Re: [techtalk] LaTeX
On Wed, Feb 09, 2000 at 09:08:33AM -0800, Lighthouse Keeper in the
Desert Sun wrote:
Hello Connie,
> What references exist for LaTeX? I have the TeX "gentle introduction" but
> I tried doing it, and it didn't work. (I used the tags they suggested,
> and latex foo.tex gave me about 30 errors.)
\LaTeX{} and \TeX{} are (very?) different. \TeX{} of course was
written by Dr. Knuth, as a setting language for his masterpiece, The
Art of Computer Programming.
So what's \LaTeX{}? \LaTeX{} is a set of various macros, and other
things to make writing \TeX{} documents easier, specifically \LaTeX{}
is used to make articles and books, as well as a few other things.
Things like TeXinfo are other uses of \TeX{} which in this case is
used to write documentation.
> I looked at the man pages and
> the info pages, and so far, the only useful info is buried in the 'info'
> pages. I'm trying to learn it so I can use it for papers for a class I'm
> in (plain old pico isn't quite good enough for something I have to turn in
> for a grade...)
Unfortunately reading the info and man pages to learn \LaTeX{} is like
trying to read them to learn C. The are very terse and technical.
Like one of the other messages said www.tug.org has lots of useful
introductory documents. One of the guy's at my LUG has an
introduction to Word Processing on his website [www.msu.edu/~pfaffben/
(it's near the bottom)] which he discusses various alternatives to
word processing. It's not a good tutorial, but nice reading anyways.
\documentclass{article}
\begin{document}
\LaTeX{} is a cool!!
\end{document}
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Re: [techtalk] LaTeX
On Thu, Feb 10, 2000 at 12:19:05AM -0500, Laurel Fan wrote:
> Excerpts from linuxchix: 9-Feb-100 Re: [techtalk] LaTeX by Dan
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Unfortunately reading the info and man pages to learn \LaTeX{} is like
> > trying to read them to learn C.
>
> Hey, I learned system programming from the manpages...
>
But did you learn the syntax of the language? If so which manpage was
that in?
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Re: [techtalk] KDE license?
On Fri, Feb 11, 2000 at 02:59:29AM +0100, Sunnanvind wrote: > Rik; you mentioned that you knew the KDE license. > Could you or anyone else please explain why the KDE license is not bad? > Including QT etc. First KDE uses the QT toolkit from Troll Tech, and QT is released under the QPL, which is ``open.'' But the main problem is that KDE is released under the GPL, which isn't bad. The GPL has clauses which try to guarentee that GPLed code is not ``hijacked,'' and closed up. So to do that GPL code can only be linked against GPL or LGPL code (or others). There are ways around this, for example the QT gui plugin for licq is released under the GPL. But this is not a problem because the author of the QT gui has given permission to link his code against QT. However the KDE authors have not done the same with KDE. Another problem is that KDE is larger project than licq, and many people donate code to KDE which means that those authors too must give permission. This recently reerrupted on the Debian-Devel mailing list a few weeks back, check http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2000/4/ for more info on the subject. -- Dan Nguyen | It is with true love as it is with ghosts; [EMAIL PROTECTED] | everyone talks of it, but few have seen it. [EMAIL PROTECTED]| -Maxime De La Rochefoucauld 25 2F 99 19 6C C9 19 D6 1B 9F F1 E0 E9 10 4C 16 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] /dev/dsp problem
On Sat, Feb 12, 2000 at 02:10:17PM -0600, JLG wrote: > > After rebuilding kernel( 2.2.1) & MAKEDEV'ing audio i was > a psyched girl when cd's played fine. After confirming that a > standard audio cd worked, I > popped in a CDR with some MP3's on it-fired up mpg123 and got the > following message: > Can't open /dev/dsp! Either you don't have permissions to write to /dev/dsp, or you don't have sound installed properly. > > I also tried 'saytime', which is just supposed to recite the time aloud > and got the following message: > opening /dev/audio: Operation not supported by device The way I like to test is to cat an au file to /dev/audio. If your sound is configured correctly it will work. > I tried both as root and with a regular user account with no > success. This means that your sound is not configured properly > I am sure there is something i am overlooking that must be a 'Debian > thing'. Unfortunately there seems to be a problem with the CGI that > searches their mailing list arc's and sound-howto was no help. Not a Debian thing, most likely how you configure your kernel. > If anyone has any suggestions, I'd appreciate it. Let > me know if there is any additional information i can provide. Oh some more info that might help diagnose the problem. 1. Type of soundcard 2. Was the sound driver built as a module or part of the kernel 3. Are you sure the configuration is correct a. If it's part of the kernel, that was done during configuring b. If it's a module, it's a option to sent to the module 4. Check your syslog for error messages about char-major-14 5. Do you have the kernel module autoloader (kmod for 2.2.x)? a. If not then you have to load the module yourself The following is my config in modules.conf for my sb16 alias char-major-14 sb options sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1 dma16=5 mpu_io=0x330 options sound dmabuf=1 P.S. http://www.alsa-project.com -- Dan Nguyen | It is with true love as it is with ghosts; [EMAIL PROTECTED] | everyone talks of it, but few have seen it. [EMAIL PROTECTED]| -Maxime De La Rochefoucauld 25 2F 99 19 6C C9 19 D6 1B 9F F1 E0 E9 10 4C 16 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] /dev/dsp problem
