[RBW] Re: Bedrock Mountain Clogs in Stock!

[Tim Bantham]

I also sized up and feel happy with that decision. For reference I wear a 
size 11 in the Bedrock Cairn sandal and selected the 12 in the Mountain 
Clog. 

On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 12:53:58 PM UTC-4 Michael Ullmer wrote:

> I concur! I got mine over the weekend and went with a size 13, though I 
> usually wear size 11-12 in most shoes. I compared the length with the Size 
> 11 Crocs that these are replacing and the size 13 Mountain Clogs were the 
> same length.
>
> On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 11:22:04 AM UTC-5 Joe A. wrote:
>
>> I received mine and they are great. I can confirm that they run a little 
>> smaller than I expected for those that are still considering sizing. 
>>
>> On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 8:14:32 PM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I was so excited for the restock! I didn’t see the email before I took 
>>> my daughter to school. In those 30 or so minutes, my size was sold out in 
>>> the full leather. Hopefully I don’t have to wait another year for a 30 
>>> minute window. 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 4:05:09 AM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:
>>>
 I had reached out to supporr, here is what they said:  Most folks are 
 wearing the *same size in the Clogs and the Cairns, however I would 
 say if you have a more snug fit in your sandals (not much wiggle room), 
 you 
 may need to size up in the clogs. Hope this helps!*


 On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 9:45:32 PM UTC-4 Teague Scott wrote:

> Wow these are cool. Thanks for getting them on my radar. Wondering 
> whether sizing runs true to their sandals...
>
> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 1:29:47 PM UTC-6 Calvin Yolo wrote:
>
>> I had the leather ones and just purchased the green suede as a back 
>> up pair. I have a ton of miles walked in my first pair and I'll probably 
>> have these in rotation for as long as they make them.
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 9:25:26 AM UTC-7 Joe A. wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Riv Fam,
>>>
>>> For any of those curious about these clogs they're finally back in 
>>> stock. I snagged a pair of them in Nubuck Leather. Should be great for 
>>> fall 
>>> riding :)
>>>
>>> https://bedrocksandals.com/collections/bedrock-mountain-clogs
>>>
>>> Happy riding!
>>>
>>> - J
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Anna Purple

[Tim Bantham]

Curious what folks think of the Riv frames in purple. I personally am on 
the fence. I keep looking at it and can't decide if I would like it or not. 
I would be perfectly fine with any of the other Riv colors but the purple 
is a bit polarizing to me. Of course I am betting it looks great in person. 
Thoughts? 

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[RBW] Re: Anna Purple

[Tim Bantham]

I'm considering a Platypus and need a 60cm frame only. I love the Sergio 
Green but those are sold out. I too was trying to visualize how I could 
build it. I was thinking it would look really awesome with Paul Moto-Lites 
and Love Levers in the Pewter finish. . I feel like I should trust my 
instincts on this one and maybe wait for the next batch of frames. I want 
to love the color because I want the bike to be a keeper. 

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 9:41:09 AM UTC-5 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I just went and rode the purple test bike at Riv the other day. I had not 
> really considered a purple bike but I liked it better than I thought. 
> However it is a bit of a polarizing color... I started to figure out how I 
> would make that purple color work for me, but I doubt I could convince my 
> boyfriend to ride it in public. It's dark enough that I bet you could tone 
> the impact down by adding some anodized parts in a neutral... or you could 
> consider what I did with my last Platypus... I had it painted my favorite 
> color. 
>
> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 6:34:41 AM UTC-8 Tim Bantham wrote:
>
>> Curious what folks think of the Riv frames in purple. I personally am on 
>> the fence. I keep looking at it and can't decide if I would like it or not. 
>> I would be perfectly fine with any of the other Riv colors but the purple 
>> is a bit polarizing to me. Of course I am betting it looks great in person. 
>> Thoughts? 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Anna Purple

[Tim Bantham]

Funny. I was thinking that I like the purple on the Appaloosa. As they say 
beauty is in the eye of the beholder. 

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 11:43:53 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I'm not a fan at all but I do happen to think it looks great on the 
> Platypus frame. Not sure why that ones different for me but it is.
>
> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 11:35:26 AM UTC-5 Wesley wrote:
>
>> Purple is the best color, and this is a great purple. I love it.
>> -W
>>
>> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 6:34:41 AM UTC-8 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>
>>> Curious what folks think of the Riv frames in purple. I personally am on 
>>> the fence. I keep looking at it and can't decide if I would like it or not. 
>>> I would be perfectly fine with any of the other Riv colors but the purple 
>>> is a bit polarizing to me. Of course I am betting it looks great in person. 
>>> Thoughts? 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Anna Purple

[Tim Bantham]

Thanks Joe and my apologies to Ana. She's a great lady. Haven't heard from 
her on the Gram in a while. 


On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 1:28:36 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Also for the record, it's Ana. One N. 
>
> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 10:18:29 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> It's not my jam these days but it IS pretty, it reminds me of early-'90s 
>> Bridgestones. 
>>
>> But I'm not one to ask, my former "bright/loud colors are awesome" self 
>> has recently morphed into a lover of the Universal Grant Colors: various 
>> shades of blue and green. What's become of me?? 💙💚
>>
>> Joe "things have changed" Bernard 
>>
>> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 6:34:41 AM UTC-8 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>
>>> Curious what folks think of the Riv frames in purple. I personally am on 
>>> the fence. I keep looking at it and can't decide if I would like it or not. 
>>> I would be perfectly fine with any of the other Riv colors but the purple 
>>> is a bit polarizing to me. Of course I am betting it looks great in person. 
>>> Thoughts? 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] New Bike Day X2

[Tim Bantham]

Hello Riv Bunch, 

My first Riv was a 2TT Sam Hilborne that I purchased in 2017. I had an 
Appaloosa that I sold just over a year ago. I've regretted selling my Joe 
ever since. I even saw my old 2TT silver Appaloosa at this years Nutmeg 
Nor'Easter. I thought about offering to buy it back but I never did ask the 
new owner. I doubt he would have sold it back to me anyway. The only 
consolation is that the new owner told me that he loves the bike and rides 
it nearly every day. 

While at the NNE I saw so many cool Riv's. I was talking to fellow Riv 
Bunch member Justin Kennedy about his Platypus. My UBU (unresonable bike 
urge) has been in high gear ever since. 

I will soon become a proud Man on a Mixte and my 60cm Sergio Green complete 
will be on the way to me very soon. I'm going to change the bars right away 
to Billie's and will build a nicer wheelset with a Dyno hub before getting 
it on the road. I figured if Leah can own 3 Platypus's its got to be a good 
bike! I'm exciting for it's arrival and can't wait to ride it. 

The second inbound Riv is a A. Homer Hilsen frameset. I'm going to build 
the Homer up as a drop bar road bike keeping it rackless and light as 
possible. I am thinking about building it as a retro mod with downtube 
shifter and some older parts. I still need to decide on that. Anyway I 
thought I'd share the exciting news with fellow bike nerds. The Sam, Platy 
and AHH will give me a nice collection.  I am feeling very fortunate to be 
able to add two new bikes to my collection. N+2!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Who’s getting a Platypus tomorrow?

[Tim Bantham]

Oooohh. That looks lovely. I also ordered the Sergio's green. Tell me it 
looks better in person! 

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 8:30:37 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> Yes, Ithink it’s a beautiful build too. Choco moose bars?  I had them on 
> my Appa and loved them   What is on your seatpost?
>
> Roberta 
>
> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 4:14:32 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> That's a lovely bicycle, Dorothy 💚💚💚
>>
>> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 1:06:48 PM UTC-8 Dorothy C wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_0422.jpeg]Here’s mine with a lot of tranferred parts off a 
>>> 2019 45cm Clem
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 11:50:41 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Definitely try the Clem saddle first. It's promoted by Riv as an Actual 
 Good Saddle, and certainly a better option for a lockup bike than the 
 spiffy/pricey Brookses we all know and love around here. 

 On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 11:21:26 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:

> The website clearly says it comes with a saddle so I would give them a 
> call. It's described as the Clem saddle though and I found the saddle 
> that 
> came with my Clem to be nothing more than a courtesy saddle. If thats 
> what 
> it is I would highly suggest purchasing a better saddle that works well 
> for 
> you.
>
> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 2:00:58 PM UTC-5 SallyG wrote:
>
>> Hi Dorothy,
>>
>> Good question! 
>>
>> We didn't even open the box because our shop was just about to close 
>> and the owner was waiting for us...I didn't buy one, so I'm sure we'll 
>> get 
>> a phone call by Monday if there wasn't one in the box...and I'll alert 
>> you:) Maybe Will can send you one separately? I know it clearly stated 
>> there would be a saddle. 
>>
>> Sally
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 10:54 AM Dorothy C  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sally did your complete include a saddle? Will said there would be, 
>>> but I didn’t get one with mine
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 10:25:18 AM UTC-8 SallyG wrote:
>>>
 My husband's (okay, really, OUR) 50 cm purple Platy complete 
 arrived yesterday by UPS!

 We loaded it up asap to get it to our local bike shop before it 
 closed (not being as savvy mechanically as most of you all...but 
 equally 
 excited for sure:)... I'd already ordered the pedals, kickstand, tape, 
 twine, etc. 

 Xmas came early here in California! 

 Cheers to all...

 On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 9:50 AM Joe Bernard  
 wrote:

> It's so exciting! I can't wait to see your new Purple Platy and 
> all the other new bikes out there. Gosh, now I kinda wish *I* was 
> getting a 
> new frame... 🤔
>
> Joe " wishin' and hopin' " Bernard 
>
> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 5:47:48 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle 
> Ding Ding! wrote:
>
>> They are trickling in. Mine arrives Wednesday. I hope you get 
>> your wife’s in time! 
>>
>> On Dec 10, 2023, at 8:44 AM, Josh C  wrote:
>>
>> I was just going to ask if anyone had received theirs yet. 
>> Hoping to put my wife's under the tree...or near it I guess. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 1:52:52 PM UTC-4 Arthur Mayfield 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> My Mermaid Platypus 55 frame arrived today (apparently found in 
>>> their stock from last year). This is an *elegant* bike-to-be! 
>>> All you who ordered frames or bikes have a real treat coming! I’m 
>>> waiting 
>>> for wheels to be built, so plenty of time for frame-saving the 
>>> tubes and 
>>> ceramic coating the paint before building it up. I already had a 
>>> B-68 and 
>>> crankset, derailleurs, cassettes, brakes, stem, bars, racks, 
>>> fenders, etc, 
>>> so it will go together quickly when the wheels get here. I have a 
>>> blue Sam 
>>> 52 (caliper brakes, 650B) in *really* nice condition that will 
>>> likely go on the market when I get the Platypus put together, btw. 
>>> I’m in 
>>> NC.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 7:51:25 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners 
>>> Bunch wrote:
>>>
 Peter, great info re: the Mardi Gras colors! I'm thinking of 
 gold + green, harlequin-style, for the purple bike. 

 (I'm also remembering the smell of sweet olive blossoms and the 
 taste of a real beignet and the sound of Preservation Hall...my 
 mom was 
 born there and I love to visit!)

 S.

 On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 12:00 PM Peter Adler <

[RBW] Re: New Bike Day X2

[Tim Bantham]

Roberta - Nice to hear from you! I didn't know that you had the same combo. 
We are kindred spirits!  

Chef- The Homer looks great! I'm excited about the Platy but the Homer has 
been on my radar for a long time. Looking forward to building this one. 
Mine will be the classic Home Blue color which I am just in love with. 

Sarah-The idea of a mixte as a "girls frame" is only a construct. I think 
it will be practical when I take it camping and no longer have to swing my 
leg over whatever huge bag I have on the back of the bike.  

Steve - I can't take credit for the "MOM" acronym. I got it from the Riv 
print catalog from a few years ago. I think it may have been Will who 
coined that phrase. It is a good one though! 



On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 10:01:32 AM UTC-5 steve...@gmail.com wrote:

> Tim, as a fellow XY chromosome'd mixte rider ('22 Platypus with Billie 
> Bars) I had to chuckle at your "proud Man on a Mixte" appellation.  Perhaps 
> some day we'll have to establish a MOAM subgroup on this site. 
>
> You may have run across this "Me and My Mixte" blog post from 2011, if 
> not, here it is: 
> http://simplecycle-marc.blogspot.com/2011/02/me-and-mixte.html
>
> Steve
>
> On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 9:13:52 AM UTC-5 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Tim, that is exciting news! And please post pictures because we need more 
>> men on mixtes! Every time I find one I show my fiance and say, "see, this 
>> is a great men's bike!" And he looks at me side eyed. Which makes me want a 
>> "Men on Mixtes Calendar" Maybe it's a project for next year. 
>>
>> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 8:04:01 AM UTC-8 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Riv Bunch, 
>>>
>>> My first Riv was a 2TT Sam Hilborne that I purchased in 2017. I had an 
>>> Appaloosa that I sold just over a year ago. I've regretted selling my Joe 
>>> ever since. I even saw my old 2TT silver Appaloosa at this years Nutmeg 
>>> Nor'Easter. I thought about offering to buy it back but I never did ask the 
>>> new owner. I doubt he would have sold it back to me anyway. The only 
>>> consolation is that the new owner told me that he loves the bike and rides 
>>> it nearly every day. 
>>>
>>> While at the NNE I saw so many cool Riv's. I was talking to fellow Riv 
>>> Bunch member Justin Kennedy about his Platypus. My UBU (unresonable bike 
>>> urge) has been in high gear ever since. 
>>>
>>> I will soon become a proud Man on a Mixte and my 60cm Sergio Green 
>>> complete will be on the way to me very soon. I'm going to change the bars 
>>> right away to Billie's and will build a nicer wheelset with a Dyno hub 
>>> before getting it on the road. I figured if Leah can own 3 Platypus's its 
>>> got to be a good bike! I'm exciting for it's arrival and can't wait to ride 
>>> it. 
>>>
>>> The second inbound Riv is a A. Homer Hilsen frameset. I'm going to build 
>>> the Homer up as a drop bar road bike keeping it rackless and light as 
>>> possible. I am thinking about building it as a retro mod with downtube 
>>> shifter and some older parts. I still need to decide on that. Anyway I 
>>> thought I'd share the exciting news with fellow bike nerds. The Sam, Platy 
>>> and AHH will give me a nice collection.  I am feeling very fortunate to be 
>>> able to add two new bikes to my collection. N+2!
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New bike day: 60cm Sergio Green Platypus complete

[Tim Bantham]

Looks amazing! Thanks for sharing the ride report. I look forward to the 
arrival of my Sergio green Platy even more now! 

On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 8:48:09 PM UTC-5 BrettG wrote:

> Some additional info some may find useful (I couldn't put in original 
> message because too long)
>
> - Roman confirmed this morning it does not come with a saddle so I think 
> website description wrong (there was a discussion about this somewhere).
> - Cranks are 173s (for 60cm anyway).
> - Tires are 48mm and awesome!  Perfect for this bike.
> - Gearing was also perfect- 42/30 with 11-34.  I used the full range on 
> the ride and didn't need anything higher or lower.
> - "Lower end" Sunrace drivetrain worked really well.  Not sure about 
> longer term durability but I was impressed.
> - The cheaper V-brakes/levers always worked really well.  Felt great.
> - Even though wheelset is  "machine built" they seemed to fine to me.  
> Perfectly true and even tension.  Will just have to monitor longer term.
>
> Brett.
>

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[RBW] Re: Opinions sought - Platypus needs wheels

[Tim Bantham]

I own Velocity Quills and currently have them on my Sam. These are great 
rims and will be perfect for your intended purpose. I would spend a little 
more for the DT Swiss hubs and consider building the wheel with Double 
Butted spokes versus straight gauge. I won't claim to be an expert on the 
differences in spokes but for my wheel builds I've used double butted and 
have been told they are easier to get the correct amount of tension. For my 
inbound Platypus I'm going to use Atlas rims that have been hanging in my 
basement. I've always wanted to put them back in action and this is my 
chance. I picked up a Deore rear hub NOS for $35 and my front hub will be a 
Schmidt Widebody Dyno hub. I'm going to use Sapim Race for my spokes. 

