[RBW] FS: (3) Pairs of 650b tires and a 61cm Soma GR frame, fork and headset

[William R.]

Hi. I'm selling these items to clear the way for some accessories for my 
Joe Appaloosa. Figured I would try here first. Prices INCLUDE shipping to 
the lower 48 states.

Compass Switchback Hill tires, 650b x 48, EL version, 1 Pair, very slightly 
used, $120

Schwalbe Big Ben tires, 650b x 50, non-folding wire bead (figure 8-ed for 
shipping), 1 Pair, less than 500 miles, $60

Soma Cazadero tires, 650b x 42, 1 Pair, less than 250 miles, $100 (haven't 
taken any photos of these yet)

Soma Grand Randonneur frame, fork and Velo Orange headset, 61cm, first 
generation, repainted fork, all in very good shape, $350

I have more photos of everything or can take more. Thanks.

Bill in Westchester, NY


 


 


 


 


 



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[RBW] FS: (3) Pairs of 650b tires and a 61cm Soma GR frame, fork and headset

[William R.]

Update: Soma Cazadero tires are spoken for. Everything else is still available. 
-Bill

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[RBW] FS: (3) Pairs of 650b tires and a 61cm Soma GR frame, fork and headset

[William R.]

Update: the Switchback Hills and Cazadero's are sold.

The pair of Big Bens (650b x 50) are still available.

The Soma Grand Randonneur (61cm) frame, fork and headset is still available.

-Bill

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[RBW] my joe appaloosa setup

[William R.]

Very nice Patrick. I like the way your Joe is evolving. I'm seeing a lot of 
smart and fun touches. Zip tie-ing the saddle security to the seat post. Fun 
pink tape-ing the basket to the rack. The Chocomoose bar design always struck 
me as somewhat "Jonesy". Not surprised to see one show up on an Appaloosa. 
Seeing it on yours, and comparing it to the Chocomoose on mine, the differences 
stand out. Clearly it's wider and the grips don't "come back" as much as the 
Choco's. The Jones must be very stable. I love the Choco for many reasons, but 
most of all I appreciate how it is not quite so wide yet it performs like a 
wide bar. I store my bikes in my basement. To go out I need to pass them 
through a narrow door. The one bike that I have full size Boscoe's on is a pita 
to get out! The Choco's not so much. Still, at some point it would be fun to 
try the Jones bar. Lastly, that bell is pretty cool. What is it and how do you 
like it?

Bill in Westchester, NY

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[RBW] Re: Long/scenic day rides to do from the New York City area

[William R.]

Late to the table here but this is a great thread Bob. It's nice to hear 
about all of these routes in our area. It's a really diverse area with lots 
of great riding. I live in Dobbs Ferry, a "rivertown" (Hudson) on the west 
side of Westchester Co. I'm lucky, my house is right in between where the 
Putnam and Acquaduct Paths run parallel to each other. It's less than a 
mile for me to ride to entrances to either. Those two paths are where I do 
most of my riding. The roads here get very congested and shoulders are 
little to none for the most part. It seems Rivendell's are made to ride 
these paths, my Joe Appaloosa is perfect for the terrain here. I do venture 
off these well-worn paths from time to time. Every fall my family goes to 
the Sheep and Wool Festival at the Duchess County Fairgrounds. A few years 
ago I started riding up after Google mapping a favorable route. It's a 
great ride that could start on the Acquaduct or Putnam paths, then some 
nice country roads (first photo) and then the very nice paved Duchess 
County Pathway. Its a 85-90 mile ride depending on exact route from my 
house. Add 15-20 from the city? I could probably come up with my actual 
route if anybody wants it, otherwise I find the bike option on Google Maps 
to be pretty good. I grew up in southern Connecticut on the Long Island 
Sound. I often ride from home to my sisters house in Fairfield which is 
about a 60 mile ride. There are some great dirt roads along the border 
between Westchester Co. and Connecticut and then its not too far to get to 
great riding along the coast in CT. Again, sorry for not supplying routes. 
I usually go by feel when I go to Connecticut. Having grown up there, I 
never seem to get lost for long! Of course I ride into the city often too. 
Adventures to the outer boro's, Rockaway Beach, Coney Island and Staten 
Island happen a few times a year. A few shots attached: (1) somewhere in 
Westchester/Duchess Co., (2) Old Croton Acquaduct, (3) Joe Appaloosa at the 
Old Croton Dam (source of the Old Acquaduct).

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[RBW] Re: Long/scenic day rides to do from the New York City area

[William R.]

Hey Bob E, I like your Trek too. I see you have a lot of a long stem showing 
there like I do. Do you experience flex like I do? My 7000 is strictly a short 
distance bike so it's not a big issue. But boy can I flex that cockpit! I have 
it set up as my train station bike now. Generic saddle that came on my 
Appaloosa chained to the frame for security. It's a good bike that works for me 
with that bar/stem combo.

Bill in Westchester, NY

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[RBW] WTB Jitensha Ebisu All-Purpose

[William R.]

Very nice bike and parts. And that crate is impressive!

Bill in Westchester, NY

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[RBW] FS: 8-Speed Cassette, Apex Crankset w/BB, Pair of Rich Lesnik built wheels and a couple of other individual wheels

[William R.]

Hi all. Taking advantage of time off during the holidays to go through my 
stuff and see what I need and don't need. The following items are for sale 
in the hopes of fueling various winter projects :-) All prices include 
shipping in CONUS via USPS. If you are outside of that area and are 
interested in any of this stuff, get in touch, we'll work something out. 
Feel free to contact me on or off list with any Q's. Hopefully all of my 
attachments show up. If not, I have photos of all that I can email. Thanks 
for looking and happy holidays! -Bill


1.) SRAM PG830 11-32 8-speed cassette. This saw very little use. It shows 
very little wear. $15


2.) SRAM Apex compact crankset. Includes GXP external type bottom bracket. 
Crank arms are 175. Chainrings are 50/34. I had this on my Sam H. for a 
while. I assume it will fit on most Rivs. This crankset has seen pretty 
heavy use. All kinds of little cosmetic things going on, but it functions 
beautifully. Chainrings are showing some wear. $65


3.) Pair of 700c 32h LX hubs, Synergy rims built by Rich Lesnick at Riv. 
These saw light use and are in very good shape. Includes skewers and rim 
strips. $230


4.) One rear wheel: 700c 36h LX hub, Mavic A319 rim. Includes skewer and 
rim strip. This is a machine built wheel from Harris Cyclery and I got the 
$20 check over that Harris offers when you buy these. Good wheel. Many more 
miles in it for anyone comfortable with a spoke wrench. Not that it needs 
anything now. $85


5.) One front wheel: 700c Mavic Aksium. 20 radially laced, bladed spokes. 
This is a surprisingly strong, light-weight wheel that I have kept around 
as a spare and used on occasion with no problems. I usually ran Jack Browns 
on this and it felt great. It is perfectly true. Can't say I had the same 
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[RBW] FS: 8-Speed Cassette, Apex Crankset w/BB, Pair of Rich Lesnik built wheels and a couple of other individual wheels

[William R.]

Update: the cassette and Rich built wheelset are spoken for. The other two 
wheels and the crankset are still available.

