively just use gsettings to turn on in gnome.

check current setting:
gsettings get org.gnome.settings-daemon.peripherals.mouse locate-pointer

Turn on locate-pointer:
gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.peripherals.mouse locate-pointer
true

[]

I have not read this entire thread so maybe I am too late to the game.
If you are still looking at how to turn on the bulls-eye around the
mouse pointer in gnome 3 it comes with gnome tweak tool.

[]
I took both your suggestions, and now have a small yellow arrow,
with blinking bullseyes when I hit CTRL. Vast improvement! Many thanks!

If it's no too much trouble, is there also a way I can make the
yellow arrow bigger?



 I sent you this link a week ago.

 http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Big+Arrow?content=155650



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Re: Off Topic - Block iCloud -

2013-04-11 Thread poma

On 11.04.2013 20:45, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:

> Yes the Cisco router/Tomato combination works more predictably and the
> logging works, something that DD-WRT never seemed to get right. So far
> I've set up 4 rules and they seem to do what is expected. Time will tell
> if I've got the right addresses controlled.
> 
> Thanks to all for the help and encouragement,

dd-wrt do has its flies, true. :)
Regarding a sockets, you can use:
"netstat -a(ll) -n(umbers) -t(cp) -u(dp)…"
or simply
"less /proc/net/[ip_conntrack|nf_conntrack]"
if a router provide it via cli(ssh).
Web-GUI counterparts are "http://*router*/Status_Conntrack.asp";(dd-wrt)
and probably "http://*router*/qos-detailed.asp";(tomato)".

Bob, no problemos and good hunting on the "clouds". ;)

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Re: ZDNet Recommends Linux

2013-04-11 Thread poma

On 10.04.2013 17:09, Temlakos wrote:
> Everyone:
> 
> This might seem a little beyond scope to most of you, but:
[…]

Lately half of the off topic threads ends with some sort of a mobile
agenda. :)
Is it really so attractive, or is it just a good job of marketing. :)


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Re: ZDNet Recommends Linux

2013-04-11 Thread David

On 4/11/2013 6:06 PM, poma wrote:
> On 10.04.2013 17:09, Temlakos wrote:
>> Everyone:
>>
>> This might seem a little beyond scope to most of you, but:
> […]
> 
> Lately half of the off topic threads ends with some sort of a mobile
> agenda. :)
> Is it really so attractive, or is it just a good job of marketing. :)



Perhaps a sign of the times?  :-)

And no I could not replace my desktop with a handheld. But... I can do
one heck of a lot more of my 'away from my desk' business with my
smartphone than just make phone calls.

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Re: ZDNet Recommends Linux

2013-04-11 Thread Nik Trevallyn-Jones

Hi Gary,

Just a few thoughts from my own experiences.

I also support a network of WinXP machines (40+, so fewer than yours).
I use FOG ( http://www.fogproject.org/ ) to automate tasks and re-image
the machines, and everything runs quite smoothly.

Some time ago, I tested a Fedora install with VMware Workstation running
our WinXP image for the Windows-only apps (CAD, Sketchp), and it worked
really well;

- the only problem was strong resistance from stubborn users.

You can also run IE on Linux machines under Wine, but I understand that
only 6, 7, and 8 are supported that way (however, it is always possible
to address that on your own machine, so my experience is that you
*could* get IE9 working as well)
Alternatively you could run a VM which contains Windows and IE. See the
following link for more details, including a link for MS-provided VMs:

http://www.rdeeson.com/weblog/126/how-to-run-internet-explorer-7-8-and-9-in-linux-with-or-without-wine.html

If you are happy with Fedora, you can install it and leave it for 12-18
months, and then update when you've found a stable version of the latest
Fedora release. Since you don't want to update all the time (eg every 15
minutes), the fact that the repos of your installed version will
disappear isn't really a major problem.

I have recently installed Stella at 2 other sites. Stella is a desktop
spin of Centos - basically it is to Centos what I understand Mint is to
Ubuntu.
Stella is really simple to install (simpler and quicker than Fedora for
example), and has >90% of what I want already installed - and far less
unwanted stuff.