On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 9:12:42 PM UTC-5 steve...@gmail.com wrote:

>  When I built up my Platypus this past summer I borrowed the wheels off 
> of another bike - now I'm ready to give the Platy her very own 650b 
> wheels.
>
> The build is road oriented, intended mostly for day rides and maybe some 
> light touring. Currently running 38mm slicks but plan to replace them with 
> something in the 42 - 44mm range. The bike weighs a bit under 30 lbs and 
> I'm about 165 lbs. 
>
> I have a wheel set cued up with Pro Wheel Builders; Velocity Quill 32 hole 
> rims, straight gauge spokes,   and DT Swiss 350 hubs (the 2021 version). 
> I'm also considering letting Velocity build them for me using their Racer 
> hubs instead of the 350s. Before I pull the trigger though I'd love to hear 
> what thoughts or opinions others might have.  Thanks, Steve
>

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[RBW] Re: New bike day: 60cm Sergio Green Platypus complete

[Tim Bantham]

Thanks for your comments on the drive train. I somehow missed the part 
about the rear derailleur being a SunRace I thought it was one of the 
Shimano variants that Riv carries. I'm a little disappointed by that since 
I have always gravitated towards Shimano.  I thought the front derailleur 
was the one they called the Skeleton Key. I was going to swap the front out 
right away. Maybe now I'll keep both and see how I get along with them. 
On Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 1:19:16 AM UTC-5 BrettG wrote:

> Yes, although I'm in range for a 55cm it would have required a longer stem 
> and huge amount of seat post showing for the same setup.  I always go as a 
> big as possible with Riv frames.
>
> I forgot to mention 2 things:
> - The novatech rear hub with the stock wheelset is one of quietest hubs 
> I've ever used.  Even a bit quieter than shimano.  I don't care for noisy 
> hubs so was quite pleased.  Hopefully they stay silent.
> - The sergio green color is even better in person than in photos.  Has a 
> certain "shimmer" in the sunlight I didn't expect.  
>
> I'm impressed with the parts they chose for the completes.  I would have 
> picked the exact same stem/bar/crank/tires if I was building myself.   The 
> rest of the sunrace and tektro components are an excellent value.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Bike Day X2

[Tim Bantham]

Beautiful build Jamin!

On Sunday, December 17, 2023 at 1:52:32 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> BSNYC built up his Homer similarly and praised it highly, tho' I think 
> that, now, it's back to swept-back bar. Qv. 
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 16, 2023 at 10:02 PM jamin orrall  wrote:
>
>> Homer makes a great stripped down road bike! Here is mine
>>
>> [image: homer.jpeg]
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Sugino XD2 crank arms, 175mm

[Tim Bantham]

PM Sent!

On Monday, December 18, 2023 at 12:06:55 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Another part from friend Doug's parted-out A Homer Hilsen.  This is a pair 
> of Sugino XD2 crank arms with no rings.  Just the right crank arm, left 
> crank arm, all the chainring bolts you need, plus a set of five very thin 
> spacers that you may need when you set up your chainring setup.  $65 shipped
>
> Photos:
>
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53405262969/in/album-72157634724093620/
>
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53405123828/in/album-72157634724093620/
>
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53404015917/in/album-72157634724093620/
>
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53405262974/in/album-72157634724093620/
>
> Let me know if you have any questions, or want me to pick out some 
> chainrings for you from my inventory.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: Winter exercise switch-up for bike riders

[Tim Bantham]

I live in Upstate NY, not too far Leah from our friends at Analog Cycles . 
This translates to lots of snow, long winters and a lot of time off the 
bike. I do ride indoors on Zwift but the real game changer for me has been 
yoga. I practice LYT yoga. It was designed by a physical therapist and is 
rooted in kinesiology. It focuses on  postural alignment, better movement 
habits and a strong mind body connection.  I've been practicing LYT almost 
daily for a few years now. I like it so much that I even got my 200 hour 
teacher certification so I can now teach although I am not current doing 
so. I do all of this online at home. You can check it out at lytyoga.com. 
I've never done pilates but I have heard that this type of yoga has a lot 
of cross over. It has worked very well for me and has helped me build 
strength, flexibility and mobility! 

Tim

On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 10:22:52 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Mrs Bubba and I signed up at Orange Theory.  It's a small class studio, 
> and it is expensive, but we're gaming the system a little bit.  It is 
> definitely aimed at the HIIT thing and focuses on heart rate.  In a 50 
> minute workout, the target is to get 12 or more splat points, a splat point 
> is 1 minute in the Orange or Red zone of heart rate.  I share Leah's 
> appreciation for "just tell me what to do and play the music loud".  Going 
> along with my wife gives me an accountability buddy.  The gamification of 
> points and the data-geekery of heart rate scratches a couple of my OCD 
> itches.  This is my first month, and the program I'm on is just 8 classes a 
> month.  This is a complement to my cycling rather than a full winter time 
> substitute.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 6:55:36 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> I hope this is not off-topic. If it is, I apologize. 
>>
>> Living in Michigan means I park my Platypuses for 3 months or so in the 
>> winter. I know there are die-hards out there with their studded tires and 
>> fat bikes but that’s not me. No Platypus means a lot of my workout time has 
>> been freed up and I need to find ways to stay active in winter. I already 
>> do strength training and core 6-7 days of the week, year round. I run a 
>> little. I walk a lot. But I wanted to add in something new and challenging. 
>> I added TWO things: Pilates and HIIT.
>>
>> I have to say that I’m amazed how much I feel Pilates. The muscles I’m 
>> using in Pilates must never get used in my other workouts. Gluteus medius, 
>> specifically. I think I have really neglected my hips. I’m also doing some 
>> physical therapy for my shoulder and knee, and my physical therapist has 
>> uncovered some of my weaknesses that are, incidentally, being helped with 
>> Pilates. I think I’m going to keep it in my routine all year. Maybe ditch 
>> the core workouts, because I think Pilates is more effective.
>>
>> Also good is HIIT. I find that 20 minutes is plenty challenging. Lots of 
>> new moves that make you focus on balance, coordination and isolating muscle 
>> groups. Can be hard on the knees. Grant has talked at length about short 
>> bursts of intense exercise being the way. This is that.
>>
>> I do all of this in my basement using Apple Fitness, in case anyone was 
>> wondering how to start. Dirt cheap, very little equipment needed, and a joy 
>> to follow the lead of the instructors. I love a group exercise class - just 
>> tell me what to do to make the most of my time and put on some good music 
>> for the session. I’ll do whatever you say.
>>
>> If you park your bike for winter, what do you do to keep up your fitness? 
>> I’m always looking for new ideas.
>> Leah
>>
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[RBW] Re: "Grant hates toe clips."

[Tim Bantham]

I am currently using both clip in and flat pedals. I still do roadie group 
rides with my fellow MAMILs on my Serotta. I use Speedplay pedals for that. 
I also have a modern mountain bike with SPDs . On my Sam Hillborne I ride 
flat pedals. If I had my druthers I'd ride flat pedals most of the time. I 
love riding in sandals because of the chill vibe that it promotes. When I'm 
on my Hillborne I'm mostly riding alone or on bike paths with 
friends/family. 

At the start of last season I developed pain in one of my knees. I later 
determined that it was due to my cleat placement on my cycling shoe.  I had 
purchased new cleats during the winter months and carelessly mounted them 
on my shoes without taking note of the exact placement of the previous 
cleats. After developing the knee pain I ended up going to my LBS and 
having the bike fitter take a look at my pedal stroke. Sure enough my cleat 
needed to be moved inboard on the shoe to solve the problem. All of that to 
say I wonder if clipping in is worth it when you consider how sensitive my 
knees are to precise cleat placement. At this point I'm still using both. 

On Monday, December 25, 2023 at 12:01:39 PM UTC-5 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 7:44:43 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> But I'm curious how many on this RBW list like and use retention and how 
> many don't; and of the former, how many use toe clips and how many use 
> clipless systems -- and what kind.
>
>
> I started riding bikes in 1968. In 1978 I got my first pair of Detto 
> Pietro shoes. I've been through cleats, Avocets, SPD, MKS Mapstage, Time 
> ATAC, Egg Beater, and now I almost exclusively ride in sneakers (Lems) on 
> flat pedals (mostly Riv's Clem pedals). The most efficient "directly 
> attached to the rear wheel" system I ever felt was a pair of Delrin cleats 
> that Pino Morroni machined for Grant. They snapped perfectly into Campy NR 
> pedals, and you didn't even need a strap unless you really pulled straight 
> up on them. All the systems that "float" were absolutely terrible for me. 
> My heels would rotate to the float limits, creating a large amount of 
> rotational strain on my knees. I found Egg Beaters with zero float cleats 
> to be the best for my needs, and I still have them on my Riv Road, which is 
> set up for fast group riding.  Also, like Wesley, my wife and I find 
> cleated pedals to be very important on the tandem - no more feet flying off 
> the pedals at inopportune moments. I liked having cleated pedals and shoes 
> for the short downtown part of my commute, where I would often need to 
> accelerate hard to keep up with the traffic flow.  Since I retired I 
> haven't had a single time when I've been clipless (meaning no binding 
> system at all!) that I have wished for something holding my feet to the 
> pedals. On the contrary, I am finding that my feet, ankles, knees, and hips 
> are much, much happier, especially on long rides. I love being able to 
> shift my feet forward and back, sometimes on the ball, sometimes the arch, 
> depending on the terrain and the level of effort.
>
> My father-in-law started doing some more recreational biking in his 
> retirement. The shop that sold him a new bike insisted he needed toe clips 
> and straps. At an intersection with some sand on the pavement (April in 
> Wisconsin!) he used his front brake and went down. In trying to pull his 
> foot from the pedal he very badly tore up the ligaments in his knee. 
> Needless to say, when he got back on the bike the next year, I had tossed 
> the clips and straps.
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Shimano Rear Derailleur RD-591-SGS

[Tim Bantham]

PM sent on Shimano RD!

On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 2:27:09 PM UTC-5 jo...@jwoo.org wrote:

> As new in box, silver, 9 speed.
>
> $40 shipped from New York in the lower 48.
>
> NOTE: I'm selling a bunch of items and I've designated Jan 12th and Jan 
> 26th as my shipping days. LMK if you really need something outside those 
> times and we can try to work something out.
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[RBW] Re: Platypus or Clem - Please help me choose

[Tim Bantham]

Hi Sean, I'm over here near the Albany end of the Erie Canal trail. I've 
had similar circumstances with my wife. She owned a Trek mixte which she 
really enjoyed. For years I've been telling her about the magic of 
Rivendell Bicycles which mostly went in one ear and out the other. She 
always responded by saying "but I like my current bike".  Last summer a 
used Platypus came up for sale. I showed her pictures and she was very 
interested until she saw the price tag. Even used this was too much for her 
to comfortably pay. Later in the summer we ended up ordering a CLEM 
complete from Riv. The end result was exactly what I was hoping. Once she 
experienced the long wheelbase of the Clem combined with the wider tires 
the difference between her old bike and the new Riv clicked for her. If you 
are hoping for a similar result I think either bike would be a great choice 
but I wouldn't overlook the Clem. Hope that helps! 

Tim

On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 5:29:59 PM UTC-5 SeanMac wrote:

> Hi everyone.  Happy New Year!
>
> I am the proud owner of a grey Cheviot.  One of the reasons that I 
> purchased that bike was to ride on bike trails near me (such as the Erie 
> Canal Trail) with my wife.  She and I have done a bit of riding together.  
> However, as I am a more experienced cyclists, she sometimes gets frustrated 
> with me.  Happily, riding my Cheviot has helped me to slow down and enjoy 
> the ride with her.
>
> My wife has been riding a Trek hybrid bike that is at least 30 years old.  
> I would love for her to get something new for our rides together.  She is 
> on-board with this idea (much to my delight).  A new Rivendell seems to be 
> just the ticket to more quality bike time - for her alone and for us 
> together.  The question, of course, is which model would be the best choice.
>
> Given that I have a Cheviot, a Platypus for her was my first suggestion.  
> I sense that it rides pretty similarly to my Cheviot - plush, stable and 
> relatively quick once it gets going.  However, my wife was a bit surprised 
> by the price tag of the Platty, and began to focus on the Clem.  When she 
> asked why the Clem was less expensive I spoke about the lugs, but didn't 
> know what else really differentiated the two bikes.  This is why I am 
> reaching out to the group.
>
> I would be grateful if folks on the list who are familiar with both the 
> Clem and Platypus would provide some additional insight into the 
> differences between the two models.  I think that either bike would meet my 
> wife's needs.  However, thoughts on which would best meet those needs are 
> much appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Sean
> Buffalo, NY
>

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[RBW] Re: Maiden voyage with my new Homer

[Tim Bantham]

Congrats Don! Looks like a nice build. My new Homer frameset is hanging in 
my basement just waiting for me to hang some parts on it. Can't wait to get 
it on the road!. 

On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 2:11:54 PM UTC-5 Donzaemon wrote:

> Hi folks, I've spent the past few months lurking and soaking up knowledge 
> in hopes of informing the direction of my Homer build. I sort of agonized 
> over so many details that it was tough landing on my desired gearing, 
> wheels, bar tape, etc. One can spend an eternity and never get anywhere so 
> I finalized on the last few undecided items and had the fine folks at Riv 
> HQ begin their work. This past Saturday, I finally brought it home. 
>
> Pictured below is a stop I made on my ride on the Paradise Loop in Marin 
> County. Beautiful views of the Bay all throughout this route. Looking 
> forward to lots more miles in 2024!
>
> [image: IMG_9002.jpeg]
> -don
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Re: [RBW] Re: Who’s getting a Platypus tomorrow?

[Tim Bantham]

My Platypus complete in Sergio's Green has landed. Swapped out the Tosco 
bars for Billies. Installing a Sims Obento front rack and basket next. I've 
got a long wait until spring! 

On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 9:17:00 AM UTC-5 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:

> What a delight for your wife to see this under the Christmas tree!
>
> Sarah
>
> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 11:13:52 AM UTC-8 Josh C wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_0972.jpg]
>> Should have reported back sooner but the bike did come in time for 
>> Christmas. 
>> On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 8:59:06 AM UTC-5 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Joe! Don't get shiny ball syndrome! You have a most excellent frame on 
>>> its way to you!
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 9:50:23 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 It's so exciting! I can't wait to see your new Purple Platy and all the 
 other new bikes out there. Gosh, now I kinda wish *I* was getting a new 
 frame... 🤔

 Joe " wishin' and hopin' " Bernard 

 On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 5:47:48 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> They are trickling in. Mine arrives Wednesday. I hope you get your 
> wife’s in time! 
>
> On Dec 10, 2023, at 8:44 AM, Josh C  wrote:
>
> I was just going to ask if anyone had received theirs yet. Hoping to 
> put my wife's under the tree...or near it I guess. 
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 1:52:52 PM UTC-4 Arthur Mayfield wrote:
>
>> My Mermaid Platypus 55 frame arrived today (apparently found in their 
>> stock from last year). This is an *elegant* bike-to-be! All you who 
>> ordered frames or bikes have a real treat coming! I’m waiting for wheels 
>> to 
>> be built, so plenty of time for frame-saving the tubes and ceramic 
>> coating 
>> the paint before building it up. I already had a B-68 and crankset, 
>> derailleurs, cassettes, brakes, stem, bars, racks, fenders, etc, so it 
>> will 
>> go together quickly when the wheels get here. I have a blue Sam 52 
>> (caliper 
>> brakes, 650B) in *really* nice condition that will likely go on the 
>> market when I get the Platypus put together, btw. I’m in NC.
>>
>> On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 7:51:25 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Peter, great info re: the Mardi Gras colors! I'm thinking of gold + 
>>> green, harlequin-style, for the purple bike. 
>>>
>>> (I'm also remembering the smell of sweet olive blossoms and the 
>>> taste of a real beignet and the sound of Preservation Hall...my mom was 
>>> born there and I love to visit!)
>>>
>>> S.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 12:00 PM Peter Adler  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Green + purple + yellow = Mardi Gras bike. Go to New Orleans during 
 the season, and all the plastic beads thrown from the parade floats 
 are in 
 those three colors. Maybe yellow bar tape or water bottles.

