[RE-wrenches] Wire protection for ground mount

[AE Solar]

Hey Wrenchers,

Does anyone have suggestions for netting/protecting wires behind a ground
mount (for keeping hands out of there...not animals). I have seen quite a
few home-made'ish looking options on systems around here (screwing hardware
cloth onto the back of frames/racking, etc) but am looking for a more
professional  optionideally something that is as clean looking as
possible. For what its worth the panels will be (4) high in landscape.
Thanks for any thoughts.

Adam

Adam Katzman - Owner/Operator
Autonomous Energies
4872 State Route 9G
Germantown NY, 12526
www.AutonomousEnergies.com 
(518) 567-1468


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Re: [RE-wrenches] Wire protection for ground mount

[Matt Sherald]

Adam,

I've used aluminum perforated sheet metal in the past.  It matches the
other aluminum on the ground mount and it can be zipped up with self
drilling screws.  Looks pretty sharp when it is done - kinda like it was
meant to be there all along.

-Matt

On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 7:20 AM, AE Solar 
wrote:

> Hey Wrenchers,
>
> Does anyone have suggestions for netting/protecting wires behind a ground
> mount (for keeping hands out of there...not animals). I have seen quite a
> few home-made'ish looking options on systems around here (screwing hardware
> cloth onto the back of frames/racking, etc) but am looking for a more
> professional  optionideally something that is as clean looking as
> possible. For what its worth the panels will be (4) high in landscape.
> Thanks for any thoughts.
>
> Adam
>
> Adam Katzman - Owner/Operator
> Autonomous Energies
> 4872 State Route 9G
> Germantown NY, 12526
> www.AutonomousEnergies.com 
> (518) 567-1468
>
>
> --
> Adam Katzman
> Autonomous Energies
> 4872 State Route 9G
> Germantown NY, 12526
> www.autonomousenergies.com
> (518) 567-1468
>
>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Wire protection for ground mount

[Glenn Burt]

Just be sure to properly bond it to ground per 250.8 & 12, and 250.4.

Sincerely,
Glenn Burt
Sent from my 'smart' phone so please excuse grammar and typos.

-Original Message-
From: "Matt Sherald" 
Sent: ‎4/‎17/‎2015 9:08
To: "RE-wrenches" 
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Wire protection for ground mount

Adam,

I've used aluminum perforated sheet metal in the past.  It matches the
other aluminum on the ground mount and it can be zipped up with self
drilling screws.  Looks pretty sharp when it is done - kinda like it was
meant to be there all along.

-Matt

On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 7:20 AM, AE Solar 
wrote:

> Hey Wrenchers,
>
> Does anyone have suggestions for netting/protecting wires behind a ground
> mount (for keeping hands out of there...not animals). I have seen quite a
> few home-made'ish looking options on systems around here (screwing hardware
> cloth onto the back of frames/racking, etc) but am looking for a more
> professional  optionideally something that is as clean looking as
> possible. For what its worth the panels will be (4) high in landscape.
> Thanks for any thoughts.
>
> Adam
>
> Adam Katzman - Owner/Operator
> Autonomous Energies
> 4872 State Route 9G
> Germantown NY, 12526
> www.AutonomousEnergies.com 
> (518) 567-1468
>
>
> --
> Adam Katzman
> Autonomous Energies
> 4872 State Route 9G
> Germantown NY, 12526
> www.autonomousenergies.com
> (518) 567-1468
>
>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Wire protection for ground mount

[Dave Click]

I think someone here long ago recommended solarscrim.com; when I 
recommended it to three contractors I heard:


1) "awesome, I just bought some and I'll use this on every project!"
2) "too expensive, I'm getting some tennis court screening on my own and 
doing it myself."

3) "too expensive, I'm getting some landscape cloth(?) and doing it myself."

IMHO it looks pretty nice and you would only need it over where the 
wiring is (unless you or your customer wanted to pay for the full back 
to be covered, of course), but I can't comment on its cost relative to 
alternatives.


Issue with hardware cloth, perforated metal, etc. is that you'd need to 
find a way to reliably bond it, and sometimes a homemade solution may 
have some sharp edges/points. You may be able to use a cable tray 
instead (depending on your BOS approach, could run that E-W to your 
inverters/combiner boxes in combination with N-S rolls of scrim).


Or of course, look to plethora of excellent wire management options 
provided by your racking manufacturer. Ha ha ha.


Dave

On 2015/4/17 7:20, AE Solar wrote:

Hey Wrenchers,

Does anyone have suggestions for netting/protecting wires behind a 
ground mount (for keeping hands out of there...not animals). I have 
seen quite a few home-made'ish looking options on systems around here 
(screwing hardware cloth onto the back of frames/racking, etc) but am 
looking for a more professional  optionideally something that is 
as clean looking as possible. For what its worth the panels will be 
(4) high in landscape. Thanks for any thoughts.


Adam

Adam Katzman - Owner/Operator
Autonomous Energies
4872 State Route 9G
Germantown NY, 12526
www.AutonomousEnergies.com 
(518) 567-1468


--
Adam Katzman
Autonomous Energies
4872 State Route 9G
Germantown NY, 12526
www.autonomousenergies.com 
(518) 567-1468




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Re: [RE-wrenches] Wire protection for ground mount

[Jason Szumlanski]

What are you screwing the aluminum into? Any chance of getting a picture?