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[RBW] Cable End Soldering

[William R.]

I have been using heat shrink wiring insulators for a while now with nice 
results. About an inch of it at each cable end. Extending over the end about an 
eighth of an inch. Nice, clean and safe.

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[RBW] Ultra dark chocolate, Grant style

[William R.]

That's funny, I did the same thing last night, right down to the salted 
macadamias! Now I have a large ziplock back full of very dark chocolate in the 
freezer. I read Patrick's recipe last week and tried that too. I found that 
Grants recipe gave similar results but a lot more! There's a lot of sugar free 
chocolate in my freezer now. I used xylitol as the sweetener last night. One 
heaping tablespoon and it's still not very sweet. But I have found that it 
still really takes care of my chocolate craving yet I don't need to eat very 
much to cover my needs. I think I might make some whipped cream at some point 
and combine that with this chocolate as a nice dessert.

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[RBW] Re: Hip Replacement (not much Riv content)

[William R.]

I don't post much but I follow everything. Glad you are up and riding again 
Bob. Your island photos are terrific too!

-Bill

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[RBW] Re: If you were going to go out and buy a fully modern contemporary bike, what would it be?

[William R.]

This Niner RLT 9 is a cool bike no doubt. It tugs at several of my strings. 
I've gone back and looked at it several times. Did it again today having 
read this post. I went and looked at Bike Rumors review Bike Rumor Niner 
RLT 9 Review 
. 
But... you don't need to read into that review too deeply before you get to 
suggestions of carbon bars and flexible seat posts to get away from the 
jariness of the aluminum frame. Correct me but I don't think a rock-hard 
aluminum frame will never "plane". It will never have a nice, compliant 
ride, and it will never give you the feedback and comfort of a good steel, 
ti or even carbon frame. I dream of Calfee's too. And Co-Motions, Maps, 
AHH's and Black Mountain Monster Cross's. Dreamin' is good!

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[RBW] new chain

[William R.]

Just installed a new chain (kmc 9 speed) on my Soma Grand Randonneur (Riv 
content: noodles, nitto stem, brooks saddle, velocity/atlas wheels, brand v 
bag, newbaums, brakes all from Riv!). My question is that I want to try to run 
the chain with only the factory lube. It's been said here that the chain holds 
up well this way. But as time goes by and the miles add up, how do I maintain 
the chain and keep it clean? Thanks for any tips and tricks anyone can give for 
this. -Bill

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[RBW] new chain

[William R.]

Ok thanks. I see, so it doesn't last too long, but while it does, enjoy it. 
Will do :-)

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[RBW] new chain

[William R.]

I will check the Sheldon site. I know this has been talked about. I am tryi ng 
to turn over a new leaf with my chain maintenance and replacement schedule. I 
just basically had to toss all of the drivetrain parts that touch the chain. 
Waited too long...

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[RBW] Re: new chain

[William R.]

Garth: I really over paid at $14.95 a chain! I got three at that price. Plan to 
change them out every 1000 miles. Now that I have the super-nice Rene Herse 
crankset and also very nice SRAM 9-speed cassette. Not sure which model but it 
has a solid red sleeve for the six largest cogs. Really quiet and solid. I 
really want the teeth on these two items to last as long as possible! What I 
have done for the longest time is use wd40 on my chain before every ride. A 
good soaking and a good wipe. This has worked well. Almost too well as my 
chains last so long without any big problems that I haven't really paid 
attention to wear as much as I should. You should see the teeth on my old Apex 
crank. The teeth are all worn down to points! 

Well, I rode the new chain 50+ miles this morning on only the factory lube. I 
guess I will do the same for as long as I can take it. Then I will go back to 
my tried and true wd40 method.

-Bill

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[RBW] Re: new chain

[William R.]

Thanks Ted. Now I'm going to open the can of worms! What do all of you out 
there consider to be "good chain lubes"? I have used White Lightning 
(didn't like it), Tri-Flow (like it, have some, is this a good one?), T9 
(have some, not my favorite, seems to attract dirt more than the others)

-Bill

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Re: [RBW] Re: new chain

[William R.]

Thanks Patrick. Chain saw oil. I have some. When I do put something on this new 
chain maybe I will try that first. And wipe it very well.

Only one ride on this KMC chain. It feels very nice. Shifts cleanly. I notice 
no difference compared to the SRAM chains I've been using except this has that 
nice new chain feel to it. :-)

-Bill

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[RBW] Re-Introduction

[William R.]

Hi all. I don't post here too often. Mostly read the great Riv news and info 
posted here. But I just changed my id from Will to William R. I noticed that 
there is another Will. I used to be Nagomano but at one point somebody 
suggested that we try to use our proper names. There was already a Bill or two 
and at least one William, so I chose Will. But of course there is another Will! 
And so, with respect to all the other Bills/Wills/Williams I've gone and made 
it William R. That's what I will go as until another William R. comes along at 
which point I will add more letters from my last name! I love my blue Sam and I 
get most of my cycling info from this group. Just wanted to give everyone an 
idea of who I am and who I was and why. It's good to be a Riv owner and a 
member of this group.

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Re: [RBW] Re-Introduction

[William R.]

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> Here you go. Hopefully this works. In the wilds of the Maryland Shore, 
> Westchester Co., New York and NYC. Currently in the process of converting 
> to Albatross upright, bar-end set up!
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[RBW] Re: Re-Introduction

[William R.]

I agree the brifters were fun and cool. I had shimano sti and campy ergo on 
bikes in times past. Wanted to try the sram stuff. Ultimately I decided to 
go back to downtube friction via Paddy-the-Peddlers adapter. Now soon to go 
on the ends of Alba's. It's all good fun. I guess I am one of those people 
that switches things around a lot! Ha ha: every time I do though I am 
thinking that this is the way it will be forever... Right... I'm fairly 
certain now after going back and forth a couple of times that I want to be 
all friction all the time. I've gotten very comfortable with it and I enjoy 
the extra movement that it promotes. So now it's like this:




On Thursday, April 18, 2013 12:35:33 PM UTC-4, Michael wrote:
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>> Nice bike.
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Re: [RBW] Re-Introduction

[William R.]

Hi Dave. It's a Zimbale saddle bag, which I have come to realize is an Asian 
(Korea?) company that basically copies Carradice. I have some remorse over that 
(not the Asian part, the copying of Carradice). I take solace in the fact the 
saddle bag seems to me to be their one bag that I couldn't find their 
inspiration for. So maybe it's an original design? If you do a search for 
Zimbale you will find these bags at low cost but limited availability. Last 
time I checked, the company didn't seem to be thriving, I think that might be 
because of their grey-ish market existence. FWIW: it's bigger than the Brand V 
saddle bag that I also have on my other bike and like, but smaller than most 
other dedicated saddlebags that Carradice and others make with additional 
pockets. -Bill

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Re: [RBW] Re: Yet another post on shimmy

[William R.]