 Peter "laisse les bons temps rouler sur vélo" Adler
 Berkeley, CA

 On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 7:04:20 AM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:


 I’m hoping to snag a 50cm green complete for my wife. I’ve had 
 several Rivs and she’s never had the experience. She’s mentioned 
 several 
 times that a step-through style bike interests her. She has some 
 purple 
 Paul bits on her current bike that I think will look nice with the 
 green 
 instead of two different purples. 

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Re: [RBW] Advantages of triple drivetrains (VO post)

[Tim Bantham]

Can those Ultegra triples be found in a square taper or are they all 
Octalink?

On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 8:23:10 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Ultegra 52x42x30 makes a nice compact double.  Just remove the 52 (free) 
> and put a guard in its place ($15).  Now you've got a 42x30 with the 
> ability to put a smaller ring on the 74 bcd if need be.  The skeleton key 
> is indeed a useful FD.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 4:42:09 PM UTC-8 Will M wrote:
>
>> Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks!  
>>
>> I swapped out an Ultegra 52x42x30 for a RBW/Silver 42x28 and never looked 
>> back.  (Yes, that little Microshift "skeleton key" front derailer is 
>> brilliant).  And my Yuba cargo bike got the RBW/Silver 38x24 because the 
>> 44x34x24 offered no advantages for a bike that is 100% about transporting 
>> "cargo" (kids) in a city.  I get the appeal of 1X's, but some of the analog 
>> Yuba long-wheelbase cargo bikes that were spec'ed as 1X got a reputation 
>> for throwing chains under load.  Never understood why. 
>>
>> @ Ron Mc: Love the half-step setup.  Love! Have you seen John Schubert's 
>> article "Half Step: The Gearing Choice for the Retrogrouch 
>> "?
>>  
>> (Adventure Cyclist magazine, March 2002)  My bucket list includes a 1983 
>> Specialized Sequoia with this drivetrain. :-)  
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Will 
>> NYC
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 10:43:48 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I did that for years with 48/38/28 triples and close ratio (13-21 
>>> commuting, 12-19 gofast) 7 speed drivetrains. It worked well, with most 
>>> riding in the middle ring. ?This ws
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 5:02 PM Andrew Turner  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I love a triple paired with an 8 speed or less corncob cassette matched 
 to downtube shifters. That's an amazing roadie configuration right there. 
 Not to mention bomb proof. But I think what rides equally as nice is 11 
 speed 2x setups with a wide range cassette in the rear. The choice for me 
 comes down to looks and vanity. Ron Mc's teaser drivetrain pic is really 
 scratching an itch for me though! 
 On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 5:36:47 PM UTC-6 DavidP wrote:

> I have a couple of bikes with 46/30 front rings and 11-34 cassettes; I 
> end up mainly using them like a double 1x (no, I don't use the 46x11) and 
> for these bikes I like it fine.
>
> In line with Bill's point, pairing a smaller front step with a wider 
> range cassette (but not too crazy) can work well. I recently ended up 
> with 
> a 2x9, 42/34 x 11-40t setup on a bike and it's pretty nice for general 
> use. 
> The smaller front step allows getting over rolling hills using front 
> shifts 
> only, it's got great range (.85:1 - 3.8:1) and still doesn't end up with 
> a 
> bunch of simultaneous front/rear shifting. And the 34t small ring lets 
> you 
> use a standard 110 double crank.
>
> -Dave
> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 6:13:54 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>
>> Steven, thanks for the point about how useful triples are for riding 
>> with big loads, whether for touring, day tripping, shopping, whatever. I 
>> frequently haul loads up hills on my already-heavy Rivs, so a wide gear 
>> range with 24-34-44  or a 26-36-46 triple and a 34- or 36-tooth large 
>> rear 
>> sprocket works great for me. I'm a tinkerer but I don't mess with my 
>> front 
>> ders. They're set it and forget it. I also love the way shiny triple 
>> cranks 
>> look. I've never felt compelled to try a 1x from a functional or 
>> aesthetic 
>> standpoint. 
>>
>> I agree with Johnny that much newfangled bike stuff and trends are 
>> driven by product differentiation and marketing. Sometimes what was once 
>> virtue becomes vice, sometimes what is old becomes new again. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 4:14:25 PM UTC-5 Steven Sweedler wrote:
>>
>>> One point that I think is being missed, is for loaded touring bikes 
>>> triples make more sense. Though I am not camping I still am carrying 
>>> around 
>>> 40 lbs on a 32 lb bike, low gears are especially useful on long and/or 
>>> steep hills. When home in central  New Hampshire many of my favorite 
>>> roads 
>>> are diificult if not impossible for me to ride without a 15-18” gear.
>>>
>>> Steven Sweedler
>>> Plymouth, New Hampshire
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 8:43 PM Chris Halasz  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I'm planning on going from 3x to 1x on my all-around Tosco'd LHT. 
 Maybe even do that today, and replace the big ring with the Rivendell 
 chainring guard. 

 I haven't used the 48 in a long, long time. As for the 26 inner: 
 there was a t-shirt from the 80

[RBW] Re: FS; Pile o’ parts! Dyno wheel, lights, brooks, nitto etc

[Tim Bantham]

Hi Joe, Could you provide more detail on dyno wheel? Which dyno hub. 
Appears to be a SON28? Which rim is it? Spoke count?? Approximate mileage 
on it?

Thank you! 

Tim

On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 10:23:56 AM UTC-5 joe kelly wrote:

> Sorry for that clunkiness of this for sale post. The Google group machine 
> seems especially cranky this morning and would not let me make one post 
> with everything in it. 
> Finally,  extra special bonus for buyers of multiple items. First you will 
> save a little on shipping, who doesn’t love that, but also you wil get to 
> pick from one of the following bonus items; 1.hunquapillar post card, 
> unsent, 2. Old man Peterson’s ferrous velocipede sticker, 3.entmoot 14 
> patch.
> Thanks 
> Joe
>
> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 10:12:39 AM UTC-5 joe kelly wrote:
>
>> Update
>> The Quickbeam ff/hs/bb has sold along with the crank, the original 
>> wheels, post and the 5sp rear wheel. This leaves me with a pile o’ parts! 
>> I have sks fenders, downtube shifters on bar end pods, albatross bars, 
>> technomic stem, campee front rack, two wald baskets lg and sm, eyc front 
>> light, Bm rear light, brooks b.17, randi jo cover, Mks sneaker pedals, Jack 
>> brown green tires and the front dyno wheel.
>> For pricing I’m asking half of what Rivendell sells the item for new. 
>> Everything is in good used condition. On the dyno wheel I used my best 
>> guess got what a hand built wheel is worth.
>> For shipping I would ask that buyer and I split the actual cost. I would 
>> ask for payment of items then a second payment that would be half of 
>> shipping. Clunky perhaps but I think it’s at least a fair way to do it. 
>> I’ll attach a pic of the price list.
>> Thanks
>> Joe
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Jewelry for my Platypus

[Tim Bantham]

That is a really cool story and so glad to hear. I am an absolute sucker 
for anything Paul. The moto-lite brakes and Love Levers are my all time 
favorites. Although I didn't need much persuading you have inspired me to 
pony up the dough to swap out the parts for Paul Components on my own 
Platypus. 

On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 12:44:11 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> That rose is so pretty. I grant your swanky new Paul brakes my highest 
> praise, they're RIDICULOUS 
>
> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 5:28:30 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I have never had Paul anything. I’ve had whatever brakes and levers came 
>> with my bikes and didn’t think any more about it. I did get my VO brake 
>> levers anodized, but that batch of rose pink ano faded freakishly fast and 
>> everything was silver 4 months later. 
>>
>> But I’m giving it another chance. Everyone talks about Paul, and Paul 
>> sometimes offers their parts in pretty, anodized colors, but currently, 
>> they do not. I emailed the company, asking if they happened to have any of 
>> their pink levers laying around that they would be willing to sell me. I 
>> got an email back from Paul, like THE Paul, who directed me to an employee 
>> I won’t name here. He and I got in contact and he was so fun, right from 
>> the start. We chatted and he looked at my bikes (I sent him my pics via 
>> email) and we made a plan. 
>>
>> We colored it all. 
>>
>> The bolts, the brake body, the levers, the barrel adjustors ALL of it. 
>>
>> The parts came in 3 boxes, plus one extra little envelope. The envelope 
>> had a small personalized gift from my new friend at Paul, just because, 
>> with a handwritten note in the prettiest handwriting I’ve ever seen. Swoon! 
>> I opened the first box and it was wrapped like origami inside. I uncovered 
>> the first gorgeous pieces and the breath left my body. So beautiful. 
>> Quality even a novice can’t miss. Just what I wanted. Rich, rose color. 
>>
>> I would need to be with bike people to get the full joy out of this 
>> experience. My bike shop knows about Paul Components. A blizzard is on its 
>> way to Michigan and I knew my shop would not be busy. I put the pieces back 
>> in the box, loaded the boxes and my bike in the van and drove to the shop. 
>> I came in and there were 4 mechanics and zero customers. “Guys!” I said, “I 
>> have a fun project for us to do, and I can’t do it without you! Who wants 
>> to see what is in these boxes?” 
>>
>> So there we were on company time, hovering over these immaculate little 
>> parcels, oohing and aahhing. There was extra swag in there, stuff I had 
>> never seen. 
>>
>> “What’s this?” I asked, holding up a flat, wooden thing with Paul 
>> emblems. 
>>
>> “It’s a carpenter’s pencil,” said the mechanic. I gave it to him.
>>
>> I left the bike with them and I should have it in the next couple/few 
>> days, depending on how long the blizzard rages for. Not that I’ll get to 
>> ride and try those beautiful Paul parts out; we are getting up to a foot of 
>> snow! For now they are only a visual treat. I can’t even imagine how 
>> enamored I will be when I get to actually USE the brakes. 
>>
>> And what nice people. I was not expecting them to be so personable! I 
>> have heard they are a small operation, but they *are* famous in their 
>> own right - celebrity machinists, really - yet so kind to a layperson like 
>> me.
>>
>> Here’s the photo I got before the parts shipped. “Whatcha think?” he 
>> asked. 
>>
>> Oh, he knew. He knew he knocked it straight outta the park.
>>
>> Leah
>>
>>  
>>
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[RBW] First turns of the pedals on my new Platypus

[Tim Bantham]

We had a rare 41 and sunny day here in upstate NY so I decided to take my 
new Platypus for a quick spin. Here are my observations on the complete in 
Sergio Green.

*Color *- The color looks amazing in the sunlight. Nice little gold hue to 
the green. 
*Shifters* - I thought I would want to swap the trigger shifter out right 
away. On the contrary. The shifting is nice and crisp on the rear SunRace 
derailleur. Aesthetically I don't love the way the derailleurs look 
(especially the front) but it just shifts so well! I might just leave it 
alone. 
*Drive train* - The 42/30 Silver crankset is perfect. I usually ride a 175 
crankarms on all my bikes. I don't even notice that this one is a 173. 
*Geometry *- My first experience riding a mixte. I got to say my initial 
impression is two thumbs up. Rides great and feels surprisingly zippy. The 
slack head tube make for a great handling mellow ride. 
*Wheels* - The stock wheelset is pretty darn nice! Alex 21's laced to 
Novatec hubs. The rear Novetec is dead silent. Folks pay $450 for a Onyx to 
get that silent drive. These are pretty nice wheels although I'll probably 
build up some Velocity Quills so I can have a dyno hub. 
*Bars *- Swapping out the Tosco bars for the Billies was the right choice 
for me. I've had good experience with these bars and they will be great! 
*Stem* - I thought I wanted a 13cm stem to accommodate my long arms. 
Honestly I don't think I would notice much of a difference going from the 
11cm stem that came with it. 

I still need to add grips and install my front rack. This bike is pure joy 
so far! 





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[RBW] Re: First turns of the pedals on my new Platypus

[Tim Bantham]

Haha. Yes Doug the saddle is up there. I've got a 93.5 PBH. The saddle 
height in that photo is 84cm. 

Steve, the bike is so new it doesn't feel like my own. I was tinkering with 
it over the weekend trying to figure out what I wanted to change. I think 
the first thing I want to do is change the levers and brakes. Thinking Paul 
motolites and Paul Love Levers. Could I get some opinions on anodizing 
colors?

I was thinking about purple brakes arms to go with the Sergio Green. I want 
to keep the levers silver but add the purple anodized adjustment knobs. 
This might look really cool! Opinions?


On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 8:46:48 AM UTC-5 steve...@gmail.com wrote:

> Tim, it looks like your Platypus is coming together nicely. Here's another 
> thumbs up for Billie bars on a a Platypus. Aesthetically, to my eye, they 
> compliment the bike's flowing lines. More importantly though, their ergos 
> suit me.
>
> Spring is on the way!!!   When all that snow starts to melt you just might 
> need some fenders.
>
> Steve -- on a 2022 Mermaid Platypus
>
> On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 12:25:32 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> That's a nice bike! I totally agree about trigger shifters, they work and 
>> I love them. The derailleur my trigger works with on my Clem (SRAM) is also 
>> pretty ugly but I can't see it while it's working fabulously on a ride. No 
>> problem! 😁
>>
>> Joe Bernard 
>>
>> On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 11:28:40 AM UTC-8 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>
>>> We had a rare 41 and sunny day here in upstate NY so I decided to take 
>>> my new Platypus for a quick spin. Here are my observations on the complete 
>>> in Sergio Green.
>>>
>>> *Color *- The color looks amazing in the sunlight. Nice little gold hue 
>>> to the green. 
>>> *Shifters* - I thought I would want to swap the trigger shifter out 
>>> right away. On the contrary. The shifting is nice and crisp on the rear 
>>> SunRace derailleur. Aesthetically I don't love the way the derailleurs look 
>>> (especially the front) but it just shifts so well! I might just leave it 
>>> alone. 
>>> *Drive train* - The 42/30 Silver crankset is perfect. I usually ride a 
>>> 175 crankarms on all my bikes. I don't even notice that this one is a 173. 
>>> *Geometry *- My first experience riding a mixte. I got to say my 
>>> initial impression is two thumbs up. Rides great and feels surprisingly 
>>> zippy. The slack head tube make for a great handling mellow ride. 
>>> *Wheels* - The stock wheelset is pretty darn nice! Alex 21's laced to 
>>> Novatec hubs. The rear Novetec is dead silent. Folks pay $450 for a Onyx to 
>>> get that silent drive. These are pretty nice wheels although I'll probably 
>>> build up some Velocity Quills so I can have a dyno hub. 
>>> *Bars *- Swapping out the Tosco bars for the Billies was the right 
>>> choice for me. I've had good experience with these bars and they will be 
>>> great! 
>>> *Stem* - I thought I wanted a 13cm stem to accommodate my long arms. 
>>> Honestly I don't think I would notice much of a difference going from the 
>>> 11cm stem that came with it. 
>>>
>>> I still need to add grips and install my front rack. This bike is pure 
>>> joy so far! 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Ride report: Orange Blossom Special 2024

[Tim Bantham]

Great report and a super nice Atlantis build!