So far, I am really happy with Stella on the desktop and ClearOS (also
CentOS based) on the servers.
I am gradually adding features to FOG to improve support for linux
machines (both desktop and servers).

The only real-world installation of thin clients that I have seen was in
someone's home (3-5 workstations). They used LTSP, and it has been
working really well.
I am still looking at LTSP myself, but with the ease of management I get
from FOG, I'm not sure I would get much benefit.

My experience with Macs is mixed: many Mac users love them; they are not
too difficult to support; and while the early versions of Safari and
Mail were useless, we just installed Firefox and Thunderbird, and all
was good.

I can't say the same for iPhones. Trying to bend our infrastructure to
work the way iPhones demand is way too much effort. Android phones are
much easier - and that is despite having to install 5 or 6 apps to get
support for all the protocols eg, WebDav, ICS, etc.

Hope this helps,

Cheers!
Nik

On 04/12/2013 12:01 AM, Gary Stainburn wrote:

I still have 70+ users running WinXP and for the moment have no plans to
change them just because support will cease. I'm sure there are others in a
similar situation.

I would love to move all 200+ users to Linux + LibreOffice but I'm stuck with
having to use Internet Explorer 8/9 for the application we use to run our
business. The providers have specifically written the application to work
with IE but even then have to "mend" it for each new release.

Having said that I'm not sure I would use Fedora as the release/update cycle
would be a nightmare to administer for 200+ seats. I would be interested to
hear people's comments on which dist would be better for desktop (non-IT)
users. Centos? Mint?

I do have two Macbooks in the company and I do like the look and feel of them
but to be honest I'm glad I don't have to *use* them. They're not used by
what I could call "business users" tho so I don't know how they would perform
in the real world.

I'm yet to be convinced about thin clients, be they ChromeOS or any of the
other cloud based ones. I would be interested to hear of real world examples
of it working tho.

On Thursday 11 April 2013 14:25:01 Michael Leung wrote:

I am thinking about some linux based opensource tablet os.

On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 8:32 PM, Tim wrote:

On Thu, 2013-04-11 at 16:43 +1000, Michael Leung wrote:

Now is a post-pc era.

I've never been in the major computing rat race, I've always used the
alternatives (never had a C64, used Amiga when Windows became all the
rage, Linux later on, and other things before we had personal computers
that we'd recognise today). There's always been something different.
It's rarely been a competitor on an even footing, but existed for many
years because people did want something different. I don't see that
situation going away. There will always be some alternative, and Linux
needs to stay being an alternative, not a clone of the world's worst
operating system ever foisted upon the public.

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Testing.



Apologies for the noise.  My previous message to this list seems
not to have gone through; wanted to check/test.

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Re: keeping USB disk awake

2013-04-11 Thread Sherman Grunewagon

On Wed, April 10, 2013 at 5:36 PM, poma wrote:
> On 11.04.2013 00:51, Sherman Grunewagon wrote:
> > Thanks. I have now, as well as hdparm -B 255 drive.
> > The disk/docking station still suspends after a few minutes.
> > I'm ready to try recompling the kernel with CONFIG_USB_SUSPEND=n
> > But since
> >
> >    for i in /sys/bus/usb/devices/*/power/autosuspend; do echo -1 > $i; done
> >
> > also has no effect, I think it will be a waste of time.
> >
> > I should mention that this is a freshly updated F18 install.
> > Motherboard is a Sabertooth Z77.
> > The docking station is a StarTech,
> > 
> >
> > and the disk is a SAMSUNG HD103SJ sata drive (1 TB).
> > The motherboard docs don't say anything about USB suspend.
> 
> Spinpoint F3, hah!
> It's up to the USB controller/adapter, not to drive.
> Before the jump, you can call people who actually wrote the code -
> linux-...@vger.kernel.org.

Thanks for the tip.   I'll join the mailing list and ask over there.