I'm sorry to hear you are having this experience with your Sam H. I too am a 
60cm Sam owner. In fact, I've had two: first an orange single tt canti version, 
and now a double tt blue side pull variant. I have never experienced any shimmy 
or wobble on either. Actually, my experiencd has always been the opposite. The 
Sam H's have been the smoothest, stable-est, most wonderful bikes to ride that 
I have ever had the pleasure to ride. However, I have only ever had small 
saddle bags with light loads in them. One of my greatest pleasures during a 
ride is the ability, on a descent, to momentarily take my hands off the bars to 
open and take a pull from my bottle. I'm always struck by the frames stability 
at those times. In crosswinds even! No matter... I wonder if its possible that 
your particular frame could have an alignment issue develop for one reason or 
another? Maybe worth considering if you can't solve it moving things around. 
Maybe have your LBS check it out.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Yet another post on shimmy

[William R.]

Hi John. Sounds like you have a lot of things you can try this weekend to try 
to solve your issue. In addition to considering getting your alignment checked, 
I would also suggest the headset too. The headset that Riv sent with my frame 
went indexed steering on me in short order. I wasn't comfortable taking my 
hands off the bars until I put a King headset on. Smooth sailing. Getting back 
to you on the single tt vs double tt: there are some nuances that I've noticed. 
Mostly it is a small degree stiffer. I run my tires a bit softer because of 
that. It's not issue-worth-mentioning really. On the plus side I find the bike 
easier to portage with the lower tt. The bike is more balanced as I run or walk 
with it. It's a nice feeling with the bike on my shoulder just holding the stem 
lightly with the same hand. The other hand free for balance while crossing 
un-rideable obstacles and such. The biggest deal for me was the brakes. I 
really didn't like messing with the canti's on the original. It seemed like 
every time I touched them it took me an hour to get them back into adjustment! 
I pined for one of Rivs bikes with the silver brakes on them. When Grant had 
that initial special on the "bleu" Sams I jumped at it. All is well now. I hope 
you can get everything set up to your liking with yours.

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[RBW] Cycling computers

[William R.]

Hi John. Do you have a smart phone by any chance? If so and if you already take 
yours with you when you ride then you already have a cycle computer. I use a 
app called Cyclemeter but there are many more options out there. I turn it on 
when I head out on a ride, put in my bag and forget it. But you could get a 
handlebar mount for your phone and go that way. These apps are so intuitive 
they make traditional cycle computers obsolete. Nothing against not having a 
smart phone of course. There are great deals out there on the more traditional 
cycle computers. My most recent experience is with a Cateye Wireless. I wasn't 
happy with it. Very confusing to program. If I were going that route I would 
look for a cheap, wired Avocet 35 from back in the 90's. I found their 
operation simple. Never needed all the cadence and heart rate stuff.

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[RBW] Sugino Triple Cranks on Sam H.

[William R.]

Hi all. I am planning on installing a Sugino XD2 triple crankset that Riv sells 
on my Sam H. I am trying to figure out if an IRD bottom bracket with a 110mm 
spindle that I have will work for this application. I went looking for the XD2 
bb size on Sheldon Brown, but it wasn't listed. There are XD600, 500 and 300 
but no XD2. Is the XD2 the same as one of those? For those cranks lists larger 
spindle lengths but then says that 107mm will work in some situations. I could 
have sworn that somewhere on the Riv site it says that 110mm bb is the right 
size. But I can't find that now. Can anyone set me straight? Thanks.

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Re: [RBW] Sugino Triple Cranks on Sam H.

[William R.]

Thanks. I knew it was in there somewhere. I guess I will start with the 110 
that I have on hand. Should be fine. 

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[RBW] FS: Waterford RSE-22 F/F/HS with problems

[William R.]

Whoa! I'll say that crack looks structural! You said that you contacted a frame 
builder. But did you contact THE frambuilder? Even if you are not the original 
owner, Waterford may stand behind their product and give you a more reasonable 
repair cost. I realize you may be past that point. Just a FWIW thought.

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[RBW] FS Samuel Hillborne 60cm (nearly) complete

[William R.]

I've decided to try and see if there is any interest in my 60cm Sam. It's 
one of the blue beauties that I've had for a year. Frame bought straight 
from Riv. I built it up myself. It's a bit of an ecclectic build with the 
vintage Suntour Mountech derailleurs, but it all works sweet. Chris King 
headset. Albas with Dia Comp (Silver internals) friction shifters out on 
the ends of the bars. The photos show the bars without grips but they are 
wrapped with shellacked burgundy Neubaums over Cinelli cork (nice) just on 
the ends between the brake levers and the shifters. The stem is 12cm Velo 
Orange with stem adapter which makes it easy to switch the bars out. Chain, 
8-speed (12-34) cassette, IRD bottom bracket and Sugino XD600 triple 
crankset (26-36-46t, 175 length) are all new. Wheels are Mavic A317's laced 
to Shimano LX hubs (36h). Straight and true, less than a year old. Tires 
are Schwalbe Marathon Racers 38's with less than 500 miles on them. They 
look new. SKS silver fenders with reflective 3m tape are included. Disclaimer: 
the rear derailleur is limited to the top four gears in the little front 
chainring and the bottom four gears in the big front chainring. Middle ring 
shifts the full range. I've enjoyed this as it teaches good 
anti-cross-chaining skills and those unreachable gears are overlap anyways. 
Disclaimer #2: under the tape and twine chainstay protector on the drive 
side are some obligatory minor chain slap chips. They are small. No dents 
anywhere. No other chips, dents, scratches. Things shown in the photos that 
are not included: saddle, saddle bag, bottle, bottle cages, light, bell and 
pedals. I guess they are negotiable. If you want any of those things 
included let me know. It's a beautiful bike. The only reason I am looking 
to sell is that I recently added a new bike to my stable with the knowledge 
that I would have to let one go. Space restrictions, an understanding wife 
(within reason) and two kids...  Please email off list with any questions 
or for larger or additional photo files. I would like to find someone local 
in the New York Metro area to buy it. I live in southern Westchester Co. 
just north of the city. Interested parties on this list are welcome to come 
and test ride it. I will certainly consider shipping. We just need to 
figure out the particulars of that. I don't trust my packing skills. Let me 
know if you are interested. As far as price goes: I will entertain any 
realistic offers. Lets talk! 


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Re: [RBW] FS Samuel Hillborne 60cm (nearly) complete

[William R.]

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Re: [RBW] Brooks Cambium C-17 First Look

[William R.]

This is funny. Last year, right about this time, it was when Rapha had just 
introduced their new shoes made out of Yak leather. I was peacefully riding my 
B17'ed Sam when approached from behind by a large group of fast/racer types. As 
the group sped by me, a guy on a Colnago yelled for everyone to lookout for 
"Yak butter". It has stayed with me as the epitome of fredish brilliance!

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[RBW] Albatross or Noodles - Help Me Decide

[William R.]

Hey Johnny. Just as the 48 Noodles were a revelation for me, the Alba's have 
been too more recently. I have the two different set ups on two different 
bikes. If you can't do two bikes then I agree with having the two cockpits set 
up for swapping out. It's a lot of fun switching back and forth. I ride similar 
routes all the time on both bikes and my ride time differences are negligable. 
Sometimes I am faster on the heavier Sam with Alba's so go figure. I've been 
enjoying my rides on the Alba'd Sam so much in fact, that I'm kicking myself 
for ever considering selling it. It's a blast. Did a pretty fast 90 mile ride 
on it a couple weeks ago. No problems. 