On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 8:17:27 PM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> This is my first ride report here, and the first big ride on my new-to-me 
> Toyo Atlantis since fully finishing the build around Christmastime. I spend 
> winters away from my home in Kentucky and retreat to the relatively warmer 
> weather of the Tampa Bay area.
>
>
> In early November, I saw a post on The Radavist about an upcoming gravel 
> adventure ride called “The Orange Blossom Special” taking place near where 
> I was going to be staying in Florida, so I jumped at the chance to sign up 
> for a spot. This event featured three route options; 40, 60, and 90 mi. and 
> promised a variety of incredible terrain among the orange groves of the 
> Lake Wales Ridge - a geographically unique part of Florida that is the only 
> part of the peninsula that was never under water. Eons ago, it was more 
> like a chain of small islands, so the rolling hills full of endless old 
> orange groves and red, sandy clay roads offer a bit more variety than the 
> typically flat prairie scrub of central Florida.
>
>
> I was advised that tires bigger than 42mm was recommended, and I was 
> running 41mm gravel slicks with fenders on the Atlantis, so a few days 
> before the ride I swapped the slicks and fenders for more of an ATB setup, 
> with 52mm wide Rene Herse knobbies. It definitely changed the look of the 
> Atlantis, and made it much more muscular-looking and ready for anything.
>
>
> [image: IMG_7444.jpg]
>
>
> The morning of the ride, a big storm blew through, so I was aware that the 
> normally fast clay roads could be the consistency of peanut butter in 
> places. I felt more confident that I’d made the right decision losing the 
> fenders. Last thing I wanted was to spend all day scraping clumpy red mud 
> out of my clogged fenders and cantis. I got a bit of a later start than the 
> other riders because I didn’t camp at the start like most of the others, 
> and had to drive about 80 miles from my home. I chose to do the 40+ mi 
> route due to my already late start, and the potential for difficult road 
> conditions.
>
>
> The first several miles was solo riding for me, but I quickly caught up 
> with a group of 8-9 other riders, and we stayed together as a group for 
> much of the rest of the route. The storied clay roads showed up quickly, 
> and at first they weren’t too bad. Fairly smooth rolling, but  the 
> occasional soft section would zap momentum and energy right out of you. 
> Most of the route was unpaved, but as we got closer to civilization, there 
> were some stretches of mild, 2-lane highway where we could struggle against 
> the headwinds.
>
>
> After a break for beers and food in a little town called Frostproof, the 
> route took us deep into the Arbuckle Tract of the Lake Wales State Forest, 
> which would eventually turn into the worst riding conditions we would 
> experience of the day. The peanut butter clay mud was compounded by ruts 
> created by the occasional vehicle driving through. Although it was slow 
> going, I was impressed with how the Atlantis effortlessly handled it all. 
> The knobbies gripped well, and floated through the mud enough to allow me 
> to keep riding, and not have to do any hike-a-biking, like I witnessed 
> other riders doing.
>
> [image: IMG_7522.jpg]
>
>
>
> The final two miles in the State Forest featured much drier, smoother 
> clay, and several more miles of 2-lane asphalt - which was a nice treat to 
> finish up the ride. I was able to ride at my normal speed and finish with 
> plenty of time to hang out with everyone around a bonfire, where we were 
> treated with grilled gator tail, homemade tamales, and draft beer from a 
> local craft brewery.
>
> [image: IMG_7523.jpg]
>
> It was a great day, and a fantastic ride that was a bit challenging, but 
> 100% fun. I was hoping that out of the 50 or so riders, I might see another 
> Riv rider, but I turned out to be the only one. I’ll be looking forward to 
> doing this event again next year, and I recommend it if you get the 
> opportunity.
>
>
> LINK FOR MORE RIDE PHOTOS 
>
>
> Thanks for reading along!
>
> Brian
>
> Lex KY
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell and Brooks B68 short film

[Tim Bantham]

That was great! Thanks for posting Eric!

On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 3:15:06 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:

> I think it might just be…but at the least pleasantly harmless and sweet. 
> And  they all having such a good time. 
>
> Tho try as I might the long-wheelbase bikes just don’t flip my switch. 
> This got me going quite a while ago and I’m still chasing it. Rather odd I 
> suppose. 
>
>
> Jock
>
> On Fri, Jan 19, 2024 at 11:39 AM eddietheflay  wrote:
>
>> All those guys wearing those hats look like a cult :).
>>
>> On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 7:32:07 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> [image: 
>>> VS--YouTube-BrooksEnglandTheB68isbackftRivendellBicycleWorks-0’45”.jpg]
>>>
>>> Brooks just released the 16mm film they made with the Rivendell staff 
>>> :0) Quite fun! 
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBIryCWhgBc
>>>
>>> The saddles are now available from Brooks! 
>>> https://www.brooksengland.com/en_us/b68.html
>>>
>>> I wonder if this means we can buy a B68 directly from Rivendell now? 
>>> Seems like Riv was holding back for Brooks to launch the revived saddle. 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Susie / Appaloosa indecision

[Tim Bantham]

I would recommend the Appaloosa. If you're primary use is commuting and 
grocery getting there isn't a better bicycle then the Joe A. You could put 
a decent size knobbie tire on there is you wanted. I had Schwalbe Thunder 
Burts on mine which made it great for road and great for the occasional off 
road excursion. It certainly can be a "have fun" bike if you build it up 
right. If you are looking to add fenders under a reasonably sized tire then 
the Appaloosa also gets the nod. I've never owned a Susie/Gus but I've 
owned an Appaloosa which was one of my favorites Riv bikes I had ever 
owned. I regret selling it all the time. 

On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 5:16:03 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Others here can no doubt offer more experienced opinions but, I would get 
> the Susie and an extra set of wheels. One with 2.5”-2.6” knobbies (Honcho, 
> Ehline) for singletrack or other off road stuff (backpacking), and the 
> other with 2.0” - 2.25 smoothish tires for more roadish use. Susie is such 
> a versatile platform. This of course is my perspective only & reflects my 
> preference for off road excursions.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 7, 2024, at 4:23 PM, Brian Thomas  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Hey Everyone. I'm seriously torn between a lugged Susie and an Appaloosa 
> later this year. Help me commit!
>
> I commute and run errands (no question that's most of my mileage), but fun 
> rides are always in seek of trails with pavement as needed: day rides plus 
> occasional camping. I think each bike is overkill in a different way. The 
> Appaloosa is capable of longer distances and heavier loads, which would be 
> pretty rare for me. The bigger tires on the Susie would open up more 
> technical singletrack, which would be similarly rare. 
>
> What to do? I like the idea of the Appaloosa's more traditional look, but 
> I like the Susie's higher handlebars and increased crotch clearance. I'm 
> likely to want fenders, so I may end up not using the Susie's tire 
> clearance to full advantage (sidebar: what's the biggest tire that will 
> really fit under a B65? B69? Anyone know of another decent-looking jumbo 
> fender?).
>
> All opinions welcome, with special thanks to anyone who's ridden or owned 
> both.
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[RBW] Re: What drop bar do you use on your Riv?

[Tim Bantham]

I'm using the Crust X Nitto Shaka bar on my 62cm Sam Hillborne. So far this 
is a great set up. I've had Albatross bars, Albastache bars, Noodles, Salsa 
Wood Chipper bars and not the Shaka's. I had a super long stem on the 
Albatross bars. 13 cm to be exact when I switched to drop bars I shortened 
up the stem quite a bit. I've had a 5 cm stem when I had the Wood Chipper 
bar and now a 6cm Nitto Faceplater with the Shaka's. Keep in mind the 62 
Sam has a long top tube!

I mostly wanted the Shaka bars to have the wide enough to fit a small Ron's 
Bikes chest bag. I like this set up so far!

Tim

On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 4:23:50 PM UTC-5 jtlu...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi All!
> I currently have an Albatross bar on my Homer, which I love. I also love 
> doing bar swaps from time to time on my bikes as it can make the bike feel 
> like a completely different bike. 
>
> I'm curious to hear what drop bars folks are running on whatever Rivendell 
> you happen to own? I've considered the Crust Towel Rack bar for my Homer, 
> so if you happen to be using one of those I'd love to hear your thoughts on 
> that bar/see any pictures you might have. But as the post title suggests, 
> I'd love to hear about any other drop bars y'all like to use. 
>
> Also, if you've switched from a swept back bar to a drop bar on your Riv, 
> what adjustments to stem length did you need to make? I know this can be 
> impacted by the bar of choice, but just wanting to get a sense of how much 
> of change you experience in stem length.
>
> Thanks! 
> Josh 
>

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[RBW] Re: Intro post, pics of my RIvs, and a Homer fit question

[Tim Bantham]

If you want to use drops on your Homer I would say don't have any concerns 
over shortening the stem to 5cm or even less. I've done that on my 62 Sam 
and rides great! 

On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 9:20:54 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I don't know your frame sizes so I'll do some wild guessing based on 
> photos: I believe you have a 55cm Cheviot and a 54.5 Homer. If this is 
> accurate the effective toptube numbers should be about the same and you're 
> happy with the pullback bars on the Chev. Conclusion: the Homer may be a 
> bit big for you, which is why the reach to drops is too long. I agree with 
> Riv that a 7cm stem should help but I'm concerned that you'll still find 
> the Homer kinda big-ish. 
>
> Joe Bernard, who fits a 55 Chev with pullbacks and would need a 51 Homer 
> for drops 
>
> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 7:34:08 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> What are the sizes of your Riv frames? 
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 4:06:31 PM UTC-8 eitanz...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Bill,  I don't have my bike fit completey figure out yet. I used 
>>> to bike a lot more 20 years ago (mountain biking) and have recently gotten 
>>> back into riding. To your point, I am hoping to get a professional bike fit 
>>> sometime in the near future. (Nate Loyal seems well-recommended and 
>>> reviewed.)  Not cheap but likely one of the best bang for the buck bike 
>>> "upgrades." When I mention "endurance," I am referring more to "road bike 
>>> with more relaxed geometry than a race bike," than endurance athletics per 
>>> se. I am in decent shape but would like to be able to work up to  day-long 
>>> rides, which will require some work on aerobic endurance as well as 
>>> adjustments to bike and rider.  Currently I am significantly less 
>>> comfortable on the Homer than on the drop-bar Breezer Doppler Pro I have. I 
>>> was too stretched on that one until I switched out the bars. The bars I am 
>>> thinking of for the Homer are the Velo Orange Rando bars, which have about 
>>> a 10mm shorter reach than the Noodle, and will accomodate bar ends. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 2:42:05 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 Here are a few thoughts:

 People who know exactly what works for them figure it out over a long 
 time with lots of bikes, and have a set of numbers in their pocket so they 
 can know before buying whether a particular will set up correctly for 
 them. 
  It sounds like you don't have that all figured out for yourself.  Is that 
 a reasonable assumption?

 People who don't have their fit completely figured out for themselves 
 are usually well advised to get a fitting from an experienced fitter who 
 understands the target use-case.  Can you find such a person?  Have you 
 had 
 anybody who knows about such things look at you while you are riding?  

 This is intended for an endurance/all-road use case.  Are you currently 
 an endurance athlete?  Or do you aspire to be an endurance athlete?  Do 
 you 
 want the bike to fit the body you have, or the body you intend to have?  

 Those are my thoughts.  Best of luck

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 1:20:53 PM UTC-8 eitanz...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Hi all, wanted to introduce myself and my bikes. Over the last six 
> months I went from zero to two Rivendells, and joined this group--though 
> this is my first post: First up, a Cheviot, picked up secondhand, as my 
> city bike.  Previous owner built this up swanky: Son, XTR,, Pacenti, 
> Paul, 
> XT, etc. . added the front and rear racks. I also picked up a Riv 
> Happisack, which alternates with the YEPP mount. Apologies for the 
> distinctly un-glamorous garage pic:
>
>
> [image: IMG_2009.jpeg]
>
> I love this bike. It is exceedingly comfortable and beautiful. 
>
> Last month I took delivery of a Homer,  which I had built up to be a 
> zippy road bike with a classic look: 9 speed friction shifting using the 
> Dia Compe shifters to XT derailleur, Rene Herse crankset, Paul brakes, 
> the 
> TRP drilled brake levers, with Velocity Quill rims on Deore hubs. 
>
> [image: IMG_2739.jpeg]
>
>
>
>
>
> That said, as beautiful as this bike is, I haven't been able to get 
> comfortable on it. I am too stretched out. I have tried raising the bars 
> a 
> bit from these pics, but fundamentally I think the reach is too long. I 
> gave my height/PBH to Antonio at Rivendell, and they set the bike up with 
> an 80mm stem. I have ordered a 70mm version of the stem, though I'm 
> concerned that's getting pretty short. Next step if that's not enough is 
> try a shorter-reach handlebar, in a narrower size.  If that doesn't work 
> I 
> fear I will need to sell the bike. I could replace the drops w

[RBW] Re: Lugged Susie at Hope Cyclery

[Tim Bantham]

While I agree that this would be a great deal for someone I wanted to point 
out that this is the fillet brazed version and not the new lugged version 
that are on pre-sale at Riv HQ today. 

On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 11:42:52 AM UTC-5 rolling...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Hey all,
> Sharing a screenshot from Hope Cyclery's insta feed with some details on 
> this almost-complete Susie that's up for sale. Just needs shifters, grips 
> and pedals. Jarrod's closing his store soon and somehow this bike is still 
> hanging around. He'd love to find it a loving home before he hits the road. 
> You can contact Jarrod through his website 
>  or you can google the shop name 
> and get the phone number.  
>
>
> [image: Hope_Susie.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: TA Specialites Cranks at Analog Cycles

[Tim Bantham]

A couple of thoughts on this. 

1) These cranks are gorgeous. Seeing them in person will make you lust 
after them
2) Analog's price includes labor to assemble the crankset
3) If you buy these why not buy them from great people at one of the best 
shops in the US. 

On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 8:59:25 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I added up the exact parts Analog uses from the PW site and it came out $5 
> more. Analog does all of the assembly as well which is not a huge deal but 
> even small bits of time are worth something. So Analog has the better deal 
> by a tiny amount.
>
> I put a NOS TA Zephyr on my Proto-Gallop. Such a beautiful, lightweight,  
> and well made crank. It was replaced by TA with the Carmina which is 
> equally nice but I preferred the Zephyr. So I recommend that product.
>
>
>
> On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 8:43:43 AM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> That's some fuzzy math. ;-) The Analog price seems to be in line with the 
>> market. Although, I think the Rivendell Silver cranksets are a good value 
>> for an excellent product.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 8:20:24 AM UTC-5 Andy Beichler wrote:
>>
>>> When I add the prices you listed for Peter White's site, I get a $10 
>>> savings.  Did I misread your post?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 1:49:36 AM UTC-5 Nick Payne wrote:
>>>
 When I look at Peter White's website, he sells a pair of Carmina 
 crankarms for $243, spider for $92, and a pair of TA chainrings will set 
 you back another $100 or so. That's around a $250 saving over the Analog 
 Cycles price...

 Nick Payne

>>>

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[RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

[Tim Bantham]

Incredible Bill! Can't wait to see the build progress. 

On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 4:58:28 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:

> Are you planning to provide a component list (make & model) when you're 
> done with the build (e.g., are those Highway One bars?)
>
> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 1:49:24 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I picked up my Pink Roadeo frame, fork, stem and fenders this morning at 
>> Riv HQ.  I took several photos and added them to my Flickr album with no 
>> commentary (yet):
>>
>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720313109003/
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
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Re: [RBW] FS: Mark's Rack and R-10 Rack

[Tim Bantham]

Both racks have been sold! 

On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 1:12:15 PM UTC-4 jmlmu...@gmail.com wrote:

> I’ll take the R-10! Sending you a PM. 
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joe
>
> On Oct 28, 2022, at 10:01 AM, Tim Bantham  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Up for sale are two highly sought-after Nitto racks. The proverbially 
> Mark's and the fantastic bag support R-10. 
>
> Mark's Rack shipped to your door in the lower 48 - $140 Comes with four 
> Nitto rack stays that had been mounted at the mid fork on a 62 cm fram. 
>
> Nitto R-10 Bag Support - Great minimalist rack for mounting a rear saddle 
> bag. Shipped to your door in the lower 48 for $120. Rack comes with stays 
> that are approximately 13 CM long. 
>
> Let me know if interested. 
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Two Riv Complete Bikes

[Tim Bantham]

Appaloosa has now sold and I decided to hang on to the Sam. FS post on the 
Sam has been deleted. 