On Sun, Feb 13, 2000 at 01:48:22PM -0600, JLG wrote: > > > Thanks to everyone for the advice, looks like I have to set some time > aside and try to figure out what I did wrong. > > On Sun, 13 Feb 2000, Dan Nguyen & a few other wonderful people wrote: > > > Either you don't have permissions to write to /dev/dsp, or you don't > > have sound installed properly. > > now i know it's the latter > > ..putting this off until after many projects/exams are over with next > week! > Just don't give up. And good luck on your projects and exams :) -- Dan Nguyen | It is with true love as it is with ghosts; [EMAIL PROTECTED] | everyone talks of it, but few have seen it. [EMAIL PROTECTED]| -Maxime De La Rochefoucauld 25 2F 99 19 6C C9 19 D6 1B 9F F1 E0 E9 10 4C 16 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] Forgotten root password
On Mon, Feb 28, 2000 at 12:18:25PM -0500, Caitlyn Martin wrote: Caitlyn, > Boot up in single-user mode. To do this, at the LILO prompt, type: > > linux single > > >From there you should be able to fix this "little" problem. > That's not always necessarily true. On RH systems single user mode drops the system into a shell. However on more ``secure'' systems it run sulogin, which requires the root password to be able to get to a shell. The more generic solution, like everyone else has said is linux init=/bin/sh -- Dan Nguyen | It is with true love as it is with ghosts; [EMAIL PROTECTED] | everyone talks of it, but few have seen it. [EMAIL PROTECTED]| -Maxime De La Rochefoucauld 25 2F 99 19 6C C9 19 D6 1B 9F F1 E0 E9 10 4C 16 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] ICU troubles
Your missing some more devel stuff. As you see below your missing gnome-config and well without it your program wn't know where to find the panel-applet-devel stuff. I'm not sure which rpm they would be available in :( On Fri, Feb 18, 2000 at 09:16:12AM -0800, Lighthouse Keeper in the Desert Sun wrote: > On Feb 18, Lighthouse Keeper in the Desert Sun conjectured: > > > Okay. So discovering that it needed the devel libraries to install was > > one thing. I got all the files, and installed them. So I told gnomeicu > > to ./configure, and it gave me this error again: > > checking for gnome-config... no > > checking for gnomeConf.sh file in /usr/local/lib... not found > > configure: error: Could not find the gnomeConf.sh file that is generated > > by gnome-libs install > > > Well, I solved that, but found a new poblem: it isn't make-ing right. Or > something. This is the error I get in make: > In file included from common.h:509, > from applet.c:8: > applet.h:5: applet-widget.h: No such file or directory > applet.c:13: applet-widget.h: No such file or directory > make[3]: *** [applet.o] Error 1 > make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/conni/gnomeicu-0.90b/src' > make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/conni/gnomeicu-0.90b/src' > make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/conni/gnomeicu-0.90b' > make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2 > > Any ideas? I'm confused. Also, typing gnomeicu doesn't run the program. > This could be because it isn't installed (right), but I don't know. -- Dan Nguyen | It is with true love as it is with ghosts; [EMAIL PROTECTED] | everyone talks of it, but few have seen it. [EMAIL PROTECTED]| -Maxime De La Rochefoucauld 25 2F 99 19 6C C9 19 D6 1B 9F F1 E0 E9 10 4C 16 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] ICU troubles
On Fri, Feb 18, 2000 at 10:59:17AM -0800, Lighthouse Keeper in the Desert Sun wrote: > On Feb 18, Dan Nguyen conjectured: > > > Your missing some more devel stuff. As you see below your missing > > gnome-config and well without it your program wn't know where to find > > the panel-applet-devel stuff. I'm not sure which rpm they would be > > available in :( > > Hmm. I do have the gnome-config stuff. (I remembered to install it. I > was so worried about getting the other libraries that I forgot where I > moved the rpm for gnome-devel and forgot to install it. heh.) But > anyway. There were no other failed dependency errors that I saw. > According to te INSTALL file, I now have everything necessary to get it to > work. (And I mean it this time.) THey are: It's apparently not finding it. Remember to delete the config.cache file when you rerun ./configure otherwise it may not recheck for things. > Maybe I need gnome-core-devel. THat is the only one it wants... (This is > a big pain in my arse, you know? My modem freezes and stalls a lot after > a couple hundred K, and I'm using a 28K dialup. *sigh* Living out of > range for decent DSL and not having any other high-speed options > sucks.) Unless you _really_ want gnome support, (i.e. a panel app which has your status and number of messages) you can probably disable it. The exact flag for ./configure can be found by doing a ./configure --help and reading all the options. > > So, why do programs need development libraries sometimes? The reason I > don't usually bother to get devel-libraries is because I'm not a > developer. I'm not a programmer, I don't know any programming languages > (though I'm working on larning my 3rd natural human language). But then I > try to install a new program that needs them. I don't get it. Most libraries are split up into two parts run-time and development. The run-time is required to run the program. But to save on space the devel stuff is usually placed in it's own package. The devel stuff usually includes the header files for the library, and things like a config program like gtk-config, gnome-config, etc., as well as debug versions of libraries. You only need the devel libraries if you are building them yourself. -- Dan Nguyen | It is with true love as it is with ghosts; [EMAIL PROTECTED] | everyone talks of it, but few have seen it. [EMAIL PROTECTED]| -Maxime De La Rochefoucauld 25 2F 99 19 6C C9 19 D6 1B 9F F1 E0 E9 10 4C 16 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] ICU troubles