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[RBW] Does your upstroke knee break the plane of your Alba bar ends?

[William R.]

Hi Michael. I'm not around my Sam right now to check for sure, but I don't 
think my knees break that plane. I've got my Albas turned down a bit and even 
have my shifters mounted on the bar ends, but I can't remember ever touching 
any part of that setup with my knee. One thing I have noticed that I do when 
making tight u-ies is I open my legs wide to hold my balance at low speed. This 
also serves to prevent any contact with the bars. The Albas are great and I 
also enjoy the scenery. It's a nice alternative to my Black Mountain Road that 
I have set up with Noodles. It's really fun switching back and forth between 
the two set ups. Enjoy the ride!

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[RBW] FS: Nitto & Pletsher Racks, Long Boards, Clamp-on DT Shifter Adapter

[William R.]

A few things that I think some here might be interested in. All prices 
include USPS First Class Shipping in CONUS. If you are outside that area 
and are interested, please contact me off list so we can talk about 
shipping costs. All inquiries welcome. PayPal only please. All items come 
just as shown in photos. Follow link to photos. Let me know if you need to 
see more. Thanks. 

1.) Nitto R-14 Top Rack. Brand new. Came on my wife's Betty. She took it 
off right away. $100

2.) Pletscher Rat Trap Rack. Very little used. $25

3.) Clamp on down tube shifter bosses. These are Paddy-the-Peddlers 
excellent design using a stainless Norma clamp. Looks great and works 
great. I had these on my Sam. 31.8mm diameter. I think these would fit most 
Rivs that don't have DT shifter bosses brazed on already. Certainly all 
Sams. $25

4.) SKS Longboard Fenders P45s. Cream. Pair. Light use. $30

Hopefully the photos will show up below. Let me know if you would like to 
see more and I will email them.

-Bill

Nitto:





Pletscher





DT Shifter Adapter:



Longboards:



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[RBW] FS: Nitto & Pletsher Racks, Long Boards, Clamp-on DT Shifter Adapter

[William R.]

Longboards are spoken for. Everything else is still available.

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[RBW] FS: Nitto & Pletsher Racks, Long Boards, Clamp-on DT Shifter Adapter

[William R.]

More on the Nitto R14 top rack. It came up if the stays were cut. And they have 
been to fit a smaller 650 Betty Foy. It's a 53 I think. I measured the length 
and they are 31.5cm with maybe a centimeter of adjustment available. I held 
them up to my 60cm Sam and no way would it fit. So get it if you have a smaller 
frame or I would consider letting it go for less to offset the cost of new 
stays. -Bill

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[RBW] FS: Nitto & Pletsher Racks, Long Boards, Clamp-on DT Shifter Adapter

[William R.]

Clamp on downtube shifter bosses are sold.

The two racks are still available.

-Bill

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[RBW] Grant is a marketing genius

[William R.]

I agree! And he's building up a lot of great anticipation. How badly do we want 
to see all of these new items! Also, in Daves email sent yesterday, he mentions 
four bikes that Sam H. Is going away in support of: Appaloosa, Clementine 
(assumed affectionate nick name for Clem Smith), Buffalo and Roadini? Is 
Roadini another affectionate in house nick name for the Roadeo? But why would 
the Sam H need to get out of the way for Roadeo?

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[RBW] Lars AndersEn archery on the Blug

[William R.]

Bike, Book, Bow & Hatchet? I've watched that video a few times. Amazing. And 
Lars is certainly take a "Rivish" approach to archery.

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[RBW] Anyone order a Joe?

[William R.]

Everything about the Joe works for me so I went ahead and pulled that trigger 
on a 55! If I am reading the receipt correctly (there is a 0003 on there) I got 
the third one or the third 55?

I don't have any problem waiting to March to get it. The little mysteries of 
the design, color and parts that remain are just fuel on the anticipation fire 
that will warm me all winter!

Bill (stoked in Westchester, NY)

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[RBW] Anyone order a Joe?

[William R.]

Hey Chris, how did you find out how many 55's were left? Is that posted 
somewhere or did you talk to Riv? Just wondering because those would be 
interesting numbers to know. I wonder if Riv would/could extend quantities to, 
say 20 in certain sizes if 10 sold really fast. I also wonder what would happen 
if they did not sell 10 in any sizes. How that would effect things.

-Bill (wondering in Westchester, NY)

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[RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?

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Ah, I see, thanks David!

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[RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?

[William R.]

Hey Patrick, I'm in the same boat as you, I'm an 87 pbh and I ordered the 55. I 
don't doubt my choice though. I don't think you can go wrong either way but 
I've got my reason for going with the 55. In the not too distant past I was a 
big frame guy. I went with two 60cm Sams. An orange canti brake version, and 
later a blue, double tt, silver side pull version. Barely a fist of seat post 
showing on those babies! And they rode like caddies! I could do things no hands 
on those bikes that no sane person should do! I miss that orange Sam the most. 
I still have and will keep my big 60cm VO Polyvalent. I'm not expecting the 55 
Joe to behave drastically different than the 60 Sam's or the 58 Joe. Just 
perhaps a little more nimble. I am sure that when I first get it I will ride it 
everywhere but I'm really getting it to fill the mixed terrain/dirt road/trail 
rider role. A few blug posts back was the 54cm Hunqapillar 1x11 that Mark 
built. I thought that would have worked great for me too. Not too small. The 
price tag would have been almost twice what this deal on the Joe is and I think 
the 55 will do just fine in that role. If you are unsure of your choice just 
give them a call. They will point out all of the pros and cons (if any) of 
choosing one size or the other.

best, 

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[RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?

[William R.]

Ok... so after a week or so of thinking it over, measuring myself and 
measuring again. Realizing I'm really an 88 pbh. Fretting over choosing a 
55 and knowing that I really want a Riv designed by Grant to ride like a 
Riv. On many surfaces, many distances, many different kinds of loads and 
lack of. After all those thoughts I got in touch with Grant and he 
confirmed what I was thinking (and I confirmed that previously I wasn't 
thinking!) that the 58 Appaloosa will be the right size for me. Dave 
changed my order and I'm now getting a 58 Appaloosa! Sorry to the group for 
stating my case with such conviction and then changing my mind. I hope I 
didn't cause anyone to make similar sizing decisions. Good news is there 
seems to be a little time to change minds!

Bill in Westchester, NY

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[RBW] Re: What length Silver Cranks came on your Clem?

[William R.]

Grant had this to say in July:

"I am excited about our SILVER crank. It may, in fact, be perfect. It’ll 
come on the CLEM (with CLEMMISH chainrings), and then on the APPA, and 
we’ll have it available for sale, too. In the Spring. As a triple with 43 x 
35 x 24  rings, and as a double with 38 x 24 rings. In 170, 173, 178, and 
182 lengths…is the plan."

I wonder what length will be spec'ed on my 58 Appaloosa. Probably 173 or 
178, either of which I will be fine with.

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[RBW] Re: The Mysterious Homer

[William R.]

That's awesome. I don't recall seeing that before. Get one if you can!

Bill in Westchester, NY

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[RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?

[William R.]