On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 7:18:23 PM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:

> Bike is located in Upstate New York. Sorry for that omission. 
>
> On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 6:20:34 PM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:
>
>> Hello Riv Friends, 
>>
>> I am letting go of two of my Rivendell bicycles. Both are complete 
>> builds. There is the typical beausage that you would expect to see on a 
>> bike that is a few years old that is meant to be ridden and not hung on the 
>> wall.Both builds feature nice parts all around. 
>>
>> As of now I prefer to sell local to a buyer in my region of the country 
>> but would be willing to consider shipping if the buyer paid shipping cost 
>> and had enough patience.  I could drive to meet up with a perspective buyer 
>> within reason. Open to discussing options. Serious inquiries only please. I 
>> am not interested in parting bikes out so please don't ask. Can provide 
>> more photo details upon request. Posting bikes separately due to space 
>> restrictions.  
>>
>>
>>
>> *Bike #12017 Joe Appaloosa*
>>
>> Frame 62 cm lugged steel HiHo Silver DTT
>> Wheels - Velocity Cliff Hangers Polished Silver
>> Front Hub - SON 28 Dynohub 36 hole Polished Silver
>> Rear Hub - White Industries MI5 36 hole Polished Silver
>> Crankset - White Industries Square Taper Road Silver 175mm
>> Chainrings - White Industries VBC 38x24
>> Front Der. Shimano CX-70
>> Rear Der. Shimano Deore 
>> Shifters - Shimano Dura Ace mounted on Paul Thumbies
>> Bottom Bracket - Shimano UN-55
>> Cassette - Shimano 9 Speed 11 x 34
>> Brakes - Paul Motolites Black W/ Kool Stop Replaceable Cartridge Pads
>> Brake Levers - Paul Love Levers Silver
>> Bars- Nitto Billie Bars
>> Stem - Nitto Tallux 13 cm 
>> Seatpost - Nitto S86 Silver
>> Tires - Schwalbe 2.4” Thunder Burts set up tubeless
>> Front Bag - Fabio’s Chest. Grey Xpac built by Swift 
>> Front support - Pec-Deck
>> Light - Schmidt Edulux II
>> Saddle -Brooks B17 Special
>> Pedals - Spank Ouzy
>>
>> Extras - Could throw in a rear Nitto R-18 Bag support rack
>>
>> *Asking - $2,500 Complete Bike*
>>
>>
>>
>> [image: IMG_3866.jpeg]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Build Opinions

[Tim Bantham]

Ted, I've got to say that Ana Purple color is one of the nicest colors I've 
seen on a Riv. Looks great! I'll offer my feedback as a former Appa owner. 
I've tried Albatross, Billie's and Jones Loop bars. Of those three the 
Billie's were my favorite. The Albatross didn't over enough hand positions. 
The Jones bars are very practical and make for great touring bars but I 
never could warm up to the aesthetics of the Jones. The Billie's are 
classic Riv and they just go perfectly IMHO. 

I sold my Appa in the fall of last year and have had quite a few regrets 
about doing so. Oh well, maybe I'll try an Atlantis next time! 

Tim 

On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 11:14:37 AM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:

> My Hunqa has a Discord Fingerling Stem with 70mm reach and a Jones Loop 
> Bar (710) - it's a great setup
> Max
>
> On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 9:58:21 AM UTC-4 Dave Grossman wrote:
>
>> I once heard an interview with Jeff Jones on how to set up his H-Bar and 
>> he mentioned using a stem short enough so that you can fully utilize his 
>> bars.  If the stem is too long, the curve at the front won't be used for 
>> more "aero" riding and if it is too short the grips won't be comfy either.
>>
>> I've tried to apply this to my Hunq and I ended up running a 120/Albas on 
>> it!  I suggest trying a few setups on the Joe until you feel like you can 
>> utilize it in full.
>>
>> On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 2:40:40 AM UTC-5 Eric Grim wrote:
>>
>>> Focusing on the question, what kinds of bars do people like on their 
>>> Appaloosas, I had Nitto *North Road* bars on mine for a while (now, my 
>>> Grant Petersen-designed Soma *San Marcos* is wearing them).  I don't 
>>> think Nitto is making those bars anymore, but there are lots that are 
>>> pretty similar, including the Choco and Albastache.  I like them a lot.
>>>
>>> Presently my Appaloosa has Nitto VS touring/butterfly bars.  I haven't 
>>> ridden with them much yet.
>>>
>>> I took some pics but couldn't figure out how to paste them into this 
>>> reply.
>>>
>>> Eric Grim
>>> Spokane (just north of the Palouse, where the Appaloosa horse came from.)
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 7:08:44 AM UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Got my Appa on Monday, built it yesterday and commuted to work on it 
 today. First impressions are that it's exactly what I had hoped for. The 
 ride is amazing and it feels so plush while still remaining responsive; 
 nimble yet stable. But I think it could still be better and I want to 
 channel the wisdom of the group.

 Currently, I have the bike built with drop bars (50cm V/O Randonneur). 
 However, I know this frame, like many of the Riv frames, is really built 
 with swept back bars in mind. Knowing this, I went with a stem that's 
 about 
 half my "typical" length. Unfortunately, it still feels like quite a reach 
 to get on the hoods, not impossible, but not "normal". So, this is where 
 my 
 question starts:

 Do I continue to try shortening the stem, say to maybe 30-40mm, or do I 
 give in to my swept bar destiny and spring for some new bars? And if I go 
 with sweeps, which bars do people like on the Appa? I have 65mm Tosco bars 
 on my Gus and it's wonderful on that bike, but being that I don't want to 
 be quite so upright (and there's not quite as much room) on the Appa. I 
 was 
 thinking of going with either Billie or Albatross bars. The two are so 
 similar, however, that I'm having a hard time deciding between the two. 
 I'm 
 probably splitting hairs, as usual, but I'm genuinely curious to see what 
 y'all think.

 Cheers,
 -- 
 Ted Wood < ted.l...@gmail.com >

>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto face plater stem, Tektro R559 calipers, Fab's Abs X11 bag

[Tim Bantham]

PM'd on the Tektro R559's

On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 11:35:28 AM UTC-4 psc...@gmail.com wrote:

> A few items for sale in nice shape..
>
> -Nitto tig'd face plater stem 60mm / 31.8 bar clamp - no scratches   $100 
> shipped
>
> -IRD Heron tig'd face plater stem 100mm / 31.8 bar clamp - a few insertion 
> marks - $70 shipped
>
> -Tektro R559 brake set (recessed allen) one bike's worth. $60 shipped
>
> -Ron's Fab's Abs X11 tan handlebar bag - very light!  barely used $85 
> shipped
>
> Located in VA
>
> photos here..
>
> https://www.flickr.com/gp/147564748@N06/upJ2287115
>
> thanks!  -Scott 
>
>
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[RBW] Anyone Tried RH Snoqualmie Pass on a Sam?

[Tim Bantham]

Thinking about new tires for my Sam. Has anyone fit the 700x44 Rene Herse 
Snoqualmie pass? My Sam is circa 2014 and has Paul Racers. Easily clears a 
38 so I am thinking about going ever larger to the 44. Anyone out there who 
has tried this tire on their  non-canti Sam?

Tim

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Re: [RBW] Anyone Tried RH Snoqualmie Pass on a Sam?

[Tim Bantham]

Hmmm. You all have me thinking about giving them a try. It is an expensive 
experiment however. I've have found through the years that a 38mm tire 
feels ideal on a Sam. Maybe I should stick with it since I ride 90% on 
pavement with it. Just because I can fit them doesn't necessarily mean that 
I should. I doubt I would have a much different experience with the 
Snoqualmie's over the Barlow Pass. I am riding Velocity Quill Rims which 
are nice and wide a 21mm interal width. 

On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 12:01:22 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Question for everyone who is using Snoqualmie Passes: what is the actual 
> width on your rims, and on how wide are your rims?
>
> Thanks.
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Re: [RBW] Anyone Tried RH Snoqualmie Pass on a Sam?

[Tim Bantham]

Eric, that is a beautiful build! I wish my Sam looked as nice. I've decided 
to go for the 44 Snoqualmie's. I'll post pictures once I get them set up. 
Thanks for the inspiration!

On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 8:06:45 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Tim — I have a 2009 Sam Hillborne and I run Snoqualmie Pass tires with 
> Paul MiniMoto brakes. No trouble removing the tires, no need to deflate. 
> Looks like I'd have room for up to a 48mm without fenders. 
>
> The RH tires are certainly expensive but I've found the extralight and 
> endurance casings are the best, the standard casings just so-so.  The 
> extralights are dreamy and, in my experience, faster tires. 
>
> [image: IMG_1369 3.jpg]
>
> On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 1:27:20 PM UTC-4 J C wrote:
>
>> Tim, you should be good to go. The RH 44s generally run small. I've fit 
>> them under the tektro sidepulls on my 2014 blue Sam no problemo!
>>
>> -James
>>
>> On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 6:23:42 PM UTC-7 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Can’t speak to your tire clearance but I just put these tires on my 
>>> gravel bike (measured 43.75 for the extra light on 25mm ID rims) and 
>>> they’re fricken amazing. Feel fast on the road and capable of up to medium 
>>> gravel. 
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 10, 2023 at 6:17 PM Tim Bantham  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thinking about new tires for my Sam. Has anyone fit the 700x44 Rene 
>>>> Herse Snoqualmie pass? My Sam is circa 2014 and has Paul Racers. Easily 
>>>> clears a 38 so I am thinking about going ever larger to the 44. Anyone out 
>>>> there who has tried this tire on their  non-canti Sam?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tim
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Anyone Tried RH Snoqualmie Pass on a Sam?

[Tim Bantham]

Thanks Charlie, Cheers to you as a fellow DTT Sam rider. I also have that 
same crankset. I've decided to go for the 44's. I think I will fit them no 
problem. Photos to follow. 

On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 10:14:45 AM UTC-4 charlie...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey Tim,
>
> I rode the Snoqualmie Pass tires on my Sam with Paul Racers and VO fenders 
> and never had any issues. Really loved those tires. Now I have some Oracle 
> Ridge 48mm and they have a good amount of clearance. No fenders though!
>
> [image: IMG-6534.jpg]
>
> On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 9:14:38 AM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:
>
>> Eric, that is a beautiful build! I wish my Sam looked as nice. I've 
>> decided to go for the 44 Snoqualmie's. I'll post pictures once I get them 
>> set up. Thanks for the inspiration!
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 8:06:45 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Tim — I have a 2009 Sam Hillborne and I run Snoqualmie Pass tires 
>>> with Paul MiniMoto brakes. No trouble removing the tires, no need to 
>>> deflate. Looks like I'd have room for up to a 48mm without fenders. 
>>>
>>> The RH tires are certainly expensive but I've found the extralight and 
>>> endurance casings are the best, the standard casings just so-so.  The 
>>> extralights are dreamy and, in my experience, faster tires. 
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_1369 3.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 1:27:20 PM UTC-4 J C wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tim, you should be good to go. The RH 44s generally run small. I've fit 
>>>> them under the tektro sidepulls on my 2014 blue Sam no problemo!
>>>>
>>>> -James
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 6:23:42 PM UTC-7 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Can’t speak to your tire clearance but I just put these tires on my 
>>>>> gravel bike (measured 43.75 for the extra light on 25mm ID rims) and 
>>>>> they’re fricken amazing. Feel fast on the road and capable of up to 
>>>>> medium 
>>>>> gravel. 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jul 10, 2023 at 6:17 PM Tim Bantham  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thinking about new tires for my Sam. Has anyone fit the 700x44 Rene 
>>>>>> Herse Snoqualmie pass? My Sam is circa 2014 and has Paul Racers. Easily 
>>>>>> clears a 38 so I am thinking about going ever larger to the 44. Anyone 
>>>>>> out 
>>>>>> there who has tried this tire on their  non-canti Sam?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>>
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[RBW] Re: Asheville Riv Rendesvous Recap

[Tim Bantham]

This is fantastic! Sorry I missed it. I was in Asheville back in 2016 and 
loved the area. Visiting the Biltmore Estate was cool and there are some 
great craft breweries as you all discovered. I need to try to make the next 
one. Would love to get together will fellow Riv riders. 

On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 9:31:50 AM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:

> Just a quick recap from our fantastic Riv weekend in Asheville.
>
> It was a blast. Almost 25 riders from Indiana to FL, including 10 local 
> folks. Everyone was great and the bikes were, as you can imagine, almost 
> all rivs, but we did let in a bridgestone :).  A Hunq, 5 Appaloosas, a 
> couple of Atlanti, 3 or 4 gorgeous customs, the famous Betty Foy ridden 
> 72.000 miles by Pam (yes 72K!), a purple Rosco Platypus, a pumpkin 
> platypus, a couple of Sams, and two Salukis, a Gus, and probably some more 
> that I'm forgetting.
>
> Some highlights:
> The River Arts District greenway ride followed by beer and dinner at New 
> Belgium Brewing, where our bikes took up and spilled over the entire bike 
> rack system.
>
> Our Bent Creek Gravel rides - three groups had a splendid day with not too 
> hot temps, no rain, and perfect fire roads.
>
> Two friendly bears who realized they were in the poster and better make an 
> appearance.
>
> Our bike parts garage sale, where everyone realized that we were all 
> trying to get rid of lots of tires, stems, handlebars, bags, etc. that 
> everyone else there already had. We all have a bike parts hoarding problem.
>
> Beer and dinner at The Wedge brewery Saturday night.
>
> The fabulous poster from Brian.
>
> All of the fun people that came together with amazing bikes, great 
> personalities, and brought all of their fun to the weekend.
>
> Enthusiastic agreement that we should do it all again, maybe in during a 
> fall or spring timeframe.
>
> And thanks to a very gracious offer from Leah, she put our pics and videos 
> together into one of her great videos - THANK YOU, LEAH!  A link to her 
> video is below if you'd like to watch it.
>
> https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0xG1CvrSGHQ6um
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Re: [RBW] ISO Roadini...or?

[Tim Bantham]

Well I was all set to buy one of these Roadini frames today but now I'm 
having second thoughts. Like some of you have mentioned I find them 
aesthetically pleasing (especially the Sergio's Green) but I am feeling 
unsure about whether or not I would be happy with how it rides.  I've 
churned through too many bikes and I just don't want to make the same 
mistake.. It's an affliction that we all share. I have a Sam that I 
absolutely love. It's my first Riv and I decided that I never want to part 
with it.  My only other experience with a tig welded Riv was a Clem H. I 
realize that this is subjective but the Clem H didn't do it for me at all. 
I sold it not long after I finished the build. 
I'm afraid I might have the same experience with a the Roadini. I feel like 
I need to trust my instincts but the pull of FOMO is very strong. 
On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 10:47:27 AM UTC-4 Brian Cunningham wrote:

> Since I now own both a Sam and a Roadini (as of last month), the latter is 
> noticeably zippier. The difference I feel in going from a stop to 
> accelerating to a normal cruising speed is palpable. The Roadini just gets 
> there faster and climbs more nimbly. My feelings seem to be supported by 
> data. Now we’re not talking crazy differences in speed, but my rather flat 
> commute   is somewhere around 14mph on the Sam and exceeds 15mph on the 
> Roadini. (Though nobody rides a riv to break speed records, I like mapping 
> my rides to keep track of mileage, and as a side benefit, I get to see the 
> speeds, too.)
>
> The Sam has a nitto rack/Wald 137/sugarloaf, while the Roadini has just a 
> Fab’s Abs handlebar bag and a tiny Acorn bag in the rear for 
> tools/tubes/patch kit. 
>
> At this point I see myself leaning on the Roadini except in cases where I 
> need to carry more stuff. Tire clearance is about the same between my 2015 
> side pull Sam and ‘22 Roadini. The Sam of course has braze-ons that the 
> Roadini doesn’t. 
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Brian
> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 7:22:47 AM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> My '93 RB-1 fit 32mm Avocet inverted thread cross-type tires. I bought 
>> the frame and fork (it came with a headset) and weighed it at the time. It 
>> was 6.2 pounds or so (corroborated here: 
>> https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vintage/778487-bridgestone-rb-1-1993-a.html).
>>  
>> My Roadini, by contrast weighed about a pound more. I put some parts I had 
>> lying around and on it and it weighed about 22 pounds ready to ride 
>> (pedals, bottle cages, etc). I can't tell whether it's stiffer, but it's 
>> definitely more flexy than my Ti touring bike which has 43cm chainstays and 
>> is modeled after the RB-1.
>>
>> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 5:35:06 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I wish I had a breakdown by model and year (I don't!) but the 
>>> Bridgestone RB series varied the tire clearances by year. Some years fit a 
>>> bigger tire than others. For example, the TIG welded 1990 RB-2 could clear 
>>> a 32mm tire. I haven't encountered apocrypha indicating *any* RB-1 
>>> could clear more than a 28mm. 
>>>
>>> More on that 1990 RB-2 here: 
>>> https://www.sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/pdfs/bstoneRB2synergy1990.pdf
>>>
>>> As Ex Lion Tamer alludes to, there are other frames out there you can 
>>> find that are cheaper than a top tier Bridgestone. Those frames have a lot 
>>> of cache and often are not cheap. 
>>>
>>> Here's another helpful iBOB thread with some discussion on RB-1 ride 
>>> quality and suggestions for other frames to seek out: 
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/internet-bob/c/IYFf1tLmYPM/ 
>>>
>>> Grant would say that any Riv is better than any Bridgestone. Better made 
>>> and without compromises. If your POV on tubing and geometry aligns with 
>>> Grant's then Robert's your mother's brother. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 8:24:18 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 The RB's in the 90's were advertised as around 22 lb total for a 
 mid-sized frame and that was built with a lot of non-light parts. I would 
 guess the frame is lighter weight and flexier than a roadini.