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Dell Inspiron 1100 and Intel 82845 video problems

2013-04-11 Thread Kevin Cummings

A week or so ago, I came into this Dell Inspiron 1100 laptop, and I boot
it with the Fedora 17 Live CD.  The system booted, but fell into Gnome 3
Fallback mode.  At least the system runs, so I installed to Hard-Disk.

when it rebooted, I started to have graphics problems.  X either failed
to start, or it presented me a completely black login screen (I'm not
sure which).  Through some finagling, I was able to login on a Console
Terminal, and I got my WiFi dongle working (The ethernet cable had been
also working).  I was then able to run yum for all the updates.  Great!
 Now I have 2 kernels installed:  3.3.4-5 from the live CD and 3.8.4-102
from updates.  Now I *still* can't get a visible graphical login to display.

After some more playing with the /boot/grub2/grub.cfg file, I was able
to make the following changes:

Changed the system font from TRUE to a real font name.
Changed the gfxpayload=keep to 832x624.

Now, when I boot either the 3.3.4 kernel, or the 3.3.4 recovery kernel,
I have a graphical login screen (at 1024x768 resolution).

But, If I try and boot any of the 3.8.4 kernel entries (with the same
changes that work for the 3.3.4 boot), I can see a mouse cursor
(sometimes in a "subset" of the full screen) that seems to work, but no
other visible indication that X is running.

Now, here's the kicker:  If I position the mouse to where my userid
would be listed near the middle of the login screen, click, then wait a
couple of seconds, then type my password, My X11 session starts to
appear.  But, not everything displays perfectly.  There are lot's of
"dropouts" in the menu texts.  For example, there is no visible text on
the XFCE applications pulldown (it should say: Applications).  In
Thunderbird, the top menu bar says:  "F   ", "Ed  ", "V  w", "O_ "
etc   The text in the title bar is OK, as is the text I type in this
compose message window.  But, the Task Manager buttons are also
incomplete (one of them says "T rm-r   @kj3:~").

xrandr lists both the LVDS and the VGA ports at 1024x768, 800x600, &
640x480, and that is running in 1024x768 mode.

Any ideas what's wrong?

I'd prefer to be running the latest kernel over the older LiveCD kernel

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Re: keeping USB disk awake

2013-04-11 Thread Sherman Grunewagon



On Wed, April 10, 2013 at 5:36 PM, poma wrote:
> On 11.04.2013 00:51, Sherman Grunewagon wrote:
> > Thanks. I have now, as well as hdparm -B 255 drive.
> > The disk/docking station still suspends after a few minutes.
> > I'm ready to try recompling the kernel with CONFIG_USB_SUSPEND=n
> > But since
> >
> >    for i in /sys/bus/usb/devices/*/power/autosuspend; do echo -1 > $i; done
> >
> > also has no effect, I think it will be a waste of time.
> >
> > I should mention that this is a freshly updated F18 install.
> > Motherboard is a Sabertooth Z77.
> > The docking station is a StarTech,
> > 
> >
> > and the disk is a SAMSUNG HD103SJ sata drive (1 TB).
> > The motherboard docs don't say anything about USB suspend.
> 
> Spinpoint F3, hah!
> It's up to the USB controller/adapter, not to drive.
> Before the jump, you can call people who actually wrote the code -
> linux-...@vger.kernel.org.

Thanks for the tip.   I'll join that mailing list and ask over there.

Sherman

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Re: ZDNet Recommends Linux

On Thu, 2013-04-11 at 15:01 +0100, Gary Stainburn wrote:
> but I'm stuck with having to use Internet Explorer 8/9 for the
> application we use to run our business.  The providers have
> specifically written the application to work with IE but even then
> have to "mend" it for each new release.

There's your problem... (half sarcastic, half groan).  Whenever someone
writes applications for specific applications, it is going to be very
specific, even down to specific versions.  On the other hand, when they
write, properly, to ratified specifications (HTML, JavaScript, Java,
etc.), it's far more likely to work on all the browsers, and not just
specific versions of them.  But then they won't want to do that, because
they'll want to be re-hired to do the updates, ad infinitum.

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Re: ZDNet Recommends Linux

poma:
>> Lately half of the off topic threads ends with some sort of a mobile
>> agenda. :)
>> Is it really so attractive, or is it just a good job of marketing. :)


David:
> Perhaps a sign of the times?  :-)
> 
> And no I could not replace my desktop with a handheld. But... I can do
> one heck of a lot more of my 'away from my desk' business with my
> smartphone than just make phone calls.