On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 9:08 AM, Matt Sherald  wrote:

> Adam,
>
> I've used aluminum perforated sheet metal in the past.  It matches the
> other aluminum on the ground mount and it can be zipped up with self
> drilling screws.  Looks pretty sharp when it is done - kinda like it was
> meant to be there all along.
>
> -Matt
>
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 7:20 AM, AE Solar 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey Wrenchers,
>>
>> Does anyone have suggestions for netting/protecting wires behind a ground
>> mount (for keeping hands out of there...not animals). I have seen quite a
>> few home-made'ish looking options on systems around here (screwing hardware
>> cloth onto the back of frames/racking, etc) but am looking for a more
>> professional  optionideally something that is as clean looking as
>> possible. For what its worth the panels will be (4) high in landscape.
>> Thanks for any thoughts.
>>
>> Adam
>>
>> Adam Katzman - Owner/Operator
>> Autonomous Energies
>> 4872 State Route 9G
>> Germantown NY, 12526
>> www.AutonomousEnergies.com 
>> (518) 567-1468
>>
>
>
>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Apprentice

[Jason Szumlanski]

I like this a lot, and have used similar language. The attic stuff can't be
overstated. The professional appearance thing brings up another question...
how do you reconcile wanting your installers to look professional with
swimming through insulation? One is seemingly impossible with the other.
It's easy to sho up looking professional. Leaving the job site looking
anything but ragged is the challenge.

Jason Szumlanski



On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 7:34 PM, Solar Energy Solutions <
solarenergysoluti...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Here is our ad.
>
> We are looking to hire a highly motivated individual interested and
> excited about a career in solar energy.  During your apprenticeship you
> will learn how to design, service and install solar hot water heating
> systems, solar pool heating systems, and photovoltaic systems.
>
> To consider this as a career, a person must be extremely physically fit
> and able to work under the most strenuous of environmental conditions.
> Solar installation work is both physically and mentally difficult work and
> not for the faint of heart.  Able to run one mile and perform several
> hours of Bikram in a row would be good watermarks.  The work consists of
> conditions including and not limited to high temperatures in summer and
> cold and wet in the winter, ladders extended 40 feet, very steep roofs with
> cliff like fall-offs, hot, hot attics, swimming through insulation in hot,
> hot attic and using a variety of power tools for work while swimming
> through insulation in hot, hot attics.
>
> A professional appearance is required and applicants should be personable,
> willing to take direction and able to maintain a positive and pleasant
> attitude. Pay is negotiable, but usually starts out at around $11.00/hour.
> Rapid increases in wages are the goal. The top wage in the industry is
> about $22.00/hour.
>
> Along with a letter telling us why you feel you are suited, and skilled
> for this particular job opening, send a resume and referrals.
>
> *Andrew Koyaanisqatsi*
> *President*
> *Solar Energy Solutions, Inc.*
> *Since 1987,*
> *Moving Portland and Beyond *
> *to an Environmentally Sustainable Future.*
>
> *503-238-4502 <503-238-4502>www.SolarEnergyOregon.com
>  *
>
>
>
>   On Thursday, April 16, 2015 4:05 PM, Jerry Shafer <
> jerrysgarag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Sounds more like a dating site. When i am looking i start with facts what
> we do and how it helps, driving record, schooling, training, brews and
> sunsets dont get included but thats just me. Not judging.
> Jerry
>  Hi Folks;
>
> I am considering hiring an apprentice, and I wanted to know if any else
> has tried this, and what advice and experience everyone had to offer.
> Also what would be the best way to advertise: Craig's List?
>
> * Wanted passionate techy soul to share warm fires and cold brews with,
> watch beautiful sunsets over off grid arrays in remote locations, sometimes
> carry leaky hazardous materials*.
> .  Obviously I need some help.
>
> Thanks in Advance,
>
> --
> R.Ray Walters
> CTO, Solarray, Inc
> Nabcep Certified PV Installer,
> Licensed Master Electrician
> Solar Design Engineer303 505-8760
>
>
>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Apprentice interview

[Chris Mason]

I'm not sure how the term is used in America, but generally "apprentice"
does not mean cheap labour. An apprentice program should be an education
path to a qualification with state recognized standards, such as
Electrician or Plumber. if you just want inexpensive labour, that's not an
apprentice, that's a helper, labourer, intern. As someone who started life
as an electrical apprentice, I object to seeing apprenticeships
shortchanging the applicants.

On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 7:27 PM, Dana  wrote:

> I interview & definitely check references including: look at a tape
> measure and tell me what those little marks are between 0 & 1”, & I look in
> their truck or car.
>
> If it’s clean they may take care of your vehicle then same and if it’s a
> mess that’s what you can expect them to do to your truck.
>
> Are they smokers? Is that OK in your truck?
>
> Can they work without checking their cell phone every time it goes Ding or
> rings?
>
> Do they have their own tools and do they know how to operate tools like
> your hydraulic draw punch or wire tugger without F%$ing it up or hurting
> themselves?
>
>
>
> Does anyone do a background check on new hires?
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> Dana Orzel
>
> Great Solar Works, Inc -  NABCEP # 051112-136
>
> E - d...@solarwork.com  - Web - solarwork.com
>
> O - 970.626.5253  C - 208.721.7003
>
> "Responsible Technologies for Responsible People since 1988"
>
> *P* Please consider the environment before printing this email.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Ray Walters
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 16, 2015 4:50 PM
> *To:* RE-wrenches
> *Subject:* [RE-wrenches] Apprentice
>
>
>
> Hi Folks;
>
> I am considering hiring an apprentice, and I wanted to know if any else
> has tried this, and what advice and experience everyone had to offer.
> Also what would be the best way to advertise: Craig's List?
>
> *Wanted passionate techy soul to share warm fires and cold brews with,
> watch beautiful sunsets over off grid arrays in remote locations, sometimes
> carry leaky hazardous materials*.
> .  Obviously I need some help.
>
> Thanks in Advance,
>
> --
>
> R.Ray Walters
>
> CTO, Solarray, Inc
>
> Nabcep Certified PV Installer,
>
> Licensed Master Electrician
>
> Solar Design Engineer
>
> 303 505-8760
>
>
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Generac Generators Industrial technician

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Re: [RE-wrenches] Apprentice

[Glenn Burt]

Tyvek coverall comes to mind. It is what the insulation pros wear.