 On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 7:46:23 AM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:

> If the Roadini with its double oversized tubing is lighter than an 
> RB1… I would be very surprised. I’ve owned both, but probably 20 years 
> apart. But tall head tubes, long chainstays, and heavy tubing all add up 
> quickly. 
>
> Eric
>
>
> On Thursday, July 20, 2023, exliontamer  wrote:
>
>> An RB-1 is a relatively heavy bike especially in 59cm & up & I 
>> wouldn't be surprised if the Roadini is the same or possibly lighter. 
>> That 
>> said, I don't think that's a bad thing depending on the frame size, your 
>> personal pedaling style/power, weight, etc. When I was focused on only 
>> riding fast I had a 59cm frame with EL/OS tubing that was very thin 
>> walled, 
>> flexy, & light. I'm 6'1" & weighed 1

[RBW] FS: Tektro 559's/Shimano 8 Speed XTR cassette

[Tim Bantham]

So I decided to pass on the Roadini today. For those of you who may have 
picked one up I've got brakes and an really nice Shimano 8 speed XTR 
casette. 

I can do $60 shipped to the lower 48 on the brakes (one bikes worth) 

$70 shipped on the XTR cassette. This is a nice one. The believe the 
largest two cogs are titanium. 

Prices including shipping to the lower 48. Prices are net to me. 

Tim

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

[Tim Bantham]

I think we all have bikes that we regret letting go of. I had a custom 
Gunnar Sport. They called it made to measure so it wasn't 100% custom but 
it was fit to me where it counts. This was a beautiful tig welded steel 
frame with an Enve fork. It accepted 32s and rode like a dream. I ended up 
having a stuck seatpost on this bike and the frame ultimately was ruined 
when I had a friend take it to a machine shop in attempt to extract the 
post. This is a bike I wish I still had. If you can find one out there I 
would second the recommendation if a Gunnar suits you. 

On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 6:26:16 PM UTC-4 Michael Hammer wrote:

> I was going to hold back adding to this thread but now can't resist.  I 
> was the original owner of a 92 RB-1 and sent it off to a new owner about 4 
> months ago.  It was light, "jumped" when I got on it (consider I'm 74 when 
> reading jump), climbed like crazy and handled smoothly and predictably.  
> Largest tire it would take was a 28.  I got a Roadini from the last batch 
> in order to get wider tires and built it up with the cockpit, drive train 
> and wheels (now with 38 Gravelking slicks) from the RB-1.  It is smooth, 
> agile and handles exactly like a Grant bike.  It feels noticeably heavier 
> than the RB-1 when lifting it, doesn't feel heavy on the move but doesn't 
> climb as well.  On a curvy, small rises, downhill switchbacks bike trail 
> for 10 - 15 miles any difference in time is lost in the wind conditions.  I 
> had a very early Waterford All Rounder that always felt slow compared to 
> the RB-1; the Roadini doesn't.  Then a friend made a permanent loan of a 
> Gunnar Crosshairs cross bike with a comparable build to the Roadini.  Aside 
> from the quick handling and high bottom bracket geometry, the frame is 
> great; snappy and climbs and fits 38s.  This is my first and only 
> experience with a cross bike.  I second the suggestion above to consider a 
> Gunnar road sport or Waterford.  If a Gunnar road bike had similar comfort, 
> handling and tire size to the Roadini I'd take it in a heartbeat.  But, it 
> is at least 50% more expensive than the Roadini and Gunnar/Waterford are 
> shutting down.  My wife has a Black Mountain Road v2 which is a really nice 
> bike and fits 32s and maybe 33.3s according to Mike Varley.  But, he 
> doesn't make them anymore.  My wife's is too small to really ride, but felt 
> great and RB-1 like doing loops on the driveway.  And, about as light when 
> lifting into the van.  Good luck.
>
> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 2:55:06 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> The Saluki/Bleriot were 650B bikes, not 700c bikes. Wheel size makes a 
>> world of difference to me.
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 2:51 PM J S  wrote:
>>
>>> I have a question regarding the Roadini vs. the old Saluki and Bleriot 
>>> bikes. I wonder how similar it is to these? I have a Sam and found a Saluki 
>>> in my size so sold my Bleriot. I am not a fan of the lng chainstays, so 
>>> the Sam works perfectly for someone like me. I have fat 48mm tires on it 
>>> and 42’s on the Saluki. Speed is a non issue or will be when my knees let 
>>> me ride again. As I get older a go fast bike would be at the bottom of my 
>>> list, but I did love my old go fast bikes when I was much younger. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 9:14:40 PM UTC-4 brenton...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi all,

 I have really fallen for these luscious new Roadini builds I've seen at 
 Riv and Blue Lug.

 I have a Sam Hillborne and love it. It's been through several 
 iterations of cockpit/racks/bags/brakes/wheels/tires and all have been 
 really fun. Right now it has flat bars with sweep, chunky 47mm tires, and 
 is an excellent all around adventure/trail/camping ride. It's currently my 
 only bike!

 Before the Sam, I rode 90s road bikes exclusively for 20 years, and 
 those worked great for city/commuting/neighborhood/pub rides. I've heard 
 that the Roadini does NOT offer that kind of 
 ride/speed/feel/handling/gusto/whatever, from several folks in this group.

 So am I fooling myself into thinking another $2500 Riv build is going 
 to scratch the itch? Or should I buy a <$500 Japanese Road Bike that can 
 hold 33s and actually feel some performance?

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[RBW] Re: FS: Tektro 559's/Shimano 8 Speed XTR cassette

[Tim Bantham]

Posting a link to photos. Sorry I didn't share this when initially posting 
the FS items. 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/ihaCk5wbgJim5MZz9

On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 6:09:26 PM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:

> So I decided to pass on the Roadini today. For those of you who may have 
> picked one up I've got brakes and an really nice Shimano 8 speed XTR 
> casette. 
>
> I can do $60 shipped to the lower 48 on the brakes (one bikes worth) 
>
> $70 shipped on the XTR cassette. This is a nice one. The believe the 
> largest two cogs are titanium. 
>
> Prices including shipping to the lower 48. Prices are net to me. 
>
> Tim
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Tektro 559's/Shimano 8 Speed XTR cassette

[Tim Bantham]

Forgot to mention count on the cassette is 11/32

Tim

On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 7:48:05 AM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:

> Posting a link to photos. Sorry I didn't share this when initially posting 
> the FS items. 
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/ihaCk5wbgJim5MZz9
>
> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 6:09:26 PM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:
>
>> So I decided to pass on the Roadini today. For those of you who may have 
>> picked one up I've got brakes and an really nice Shimano 8 speed XTR 
>> casette. 
>>
>> I can do $60 shipped to the lower 48 on the brakes (one bikes worth) 
>>
>> $70 shipped on the XTR cassette. This is a nice one. The believe the 
>> largest two cogs are titanium. 
>>
>> Prices including shipping to the lower 48. Prices are net to me. 
>>
>> Tim
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Tektro 559's/Shimano 8 Speed XTR cassette

[Tim Bantham]

Brakes sold. Cassette still available. 

On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 7:53:21 AM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:

> Forgot to mention count on the cassette is 11/32
>
> Tim
>
> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 7:48:05 AM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:
>
>> Posting a link to photos. Sorry I didn't share this when initially 
>> posting the FS items. 
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/ihaCk5wbgJim5MZz9
>>
>> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 6:09:26 PM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>
>>> So I decided to pass on the Roadini today. For those of you who may have 
>>> picked one up I've got brakes and an really nice Shimano 8 speed XTR 
>>> casette. 
>>>
>>> I can do $60 shipped to the lower 48 on the brakes (one bikes worth) 
>>>
>>> $70 shipped on the XTR cassette. This is a nice one. The believe the 
>>> largest two cogs are titanium. 
>>>
>>> Prices including shipping to the lower 48. Prices are net to me. 
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Tektro 559's/Shimano 8 Speed XTR cassette

[Tim Bantham]

Shimano XTR Cassette is an M-950 and still available. Figured I bump this 
one more time for offers. Don't let this vintage bit of Shimano history 
disappear into the bottom of my parts bin!!!  Additional photos available 
upon request. 

On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 11:29:29 AM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:

> Brakes sold. Cassette still available. 
>
> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 7:53:21 AM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:
>
>> Forgot to mention count on the cassette is 11/32
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 7:48:05 AM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>
>>> Posting a link to photos. Sorry I didn't share this when initially 
>>> posting the FS items. 
>>>
>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/ihaCk5wbgJim5MZz9
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 6:09:26 PM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>>
>>>> So I decided to pass on the Roadini today. For those of you who may 
>>>> have picked one up I've got brakes and an really nice Shimano 8 speed XTR 
>>>> casette. 
>>>>
>>>> I can do $60 shipped to the lower 48 on the brakes (one bikes worth) 
>>>>
>>>> $70 shipped on the XTR cassette. This is a nice one. The believe the 
>>>> largest two cogs are titanium. 
>>>>
>>>> Prices including shipping to the lower 48. Prices are net to me. 
>>>>
>>>> Tim
>>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Thinking about Roadini

[Tim Bantham]

I'm going to share my opinion on this but it is just thatmy opinion. 
With that caveat in mind here is how I arrived at the conclusion not to buy 
a Roadini. My first Rivendell, a Sam Hillborne, is now my only Riv in the 
current stable. This is my absolute favorite bike in the world. I have done 
so much on this bike that it is now part of my life story. It was my first 
entry into the "Just Ride" mentality. It broke me out of the mold and 
allowed me to experience the joy of being an Unracer. I've configured it 
multiple ways. I've camped with it, I've climbed some of the toughest 
mountain in Vermont with it, I've explored some of the best gravel roads 
the Northeast has to offer. It has done everything well and has never let 
me down. However, in my experience the one thing the Sam does not do well 
is to hang with the fast guys on my weekend group ride. The bike is simply 
not optimized for that. All of that said, I have never loved a bike. more 
then I love my Sam Hillborne. I will never part with it. 

When I first saw the photos of the Sergio's green Roadini Riv's marketing 
strategy worked exactly as it was designed to do. Convince me that I needed 
to have one. I have other bikes that do not fit the Rivendell ethos. I have 
a carbon fiber road bike with carbon wheels, hydraulic disc brakes and 
electronic shifting. The antithesis of what Riv promotes. Yet this bike 
still has its purpose that suits my riding needs/desires.  If I want to go 
ride with my fellow middle age men in Lycra on a weekend go fast ride I'm 
going to take the carbon bike. I want this bike in my stable but there is 
no soulful connection to this carbon machine.  Nothing like my love for the 
Sam.  

The Roadini was going to scratch an itch that I had to build up a classic 
steel frame with rim brakes and mechanical brifters. I wanted Campagnolo 
parts because I've never owned a bike with Campy. The vision I had for the 
Roadini was to take it on my weekend group ride with my fellow MAMIL 
friends. Sure I could have done this on a Roadini but I question if I would 
have been happy with it.  I had doubts that the geometry would be too 
upright and the chainstays too long. I simply had a hunch that a Roadini 
would not meet my expectation of having the snappy road feel that I look 
for in a bike like this. I was afraid it would feel dull and sluggish. 

Everyone's needs will be different. I've had a Appaloosa and a Clem H. 
Regret selling the Appaloosa all the time but don't regret letting going of 
the Clem H. 

A Roadini would be a great bike for someone under the right circumstances. 
Compared to anything that Surly makes I'd say it would be a marked 
improvement. 

As for me I ultimately bought a used steel Serotta frame in mint condition 
that I will build up with Campy parts. I will scratch the itch that I had 
for a classic rim brake road bike with mechanical shifting but this time it 
won't be another Riv. 


On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 9:03:15 AM UTC-4 Davey Two Shoes wrote:

> Have you considered anything from Crust? I too am interested in a Roadini 
> (Although I dont plan to get one since I just built a Sam and have a 
> Waterford) but I wonder if the Riv philosophy and tubing really is the best 
> choice for a light feeling road bike. Mostly I'm refrrring to the tubing.
>
> My Sam is probably my favorite bike I've owned.
>
> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 1:49:40 AM UTC-4 R. Scott Lake wrote:
>
>> Intrigued by the Roadini release tomorrow.
>>
>>
>>- Current stable is 61cm Cheviot for commutes, groceries- my favorite 
>>ride.
>>- I have.a relatively new 58 Surly Straggler that I am using as my 
>>road bike.
>>- Has always felt a bit aggressive. Get a little sore and numb after 
>>a while.
>>- 90% of my riding is on flat, SC Lowcountry roads- 10-20 miles at a 
>>clip.
>>- 55 years old. PBH=89, 6' 175#
>>
>>
>> Question is whether I will notice a large comfort difference in Roadini 
>> compared to current Straggler.
>>
>> Wish I could do a test ride.
>>
>> Thanks for any thoughts.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Tektro 559's/Shimano 8 Speed XTR cassette

[Tim Bantham]

Bump  and a lower price for XTR Cassette. I bought this for a Roadini build 
that never transpired.

$50 shipped to the lower 48.

Great for those who are curious about pairing with Campy 10 speed brifters 
or maybe you just need an 8 speed cassette. Let me know if interest. 

On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 8:31:22 PM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:

> Shimano XTR Cassette is an M-950 and still available. Figured I bump this 
> one more time for offers. Don't let this vintage bit of Shimano history 
> disappear into the bottom of my parts bin!!!  Additional photos available 
> upon request. 
>
> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 11:29:29 AM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:
>
>> Brakes sold. Cassette still available. 
>>
>> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 7:53:21 AM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>
>>> Forgot to mention count on the cassette is 11/32
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 7:48:05 AM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>>
>>>> Posting a link to photos. Sorry I didn't share this when initially 
>>>> posting the FS items. 
>>>>
>>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/ihaCk5wbgJim5MZz9
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 6:09:26 PM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So I decided to pass on the Roadini today. For those of you who may 
>>>>> have picked one up I've got brakes and an really nice Shimano 8 speed XTR 
>>>>> casette. 
>>>>>
>>>>> I can do $60 shipped to the lower 48 on the brakes (one bikes worth) 
>>>>>
>>>>> $70 shipped on the XTR cassette. This is a nice one. The believe the 
>>>>> largest two cogs are titanium. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Prices including shipping to the lower 48. Prices are net to me. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Tim
>>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Tektro 559's/Shimano 8 Speed XTR cassette

[Tim Bantham]

Cassette has been sold! Thanks all.

On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 9:24:10 AM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:

> Bump  and a lower price for XTR Cassette. I bought this for a Roadini 
> build that never transpired.
>
> $50 shipped to the lower 48.
>
> Great for those who are curious about pairing with Campy 10 speed brifters 
> or maybe you just need an 8 speed cassette. Let me know if interest. 
>
> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 8:31:22 PM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:
>
>> Shimano XTR Cassette is an M-950 and still available. Figured I bump this 
>> one more time for offers. Don't let this vintage bit of Shimano history 
>> disappear into the bottom of my parts bin!!!  Additional photos available 
>> upon request. 
>>
>> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 11:29:29 AM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>
>>> Brakes sold. Cassette still available. 
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 7:53:21 AM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>>
>>>> Forgot to mention count on the cassette is 11/32
>>>>
>>>> Tim
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 7:48:05 AM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Posting a link to photos. Sorry I didn't share this when initially 
>>>>> posting the FS items. 
>>>>>
>>>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/ihaCk5wbgJim5MZz9
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 6:09:26 PM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> So I decided to pass on the Roadini today. For those of you who may 
>>>>>> have picked one up I've got brakes and an really nice Shimano 8 speed 
>>>>>> XTR 
>>>>>> casette. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can do $60 shipped to the lower 48 on the brakes (one bikes worth) 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> $70 shipped on the XTR cassette. This is a nice one. The believe the 
>>>>>> largest two cogs are titanium. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Prices including shipping to the lower 48. Prices are net to me. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>>
>>>>>

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[RBW] Re: New bike decision (help!)