On Fri, Feb 18, 2000 at 07:17:31PM -0600, Robert Kiesling wrote: > > Telsa Gwynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I'm told that less bandwidth is not actually the major reason for > > the package/package-devel split: it's much more for the people who > > simply won't ever want or need to build new things and will only > > be getting the occasional (binary) RPM when security updates come > > out (if that, ahem). They just don't need any of the devel stuff. > > I think the main reason is to keep the stable code in a separate > package from the development code. Having two separate versions > makes maintenance much easier. I think your mistaken about "develepment" code. Lets say you have package libfoo. This package will only include dynamic libraries. And minimal documentation. The package libfoo-dev or libfoo-devel is not the unstable development code, but rather the files required to build the programs which depend on it. Generally both the package and devel package are created at the same time, it's just the files which would be normally installed via `make install` is split up between multiple rpms or debs > > I don't know whether the other RPM-using distributions make this > > distinction between package and package-devel. But it is really really > > useful, both for small machines where you are not going to build and > > you have disk issues; and for crappy connections where you're paying > > per minute. > > I'm not a Red Hat fan, so I couldn't say. Caldera seems to be > mostly compatible. I could probably install a developer's > version with no trouble. Debian Gnu/Linux also uses the > stable/devel split. Debian GNU/Linux's stable/unstable split is not the same as the library split. The stable/unstable is to make sure there is a version of the distribution which is known to work well. -- Dan Nguyen | It is with true love as it is with ghosts; [EMAIL PROTECTED] | everyone talks of it, but few have seen it. [EMAIL PROTECTED]| -Maxime De La Rochefoucauld 25 2F 99 19 6C C9 19 D6 1B 9F F1 E0 E9 10 4C 16 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] Differences between linux distributions
On Sat, Feb 19, 2000 at 09:39:20PM -0500, Tania M. Morell wrote: > I've used Berkeley unix and SunOS for years at my university but not > linux. I use Mandrake at work and RedHat intermittently at home but I've > yet to understand the differences between them.. Maybe I haven't used > them long enough to figure it out, or maybe I'm stupid. One reason you have seen little difference between Mandrake and RH is because Mandrake was orginally based on RH. Mandrake 7 is much more different than RH, noticably it's install. -- Dan Nguyen | It is with true love as it is with ghosts; [EMAIL PROTECTED] | everyone talks of it, but few have seen it. [EMAIL PROTECTED]| -Maxime De La Rochefoucauld 25 2F 99 19 6C C9 19 D6 1B 9F F1 E0 E9 10 4C 16 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] Installing Tarballs
On Sun, Feb 20, 2000 at 07:14:22PM -0800, GJS wrote: > I was trying to install a tarball and got this message: > > Checking host system type...Configure: error: can not guess host > type; you must specify one. > > What does this mean and how do I fix it? > /me dons magic psychic hat of power /me enters a deep transe It seems like you've done something wrong, perhaps you didn't read the documentation. Anyways, you haven't provided enough information. Simply saying it doesn't work won't help allow anyone to be able to help you. For example, you need to tell use what your trying to install. What command you've done. And please make sure you read the installation documentation if it exists. If you are still having problems please provide the relavent information, and everyone will try and help. -- Dan Nguyen | It is with true love as it is with ghosts; [EMAIL PROTECTED] | everyone talks of it, but few have seen it. [EMAIL PROTECTED]| -Maxime De La Rochefoucauld 25 2F 99 19 6C C9 19 D6 1B 9F F1 E0 E9 10 4C 16 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] Differences between linux distributions
On Sun, Feb 20, 2000 at 10:47:24PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hey All, > Slackware was around before redhat, it's just got a lot less publicity > nowadays. > I've been very disappointed in Slackware, lately. Originally for not support glibc2, and then for their silly version jump from 4.0 to 7.0. -- Dan Nguyen | It is with true love as it is with ghosts; [EMAIL PROTECTED] | everyone talks of it, but few have seen it. [EMAIL PROTECTED]| -Maxime De La Rochefoucauld 25 2F 99 19 6C C9 19 D6 1B 9F F1 E0 E9 10 4C 16 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] Differences between linux distributions
On Mon, Feb 21, 2000 at 07:15:16PM +1300, Jamie Walker wrote: > As for the version jump - by all accounts after too many questions about > "When are you going to upgrade to Linux 6.0 like Redhat have?" he > decided to join the party with inflated version numbers, just like many > of the others have. (ie, RH's first version was v3 if I remember > correctly). > I understand why the jump happened, but (RH users please do not take offense) Slackware should not degrade itself. No matter how much people don't realize it but most major linux distros are very political. Some distros are just too commercial, all power to them. But I saw the Slack jump as them abandoning their principles, and embracing itself with the dark side. Wouldn't it be better to explain to the newbie that Linux is only at version 2.3.x and what a distribution is and that RH != Linux. -- Dan Nguyen | It is with true love as it is with ghosts; [EMAIL PROTECTED] | everyone talks of it, but few have seen it. [EMAIL PROTECTED]| -Maxime De La Rochefoucauld 25 2F 99 19 6C C9 19 D6 1B 9F F1 E0 E9 10 4C 16 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] Installing Tarballs