Most of the time that I see someone playing with their $500 smart phone,
it's just a toy, or a music player.  Business users are about the only
ones who actually use it as a tool.

It's all well and good developing Linux for these gadgets, but do that
as a separate thing.  Develop an OS for a portable gadget, FOR those
portable gadgets.  Don't stuff up an OS for a normal computer to be a
poor OS on both.

Touch screen type of interfaces, don't work on non-touch screen devices,
and are a bad interface for desktop or laptops.  And the usual
interfaces that go along with them are appalling for multi-tasking.  The
standing joke that to multitask using an iPad requires using more than
one iPad, isn't far from the truth.  This is not a good design path to
go down.

It's probably time to define the desktop model (as in user interface,
commonly called Windows Managers) better.  If your OS has a desktop
interface, it's for a computer.  Handheld devices need a differently
named interface.

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Re: ZDNet Recommends Linux

2013-04-11 Thread Richard Vickery

On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Nik Trevallyn-Jones <
fed...@babel.homelinux.net> wrote:

> Hi Gary,
>
> Just a few thoughts from my own experiences.
>
> I also support a network of WinXP machines (40+, so fewer than yours).
> I use FOG ( http://www.fogproject.org/ ) to automate tasks and re-image
> the machines, and everything runs quite smoothly.
>
> Some time ago, I tested a Fedora install with VMware Workstation running
> our WinXP image for the Windows-only apps (CAD, Sketchp), and it worked
> really well;
> - the only problem was strong resistance from stubborn users.
>
> You can also run IE on Linux machines under Wine, but I understand that
> only 6, 7, and 8 are supported that way (however, it is always possible to
> address that on your own machine, so my experience is that you *could* get
> IE9 working as well)
> Alternatively you could run a VM which contains Windows and IE. See the
> following link for more details, including a link for MS-provided VMs:
> http://www.rdeeson.com/weblog/**126/how-to-run-internet-**
> explorer-7-8-and-9-in-linux-**with-or-without-wine.html
>
> If you are happy with Fedora, you can install it and leave it for 12-18
> months, and then update when you've found a stable version of the latest
> Fedora release. Since you don't want to update all the time (eg every 15
> minutes), the fact that the repos of your installed version will disappear
> isn't really a major problem.
>
> I have recently installed Stella at 2 other sites. Stella is a desktop
> spin of Centos - basically it is to Centos what I understand Mint is to
> Ubuntu.
> Stella is really simple to install (simpler and quicker than Fedora for
> example), and has >90% of what I want already installed - and far less
> unwanted stuff.
>
> So far, I am really happy with Stella on the desktop and ClearOS (also
> CentOS based) on the servers.
> I am gradually adding features to FOG to improve support for linux
> machines (both desktop and servers).
>
> The only real-world installation of thin clients that I have seen was in
> someone's home (3-5 workstations). They used LTSP, and it has been working
> really well.
> I am still looking at LTSP myself, but with the ease of management I get
> from FOG, I'm not sure I would get much benefit.
>
> My experience with Macs is mixed: many Mac users love them; they are not
> too difficult to support; and while the early versions of Safari and Mail
> were useless, we just installed Firefox and Thunderbird, and all was good.
>
> I can't say the same for iPhones. Trying to bend our infrastructure to
> work the way iPhones demand is way too much effort. Android phones are much
> easier - and that is despite having to install 5 or 6 apps to get support
> for all the protocols eg, WebDav, ICS, etc.
>
> Hope this helps,
>

What ever happened to bottom-posting? This last post reads like it was
written on a computer verses on a Blackberry phone. Could we please stick
to bottom-posting unless on a Blackberry, ? and could those on a Blackberry
please continue to tell us until this company gets the problem fixed? and
if you have an Android, or are on your computers, would you please bottom
post?

Thanks. This would be a tremendous help for those following along.

Richard.