Another option would be a simple Dickies coverall – can be worn with minimal 
underclothing and changed into and out of at jobsite (in a discrete location)..

 

-Glenn

 

From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf 
Of Jason Szumlanski
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 9:33 AM
To: RE-wrenches
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Apprentice

 

I like this a lot, and have used similar language. The attic stuff can't be 
overstated. The professional appearance thing brings up another question... how 
do you reconcile wanting your installers to look professional with swimming 
through insulation? One is seemingly impossible with the other. It's easy to 
sho up looking professional. Leaving the job site looking anything but ragged 
is the challenge.

 

Jason Szumlanski

 

 

 

On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 7:34 PM, Solar Energy Solutions 
 wrote:

Here is our ad.

  

We are looking to hire a highly motivated individual interested and excited 
about a career in solar energy.  During your apprenticeship you will learn how 
to design, service and install solar hot water heating systems, solar pool 
heating systems, and photovoltaic systems. 


To consider this as a career, a person must be extremely physically fit and 
able to work under the most strenuous of environmental conditions. Solar 
installation work is both physically and mentally difficult work and not for 
the faint of heart.  Able to run one mile and perform several hours of Bikram 
in a row would be good watermarks.  The work consists of conditions including 
and not limited to high temperatures in summer and cold and wet in the winter, 
ladders extended 40 feet, very steep roofs with cliff like fall-offs, hot, hot 
attics, swimming through insulation in hot, hot attic and using a variety of 
power tools for work while swimming through insulation in hot, hot attics. 


A professional appearance is required and applicants should be personable, 
willing to take direction and able to maintain a positive and pleasant 
attitude. Pay is negotiable, but usually starts out at around $11.00/hour. 
Rapid increases in wages are the goal. The top wage in the industry is about 
$22.00/hour. 


Along with a letter telling us why you feel you are suited, and skilled for 
this particular job opening, send a resume and referrals. 

 

Andrew Koyaanisqatsi

President

Solar Energy Solutions, Inc.

Since 1987,

Moving Portland and Beyond 

to an Environmentally Sustainable Future.

503-238-4502
  www.SolarEnergyOregon.com 

 

 

On Thursday, April 16, 2015 4:05 PM, Jerry Shafer  
wrote:

 

Sounds more like a dating site. When i am looking i start with facts what we do 
and how it helps, driving record, schooling, training, brews and sunsets dont 
get included but thats just me. Not judging.
Jerry

Hi Folks;

I am considering hiring an apprentice, and I wanted to know if any else has 
tried this, and what advice and experience everyone had to offer.
Also what would be the best way to advertise: Craig's List?  

Wanted passionate techy soul to share warm fires and cold brews with, watch 
beautiful sunsets over off grid arrays in remote locations, sometimes carry 
leaky hazardous materials.
.  Obviously I need some help.

Thanks in Advance,

-- 
R.Ray Walters
CTO, Solarray, Inc
Nabcep Certified PV Installer, 
Licensed Master Electrician
Solar Design Engineer
303 505-8760

 

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Re: [RE-wrenches] Apprentice interview

[Glenn Burt]

Unions adopting the term notwithstanding, Merriam-Webster defines it as such:

 

Full Definition of APPRENTICE

1

a :  one bound by indenture to serve another for a prescribed period with a 
view to learning an art or trade 

b :  one who is learning by practical experience under skilled workers a trade, 
art, or calling 

2

:  an inexperienced person :  novice 
   

— ap·pren·tice·ship \-tə(sh)-ˌship, -təs-ˌship\ noun 

 

Clearly it would apply to someone who fits the descriptions being discussed.

 

From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf 
Of Chris Mason
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 8:23 AM
To: d...@solarwork.com; RE-wrenches
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Apprentice interview

 

I'm not sure how the term is used in America, but generally "apprentice" does 
not mean cheap labour. An apprentice program should be an education path to a 
qualification with state recognized standards, such as Electrician or Plumber. 
if you just want inexpensive labour, that's not an apprentice, that's a helper, 
labourer, intern. As someone who started life as an electrical apprentice, I 
object to seeing apprenticeships shortchanging the applicants.

 

On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 7:27 PM, Dana  wrote:

I interview & definitely check references including: look at a tape measure and 
tell me what those little marks are between 0 & 1”, & I look in their truck or 
car. 

If it’s clean they may take care of your vehicle then same and if it’s a mess 
that’s what you can expect them to do to your truck. 

Are they smokers? Is that OK in your truck?

Can they work without checking their cell phone every time it goes Ding or 
rings?

Do they have their own tools and do they know how to operate tools like your 
hydraulic draw punch or wire tugger without F%$ing it up or hurting themselves?

 

Does anyone do a background check on new hires?

 



Dana Orzel 

Great Solar Works, Inc -  NABCEP # 051112-136

E - d...@solarwork.com  - Web - solarwork.com 

O - 970.626.5253  C - 208.721.7003

"Responsible Technologies for Responsible People since 1988"  

P Please consider the environment before printing this email.

 

 

From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf 
Of Ray Walters
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2015 4:50 PM
To: RE-wrenches
Subject: [RE-wrenches] Apprentice

 

Hi Folks;

I am considering hiring an apprentice, and I wanted to know if any else has 
tried this, and what advice and experience everyone had to offer.
Also what would be the best way to advertise: Craig's List?  