On Mon, Feb 21, 2000 at 04:43:26AM -0500, Laurel Fan wrote: > Excerpts from linuxchix: 21-Feb-100 Re: [techtalk] Installing T.. by > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > The package is graphics program called Dia > > (http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia/) .The problem occurs soon > > after I enter ./configure. > > Ok, this works fine for me on a couple of systems, so the problem is > probably on your side. You can make sure by trying to compile something > else, but that'll probably give the same error. > hmmm Dia. I compiled it on Solaris a few weeks ago. ./configure worked there Probably some wierd configuration on her system. -- Dan Nguyen | It is with true love as it is with ghosts; [EMAIL PROTECTED] | everyone talks of it, but few have seen it. [EMAIL PROTECTED]| -Maxime De La Rochefoucauld 25 2F 99 19 6C C9 19 D6 1B 9F F1 E0 E9 10 4C 16 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] Differences between linux distributions
On Mon, Feb 21, 2000 at 10:13:05PM +1100, Claudine Chionh wrote: > Some time in the past, Telsa Gwynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> scripsit, > > > I thought the Slackware version jump was > > done for an excellent reason: I too heard the "Because I'm fed up > > of being asked why Slackware is behind!" story :) > > But I haven't seen the same question being asked about Debian (hi Dan!) -- > is it just because we Debian stalwarts, with our talk of GNU/Linux and > political tirades about open source vs free software, are seen as just too > weird for the average Linux crowd? Debian has standards... Hmm.. Lets see Debian really hasn't had that many versions released... There's 1.3 (bo), then 2.0 (hamm), 2.1 (slink) and now 2.2 (potato). Most people don't even call them by their version numbers, but rather their codename. Part of that is most developers have a system running the latest and greatest unstable, and well we enjoy debates on if it's potato or potato. Anyways _IF_ woody was announced to be release as version 8.0 or something, there would be endless flame wars about it going on Debian-devel... (would make this list seem small in comparison). I don't know why Debian hasn't had pressure to change, probably because we are all stalwarts. > now running Woody (Deb 2.3) on my two little boxes Woody's not necessarily going to be 2.3. Diclaimer: This email may or may not represent me or debian, so if you plan on flaming me, be kind. If you plan on using this in some debian related story, please don't. -- Dan Nguyen | It is with true love as it is with ghosts; [EMAIL PROTECTED] | everyone talks of it, but few have seen it. [EMAIL PROTECTED]| -Maxime De La Rochefoucauld 25 2F 99 19 6C C9 19 D6 1B 9F F1 E0 E9 10 4C 16 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] Differences between linux distributions
On Mon, Feb 21, 2000 at 10:29:33PM -0500, Beverly Guillermo wrote: > The thing is that you can configure your system to have the "standardized" > installation or not. If it's not a system program, I generally place new > programs in /usr/local ... I think it's a matter of personal choice. =) > The "standard" way of doing it is to have the distribution install everything in /usr, while leaving it up to the user to install stuff in /usr/local I really don't like /usr/local, infact I don't have any programs installed there. I tend to use /opt/, that way a quick rm -rf /opt/ will delete all trace of it. If it really is deserving to be installed on my system... it get's packaged, that way I can uninstall it when I get bored of it... -- Dan Nguyen | It is with true love as it is with ghosts; [EMAIL PROTECTED] | everyone talks of it, but few have seen it. [EMAIL PROTECTED]| -Maxime De La Rochefoucauld 25 2F 99 19 6C C9 19 D6 1B 9F F1 E0 E9 10 4C 16 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] Differences between linux distributions
On Tue, Feb 22, 2000 at 07:54:05AM -0500, Beverly Guillermo wrote: > On Mon, 21 Feb 2000, Dan Nguyen wrote: > > > The "standard" way of doing it is to have the distribution install > > everything in /usr, while leaving it up to the user to install stuff > > in /usr/local > > I believe there is a way to change the installation directory using a RPM > option, is there not? Evul RPM > If not, you could always download the rpm-source file rather then > a regular rpm file and rebuild it so it does go to any directory you > want. I don't use RPMs... or SRPMs > > I really don't like /usr/local, infact I don't have any programs > > installed there. I tend to use /opt/, that way a quick rm > > -rf /opt/ will delete all trace of it. If it really is > > deserving to be installed on my system... it get's packaged, that way > > I can uninstall it when I get bored of it... > > I've never installed in the /opt directory. What about configuration > files, how does that put into effect for /opt? Most of the configuration > under /usr/local go into /usr/local/etc . Each package has a /opt//etc etc -- Dan Nguyen | It is with true love as it is with ghosts; [EMAIL PROTECTED] | everyone talks of it, but few have seen it. [EMAIL PROTECTED]| -Maxime De La Rochefoucauld 25 2F 99 19 6C C9 19 D6 1B 9F F1 E0 E9 10 4C 16 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] Telnet banner for SSHD
On Thu, Feb 24, 2000 at 01:18:45PM -0500, Subba Rao wrote: > > I am using Open SSH on my system. Is there anyway to prevent the > SSHD from revealing the process name or version number? > sure hack the source ;) -- Dan Nguyen | It is with true love as it is with ghosts; [EMAIL PROTECTED] | everyone talks of it, but few have seen it. [EMAIL PROTECTED]| -Maxime De La Rochefoucauld 25 2F 99 19 6C C9 19 D6 1B 9F F1 E0 E9 10 4C 16 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] Shell Scripts
On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 08:16:08PM -0400, Lisa Dickson wrote: > Trying to learn more about shell scripts. Examples would be of great > benefit as would site recommendations. Any tips are appreciated. > Here's a presentation given by one of the member at the local lug. http://www.msu.edu/~pfaffben/shell/shell.pdf -- Dan Nguyen | C [EMAIL PROTECTED] | CC [EMAIL PROTECTED]| CCC 25 2F 99 19 6C C9 19 D6 1B 9F F1 E0 E9 10 4C 16 ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Perl for idiots?