I envy you folks that live within visiting range of Riv. If any one goes to 
test ride that proto-Appaloosa, it would be great to hear your thoughts on it. 
You could probably test Sams for size and Cheviots for the long chain stay ride 
quality and get a good feel for it that way too. Any additional info they gave 
you would certainly be welcome here.

Bill in Westchester, NY

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[RBW] Re: Show me your Garage/Workshop/Cave/Storage Spaces

[William R.]

Hi. I really enjoy looking at everyone's garage/spaces! Terrific, inspiring 
stuff! I figure I will show my space/cave. A bit embarrassed to show this 
working mess! But, you know, it's the one area in my life where I don't 
have to adhere to anyone else's rules. So this is what happens! Once or 
twice a year I will thoroughly clean and organize. Then it slowly works 
itself back to this natural state. Our little family is packed into this 
house that has no garage. So when we first bought it and moved in I staked 
my claim on this corner of the basement. Bikes shown are 1x9 Soma GR w/SB 
Hills, VO Poly V, Trek "Cruiser" (my one bike I don't mind being called 
that!), my wife's Betty Foy, son's Isla, son's old Kona now my daughters 
bike (soon to be festooned with pink grips, saddle and pedals!). Still, 
plenty of room for Joe Appaloosa! Take all this as a warning for what could 
happen to you. Or a dream depending on your point of view.

Bill in Westchester, NY







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[RBW] A snowy Clem

[William R.]

Great build David, and great photos, the natural lighting really shows the blue 
in it's best... light. Enjoy it. Clem's growing on me too, what a sweet, Riv 
bargain!

Bill in rainy Westchester, NY

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[RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?

[William R.]

Oh yes, very happy to see that butterscotch! That will be my choice! And to all 
of you out there thinking about it, give in to Rivs eternal scales of decision 
where on one hand there are needs and on the other reside wants!

Bill in Westchester, NY

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?

[William R.]

Thanks for posting these pics Patrick. This is the best look at the Choco Moose 
bar yet. It looks like Grant put a lot of thought into providing a really 
comfortable pocket grip area forward of the levers. I will echo the sentiment 
that I am looking more and more forward to getting my hands on this bar and the 
whole bike! In the mean time I'm getting ready to head out on any early morning 
ride on my Soma GR which I am using as a test bed for tires for the Joe 
Appaloosa. As much as I can at least. Last night I swapped out the Switchback 
Hills for 50mm wide  Schwalbe Big Bens. Trying to decide if Marathon Almotions 
that come 55mm width will be candidates for the Joe. 

Bill in drizzly but clearing Westchester, NY

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Re: [RBW] Non-Schwalbe Tire Recommendations for Large Clem.

[William R.]

Hi David and Patrick,

How about the Continental Speed King? It is a high performance, light 
weight, hard pack MTB tire like the Furious Fred. It comes in 622-55, so a 
little bigger than the FF, I'm looking at it as a potential tire for my up 
coming Joe Appaloosa. These tires are light and fast and perhaps a little 
vulnerable/not as long lasting as others? Don't really know, but their tech 
specs look good (fast!), anybody have experience with the Speed Kings?

Bill in Westchester, NY

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[RBW] Is Joe the evolved Sam?

[William R.]

Hey John, I think you're onto something there. The Joe and the Sam have a lot 
of similarities. I wouldn't be surprised if the tubing were the same or very 
close to the Sam's. And they are being built in the same facility. But I think 
the geometry will put it in its own model designation. In some ways maybe it 
could be called a Sam "plus". But the fact that it will really be a longer, 
upright bar bike like the Clem puts it off on its own. And I'm sure we will see 
more Sam's at some point. I hope we do. BTW: the Joe pre sale officially ends 
today.

Bill in Westchester, NY

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[RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?

[William R.]

I'm putting more stock in Rivs outdoor, natural light logshots. This looks like 
bad fluorescent factory lighting and bad camera-phone. I mean look at the head 
tube angle compared to the seat tube. On a frame where stated angles are 72 and 
71.5. Not a great photo. Don't worry, it's going to be great!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?

[William R.]

Hi Andrew. Short answer is no. The only thing close to the final Joe Apploosa 
that we will get in Feb/March is the 55cm Proto Appaloosa that was featured in 
the Blug announcement. And that frames geo doesn't really correspond to the 
final geo provided. If I were close enough to Riv HQ I think you could go test 
a Cheviot for long chain stay feel and a Sam for size and they would give you a 
pretty good idea.

Bill in Westchester, NY

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?

[William R.]

Yes! Very nice. Digging those Conti Retro Ride tires. I wonder if those are 
the 2.0" or 2.2" versions. I would be all set if it came with the latter 
(or something comparable) instead of the spec'ed Kenda's that I will be 
replacing immediately. But yeah... it looks great.

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Re: [RBW] Thunder Burts and Snow

[William R.]

Hi Deacon and Patrick: what do you think of the Thunder Burts as a mixed 
terrain tire on pavement to get to the dirt roads and trails? Nothing too 
technical, mostly smooth packed dirt. I'm talking 5-10 miles on the road 
and mixed use paths to get there though. Are they a buzzy compromise there 
or does their light weight and suppleness have them feeling fast on 
pavement? I'm trying to decide what to outfit my Appaloosa with when it 
comes. I'm thinking all over the place from Big Bens (fast on pavement, but 
heavier and less supple) to the liteskin TBs maxing out the width around 
55mm.

Bill in finally some seasonable cold but no snow yet Westchester, NY

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Re: [RBW] Thunder Burts and Snow

[William R.]

Yes, I meant both of you! Thanks for the feedback. I will check out the 
Icons too Dave.

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Re: [RBW] Thunder Burts and Snow

[William R.]

I mean Patrick! Dang. I was thinking Dave originally mentioned the Icons.

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Re: [RBW] Thunder Burts and Snow

[William R.]

Thanks for those glowing endorsements of the T-Burts. I don't intend to ride 
them in the snow. No issues there. Great photos Deacon! 

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Re: [RBW] Thunder Burts and Snow

[William R.]

Thanks Brian. I am honing in on the Thunder Burts right now. They fit within 
Grants max tire width of 55mm on the Joe Appaloosa that I will be getting. I 
would be very interested in Super Moto's if I thought there would be enough 
room for them. It's all a bit of hand wringing at this point as I am sure I 
will wait until the bike is delivered. Then I can measure and make a final 
decision. Until then there's a carousel of tires spinning around in my head!

Btw: great review of your Hilsen. Enjoyed it.

Bill in Westchester, NY

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[RBW] Re: A cool SILVER component they should make.

[William R.]

hi Lungimsam,

Search on eBay for Paddy The Pedaller Bicycles. He makes nice, silver down tube 
shifter adapters. I bought from him back in '10 for my Sam H. Worked 
beautifully. I would send photos of mine and a link if I weren't out on my I 
phone.

Bill in Westchester, NY

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[RBW] FS/FT: Brooks, Albatross, Technomic, Patagonia, Zefal, Sunrace, Jandd,

[William R.]

Hi. What length is the Zefal HPX 3? If you are nut sure a measurement in inches 
or cm would let me know. And/or what size frame it was fitting on for you. 
Thanks.

Bill in Westchester, NY

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[RBW] Re: FS/FT: Brooks, Albatross, Technomic, Patagonia, Zefal, Sunrace, Jandd,

[William R.]