Wanted passionate techy soul to share warm fires and cold brews with, watch 
beautiful sunsets over off grid arrays in remote locations, sometimes carry 
leaky hazardous materials.
.  Obviously I need some help.

Thanks in Advance,

-- 
R.Ray Walters
CTO, Solarray, Inc
Nabcep Certified PV Installer, 
Licensed Master Electrician
Solar Design Engineer
303 505-8760  


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-- 

Chris Mason

NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer™

Solar Design Engineer

Generac Generators Industrial technician

 

www.cometsolar.com  

264.235.5670

869.662.5670

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[RE-wrenches] flushing DHW collectors

[Kirk Herander]

Hello,

 

I have an older 10 collector system in which the glycol has stagnated due to
a defective collector sensor, apparently for some time. I was able to drain
the collectors, the cooked glycol is black with a good bit of sediment. I
tried to flush the system with water but my ½ hp utility pump could not pump
the water entirely through the collectors. Suction slowed down and stopped
after just a few gallons, as if the pump couldn’t overcome the effective
head of the system. I had no problem using this pump to charge the loop when
it was commissioned. I suspect the collectors may be gummed up with cooked
glycol. I guess compressed air is next to try. Are there any safe chemicals
to use to purge / un-gum the collectors? Thanks. 

 

Kirk Herander

VT Solar, LLC 

Proven PV provider since 1991

www.vermontsolarnow.com

dba Vermont Solar Engineering

NABCEPTM Inaugural Certificant

VT RE Incentive Program Partner

802.863.1202

 

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Re: [RE-wrenches] Apprentice

[Jason Szumlanski]

Given the attic temperatures around here and the propensity of Tyvek to get
snagged on roof nails, I don't think these are great options for us. It's
hard enough wearing long pants and sleeves in Florida, which is the minimum
I require for attic work. I've seen insulation guys in short sleeved shirts
around here. I don't know how they get away with it (or endure the
itching). Then again, a lot of new homes are going in with foam or
blown-in insulation.


On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 11:52 AM, Glenn Burt  wrote:

> Tyvek coverall comes to mind. It is what the insulation pros wear.
>
> Another option would be a simple Dickies coverall – can be worn with
> minimal underclothing and changed into and out of at jobsite (in a discrete
> location)..
>
>
>
> -Glenn
>
>
>
> *From:* RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Jason Szumlanski
> *Sent:* Friday, April 17, 2015 9:33 AM
> *To:* RE-wrenches
> *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] Apprentice
>
>
>
> I like this a lot, and have used similar language. The attic stuff can't
> be overstated. The professional appearance thing brings up another
> question... how do you reconcile wanting your installers to look
> professional with swimming through insulation? One is seemingly impossible
> with the other. It's easy to sho up looking professional. Leaving the job
> site looking anything but ragged is the challenge.
>
>
>
> Jason Szumlanski
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 7:34 PM, Solar Energy Solutions <
> solarenergysoluti...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Here is our ad.
>
>
>
> We are looking to hire a highly motivated individual interested and
> excited about a career in solar energy.  During your apprenticeship you
> will learn how to design, service and install solar hot water heating
> systems, solar pool heating systems, and photovoltaic systems.
>
>
> To consider this as a career, a person must be extremely physically fit
> and able to work under the most strenuous of environmental conditions.
> Solar installation work is both physically and mentally difficult work and
> not for the faint of heart.  Able to run one mile and perform several hours
> of Bikram in a row would be good watermarks.  The work consists of
> conditions including and not limited to high temperatures in summer and
> cold and wet in the winter, ladders extended 40 feet, very steep roofs with
> cliff like fall-offs, hot, hot attics, swimming through insulation in hot,
> hot attic and using a variety of power tools for work while swimming
> through insulation in hot, hot attics.
>
>
> A professional appearance is required and applicants should be personable,
> willing to take direction and able to maintain a positive and pleasant
> attitude. Pay is negotiable, but usually starts out at around $11.00/hour.
> Rapid increases in wages are the goal. The top wage in the industry is
> about $22.00/hour.
>
>
> Along with a letter telling us why you feel you are suited, and skilled
> for this particular job opening, send a resume and referrals.
>
>
>
> *Andrew Koyaanisqatsi*
>
> *President*
>
> *Solar Energy Solutions, Inc.*
>
> *Since 1987,*
>
> *Moving Portland and Beyond *
>
> *to an Environmentally Sustainable Future.*
>
>
> *503-238-4502 <503-238-4502>www.SolarEnergyOregon.com
>  *
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, April 16, 2015 4:05 PM, Jerry Shafer <
> jerrysgarag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Sounds more like a dating site. When i am looking i start with facts what
> we do and how it helps, driving record, schooling, training, brews and
> sunsets dont get included but thats just me. Not judging.
> Jerry
>
> Hi Folks;
>
> I am considering hiring an apprentice, and I wanted to know if any else
> has tried this, and what advice and experience everyone had to offer.
> Also what would be the best way to advertise: Craig's List?
>
> *Wanted passionate techy soul to share warm fires and cold brews with,
> watch beautiful sunsets over off grid arrays in remote locations, sometimes
> carry leaky hazardous materials*.
> .  Obviously I need some help.
>
> Thanks in Advance,
>
> --
>
> R.Ray Walters
>
> CTO, Solarray, Inc
>
> Nabcep Certified PV Installer,
>
> Licensed Master Electrician
>
> Solar Design Engineer
>
> 303 505-8760
>
>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] flushing DHW collectors

[Glenn Burt]

When I was installing them and using Tom Lane’s book, he recommended a
solution of TSP be used for cleaning lines prior to charging with HTF. 1 cup
per gallon of water is what I read. He suggests running it for 30 min, then
flushing with clean water for another 30 before charging with HTF.