The books to get are "Learning Perl" and "Programming Perl" from O'Reilly. THere are several others... but Learning is a good book to learn from. And Programming... well everyone has the *Camel Book*. On Fri, Apr 07, 2000 at 04:54:11PM -0400, Lori wrote: > Hi all, > > Sorry that I'm sure this has been asked before, but... > > I am almost finished w/ a first semester Java class, and have kicked around > some ASP and JavaScript. I've never done anything w/ C or C++ yet, wont have > that in school 'til the fall. But I have been offered a job where they'll want > me to learn Perl and I am wondering, should I do this? > > I have heard that Perl is hard, and I don't know where to begin if I don't > know any C yet. It's great, challenging, geek sex-appeal for my motivation, but > I don't want to take a job and fall on my face only because I am too new right > now to programming. I have been meaning to learn about reg. expressions but > never got around to, I think that is something else I will need. > > Can anyone recommend me Perl books, etc. for newbies (that do *not* use C/C++ > as a reference for explaining it) or just tell me to start w/ something easier > instead. > > Thanks, > Lori > > > _______ > techtalk mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk -- Dan Nguyen | It is with true love as it is with ghosts; [EMAIL PROTECTED] | everyone talks of it, but few have seen it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -Maxime De La Rochefoucauld ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Perl help sources
On Mon, Apr 24, 2000 at 11:08:17PM -0400, Lori wrote: > I am that newbie who posted a couple weeks back about taking a > programming job w/ Perl, and no experience in it. You ppl had great > suggestions about Perl books, I got the O'Reilly Learning Perl and > Lemay's Perl in 21 days (I'm on day 5) The Learning Perl book is a really great book, however it only touches the surface of what most Perl scripts use. And well... my opinion of /$language in 21 (days|hours)/ isn't very high. > Well, I took the job and today was my first day - yay :D I've already been > given a Perl task, and needless to say I have barely deciphered what the > script-to-be-fixed does yet. Maintaining Perl code isn't much fun no matter how much Perl you know. > > So, I'm back to ask what are the best bets for lists, newsgroups, > forums, etc. where the clueless-with-deadline type newbie is most > likely to find help. I have read about group, etc. stuff on > perl.com, but I'm asking for anyones opinions based on my current > situation. I'd point you to news:comp.lang.perl.misc however they aren't the most newbie friendly group. You could check for a local Perl Mongers group. -- Dan Nguyen | It is with true love as it is with ghosts; [EMAIL PROTECTED] | everyone talks of it, but few have seen it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -Maxime De La Rochefoucauld ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Install Problem
> I'm trying to install Redhat 6.2 on a Dell XPS T750R. It is running > a Pentium III at 750mhz, 128 meg of ram, 40 Gig hard drive (with an > ATA66 controller card), and Windows 98SE. > > Each time, when I reach the point where Disk Druid would set up my > partitions, I receive an error message telling me that the program > can't find a valid filesystem. > > Is this related to the size of the drive? If so, how can I correct > the problem? > Your problem is probably the ATA66 controller card. If your hard drive is connected to the controller card, rather than an IDE channel, most Linux installations will not be able to see it. Is your controller card even supported? Do you know if there are patches available? I do know that Mandrake 7.1 beta install supports it. And Debian may have boot floppies which will detect your card as well. -- Dan Nguyen | It is with true love as it is with ghosts; [EMAIL PROTECTED] | everyone talks of it, but few have seen it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -Maxime De La Rochefoucauld ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Major device numbers
On Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 12:07:17PM +0200, Britta Koch wrote: > Hi! > > I'm trying to create the loobback device, but don't know what major > device number to give it. Any pointers to doc on it? There's nothing in > the ls or mknod manpage, I'm afraid, neither does any HOWTO on my system > sound like it has anything. > Standard devices type/major/minor numbers can be found in /usr/src/linux/Documentation/devices.txt (assuming your kernel source tree is in /usr/src/linux) -- Dan Nguyen | It is with true love as it is with ghosts; [EMAIL PROTECTED] | everyone talks of it, but few have seen it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -Maxime De La Rochefoucauld ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Debian woes
On Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 12:02:50AM -0400, Kath wrote:
> I have a Debian box here running wu-ftpd and telnetd. For some
> reason, it refuses to allow my Windows box to access those services
> (upload, download, access). However my Mandrake box is able to
> connect and upload/download/access to it.