Ah, I see, thanks. Which is why mine is a #4! Duh, I thought it was a model 
number. It's too small for my application. Thanks anyway. -Bill

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[RBW] FS: Roadini 57cm Grilver (nearly) complete build $2200

[William R.]

With a little reluctance I've decided to sell my Leo Roadini. It is a 
lovely bike, but it is proving to be a rough summer financially in my 
household, so I've decided to let it go. I take solace in the fact that my 
Appaloosa will handle just about all of my needs. I had a lot of fun 
building this Roadini up last fall, but since then I have ridden it less 
than 500 miles, and I've put much more on the Joe.

I built it up with a mix of new and used parts. The Velocity A23/105 
wheelset is new with the build, as are the brake levers and calipers, Paul 
Racer Medium in the front and Shimano Ultegra level in back. This was what 
it took to clear the lovely Compass Barlow Pass tires (700x38). The bike 
rides so nicely with these tires! The Compass/Rene Herse Crankset has been 
around on a couple other builds, but it and the SKF bottom bracket are 
beautiful. The XT rear mech is the oldest part on the bike, but you 
wouldn't know it. The drive train performs flawlessly. The chain was new 
with the build. The Simplex Retrofriction shifters are the bees knees. 48cm 
wide Noodles. It is a great, light, go anywhere road bike. I am 6'1" with a 
87pbh and it fits me perfectly.

Comes as shown in the attached photos except it does not include saddle, 
pedals, bell, bag and click fix front adapter which is on the bike in the 
last photo. I can send more photos on request.

I would love to find someone in the New York City metro area to hand this 
off to. With that said, I will ship at the buyers expense in addition to 
the sale price.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Roadini 57cm Grilver (nearly) complete build $2200

[William R.]

Hi Raymond,

Sorry it took me so long to respond! Yes, I am asking $2200. And yes, it is 
a beautiful bike.

I know that my original post said I was mostly looking to sell to someone 
local and avoid shipping. But I will "bump" this sale now and say that 
$2200 is the sale price shipped to the continental US. I will pack it 
myself. I have done this many times and am good at it. But, if you wish to 
have it professional packed, you would need to pay one of my local shops to 
do that and then I will pay the actual shipping. For anyone interested 
local to my area with no shipping, the price is now $2100. 

I've been meaning to take more photos of the bike as the buyer would 
receive it. In lieu of that please know that the price does not include the 
saddle and does not include any bags, pedals, bottles & bottle cages, bells 
or electronics that are on the bike in the photos in the original post.

All questions welcome and thanks for your interest.

Bill in Westchester, NY

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[RBW] Re: Dynamo Lights - Sinewave, IQX, Schmidt?

[William R.]

I use one of the B&M Icon Core rechargeable lights that I bought from Peter 
2-3 years ago. It is a great light that is going strong despite heavy use 
and abuse. It does have a narrow yet long shaped beam. When riding on area 
paths and trails in total darkness I like to pair it with an older Nite 
Rider MiNute 600 rechargeable. I am very sensitive to bothering others with 
its symmetrical beam though. I keep it pointed down to just light up the 
area directly out in front as I ride. These two lights used in tandem on 
their lowest settings provide plenty of long lasting light and security 
while riding in total darkness for me. But yeah, as soon as I'm back on the 
roads and just need to be seen, I turn the Nite Rider off.

Bill in Westchester, NY

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse crank wobble/deflection issue(?)

[William R.]

I've been following this thread and I'm surprised that we haven't heard 
from Jan himself. I can share my experience and what I learned going 
through it. When I first got my Rene Herse crankset and SKF bottom bracket 
three years ago, I had a similar experience where the crank was wobbling 
and I couldn't get the derailleur to trim silently. I would be riding and 
looking down, I could see that the crank wasn't running true. It was 
certainly frustrating considering how much money I had just spent! I 
contacted Compass directly and spoke (via email) with Jan himself. First 
off he stated how high the tolerances on the SKF bottom bracket and Herse 
crankset are and how super rare it would be for the spider to not be true. 
More likely was for the chainrings to get bent slightly in shipping and 
easily fixed on the bike with vise grips (with a towel to protect the 
beautiful finish of the rings) and lightly bending them back to true. Most 
likely (and what I was doing wrong) was that something was wrong with with 
the high tolerance of the interface between the crank and the SKF bottom 
bracket. It was coming loose slightly, just enough to put a little wobble 
in the rotation of the crank. To remedy this Jan told me that the interface 
between the crank and bottom bracket should be totally clean of any type of 
grease or lube and tightened to the correct torque. He suggested that I get 
one of the Herse "peanut butter knife" crank bolt wrenches (a knock off the 
old campy wrench for good reason). The length of wrench are ensures that 
you get the bolts in the proper area of torque with out over or under 
tightening. I did both things and haven't had a problem since. The problem 
can also develop when the high tolerance of a new Herse crankset is mated 
to a used and/or less high tolerance bottom bracket. If the interface 
issues between the crank and bb are not recognized and fixed early on, 
irepairable damage can be done to the crank.

Hope this is helpful.

Bill in Westchester, NY

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[RBW] Re: Roadkill intense increase in your area this week?

[William R.]

Hi Lum,

Yes, I have noticed an uptick for sure, up here in New York State just 
north of the city and also closer to where you are. My parents live on the 
Maryland shore and I was down there visiting and riding my Appaloosa this 
past weekend. The squirrels are very active right now and I saw many dead 
ones on the road, some of them spectacularly (and sadly) where I had to 
swing wide to avoid them fenderless. I also saw one deer, a possum, a 
turtle, and a few snakes (one quite large) all dead in the road. Surprised 
to see the deer, don't see too many down there dead or alive. My parents 
live in a quiet area away from the resorts and there is not usually that 
much road kill. It's pretty sad.

Up here in Westchester, County, New York there is also an uptick. There is 
a surprising amount of wildlife here. Lots of chipmunks, squirrels, 
rabbits, skunks, raccoons, possum, deer, foxes and yes, the coyotes to got 
with all of that food. I plan to chime in on Patrick Moore's coyote thread! 
And yes, just a really sad amount of road kill up here at this time. Lots 
of dead chipmonks on the MUP that I ride a lot, so they are getting hit by 
bikes. They are crazy though, zipping back and forth, between my wheels, I 
don't recall ever feeling that I made contact with one though...

Bill in Westchester, NY

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Jersey

[William R.]

An example of the real deal for sale can be found currently on eBay. No 
affiliation. Size small.

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F232959864082

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant's BLAHG: Gus Boots update: headbadge, etc.

[William R.]

Excited about the GUS. Especially the filet brazed version. Not sure if I 
will be able to afford one though. Is the difference between filet brazed 
and TIG'ed more than aesthetic? More excited about how the new shifters are 
coming along. I imagine I will get two sets when they become available. 
Thumbies on my Appaloosa and bar ends on my Roadini. They look really nice 
to me.

Bill in Westchester, NY

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[RBW] Seen on My instagram: 700x55 Compass slicks

[William R.]