 

-Glenn

 

From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On
Behalf Of Kirk Herander
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 1:21 PM
To: RE-wrenches
Subject: [RE-wrenches] flushing DHW collectors

 

Hello,

 

I have an older 10 collector system in which the glycol has stagnated due to
a defective collector sensor, apparently for some time. I was able to drain
the collectors, the cooked glycol is black with a good bit of sediment. I
tried to flush the system with water but my ½ hp utility pump could not pump
the water entirely through the collectors. Suction slowed down and stopped
after just a few gallons, as if the pump couldn’t overcome the effective
head of the system. I had no problem using this pump to charge the loop when
it was commissioned. I suspect the collectors may be gummed up with cooked
glycol. I guess compressed air is next to try. Are there any safe chemicals
to use to purge / un-gum the collectors? Thanks. 

 

Kirk Herander

VT Solar, LLC 

Proven PV provider since 1991

www.vermontsolarnow.com

dba Vermont Solar Engineering

NABCEPTM Inaugural Certificant

VT RE Incentive Program Partner

802.863.1202

 

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Re: [RE-wrenches] flushing DHW collectors

[Christopher Warfel]

We have had luck using a 25% solution of white vinegar, pumping the 
solution into the system until the pump cannot overcome the friction, 
capping the inlet(where the pump was pumping), make sure the outlet is 
open, let the sun superheat the solution and blow the obstruction out 
through the outlet.  (Just have to make sure that no one, nothing is in 
the way of the outlet)

Chris
On 4/17/2015 2:05 PM, Glenn Burt wrote:


When I was installing them and using Tom Lane’s book, he recommended a 
solution of TSP be used for cleaning lines prior to charging with HTF. 
1 cup per gallon of water is what I read. He suggests running it for 
30 min, then flushing with clean water for another 30 before charging 
with HTF.


-Glenn

*From:*RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Kirk Herander

*Sent:* Friday, April 17, 2015 1:21 PM
*To:* RE-wrenches
*Subject:* [RE-wrenches] flushing DHW collectors

Hello,

I have an older 10 collector system in which the glycol has stagnated 
due to a defective collector sensor, apparently for some time. I was 
able to drain the collectors, the cooked glycol is black with a good 
bit of sediment. I tried to flush the system with water but my ½ hp 
utility pump could not pump the water entirely through the collectors. 
Suction slowed down and stopped after just a few gallons, as if the 
pump couldn’t overcome the effective head of the system. I had no 
problem using this pump to charge the loop when it was commissioned. I 
suspect the collectors may be gummed up with cooked glycol. I guess 
compressed air is next to try. Are there any safe chemicals to use to 
purge / un-gum the collectors? Thanks.


*Kirk Herander*

*VT Solar, LLC *

*/Proven PV provider since 1991/*

*www.vermontsolarnow.com*

dba Vermont Solar Engineering

NABCEP^TM Inaugural Certificant

VT RE Incentive Program Partner

802.863.1202



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Re: [RE-wrenches] flushing DHW collectors

[August Goers]

Kirk,



Any idea what kind of glycol was in the system? I’ve seen systems stagnate
for several years where the propylene glycol was still fine if it was good
quality. I’ve seen people use the automotive grade propylene glycol such as
Sierra brand antifreeze with poor results.



I think Glenn’s suggestion of flushing with a TSP solution is a good way to
go.



Good luck, sounds like a messy situation!



Best,



August



*From:* RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] *On
Behalf Of *Kirk Herander
*Sent:* Friday, April 17, 2015 10:21 AM
*To:* RE-wrenches
*Subject:* [RE-wrenches] flushing DHW collectors



Hello,



I have an older 10 collector system in which the glycol has stagnated due
to a defective collector sensor, apparently for some time. I was able to
drain the collectors, the cooked glycol is black with a good bit of
sediment. I tried to flush the system with water but my ½ hp utility pump
could not pump the water entirely through the collectors. Suction slowed
down and stopped after just a few gallons, as if the pump couldn’t overcome
the effective head of the system. I had no problem using this pump to
charge the loop when it was commissioned. I suspect the collectors may be
gummed up with cooked glycol. I guess compressed air is next to try. Are
there any safe chemicals to use to purge / un-gum the collectors? Thanks.



*Kirk Herander*

*VT Solar, LLC *

*Proven PV provider since 1991*

*www.vermontsolarnow.com *

dba Vermont Solar Engineering

NABCEPTM Inaugural Certificant

VT RE Incentive Program Partner

802.863.1202
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Apprentice interview

[Ray Walters]

Hi All;

Thanks for the replies so far; I apologize for my misunderstood attempt 
at humor in my initial post.  I agree with Chris here, I hire contract 
labor all the time, but an apprenticeship is different.  Laborers top 
out pretty quickly and just aren't capable of learning the nuances of 
off grid electric design.  Much of the time that's all that's needed: 
pick this up and take it over there,dig here, etc.  I'm not looking for 
labor, as much as someone who could some day take over the business ( 
I'm 50 now) and go out and troubleshoot systems on their own.  I 
consider off grid solar to be more of a craft than mere construction 
contracting.
An apprenticeship implies a much longer term arrangement where they may 
be paid less, but can expect training to the point of getting their 
electrical license and making a career out of it.  I'm having a much 
harder time finding the sort of person that wants to make that sort of 
commitment both in time and in learning.  Folks that have the smarts and 
ambition necessary are already busy.