[Tim Bantham]

Based on what you have described I would continue to ride your Krampus as 
you wait for the Susie's to become available. 

My past Riv's that I have personally owned have been an Appaloosa and a 
Clem H. Those bikes are no longer in my stable. Between the two I enjoyed 
riding the Appaloosa off road more so then the Clem H. I build the Clem H 
as a purpose build analog mountain bike. I had a very nice build sparing no 
expense and I hated that bike. Part of the problem is that I wanted the 
bike to more then it was capable of. I live on the east coast where the 
terrain is rocky and rooted. There is a lot of stuff that you have to get 
off and walk with a fully rigged bike, The Clem was too long and unwieldy. 
Riding it was a chore in woods. The long chain stays were more of a bug 
than a feature. To be clear this was the Clem H which Riv no longer makes. 
Maybe the Clem L is better. I am only sharing my opinion based on the Clem 
H. 

On the other hand the Appaloosa was set up as my dirt road touring bike. I 
can share one experience when I was riding with friends who were all on 
full suspension mountain bikes and/or hardtails and I had no difficulty 
keeping up. The terrain on this particular set of trails was fast and flowy 
and not rocky/rooted . The Clem H would have been more cumbersome in that 
same situation. 

I currently have a modern all carbon full suspension mountain bike that 
easily handles the trails near me. Problem is that I don't ride it enough 
so it is currently up for sale. That bike is not easy to live with either. 
The suspension is something that I can't service myself, it has hydraulic 
disc brakes which I consider to be fiddly. AND I really don't like driving 
my bike in the car to get to the trailhead. 

The Rivs that I currently own are a Platypus that I just finished building 
up this month, An A. Homer Hilsen that is currently in my work stand and my 
beloved Sam Hilborne. I've only ridden the Platy about 40 miles so far but 
I love this bike! That said, I  won't love riding the Platypus off road. In 
my opinion its just not the right bike for that. I personally would be much 
more comfortable on the Sam. The Homer will be strictly used as my road 
bike. 

Keep riding the Surly that you own. Wait for the Susie and make a decision 
at that point. I would hesitate to rush into anything else just because 
they are currently available. 

Hope that helps. 




On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 7:51:43 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> The riding you're describing says Susie but - as you say - the Clem L will 
> handle most of it. I don't need lugs either and I love my L (haven't ridden 
> it on trails yet but will), I think this is the way unless you're super 
> into the looks/color of Susie. Also Clem L means cheaper and no waiting! 
>
> On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 8:51:21 AM UTC-8 Gregger wrote:
>
>> Long time listener, first time caller.  
>>
>> It's a bit hard to tell if you lovely folks on this forum enjoy or loathe 
>> these "help me pick a bike" posts - there are a lot of them - but I really 
>> would greatly appreciate your input on my situation.  I bought a Leo 
>> Roadini a while back (my first Riv) and love it for pavement and gravel 
>> roads.  I now want to look into a trail bike for everything from dirt paths 
>> to midwestern single track (grounded and cautious - I'm 62 years).
>>
>> So, I'm torn between a Platypus (love the aesthetics) and a Clem L (the 
>> ride experience is evidently sublime?). Or should I wait for the new 
>> stouter Susie to arrive (did I mention I weigh 205 lbs?).  I only ride for 
>> exercise a couple of hours a day, so no lugging weight on racks or bags . . 
>> .  would I overwhelm the Platypus frame in the woods?  Would the Clem have 
>> the ground clearance for roots and rocks?  
>>
>> Obviously the Susie would be the safe and conservative choice, but I'm 
>> not a very patient person (this May? Any guarantees?), and I really do love 
>> the purple Platypus available currently.  The Clem L would offer a slightly 
>> larger tire clearance, and the low(ish) bottom bracket height would likely 
>> be sufficient 94.3 % of the time; and tig welds are just fine with me 
>> (sorry for the hurt feelings).
>>
>> Or, a forth option - to be truly difficult, should I keep riding my Surly 
>> Krampus in the woods and continue to risk wiping out and injuring myself - 
>> it just demands to be ridden with abandon, and I scare myself.  That's my 
>> problem I guess, not the bike's.
>>
>> Thank you so much in advance.  I know I've probably left out relevant 
>> information, but I've tried to keep this somewhat short.  Fail.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Anyone else not a fan of the very long chainstays?

[Tim Bantham]

I can relate to this. For me there are pros and cons. For example, the Clem 
I bought a few years ago was intended to be an analog mountain bike. I 
found the long chainstays to be a liability for east coast single track. 
This is especially the case with tight turns and the need to carry the 
bike. If I had to do it all over for the type of MTB riding that I have 
available to me I would go for a bike with shorter stays and a lighter 
frame. That said, I love the longer chainstays on my Sam as compared to a 
regular road/gravel  bike. Definitely noticeable on the descents. I ride my 
Sam on dirt roads quite a bit and the long stay really shines in that 
situation.


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Re: [RBW] Ron's Ortho... stem question

[Tim Bantham]

My recommendation would be to always chose the faceplater stem over the 
talux. The first consideration is the four bolt design will give you a more 
secure clamping service. Those bars are wide and you'll put a good amount 
of force into them while riding. The four bolts securing the face plate 
will be stronger. The second reason and perhaps most import is that it is 
so much easier to swap bars with a faceplater. As far as length It depends 
on how much room you need. You didn't say what bike you are putting them on 
but you have to consider your top tube length and the HT/ST angles. 

On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 2:46:11 PM UTC-4 iamkeith wrote:

>
> I can't offer much input regarding length, without knowing more about you 
> and your bike, but can offer this in case it helps:  I just swapped a Ron's 
> Ortho bar in place of a 65cm Riv Tosco bar, mainly because it was black.  
> The two bars are almost identical in terms of rise and reach and sweep.  I 
> still have the Tosco on one bike (Susie), with a 135 faceplater.  The Ortho 
> is has a 120 stem, but on a frame with a significantly longer top tube 
> (Scapegoat), so almost comparable reach in the end.  In both cases, I wish 
> my stem was even longer, but they're hard to find and I do have a uniquely 
> long torso, too.  Main point is that if  you have access to a Tosco, you 
> can extrapolate safely.  Ron's has more graceful curves and doesn't have 
> the fugly 31.8mm bulge at the clamp area but Tosco, being steel, is MUCH 
> stiffer and therefore the superior bar from a practical standpoint. Ortho 
> is too flexy, but aesthetically superior.   Either one achieves the most 
> comfortable cockpit I've ever owned.  
> On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 12:18:52 PM UTC-6 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> It’s 26.0 clamp diameter.
>>
>> On Mar 10, 2024, at 2:04 PM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>>
>> Chris, are you changing handlebar on an existing bike or, is this a new 
>> build? If the former & when I did a bar swap on my Gus, I was able to 
>> determine stem length with a couple of measurements. I always prefer a 4 
>> bolt stem but as I understand it the ortho bar has an unusual clamp size?
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 10, 2024, at 1:13 PM, Brian Turner  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Without having the most important factors (frame, size, and what you’re 
>> currently running), I’d say going with a faceplater type stem would be a 
>> good idea because these are very wide bars, and it’s good to have a stem 
>> that will clamp down on them more securely than a single bolt quill stem.
>>
>> I currently have Ortho bars on my 54cm Gus, and I’m using a 110mm Nitto 
>> threadless stem with 4 bolts on the faceplate.
>>
>> -Brian
>> Lexington KY 
>>
>> On Mar 10, 2024, at 1:03 PM, Chris K  wrote:
>>
>> Hey all, I've got some Ortho Bars in my cart and looking for stem advice 
>> from those who use this bar. Obv there are multiple fit and frame factors 
>> that play into something like this, but curious what people are generally 
>> going with. Here are the options I'm deciding between:
>>
>> - Faceplater 110mm
>> - Faceplater 135mm
>> - Tallux 12cm
>>
>> Will the 110 Faceplater be too short?
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[RBW] Re: Give this guy a Like and a Subscribe

[Tim Bantham]

I've been following him on Instagram. He's got a nice collection of Riv's 
and is constantly posting riding videos. No bike no likes right? I 
subscribed to the YouTube channel. 

On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 8:39:37 PM UTC-4 weste...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks for sharing -- nice understated video that really is worth watching 
> -- makes me want to go cycle in Korea!  
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, Il 
>
>
> On Saturday, March 9, 2024 at 10:16:40 PM UTC-6 Hoch in ut wrote:
>
>> Nice video of his adventures aboard a Clem in Korea. 
>>
>> https://youtu.be/IFoDkOQjk08?si=tOa6oP0IbiZmwNRQ
>>
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[RBW] Re: Soliciting opinions: help me pick the right Rivendell

[Tim Bantham]

I am a current Sam Hillborne owner. Like Jason Fuller said this is the bike 
that I'd never sell. I love it so much and it does everything that I need 
it to do on both paved and dirt roads. That would be a top pick based on 
your planned use case. I recently expanded my stable of Riv's to include 
both a Platypus and an A. Homer Hilsen. Based on my current offerings the 
Sam is the one I'd reach for if I plan to ride mostly dirt roads. I have 
44's on it which makes it a great gravel bike. Also the chainstays are long 
without being super long making it a very stable descender. I've tried 
every handlebar configuration you can imagine and they all worked great on 
the Sam. I currently have it set up with wide drop bars and a short 5 cm 
stem. It rides great with this set up. 

My Platypus is going to be my all arounder, grocery getter, bike path rider 
and maybe even an s240. My AHH is my dedicated road bike with 38's but I 
wouldn't hesitate to ride it on dirt if given the opportunity. 

I would suggest the Sam. 



On Monday, April 8, 2024 at 3:27:53 AM UTC-4 jkg...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi, Bud, 
>
> I'm sure this has been posted at some point in the past, but I stumbled 
> upon this the other day and thought it might be of interest both to you and 
> others on this thread.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx83uMhIgKA
>
> Otherwise, for what it's worth, I think the suggestions above are great.  
> Based on your intended use, I would agree with those who suggest the 
> Hilborne.  Don't have one, but had the good fortune to ride one for several 
> weeks -- thanks, again, Max! -- and loved it.  If I had to downsize from my 
> Homer and my Atlantis to a single bike that would suit the purposes they 
> serve for me — long road rides, commutes, on and off road, etc. -- it would 
> be my choice.
>
> Best,
> jason
>
> On Monday, April 8, 2024 at 4:32:53 AM UTC+2 Erik wrote:
>
>> Evening, 
>>
>> Based on the parameters and details you provided, I think that a 
>> Hillborne or Appaloosa would work well.  Or an Atlantis instead of the 
>> Appaloosa.  I have all three, all set up very differently, but each has 
>> gone through a lot of iterations.  The key for me would be what type of 
>> trails you are wanting to ride, your size, and trail riding style.  The 
>> Hillborne is a great bike, fun on the road and pretty nimble on the trail. 
>>  The Hillborne has a smaller tire width max and lighter tubes.  The 
>> Appaloosa or the Atlantis are longer and have stouter tubes.  They also 
>> take up to a 2.2 tire.  I've run both as primarily trail bikes and they 
>> handled pretty much anything I wanted to ride except for the most extreme 
>> trails in my local parks.  They work really well as trail bikes.  I've run 
>> them with 1x 11 (50 large cog) set ups, 3 x 9  with 11-34 cassettes, and 
>> now as 2x.  I live in northern California and do a lot of climbing.  The 
>> gearing has always been fantastic.  My Appaloosa was my primary commuting 
>> bike for about five years.
>>
>> Here's my Instagram if you want to get a look at some of the set ups that 
>> I've used over the years.  It's mostly bikes: 
>> https://www.instagram.com/lith.o.carp.us/
>>
>> Hope that helps!
>>
>> Erik
>>
>> On Friday, April 5, 2024 at 5:43:49 PM UTC-7 Bud Suttree wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> With all that said, of the current offerings, what would y’all recommend? 
>>
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Sizing question for "in between" PBH measurement

[Tim Bantham]

Without taking a deep dive into the geometry numbers I wanted to share my 
personal experience.  For reference my other Rivs are a 62 Sam and a 60 
Platypus. My PBH is 93.5 cm. Going by Rivendell's approach to sizing I 
ordered a 61.5 Homer earlier this year. I ordered the Platypus and the AHH 
at the same time and asked Will to hold off on shipping them because I was 
scheduled to be away from home for an extended period. My plan for the AHH 
was to use it as a drop bar road bike. While I was waiting for the bikes to 
ship I studied the geometry comparisons on Bike Insights of my 62 Sam and 
the 61.5 AHH. After much hand wringing I became considered that the reach 
was longer then I was comfortable with. After discussing it with Will I 
decided to size down to the 58 Homer knowing that this would be a drop bar 
set up. Comparing the 58 Homer to the 62 Sam that I already own the 
geometry was pretty close. I am riding the Homer with a 8 cm stem and 
Noodle bars. The Sam has a 5 Cm stem and Crust X Nitto Shaka bars.  There 
is a little more seat post showing than I normally would have but at the 
end of the day I am perfectly happy with the fit of the 58 Homer. If you 
have uncertainty about sizing my recommendation is to consult geo sites 
like Bike Insights but it's really important to talk to the guys at 
Rivendell. They do a great job with size recommendation. 
On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 9:04:11 PM UTC-4 Mathias Steiner wrote:

> This is a useful discussion.I looked up Sam geometry for myself. The bikes 
> that fit me have top tube lengths of 56 to 59 cm, and they come in seat 
> tube lengths from 52 to 64 cm -- that last one a Cannondale ST600 in 25", 
> great riding bike, that gives me basically zero standover clearance. I ride 
> it with a Nitto Noodle and a 60 mm long Technomic stem.
>
> The 57 cm Sam has an "effective "top-tube length of 60 cm.
> The 54 cm has 58 cm, right in the middle of my accustomed range.
>
> My Bruce Gordon/Taiwan BLT has just about the same geometry as my 
> Cannondale T400 in 23" size -- 58.4 cm top tube, and those bikes fit really 
> well. 
> The BLT is the one with the 52 cm (c-to-c) seat tube. I talked to the man 
> himself whne I bought it, because that seemed so small, and he convinced me 
> (*).
>
> So for me, 6 foot nothing and 89 cm PBH, I'd get the 54 Sam since I want 
> the drop bar, never mind the Rivendell sizing charts. 
> They can say "works great with drops or upright bars," and not really be 
> wrong," but it's hardly the same bike then. 
>  
> I took this picture on my winter beater to illustrate the point. There's 
> 10-15 cm difference in the hand positions between the drop bar (VO 
> Randonneur) and the Nitto Northrads bar, which has fairly mild width and 
> backsweep.  With an Albatross or Bosco, I might want the 60 cm Sam with 
> the  61.5 top tube and the 87.9 cm standover.
>
>  [image: behindbars.jpg]
>
> cheers -mathias
>
> (*) Bruce Gordon was nice to me!
> Wasn't there a T shirt with that slogan? 
> We lost an icon when he died.
>
> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 8:20:44 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> That I can't say BUT if you go with the 54 might I suggest the Billie 
>> bars? They are similar to the Albatross but go back a bit further. Quite 
>> luxurious.
>>
>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 8:13:32 PM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:
>>
>>> That does make sense. I wonder if a 130 stem with the Albatross bars on 
>>> the 51 would give enough knee clearance, because I definitely want to run 
>>> those bars. 
>>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 8:08:44 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 I would never question Rivendell's knowledge on anything at all but 
 like I said their method of sizing bikes for people does not work for me 
 personally. If you are comfortable on the 55 Salsa the 54 SH will feel a 
 lot bigger. The 51 will likely feel pretty close. But I don't want to 
 discourage sizing up especially if you are diving into the sweptback 
 movement the kids are into these days.