PS  I sent Blackberry a note on this demanding they fix it before I pick up
one of their devices, and perhaps those who own one could politely tell
them to do the same.
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Re: Installing texlive under Fedora 17.


On 04/12/2013 01:12 AM, Mike Williams wrote:



The texlive that comes with fedora 17 is texlive 2007, the version 
from the tug link is texlive 2013.  On my system I used yum to remove 
texlive, then downloaded the .iso from tug, mounted the iso, installed 
from that and it works fine.


OK.  I have managed to download the "iso", mounted it, cd-ed to the 
mount point,
and run ./install-tl.  Turned out I had to sudo the command (which seems 
inconsistent
with the instructions on the TUG web page, but never mind).  I set the 
PATH environment

variable in my .cshrc file, and things seemed to work.

But ***then*** I tried to run latex on a file for a talk that I have to 
give in a week's time,
and all hell broke loose.  The talk makes use of the powerdot class, and 
when I do

latex on it, I get:


! Package hypdestopt Error: This package requires pdfTeX in PDF mode.

See the hypdestopt package documentation for explanation.
Type  H   for immediate help.
 ...

l.55   }\@ehc

But powerdot is incompatible with pdfTeX.

It ***used to*** work!!!  (Why do these things always happen
to ***me***?)

I have attached a file demo.tex to demonstrate the problem.

What do I need to do to get things to work?  (Panic is starting
to set in.)

Thanks for any insight.

cheers,

Rolf Turner
\documentclass[
size=12pt,
paper=screen,
mode=present,
display=slides,
style=fyma,
fleqn
]{powerdot}
%
\title{A Load of Dingos' Kidneys}
\author{Rolf Turner\\
School of Hard Knocks
}
\date{38 Cunnegonda, 54 BC}
%
% End preamble.
\begin{document}
\maketitle
%
\begin{slide}{Introduction}
\begin{itemize}
\item This talk is a load of dingos' kidneys.
\end{itemize}
\end{slide}
%
\end{document}
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Re: Installing texlive under Fedora 17.

2013-04-11 Thread Thomas Waldecker

Hi,

I installed texlive from the install.sh script. It worked after installing
some perl modules which are easily to discover.

The texlive package manager worked better for me than the fedora
repositories. Especially if you are going to use xelatex which I recommend.

Thomas


2013/4/12 Rolf Turner 

> On 04/12/2013 01:12 AM, Mike Williams wrote:
>
> 
>
>
>  The texlive that comes with fedora 17 is texlive 2007, the version from
>> the tug link is texlive 2013.  On my system I used yum to remove texlive,
>> then downloaded the .iso from tug, mounted the iso, installed from that and
>> it works fine.
>>
>
> OK.  I have managed to download the "iso", mounted it, cd-ed to the mount
> point,
> and run ./install-tl.  Turned out I had to sudo the command (which seems
> inconsistent
> with the instructions on the TUG web page, but never mind).  I set the
> PATH environment
> variable in my .cshrc file, and things seemed to work.
>
> But ***then*** I tried to run latex on a file for a talk that I have to
> give in a week's time,
> and all hell broke loose.  The talk makes use of the powerdot class, and
> when I do
> latex on it, I get:
>
>  ! Package hypdestopt Error: This package requires pdfTeX in PDF mode.
>>
>> See the hypdestopt package documentation for explanation.
>> Type  H   for immediate help.
>>  ...
>>
>> l.55   }\@ehc
>>
> But powerdot is incompatible with pdfTeX.
>
> It ***used to*** work!!!  (Why do these things always happen
> to ***me***?)
>
> I have attached a file demo.tex to demonstrate the problem.
>
> What do I need to do to get things to work?  (Panic is starting
> to set in.)
>
> Thanks for any insight.
>
> cheers,
>
> Rolf Turner
>
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Re: ZDNet Recommends Linux

2013-04-11 Thread Joe Zeff


On 04/11/2013 04:55 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:

and could those on a Blackberry please continue to tell us until this
company gets the problem fixed?


I doubt that they consider it a problem.  People in business find top 
posting natural because they're used to reading things in paper files in 
reverse chronological order.

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Re: Installing texlive under Fedora 17.