Thanks,

R.Ray Walters
CTO, Solarray, Inc
Nabcep Certified PV Installer,
Licensed Master Electrician
Solar Design Engineer
303 505-8760

On 4/17/2015 6:22 AM, Chris Mason wrote:
I'm not sure how the term is used in America, but generally 
"apprentice" does not mean cheap labour. An apprentice program should 
be an education path to a qualification with state recognized 
standards, such as Electrician or Plumber. if you just want 
inexpensive labour, that's not an apprentice, that's a helper, 
labourer, intern. As someone who started life as an electrical 
apprentice, I object to seeing apprenticeships shortchanging the 
applicants.


On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 7:27 PM, Dana > wrote:


I interview & definitely check references including: look at a
tape measure and tell me what those little marks are between 0 &
1”, & I look in their truck or car.

If it’s clean they may take care of your vehicle then same and if
it’s a mess that’s what you can expect them to do to your truck.

Are they smokers? Is that OK in your truck?

Can they work without checking their cell phone every time it goes
Ding or rings?

Do they have their own tools and do they know how to operate tools
like your hydraulic draw punch or wire tugger without F%$ing it up
or hurting themselves?

Does anyone do a background check on new hires?



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] *On Behalf Of
*Ray Walters
*Sent:* Thursday, April 16, 2015 4:50 PM
*To:* RE-wrenches
*Subject:* [RE-wrenches] Apprentice

Hi Folks;

I am considering hiring an apprentice, and I wanted to know if any
else has tried this, and what advice and experience everyone had
to offer.
Also what would be the best way to advertise: Craig's List? /

Wanted passionate techy soul to share warm fires and cold brews
with, watch beautiful sunsets over off grid arrays in remote
locations, sometimes carry leaky hazardous materials/.
.  Obviously I need some help.

Thanks in Advance,

-- 


R.Ray Walters

CTO, Solarray, Inc

Nabcep Certified PV Installer,

Licensed Master Electrician

Solar Design Engineer

303 505-8760  


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Re: [RE-wrenches] flushing DHW collectors

[Jerry Shafer]

We will use a vinigar water solution but you will need more volume fill it
and run it for some time then flush, repeat as nessesary. Cooked glycol is
messy to clean.
Jerry
On Apr 17, 2015 7:21 AM, "Kirk Herander"  wrote:

> Hello,
>
>
>
> I have an older 10 collector system in which the glycol has stagnated due
> to a defective collector sensor, apparently for some time. I was able to
> drain the collectors, the cooked glycol is black with a good bit of
> sediment. I tried to flush the system with water but my ½ hp utility pump
> could not pump the water entirely through the collectors. Suction slowed
> down and stopped after just a few gallons, as if the pump couldn’t overcome
> the effective head of the system. I had no problem using this pump to
> charge the loop when it was commissioned. I suspect the collectors may be
> gummed up with cooked glycol. I guess compressed air is next to try. Are
> there any safe chemicals to use to purge / un-gum the collectors? Thanks.
>
>
>
> *Kirk Herander*
>
> *VT Solar, LLC *
>
> *Proven PV provider since 1991*
>
> *www.vermontsolarnow.com *
>
> dba Vermont Solar Engineering
>
> NABCEPTM Inaugural Certificant
>
> VT RE Incentive Program Partner
>
> 802.863.1202
>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] flushing DHW collectors

[Dana]

Lowe’s has a portable irrigation pump that I will buy when mine glycol pumps 
die. My brother-in-law who does a lot of glycol pumping for snowmelt in ID came 
up with this.

UTILITECH – 1 HP – Portable lawn pump, Part # 0024840 – 120 volt it pumps 100% 
glycol like no tomorrow. Easy to carry frame and made for standard hose 
connections.

 



Dana Orzel 

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"Responsible Technologies for Responsible People since 1988"  

P Please consider the environment before printing this email.

 

 

From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf 
Of Christopher Warfel
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 2:00 PM
To: re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] flushing DHW collectors

 

We have had luck using a 25% solution of white vinegar, pumping the solution 
into the system until the pump cannot overcome the friction, capping the 
inlet(where the pump was pumping), make sure the outlet is open, let the sun 
superheat the solution and blow the obstruction out through the outlet.  (Just 
have to make sure that no one, nothing is in the way of the outlet)
Chris

On 4/17/2015 2:05 PM, Glenn Burt wrote:

When I was installing them and using Tom Lane’s book, he recommended a solution 
of TSP be used for cleaning lines prior to charging with HTF. 1 cup per gallon 
of water is what I read. He suggests running it for 30 min, then flushing with 
clean water for another 30 before charging with HTF.

 

-Glenn

 

From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf 
Of Kirk Herander
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 1:21 PM
To: RE-wrenches
Subject: [RE-wrenches] flushing DHW collectors

 

Hello,

 

I have an older 10 collector system in which the glycol has stagnated due to a 
defective collector sensor, apparently for some time. I was able to drain the 
collectors, the cooked glycol is black with a good bit of sediment. I tried to 
flush the system with water but my ½ hp utility pump could not pump the water 
entirely through the collectors. Suction slowed down and stopped after just a 
few gallons, as if the pump couldn’t overcome the effective head of the system. 
I had no problem using this pump to charge the loop when it was commissioned. I 
suspect the collectors may be gummed up with cooked glycol. I guess compressed 
air is next to try. Are there any safe chemicals to use to purge / un-gum the 
collectors? Thanks. 

 

Kirk Herander

VT Solar, LLC 

Proven PV provider since 1991

www.vermontsolarnow.com

dba Vermont Solar Engineering

NABCEPTM Inaugural Certificant

VT RE Incentive Program Partner

802.863.1202

 






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Re: [RE-wrenches] Apprentice interview

[Dana]

Finding someone who is or has lived off grid helps a lot.