Can you get to other services? telnetd is a inetd service and wu-ftpd
can be run via inetd. You should check /etc/hosts.deny to see if
tcp_wrappers will be dropping your connection. Other tahn that it is
difficult to diagnose your problem without further information.
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Re: [techtalk] A Postscript question
On Thu, Jul 13, 2000 at 02:19:34PM -0400, Amanda Owens wrote:
> I have a photo that started out as a jpg or gif or something, but has been
> turned (via gimp or xv) into a .ps file. What my boss wants me to do is
> now edit that postscript file, and insert some lines and text. Is it
> possible? If so, how?
>
I'm sure it's possible to do it the way you described, but it's not
the easiest way. Using \LaTeX{} (usually spelled LaTeX), it would be
possible to create another PostScript file with the text and embed the
image into that.
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Re: [techtalk] *nix comparisons?
On Sun, Jul 16, 2000 at 11:53:49PM -0700, curious wrote: > members of the debian family are "at the core" based on debian... ie the > libraries and rc scripts will typicaly be the same and in the same > places.. this typicaly means that packages between distributions > can be used interchangeably..further debian maintains very strict > adhearance to the standard FSH, file system heirarchy.. which means ALL > your system config will be somewhere under etc.. ALL your logs will be > somewhere under var/log and so forth thus is quite diffrent the redhat > line which occasionaly vears off to do it's own thing.. Package interchangeability only really exists between the same Debian version release. So packages from the Slink based Storm and Corel distributions will work with Debian Slink. The biggest thing to remeber is that the package dependencies are there for a reason. Installing packages from Debian Potato will most likely give a long lists of unmet depencencies, and some internal Debian configurations change severely between Debian releases. Debian's centralized distribution of their packages also eliminates the sometimes ad hoc style of RPMs, and searching for packages. RPMFind really helps, but it's still not as eligant as apt-get for Debian. -- Dan Nguyen | It is with true love as it is with ghosts; [EMAIL PROTECTED] | everyone talks of it, but few have seen it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -Maxime De La Rochefoucauld ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] *nix comparisons?
On Mon, Jul 17, 2000 at 12:40:03AM -0700, curious wrote:
> which reminds me of my debian peeve :) the delay between Official releases
> is quite irks some (clearly nessary for debian to maintain it's
> distribution quality)... I've been trying to find a "debian subscription"
> so that I could have the latest debian-frozen on cd sent every so often so
> I don't have to wait forever to for a potato download when installing a
> new debian system.. (I run frozen and unstable on various systems with no
> issues other then an occasional apt complain {usualy from emacs})
Debian is much ahead of it's time. An ideal Debian user, running any
Debian system would do updates to their system and regular intervals,
since there are security fixes to even slink. But the long time
between releases is a problem for people not used to how Debian
works. Although it's name is "unstable" it's actually quite stable.
Though you should be fore warend that things are going to break. And
you will have to go through and fix problems when they occur. Things
like the great Perl upgrade of a year ago. Where hundred of packages
were broken.
Atleast Debian number their releases in a sane manner. A minor Debian
version number 2.1 for Slink, and 2.2 for Potato often includes more
than just newer packages. Things like debconf might get a whole
version number out of other distributions.
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Re: [techtalk] Debugger help needed
On Mon, Jul 17, 2000 at 03:18:24PM -0700, Lynn Kuhlman wrote: > How do you print out the contents of an array in the debugger? I tried p > array name, p @array name, p array name[0]. > > Can you assign this statement? > > @ARRAY = $string Do you mean, you want the elements in the array to be the characters in the string? If so: @array = split '', $string; Otherweise $array[0] = $string; will assign the first element of @array to $string -- Dan Nguyen | It is with true love as it is with ghosts; [EMAIL PROTECTED] | everyone talks of it, but few have seen it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -Maxime De La Rochefoucauld ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] KDE / OpenSource
Hi Caitlyn, On Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 04:59:13PM -0400, Caitlyn M. Martin wrote: > > KDE is NOT free software! GNOME/HELIX IS! > > I completely disagree. So does ESR, for that matter. KDE does meet the > Open Source definition, and I happen to accept ESR's opinion on it. Free is a terrible word to use, even if you condiser Gnome free, another person may not. My own personal definition of free only apply to code which is in the public domain. The GPL puts great restrictions on use of the code, this is so proprietary software cannot use the GPL code in their own software. Some people feel that this is a necessary protection to their code. > Now, if you are saying the LGPL is not "Free" as defined by Richard > Sta1lman, then perhaps you are correct. The fact that I often disagree with > his point of view may have something to do with how I am willing to define > what software is commercial and what is free/Open Source. The LGPL was created because the GPL is so restrictive, and if you consider the GPL "free" than surely you must consider the LGPL (Lesser GPL) less "free". Infact by my measuring stick, the LGPL gives you more freedom. > I have played with Gnome repeatedly. I am still left feeling that it is > bloated, somewhat buggy, and generally not impressive when compared with > KDE, but that is *my* opinion. Make sure to try Gnome 1.2, (use sawfish not E) if you have not already. However when comparing Gnome and KDE, they are very diffrent. My opinion about both products that they are bloated, and designed to hold a newbie's hand. Gnome does less of this, than KDE. I really feel that if anyone is serious about learning how to use Linux should avoid both