Very interesting indeed Bill! That Instagram post wasn’t dated April 1? I 
wonder if these will fit on my Appaloosa. If my nominal 44mm Snoqualmie Pass 
tires measure actual width of 41mm, will the new 55s measure 50-51mm on the 
same rims (Atlas). I will be eager to find out. As it is, 53s (Maxxis Torch) 
and 54s (Thunderburts) easily fit on the Joe, but Big One’s at 60mm certainly 
did not. 55mm Compass may be the bees knees. 

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[RBW] Re: Seen on My instagram: 700x55 Compass slicks

[William R.]

Edwin: you won’t regret it. The Snoq’s are great on my Joe. Wear em out while 
we wait for this new size!

Bill in Westchester, NY

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[RBW] Re: ROADINI

[William R.]

Hi Kellie. I'm loving my 57cm Roadini. I agree with Austin's wife: it is 
super smooth typical Riv geometry characteristics and certainly not twitchy 
at all. Nice and light. As shown, it is about 27lbs, which is about 8lbs 
lighter than my Appaloosa. These two bikes are not redundant at all and 
have very separate purposes, I'm really enjoying both!

Build list:
48cm Noodles
Shimano Tiagra level levers
90mm Tallux stem
Simplex dt shift levers
Rene Herse crankset 46t/38t
XT RD
Can't remember which front derailleur off the top of my head
SKF 110mm BB
11-34 9-speed cassette
Brooks B-17 saddle
Paul Racer Medium front brake
Shimano Ultegra level rear side pull
Shimano 105 hubs laced to Velocity A23 rims 36h
Not sure which spokes
Compass Barlow Pass 700x38 tires
Neubaums green with clear shellac
Crank Bros. Candy 2 pedals

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[RBW] Re: ROADINI

[William R.]

The Paul Racer Medium front was necessary to make the 38s work. Plenty of 
clearance. I've been riding it a lot. They are great. Couple more clearance 
photos...

I believe the new Dia Comp center pull brake Riv is testing may provide the 
same clearance at a lower price point.

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[RBW] Re: Bill's 57cm Legolas build thread

[William R.]

Really nice Bill. I dig the color choice too. Will look forward to the full 
build and the reports from the kinds of rides you get up to on this Legolas.

I like Romans color too. And the mixed Neo Retros on his. I never thought 
of doing that, but I will now! Another thing I am noticing on Romans is 
that he has attached something that looks like a cable adjuster to the 
release connector on his front Neo Retro. That is a great idea: to attach 
some kind of handle there that facilitates pulling that release out. I 
carry pliers with me for that purpose. I love my Neo Retros on my 
Appaloosa, but releasing them can be a pain. I'm going to try something 
like that. I wonder if he spot welded that on there or just glued it with 
Gorilla glue or something. I may contact him, but thought you might know.

Enjoy the build!

Bill in Westchester, NY

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[RBW] Re: Bill's 57cm Legolas build thread

[William R.]

Ah, I see, more for adjustment. Very cool though. I will get a pair of 
those! Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: ROADINI

[William R.]

Hi Tom. Thanks. The A23 rear is not offset. The wheels are 36h front and rear 
and seem pretty solid. No problems. I like them a lot. I’m 225lbs and have 
Atlas rims on my Appaloosa. These are good so far. I’m pretty handy with a 
spoke wrench, but haven’t had to use it much on these so far. They are cheaper, 
machine built wheels, so that is saying something.

As far as DT shifters go, I agree with everything Eamon said. I will add that I 
really enjoy the movement that they encourage. I’m 52 and my back will be stiff 
post ride if I don’t move around enough. And I really just like the finesse 
required. I like making those little adjustments required with friction 
shifting too. It all adds to the experience. I’ve got thumb shifters right at 
the grips on the Joe. It’s really fun going back and forth between the two 
builds.

I’ve had all of the different shifters besides electronic and I’ve settled on 
these two types (dt and thumbies) for now. Good luck and have fun with the 
choices that you make.

Bill in Westchester, NY

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[RBW] Re: ROADINI

[William R.]

Tom: pressure front is 63psi and rear about 67 seems to be the sweet spot 
considering my weight. They seem nice and soft, but still hold up over the 
nasties, curbs and such.

Clearance front in the Paul Racer Medium at the top is the tightest at 4mm. The 
arms are super wide. Wider than the fork blades. Clearance to the fork blades 
is 4mm on both sides also. Maybe 3.5. Right in between those two marks.

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[RBW] Shadowfax Build (Hunqabeam Quickapillar)

[William R.]

Great write up and photos Patrick. It really does disappear into the shadows! 
The pin stripping along the shorelines of the lugs looks elegant and “Rivish”. 
Enjoy your “new” bike!

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[RBW] Re: New Atlantis Pre-sale page is up on rivbike.com

[William R.]

Oh man... I like that so much! I can't deal. My wife's going to kill me...

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[RBW] appaloosa tire fit

[William R.]

Hi Tom. I bought a pair of G Ones and tried them on my Joe. Didn’t even take it 
out of the stand. “Too close for comfort” is an accurate description.

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[RBW] Ride Report--La Ruta Loca 200k

[William R.]

Your ride reports keep getting better and better Bill. Very inspirational 
around an area where I lived for a brief spell (‘95-‘00). Was the circuitous 
route around Tiburon Paradise Drive? Pretty views indeed. Looking forward to 
the video. And... orange juice mixed with coke... sounds kind of yucky, but I 
will try anything once!

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[RBW] Re: Cracking paint or (gulp) cracking frame?

[William R.]

I once suspected that I had a cracked frame at the base of the seat tube in 
the area just above the lug in your first photo. I called the builder of 
the frame and they sent me to a shop that was local to me for inspection. 
The shop mechanic pulled the seat post out of the frame, grabbed a 
flashlight and pointed it down the seat tube while cupping his hand around 
the top of the seat post and the flashlight so no light would leak out 
there. They turned out the lights in the room and we could all clearly see 
the line of light leaking out at the area where I thought the crack was. It 
was a tig welded Reynolds 853 frame and the builder admitted that they had 
made some changes with the building process on the newer frames. Only frame 
I've ever had crack on me and I've always been north of 180lbs, at times 
well north! Anyway, maybe that method would work here too.

Bill in Westchester, NY

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[RBW] Banana Sax

[William R.]

Me likey! Is it me or would one of these work especially well on the front of 
my Appaloosa with Chocomooses? I think it will be great there. These look 
really good. Gotta get one!

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[RBW] Uphill Winds and Downhill Winds

[William R.]

I always enjoy reading your Grid posts Patrick. Another beautiful Colorado day 
despite, or enhanced, by the winds. Pretty impressive that you are now riding 
that terrain on fixed gear. I hope that coming storm is a doozy!

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[RBW] Lyli Herse, 1928 - 2018

[William R.]

So sorry to hear this news Jan. What a life Lyli Herse lived. I’m so glad that 
you were able to meet her, ride with her and share the incredible Herse story. 
That the Herse brand continues with such strong stewardship is heartening. 
Adieu Lyli Herse.

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[RBW] Torque spec for quil stem questions

[William R.]