 



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From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On
Behalf Of Ray Walters
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 2:53 PM
To: RE-wrenches
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Apprentice interview

 

Hi All;

Thanks for the replies so far; I apologize for my misunderstood attempt at
humor in my initial post.  I agree with Chris here, I hire contract labor
all the time, but an apprenticeship is different.  Laborers top out pretty
quickly and just aren't capable of learning the nuances of off grid electric
design.  Much of the time that's all that's needed: pick this up and take it
over there,dig here, etc.  I'm not looking for labor, as much as someone who
could some day take over the business ( I'm 50 now) and go out and
troubleshoot systems on their own.  I consider off grid solar to be more of
a craft than mere construction contracting.
An apprenticeship implies a much longer term arrangement where they may be
paid less, but can expect training to the point of getting their electrical
license and making a career out of it.  I'm having a much harder time
finding the sort of person that wants to make that sort of commitment both
in time and in learning.  Folks that have the smarts and ambition necessary
are already busy.

Thanks,



R.Ray Walters
CTO, Solarray, Inc
Nabcep Certified PV Installer, 
Licensed Master Electrician
Solar Design Engineer
303 505-8760

On 4/17/2015 6:22 AM, Chris Mason wrote:

I'm not sure how the term is used in America, but generally "apprentice"
does not mean cheap labour. An apprentice program should be an education
path to a qualification with state recognized standards, such as Electrician
or Plumber. if you just want inexpensive labour, that's not an apprentice,
that's a helper, labourer, intern. As someone who started life as an
electrical apprentice, I object to seeing apprenticeships shortchanging the
applicants.

 

On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 7:27 PM, Dana  wrote:

I interview & definitely check references including: look at a tape measure
and tell me what those little marks are between 0 & 1", & I look in their
truck or car. 

If it's clean they may take care of your vehicle then same and if it's a
mess that's what you can expect them to do to your truck. 

Are they smokers? Is that OK in your truck?

Can they work without checking their cell phone every time it goes Ding or
rings?

Do they have their own tools and do they know how to operate tools like your
hydraulic draw punch or wire tugger without F%$ing it up or hurting
themselves?

 

Does anyone do a background check on new hires?

 



Dana Orzel 

Great Solar Works, Inc -  NABCEP # 051112-136

E - d...@solarwork.com  - Web - solarwork.com 

O - 970.626.5253  C - 208.721.7003

"Responsible Technologies for Responsible People since 1988"  

P Please consider the environment before printing this email.

 

 

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Behalf Of Ray Walters
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2015 4:50 PM
To: RE-wrenches
Subject: [RE-wrenches] Apprentice

 

Hi Folks;

I am considering hiring an apprentice, and I wanted to know if any else has
tried this, and what advice and experience everyone had to offer.
Also what would be the best way to advertise: Craig's List?  

Wanted passionate techy soul to share warm fires and cold brews with, watch
beautiful sunsets over off grid arrays in remote locations, sometimes carry
leaky hazardous materials.
.  Obviously I need some help.

Thanks in Advance,

-- 
R.Ray Walters
CTO, Solarray, Inc
Nabcep Certified PV Installer, 
Licensed Master Electrician
Solar Design Engineer
303 505-8760  


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Re: [RE-wrenches] Apprentice interview

[Ray Walters]

I agree, but the offgrid lifestyle often makes travel issues and work 
ethics more difficult.


R.Ray Walters
CTO, Solarray, Inc
Nabcep Certified PV Installer,
Licensed Master Electrician
Solar Design Engineer
303 505-8760

On 4/17/2015 3:34 PM, Dana wrote:


Finding someone who is or has lived off grid helps a lot.



Dana Orzel

Great Solar Works, Inc -  NABCEP # 051112-136

E - d...@solarwork.com  - Web - solarwork.com

O - 970.626.5253  C - 208.721.7003

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*From:*RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Ray Walters

*Sent:* Friday, April 17, 2015 2:53 PM
*To:* RE-wrenches
*Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] Apprentice interview

Hi All;

Thanks for the replies so far; I apologize for my misunderstood 
attempt at humor in my initial post.  I agree with Chris here, I hire 
contract labor all the time, but an apprenticeship is different.  
Laborers top out pretty quickly and just aren't capable of learning 
the nuances of off grid electric design.  Much of the time that's all 
that's needed: pick this up and take it over there,dig here, etc.  I'm 
not looking for labor, as much as someone who could some day take over 
the business ( I'm 50 now) and go out and troubleshoot systems on 
their own.  I consider off grid solar to be more of a craft than mere 
construction contracting.
An apprenticeship implies a much longer term arrangement where they 
may be paid less, but can expect training to the point of getting 
their electrical license and making a career out of it.  I'm having a 
much harder time finding the sort of person that wants to make that 
sort of commitment both in time and in learning.  Folks that have the 
smarts and ambition necessary are already busy.


Thanks,

R.Ray Walters
CTO, Solarray, Inc
Nabcep Certified PV Installer,
Licensed Master Electrician
Solar Design Engineer
303 505-8760

On 4/17/2015 6:22 AM, Chris Mason wrote:

I'm not sure how the term is used in America, but generally
"apprentice" does not mean cheap labour. An apprentice program
should be an education path to a qualification with state
recognized standards, such as Electrician or Plumber. if you just
want inexpensive labour, that's not an apprentice, that's a
helper, labourer, intern. As someone who started life as an
electrical apprentice, I object to seeing apprenticeships
shortchanging the applicants.

On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 7:27 PM, Dana mailto:d...@solarwork.com>> wrote:

I interview & definitely check references including: look at a
tape measure and tell me what those little marks are between 0 &
1”, & I look in their truck or car.