desktop enviroment, and learn how to use the CLI more effectively. I haven't used KDE very much, infact the only QT application I have installed is Licq, whisch isn't even a KDE application. So I will stick to critiqueing Gnome. I've used Gnome on and off for about a year. Gnome's stability has much improved, most core applications are stable, though a large number of Gnome applications aren't. Their file browser, gmc, is very bloated and is barely usable. My preference is to have several xterms (actually Eterm) and work from there. > Please, though, do not presume to tell me what is and is not free. I have > yet to pay for KDE, I may distribute it as I see fit, I may modify it, and > so long as I don't use the code to create a closed/commercial product, I may > distribute my modifications as well. That's free enough for me. A large majority of people decide on if a product is free on how much money they spend on it. If that is the case, some products are free and still not open-sourced. Internet Explorer comes to mind there. But is KDE "free"? It's definately open-sourced, and it's definately doesn't require any payment to use. To most users that is enough. Most people don't see what the problem is with KDE, neither do the KDE developers. The problem is Debian's intreptation of the GPL. KDE2 (KDE1 is a different story) is released under the GPL. However KDE2 requires liking against QT2 released under the QPL. The GPL prohibits ditributing softawre that is linke to non-GPL libraries, unless they are system libraries. Debian does not consider the QT libraries to be system libraries. It is Debian's opinion that they and everyone else cannot legally distribute KDE. But in the end it's up to you to decide. -- Dan Nguyen | It is with true love as it is with ghosts; [EMAIL PROTECTED] | everyone talks of it, but few have seent it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] |-Maxime De La Rochefoucauld ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] KDE / OpenSource
Hello Caitlyn (again :) On Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 10:13:23PM -0400, Caitlyn M. Martin wrote: > In order to sell to this client, I had to make Linux > non-threatening, which I sucessfully did. So... the solution? > Caldera OpenLinux eDesktop 2.4 and KDE/kwm. I realize that combo > makes some purists nauseous, but for weaning people from Windows, > there is nothing better. Once they decide that Linux is OK, then > it's time to move them further. They have to crawl before they > walk. I understand, but I'm from the "throw the little kid into the pool" if they sink jump in and rescue them, if the float great. :) > I can't quite agree. While I find the CLI more efficient for some > things, there are pretty much good graphical tools for everything. > The thing is, to use them well, you still need an understanding of > how it all works. Let's say I'm running Caldera, and using COAS, > for example, and I am unloading unnecessary daemons from the kernel. > I still have to understand what those daemons are and what they do, > don't I? Many people will simply leave unnecessary daemons running because they simply don't know what it does. Stopping apache is much safer than stopping xfs. If you don't know what they do, you might not want to stop them to avoid breaking your system. > GUIs aren't evil, and they let the folks who are only interested in > application level stuff do their work. Let's face it, most of the work that > makes most non-high tech businesses go is done by folks in operations, > sales, customer service, the warehouse, and so on. To them the computer is > just a tool, and they really don't want to know how it works, only how to > make it do their job for them. GUIs aren't evil, I do more work in a gui than in the console, but most of my work, other than netscape, and icq are done in a little small secton of the screen... > There are some apps which are worth ignoring, and some which are > simply brilliant. My favorite so far is the mail client in KDE2. > KMail is finally making me stop longing for a post of PMMail. > Konqueror looks nice if they can get it to work properly, which so > far it doesn't. The frames support is pretty broken, for example. > KIllustrator is quite nice, and the whole KOffice suite looks really > promising. Gnome 2.0 will have Evolution, the Outlook clone. But I have a working mail reader. Mutt, which is highly configurable curses (or slang) based mail reader. Using procmail, I sort my mail into directories, and from there it can thread the emails as if they were news messages. Quiet nice. > > Their file browser, gmc, is very bloated and is > > barely usable. > > Agreed. Again, KFM is pretty nice. Nautalis for Gnome 2.0 will replace gmc, with an "explorer" like file manager > > My preference is to have several xterms (actually > > Eterm) and work from there. > > Eterm is eye candy, especially if you load the backgrounds, but I > have to admit that it works well. I do like it. I have no problem with eye candy :) > Thank you for the clarification. The fact is, the KDE people and > TrollTech both say it's fine to distribute it. Maybe they need to > fine-tune their license, but really, it's their call what to do with > their product, isn't it? If they did see a problem they will fix it. However because KDE contains a lot of outside code who's author believe would be released under the GPL, it is difficult for KDE to change their license without contacting everyone. Debian uses the DFSG (Debian Free Software Guidelines) as their criteria, qt1 did not meet this guideline, but however are in the Debian non-free archive. Most people don't realize that qt2 does meet the DFSG and will be released on Potato's Official Debian CDs. Licq which is also a gpl application which uses qt2 is included. The Licq authors were willing to give written permission to allow linking their GPL code to the non-compatible QPL QT2. It's up to KDE on wether they would like their code to be shipped with Debian in the future. > I guess what set me off was someone with a gnu.org address throwing out a > gratuitous "Gnome is better/more free than KDE" post without a single > explanation. That's like an obnoxious geek version of "My Pop is better > than your Pop". We're adults here, aren't we? I would hope we are all adults, but sometimes I seriously doubt it. -- Dan Nguyen | It is with true love as it is with ghosts; [EMAIL PROTECTED] | everyone talks of it, but few have seent it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] |-Maxime De La Rochefoucauld ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] KDE / OpenSource