I am very much a “by feel” kind of tech guy. It’s why I like steel so much. It 
allows you to operate in that manner as long as you are sensible and not a 
brute and know your tools. I have torque wrenches, the old fashioned kind where 
the arm bends and the arrow at the end points to the weight you are applying. I 
rarely use them these days except when I need to loosen some old, too tight 
part with a long arm for leverage. Mostly I have a Allen set that I got a long 
time ago that has longer than normal arms, but not too long. Tightening a nitto 
quill with one of these is perfect because it is impossible to over tighten 
without attaching some long arm to the Allen. Basically I just tighten until 
the wrench starts to hurt my hand alittle. Very unscientific! But I have never 
had a too loose or two tight issue using this method with metal parts.

I loved it when Jan at Compass came out with his “peanut butter knife” crank 
bolt wrench for his René Herse cranks. It is basically a copy of the classic 
Campagnolo tool. This tool fits perfectly around the crank bolt and is shaped 
specifically for optimal hand tightening of the crank bolt. Just tighten until 
your hand hurts and it is tight enough!

I would not use this method with m5 rack, bottle and fender bolts though! One 
could easily strip or snap those! I’m ginger with those.

My probably not too useful two cents on a cold Sunday morning nursing a cold.

Bill in Westchester, NY

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[RBW] Did you lose your Silver Roadeo?

[William R.]

Wow. I hope the owner reads this group. It may help to reach out to rivendell 
directly. They would possibly have records connecting the serial number to the 
owner.

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[RBW] Torque spec for quil stem questions

[William R.]

Nah, you can handle it, I’ve heard word of a branch of ogres in the CO hill 
country who have learned the delicate art of finesse.

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[RBW] Re: BMC Road vs Roadini

[William R.]

Daniel: my Roadini came with a seat post, as it seems others did. I was 
surprised to see the seatpost in there when I opened up the box. I thought I 
read in one of Grant’s posts that seatposts would not be included. Maybe they 
only had a certain amount.

Regarding tire clearance on the Roadini: I have found that 38 Compass Barlow 
Passes fit with a big BUT: you have to use a Paul Racer Medium brake on the 
front. And no fenders. Clearances are very good though.

I did have a BMC Road in the past and it was very nice indeed, but I agree with 
others that have suggested that it’s geo is more race geo oriented with shorter 
chainstays made it not quite as long haul comfortable and not as easy to get my 
position as upright as my 50’s body requires.

Bill in Westchester, NY

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell prices going up.

[William R.]

Oh man... I just want to add that Grant and Riv struggle to survive from 
year to year in this country that does not support small, successful, 
vibrant, loved, etc. companies like this. Riv employs a bunch of great, 
real people that answer the phone when you call. People who love the 
product just as much as we do. They ride it. They know it. There are a few 
companies that I know of that sell similar product. Some of them are one 
man businesses and/or businesses with fewer employees. I don't know how 
they do it. I respect them too. But Riv, because Grant has stuck to his 
guns always, and respects his employees, struggles at times to take care of 
them. I can and have and will continue to support this. The pricing 
increases seem reasonable to me. I have only ever had Taiwanese built Rivs. 
They have all been great. My Appaloosa is just... wow, the details on that 
frame, the ride quality, the incredible fork, long, sweet wheelbase, the 
lugs, the paint. I got the complete new from Riv for $2,100! Today... I 
don't know, I think it would still be an incredible deal at say $2,750... 
And now I have my Roadini, which again is just beautiful and a joy to ride. 
Grants design is just so spot on for my type of riding. So glad I found Riv 
(or they found me). For all of this and more I say great, really well 
thought out products at great prices. I'm not in a position to buy one of 
the Waterford frames or a custom. But yes, the gap in pricing is reduced, 
and Waterford mystifies me a little. If I were in that market, I would lean 
to the custom Nobilette side, but I feel that both are still really good 
values. The customs just got a little better. But enough blah drivel of 
this Riv fan boy.

Bill in Westchester, NY

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[RBW] Re: Are you using your real name on here?

[William R.]

I use my formal first name and first initial of my last. These are real. 
Then I sign with my more informal, what I go by of "Bill" and always say 
where I actually reside in Westchester, NY. That is the county that I live 
in. If someone really wanted to find me or mess with me they would have to 
figure out my last name and town/address. And then what a bust it would be, 
they would be so disappointed...

Bill in Westchester, NY

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[RBW] Re: Bullmoose vs. Choco-moose

[William R.]

The Chocomooses that came stock on my Appaloosa are bees knees perfect as 
far as I'm concerned. But I definitely don't ride much single track on 
mine. Dirt and that other stuff roads plenty. Rough, badly maintained MUPs, 
yes. The thing that is so great about this set up is how stable it all is. 
But for single track you will want more fast response maneuverability. I 
would say maybe standard Bullmooses may be the way for you to go. But then 
you need to consider that the Appa is designed for bars that sweep back 
with a longer top tube. Maybe a non-moose bar with the right length stem 
will enable you to dial in the reach better. I agree with Jeremy and others 
that are using Jones bars on their Appaloosa's. That might be an avenue for 
you to explore.

Bill in Westchester, NY

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Re: [RBW] OT: Lennard Zinn documents heart problem

[William R.]

No no Peter, you are absolutely not the only person on earth with this 
sensitivity. Our entire society is effected. counter intuitive food choices are 
shoved in our faces at every turn. Most say mmm, tastes good, I’ll take that. 
Few take your path and experiment and find out how healthy they can be and feel 
good. The medical establishment is helplessly entwined in a bull-headed system. 
The doctors are slaves to the big pharma and insurance machine. Many books, as 
I’m sure you know, have been written on this subject including EBDJ.

Bill in Westchester, NY

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[RBW] Riv request for store credits

[William R.]

Bought a few Hail Mary credits. Any time for Riv. 

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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[William R.]

So happy to read Grants email. Thankful that this drive was successful on the 
plus side. As Rivendell’s are built to last and be passed down to future 
generations, I would like Rivendell to be there for those future generations.


Curious if any of you who have talked to Riv about converting your credits to 
donations were successful?

Bill in Westchester, NY

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[RBW] Roadini build and first ride report!

[William R.]

Hi Ty. I will try to weigh it this weekend using my bath scale. But I’m 
guessing on experience that it will be right in the 25-26 pound range. That is 
with the saddlebag loaded with spares. Just right light for me and as I said 
there in my review, very noticeably lighter than my Appaloosa which is probably 
in the low 30’s. -Bill

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[RBW] Re: Eat Bacon Don't Jog--Goal set, goal met

[William R.]

Good to hear Bill, and very inspirational. I often wonder why EBDJ doesn't 
come up here more often. I'm sure most of us have read it, or at least are 
aware of it. However, I am also aware of how incendiary the subject can be, 
its definitely personal for many. With that said... Personally I've 
struggled with it. It is something that is almost constantly on my mind and 
something that I would very much like to be successful with. I'm heavier 
than I should be for sure and I yearn to live the healthier lifestyle that 
EBDJ promotes. Yet, I keep failing and falling off and gaining what I've 
lost back. And I bought and read the book right when it came out! How many 
years has it been? I was also reading a lot of the stuff that Grant was 
talking about before EBDJ came out like Gary Taubes' books. So I've been 
trying and failing for some time now. I don't know... there's a switch in 
my head that needs to be duct taped off or permanently removed! I keep 
trying though and what you have written here helps. Good on ya.

Bill in Westchester, NY

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