If it’s clean they may take care of your vehicle then same and if
it’s a mess that’s what you can expect them to do to your truck.

Are they smokers? Is that OK in your truck?

Can they work without checking their cell phone every time it goes
Ding or rings?

Do they have their own tools and do they know how to operate tools
like your hydraulic draw punch or wire tugger without F%$ing it up
or hurting themselves?

Does anyone do a background check on new hires?



Dana Orzel

Great Solar Works, Inc -  NABCEP # 051112-136

E - d...@solarwork.com  - Web -
solarwork.com 

O - 970.626.5253  C - 208.721.7003


"Responsible Technologies for Responsible People since 1988"

*P*Please consider the environment before printing this email.

*From:*RE-wrenches
[mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org
] *On Behalf Of
*Ray Walters
*Sent:* Thursday, April 16, 2015 4:50 PM
*To:* RE-wrenches
*Subject:* [RE-wrenches] Apprentice

Hi Folks;

I am considering hiring an apprentice, and I wanted to know if any
else has tried this, and what advice and experience everyone had
to offer.
Also what would be the best way to advertise: Craig's List? /

Wanted passionate techy soul to share warm fires and cold brews
with, watch beautiful sunsets over off grid arrays in remote
locations, sometimes carry leaky hazardous materials/.
.  Obviously I need some help.

Thanks in Advance,

-- 


R.Ray Walters

CTO, Solarray, Inc

Nabcep Certified PV Installer,

Licensed Master Electrician

Solar Design Engineer

303 505-8760  


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Re: [RE-wrenches] Apprentice interview

[Chris Mason]

The US currently puts little value on craft versus academia,  now everyone
smart is expected to go to college.  Consequently there is a stigma on
vocational education. When I did my electrical apprenticeship in Ireland,
we did two years of college, one year of training school and one year in
the field. There were 8, 000 applicants for a handful of positions.
I had a third year electrical apprentice from the US work for me on a three
month project we took on. He was absolutely unqualified and could not
answer the most basic questions on electrical theory.
I recommend you detail the educational opportunities and fund adequate
training enabling the apprentice to acheive the target qualification.
On Apr 17, 2015 4:53 PM, "Ray Walters"  wrote:

>  Hi All;
>
> Thanks for the replies so far; I apologize for my misunderstood attempt at
> humor in my initial post.  I agree with Chris here, I hire contract labor
> all the time, but an apprenticeship is different.  Laborers top out pretty
> quickly and just aren't capable of learning the nuances of off grid
> electric design.  Much of the time that's all that's needed: pick this up
> and take it over there,dig here, etc.  I'm not looking for labor, as much
> as someone who could some day take over the business ( I'm 50 now) and go
> out and troubleshoot systems on their own.  I consider off grid solar to be
> more of a craft than mere construction contracting.
> An apprenticeship implies a much longer term arrangement where they may be
> paid less, but can expect training to the point of getting their electrical
> license and making a career out of it.  I'm having a much harder time
> finding the sort of person that wants to make that sort of commitment both
> in time and in learning.  Folks that have the smarts and ambition necessary
> are already busy.
>
> Thanks,
>
> R.Ray Walters
> CTO, Solarray, Inc
> Nabcep Certified PV Installer,
> Licensed Master Electrician
> Solar Design Engineer303 505-8760
>
> On 4/17/2015 6:22 AM, Chris Mason wrote:
>
> I'm not sure how the term is used in America, but generally "apprentice"
> does not mean cheap labour. An apprentice program should be an education
> path to a qualification with state recognized standards, such as
> Electrician or Plumber. if you just want inexpensive labour, that's not an
> apprentice, that's a helper, labourer, intern. As someone who started life
> as an electrical apprentice, I object to seeing apprenticeships
> shortchanging the applicants.
>
> On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 7:27 PM, Dana  wrote:
>
>>  I interview & definitely check references including: look at a tape
>> measure and tell me what those little marks are between 0 & 1”, & I look in
>> their truck or car.
>>
>> If it’s clean they may take care of your vehicle then same and if it’s a
>> mess that’s what you can expect them to do to your truck.
>>
>> Are they smokers? Is that OK in your truck?
>>
>> Can they work without checking their cell phone every time it goes Ding
>> or rings?
>>
>> Do they have their own tools and do they know how to operate tools like
>> your hydraulic draw punch or wire tugger without F%$ing it up or hurting
>> themselves?
>>
>>
>>
>> Does anyone do a background check on new hires?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> Dana Orzel
>>
>> Great Solar Works, Inc -  NABCEP # 051112-136
>>
>> E - d...@solarwork.com  - Web - solarwork.com
>>
>> O - 970.626.5253  C - 208.721.7003
>>
>> "Responsible Technologies for Responsible People since 1988"
>>
>> *P* Please consider the environment before printing this email.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] *On
>> Behalf Of *Ray Walters
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 16, 2015 4:50 PM
>> *To:* RE-wrenches
>> *Subject:* [RE-wrenches] Apprentice
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Folks;
>>
>> I am considering hiring an apprentice, and I wanted to know if any else
>> has tried this, and what advice and experience everyone had to offer.
>> Also what would be the best way to advertise: Craig's List?
>>
>> * Wanted passionate techy soul to share warm fires and cold brews with,
>> watch beautiful sunsets over off grid arrays in remote locations, sometimes
>> carry leaky hazardous materials*.
>> .  Obviously I need some help.
>>
>> Thanks in Advance,
>>
>>  --
>>
>> R.Ray Walters
>>
>> CTO, Solarray, Inc
>>
>> Nabcep Certified PV Installer,
>>
>> Licensed Master Electrician
>>
>> Solar Design Engineer
>>
>> 303 505-8760
>>
>>
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