On Thu, Aug 03, 2000 at 10:41:13PM -0400, Caitlyn M. Martin wrote: > > Gnome 2.0 will have Evolution, the Outlook clone. > > I *hate* Outlook, so that isn't likely to sell me on Gnome :) I > loved PMMail, so having something that functions a *lot* like that > does helps sell me on KDE2 :) The whole Gnome vs. KDE war, licensing > aside, will eventually devolve to little more than personal > preference. There are very talented coders in both teams producing > ever nicer code. I don't like Outlook either, but Evolution is pushing some new technology Gnome technology. > > But I have a working mail reader. Mutt, which is highly > > configurable curses (or slang) based mail reader. Using procmail, > > I sort my mail into directories, and from there it can thread the > > emails as if they were news messages. Quiet nice. > > Yep, but kmail does all of that, and it's got a nice, graphical > front end. To me, that makes it nicer. My mail account has IMAP access, no POP3. However since during the day I may be logged into 5 different machines, I need to have my mail in one location. I simply login and read the mail from the mail spool. As text clients go it's among the best. I can have special hooks based on regular expressions, so I can appear to have another email address when replying to you for example, my sig can be specially tailored, FCC the mail to a special directory... etc. > > I have no problem with eye candy :) > > Nor do I, until it starts to hamper performance. Try running E on > my five year old notebook (P90, 40 MB RAM) and see what I mean :) Uh no. :) -- Dan Nguyen | It is with true love as it is with ghosts; [EMAIL PROTECTED] | everyone talks of it, but few have seent it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] |-Maxime De La Rochefoucauld ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] BASH command return value
On Fri, Aug 04, 2000 at 11:34:07AM -0400, Subba Rao wrote: > > PS1='($?)\u@\h:\w =>' > PS1='($?)`whoami`@\h:\w =>' > In BASH, why does the "\u" and "whoami" make a big difference for > the $? value in PS1 string? The BASH version is 2.04. My assumption is that using whoami with the ` ` causes it to need to reevaulate the PS1 enviroment variable every time. During the reevaulation of PS1, it updates $? along with it. While using \u is handled internally by the shell. $? is only evaluated when PS1 is set. -- Dan Nguyen | It is with true love as it is with ghosts; [EMAIL PROTECTED] | everyone talks of it, but few have seent it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] |-Maxime De La Rochefoucauld ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Debian, Apache, PHP and MySQL
On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 07:14:51PM -0400, Kath wrote: > What line do I have to add to which file to enable mysql in? I did > this once now don't remember :| > nguyend7@wonderwoman:~$ locate php.ini /etc/php4/apache/php.ini That assumes that you have php4 installed, it should be in /etc/php3/apache/php.ini accordingly. Just search for extension, you'll be able to add 'extension=mysql.so' -- Dan Nguyen | It is with true love as it is with ghosts; [EMAIL PROTECTED] | everyone talks of it, but few have seent it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] |-Maxime De La Rochefoucauld ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] The general case of installing a non-Debian thingie on a Debian system
On Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 10:38:23AM -0500, J-Mag Guthrie wrote: > The specific case, Gnapster 1.3.11. > > I've never installed a non-Debian anything and I'm paranoid. > Especially since I have 1.3.10 installed and I can envision > scenarios where I lose what functionality I've achieved. > > Can someone point me to a good URL/HOWTO/whatever about how to do > this sort of thing? > If you are only interested in using a more up to date version of Gnapster, I suggest installing the helixcode version of gnapster which is has 1.3.12 packaged. Or you could use 1.3.11 packaged in Woody. You can simply install the precompiled packages which means you will need to install additional packages (easily handled by apt). Or you can get the source package and build the package yourself (which apt can do as well). Running the helixcode version will probably be the easiest. -- Dan Nguyen | It is with true love as it is with ghosts; [EMAIL PROTECTED] | everyone talks of it, but few have seent it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] |-Maxime De La Rochefoucauld ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] making a patch from a cvs repository
The patch should be diffed against the orginal source. That is the only way to guarantee it will work. There is never a guarantee that a patch will apply cleanly to anything other than the source the patch was diffed against. On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 10:48:27AM -0800, Anmol Khirbat wrote: > Hi > > I imported some source code into a cvs repository, did lots of changes and > made a Larry Wall patch. The problem is that I cannot apply the patch to a > copy of the original source cleanly. > > When I run patch, I get loads of Hunk FAILEDs and a bunch of .rej files. I > went through all the reject files and all of them nearly identical. Here's > one of the rej files with some lines removed. > > *** > *** 42,48 > > ! "$Id: errwarn.c,v 1.1.1.1 2000/12/04 22:07:32 anmol Exp $ Copyright (c) > > --- 42,48 > > ! "$Id: errwarn.c,v 1.2 2000/12/06 00:20:08 anmol Exp $ Copyright (c) 1996 > > Looks like something to do with the $Id$ keyword expansion. Did I goof up > when I imported the source in the first place? Whats the right way of > doing things? How can I produce a patch that applies cleanly to a copy of > the original source? > > TIA > > bye :) > Anmol > > :wq > > > > > > > _______ > techtalk mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk -- Dan Nguyen | It is with true love as it is with ghosts; [EMAIL PROTECTED] | everyone talks of it, but few have seen it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] |-Maxime De La Rochefoucauld ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