 On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 8:02:45 PM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:

> OP here, apologies for deleting the post amidst the thoughtful 
> conversation, I thought that I got the answer I needed and didn't want to 
> clutter up the board :p 
>
> Will at Riv suggested that I size up to the 54. 
>
> The context was: compared to my current bike, a drop-bar 55cm Salsa 
> Vaya's standover of 77.6cm and top tube of 55cm...
>
> 51 Sam standover: 78.6 (+1cm from Vaya)
> 51 Sam top tube: 56.5 (+1.5cm from Vaya) 
>
> 54 Sam standover: 82.0 (+4.4cm from Vaya) 
> 54 Sam top tube:  58 (+3cm from Vaya) 
>
> An 83.8 PBH was the highest measurement out of the 10 or so times I 
> measured. Most of the time it was 81.2 - 82.5 range. I'm 5'11 with a 30" 
> inseam. Riv says a 51 Sam is 79-83 and a 54 is 83-86. That nearly 2" 
> increase of standover height gives me pause, to be 

[RBW] WTB: Nitto R10, R14 or RBW 51

[Tim Bantham]

In the market for a a rear rack for two separate bikes. 

A Nitto R-10 and R14 would work great! Anyone have one collecting dust?

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto R10, R14 or RBW 51

[Tim Bantham]

R10 found! @Bill I didn't receive your PM. Checked junk folder but nothing. 
Please try again when you are able. 



On Tuesday, April 30, 2024 at 1:02:32 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I messaged you regarding an RBW51 in my holdings.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Tuesday, April 30, 2024 at 6:19:22 AM UTC-7 Tim Bantham wrote:
>
>> In the market for a a rear rack for two separate bikes. 
>>
>> A Nitto R-10 and R14 would work great! Anyone have one collecting dust?
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Homer question

[Tim Bantham]

To add further confusion I ended up sizing down on my Homer that I ordered 
this past January.  My PBH is 93.5 making it so that I am squarely in the 
size 61.5 cm range. My Sam is a 62 and the Platypus is a 60. When I 
compared the geometry of a 61.5 AHH to my 62 Sam I could see that the AHH 
would have been too long of a reach. I knew that I wanted the AHH to have 
drop bars so I would have had to go with a short stem in the 5 cm or less 
range. My AHH has a normal looking 8 cm stem with Noodle bars. Although I 
am showing a little more seat post then I would like I am perfectly happy 
with the 58 Homer based on my use case. 

My general recommendation would be to go with the size based on where you 
PBH falls but I would also consider your handlebar choice. I would also 
recommend calling Riv HQ to talk you through the final decision. 

The Homer is a great bike by the way. It truly is a magical ride. I love 
mine!

Tim

On Wednesday, May 1, 2024 at 2:22:55 AM UTC-4 lindse...@gmail.com wrote:

> Greetings.
> My PBH is about 87 and I ride a 59 Waterford-built Homer.  I was a little 
> skeptical when the folks at Rivendell suggested that size, given that my 
> other bikes are all in the 54-55 cm range, but it worked out very well.  If 
> memory serves, I had to swap out the stem for something a bit shorter than 
> usual - I think it has a 70 or 80 mm stem now - but the bike fits me 
> perfectly.  
> Kevin Lindsey
> Alexandria, VA
> USA
>
>
> On Monday, April 29, 2024 at 7:05:59 AM UTC-4 drew.jo...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> I settled on a 58 Homer with the same PBH (FWIW) after speaking with 
>> Grant.  For me, the bike was a perfect fit…
>>
>> Best of luck.
>>
>> - Drew
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 29, 2024, at 12:29 AM, xerox-dream  wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>>
>> I had a pretty basic question, but wanted everyone’s opinion and 
>> expertise. I am thinking of getting a 58CM 2019  a homer Hilson my PBH is 
>> 86 to 86 1/2. currently I’m riding a 55 CM platypus and that’s been great. 
>> just reaching out if anyone has a similar set up with a similar PBH?
>>
>>
>> https://bikeinsights.com/bike-geometries/5cedbc58663b2d0017aa071d-2019-rivendell-bicycle-works-a-homer-hilsen-mit-58
>>
>> i guess this model was 650b compared to newer 700c model for this frame 
>> size
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[RBW] Re: Drops vs albatross. Easy to swap or do I need two bikes?

[Tim Bantham]

You could build the Sam with Albatross bars and it would serve your needs 
perfectly as a graveler and bike path cruiser. You could also do that 100 
mile ride with Albatross bars if you wanted. That said I do understand the 
desire for drops. I have those on my Sam. I've also had Billie bars and 
Albatross as well. All were great but different.  Swapping bars is not that 
difficult but there is an expense. You'll need a different stem, levers, 
grips. While doable to swap it wouldn't be practical to swap back in forth.

If you wanted to add a second bike either a Appaloosa or an Atlantis with 
upright bars would be a great choice. These bikes are different enough from 
the Sam to justify the additional bike in your stable. 


On Wednesday, May 1, 2024 at 2:23:08 AM UTC-4 Michael wrote:

> Looking for a single bike for casual rides on bike paths/paved/gravel/dirt 
> roads with the occasional 100 mile ride thrown in. Will suggest the Sam 
> Hillborne, which I'm leaning towards. I assumed I would build it with drops 
> for the long rides but I recently fell in love with albatross bars for 
> upright lazy bike path rides. 
> Is there a way to quickly/easily swap handlebars or are two bikes 
> inevitable? 
> Would a Sam with drops and an appaloosa or atlantis w/ albatross be a good 
> combo or is that too much overlap? 
>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto R10, R14 or RBW 51

[Tim Bantham]

I am all set on my rack needs. Thank you everyone. 

On Friday, May 3, 2024 at 3:29:58 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> I would be interested in an RBW51 for my Roadini if this sale does not 
> happen.
> Doug
>
> On Tuesday, April 30, 2024 at 6:21:11 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> OK I tried emailing you 
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 30, 2024 at 1:47:02 PM UTC-7 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>
>>> R10 found! @Bill I didn't receive your PM. Checked junk folder but 
>>> nothing. Please try again when you are able. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 30, 2024 at 1:02:32 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>>> I messaged you regarding an RBW51 in my holdings.  
>>>>
>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, April 30, 2024 at 6:19:22 AM UTC-7 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In the market for a a rear rack for two separate bikes. 
>>>>>
>>>>> A Nitto R-10 and R14 would work great! Anyone have one collecting dust?
>>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Re: Lugged Roadini and Charlie H Gallup

[Tim Bantham]

I saw the mention of the lugged Roadini. I am 99% certain I will order one 
once they become available. 

On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 3:17:24 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> "Your friend would be *more* thrilled if this bike was coming in July or 
> something. Like, during riding season!"
>
> I concede that this would be better!
>
> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 10:12:37 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
>> Your friend would be *more* thrilled if this bike was coming in July or 
>> something. Like, during riding season!
>>
>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 12:22:45 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Doug, 
>>>
>>> My understanding (which may be wrong, my memory for stuff I read a while 
>>> ago seems to have left me as I recently approached my 62nd birthday) is the 
>>> CHG will also be lugged and probably not cheap. It will be longer-stayed 
>>> than the Roadini. It's coming September! I know at least one friend of ours 
>>> who will be thrilled with this news. 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 9:04:26 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
 Grant's most recent Blahg mentioned the frame schedule and the upcoming 
 *Lugged 
 *Roadini. It seems the Charlie H Gallup may replace the Roadini as the 
 partially lugged more affordable road bike. I appreciate the cream colored 
 head tubes and full lugs but I also really like my solid Mermaid Roadini 
 so 
 I don't feel like I'm missing out. 

 Will the Charlie H Gallup be longer than the Roadini? If so, I do think 
 it might work better for me but we shall see. For those waiting for the 
 CHG, Grant lists them as coming in September.

 Doug

>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rod Steward Pec Deck V2 from Ron $60 shipped

[Tim Bantham]

Rod Steward is sold! Thanks all. 

On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 7:36:42 PM UTC-4 Adam Moss wrote:

> Very interested if still available. I tried sending a direct message but 
> wasn’t sure if it went through. 
>
> Thanks!
> Adam in Berkeley, CA
>
> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 12:40:39 PM UTC-7 Tim Bantham wrote:
>
>> I have a new Rod Steward bag support for the Small and Large Fabio's 
>> chest bag. For the most part it is new. I mocked it up for size and decided 
>> not to use it. It has slight shop wear from mounting the cross bar to the 
>> uprights but otherwise new. The u-shape supports are uncut. 
>>
>> Here is a link to the item at Ron's Bikes
>>
>> https://ronsbikes.com/products/rod-steward-pec-dec-v2
>>
>> How about $60 shipped to the lower 48. 
>>
>> [image: DSCF2467.JPG]
>>
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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne sizing advice

[Tim Bantham]

My recommendation is to go with the 60 Sam.  You said you want to ride with 
swept back bars and use it for mostly commuting and general riding. Based 
on your described use case I'd say go with the 60 all day long. If someday 
you want to ride the Sam with drops you could still do so with a short 
stem. 

My PBH is 93.5. I ride a 62 Sam and a 58 MIT Homer. The only reason I sized 
down was because my focus for the Homer was going to be a drop bar road 
bike for sporty riding. The 61.5 Homer would have been too much reach for 
my situation. 



On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 2:06:45 AM UTC-4 David B wrote:

> Hey all, first time posting here. I'm planning on grabbing a Sam Hillborne 
> frameset when they go on sale this month. It'll be my first Rivendell. I 
> decided on the Hillborne as a replacement for my 56cm Cross Check, which 
> has never been comfortable for me. The short headtube puts the bars too far 
> below my saddle.
>
> I have a pair of Billie bars I'd like to put on the Hillborne for daily 
> commuting, grocery getting, and some light off road riding. I'd also like 
> to have the option to use drop bars at some point down the line.
>
> I went to the Rivendell shop a few weeks ago to test ride a few bikes and 
> get sized. I'm 6' with a 92 PBH (long legs, short torso), and based on the 
> Sam geo chart, my PBH puts me firmly in the size 60 Sam range. They didn't 
> have a 60 Hillborne around, so I instead rode a 57 Sam and a couple of 61.5 
> Homers with different cockpit setups. 
>
>- The 57 Sam was set up with wide, swept back bars (Ron's Ortho bars) 
>and was comfortable. We did have to raise the seatpost up pretty high to 
>get the saddle in a good position.
>- The first 61.5 Homer was set up with Billie bars and was also 
>comfortable. The saddle was pretty close to the top tube, however - there 
>was maybe a little less than a fistful of seatpost showing.
>- The second 61.5 Homer with drops made me feel a little stretched 
>out. The saddle was raised up higher than ideal for my height, but the 
> bike 
>belonged to a staff member who wasn't around that day, and so we didn't 
>adjust the saddle position. Part of me thinks it might have worked with a 
>lower saddle, shorter stem, and higher bars, but I'm not totally sure.
>
> I left feeling like a 60 Sam would work for me, but I'm now second 
> guessing whether it makes more sense to go down to the 57 for a shorter top 
> tube length. However, the size 57 Sam has a suggested PBH range of 86-89, 
> which is 3cm lower than my PBH of 92. 
>
> Could anyone share if you've had a similar experience being in-between 
> sizes for a Sam Hillborne, and how the size you chose worked out? Or better 
> yet, is there anyone near Berkeley who has a 57cm or 60cm Hillborne you'd 
> let me test ride to nail down my size? I'd be happy to buy you a beer or 
> some other beverage as a thank you!
>
> David
> Berkeley, CA
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: A. Homer Hilsen Photo Thread

[Tim Bantham]

I was on a ride with Paul at the Nutmeg Nor'Easter. I asked him how he 
liked his AHH. He emphatically replied, "this is the best bike in the 
world"!! Three years later I have an AHH of my own. Paul was right. 

On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 10:04:11 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Paul has neglected to share the beautiful patina that his bronze headbadge 
> has acquired. Trust me, it's really good! 
>
> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 2:00:12 PM UTC-4 Paul Richardson wrote:
>
>> here's mine--a 67cm waterford i've had since 2011, and had repainted in 
>> wisconsin last year (just in time!).  it's the best bike in the world.  
>>
>> paul
>> takoma park, md.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Upright / Relaxed / Swept-Back - Style of Riding

[Tim Bantham]

There is a lot to unpack here but I think I get the basic gist of what you 
are asking. For reference I ride a drop bar AHH, a drop bar Sam and a 
Billie bar'd Platy. I'm an older rider and I too suffer some aches and 
pains while riding. Nothing debilitating but it is noticeable. Sometimes 
more than others. Like you I experience some aches in my C spine between 
the shoulder blades. This is from holding my head in a position to see the 
road in front of me. I am also seated at a computer most of the day while 
working which can be harmful to your posture if you aren't vigilant. 

 I am not so certain your pain is related to not maintaining a good posture 
on the bike while riding. I'm not a medical professional and I don't think 
you would come here for medical advice. At least I hope not LOL! 

I would want to know what you are doing off the bike. You didn't say what 
you did for work but if are spending your days sitting at a desk and then 
you hop on your bike to go ride. Your body is in a hunched position all day 
long and then you are in the same position while you pedal. If that were 
the case I could see how some aches and pains could crop up. 

Riding an upright style bike on days where you aren't feeling it may help 
but I'd be more inclined to shorten your ride or not ride at all. Also pay 
attention to your posture off the bike. Having awareness of your posture 
during your day to day life will be more beneficial then only making those 
adjustments while riding. 
On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 12:56:14 AM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> @Jay,
>
> I have been a roadie for 53 years. I retired my road bike sixteen years 
> ago. I was growing old. I became tired of riding in the drops. I wanted to 
> ride upright. My posture in my neck and shoulders were hunched over. 
>
> Over the many years, it became a struggle with me trying to find a bicycle 
> that I could fall in love with again. I went through about four different 
> bicycles. 
>
> In the fall of 2022, I purchased my first Rivendell Clem Smith Jr. "L" 
> bicycle. It was a 59cm. Over the course of a little over a year, I 
> concluded that the 59cm size was not working for me. It was too large. I 
> sold it. I found and bought a 52cm Clem as a "Demo" at RBW headquarters 
> last November.  
>
> Since then, I have adapted very well in riding the 52cm Clem. It fits me a 
> lot better than the 59cm. I am very happy with it. I have the Nitto Bosco 
> 58cm handlebars. These bars I really love for an upright riding position. I 
> have zero weight bearing down on them. All my weight is on the seat and 
> back tire. When I come home from my rides, I feel my posture is a lot 
> straighter, than before. 
>
> I ride mostly pavement on the nearby trails near where I live. 
> Occasionally, I will go off road, when the feeling for adventure strikes me.
>
> The only problem I have is a personal issue in discomfort with the loss of 
> subcutaneous fat on my bum riding my saddle at 69 years old. I am nearing a 
> resolution with optimism. 
>
> Kim Hetzel. 
>
> As one grows older, the handlebars get higher and the gears get lower.
>
> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 8:15:45 PM UTC-7 Richard Rose wrote:
>
>> What Doug said, almost exactly x2.
>> Long time Roadie here but transitioned to MTB about 15 years ago - now 
>> 69. Never had serious issues with properly fit road bike. But after a lot 
>> of MTB riding it never felt right again. However, I started having pretty 
>> serious hand/wrist issues with straight MTB bars. Bought my Clem to have 
>> something comfortable to ride when not mountain biking. Instantly 
>> comfortable for all rides/surfaces and for up to six+ hours. So I got a Gus 
>> to have a swept back MTB. Both are superbly comfortable. Now I am back 
>> riding road/gravel when I do not want to drive to the trail. But when I do 
>> drive to the trail it’s more fun than ever.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 8, 2024, at 9:45 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>
>> When I bought my Clem Smith Jr it was a revelation in riding. I had 
>> ridden mostly drop bars for many years and like you I would have shoulder 
>> and neck pain after long rides. The Clem with Tosco bars and an upright 
>> riding position solved my aches and pains immediately. I also discovered I 
>> could ride for 3 hours without pain and my mileage wasn't much less than 
>> with a "road bike". I recently bought a Roadini with drop bars. The bars 
>> were up nice and high so I don't think I would have experienced neck or 
>> shoulder pain. But, I decided to swap the drop bars for Albatross bars. 
>> Swept back bars are my preferred and only bars now.  This is what works for 
>> me but I don't recommend it to people necessarily. I just share my 
>> experience and preferences if asked. Another thing about an upright posture 
>> is being able to take in the scenery better as I ride. Like I said, it was 
>> a revelation for me and has transformed my riding experience.
>>
>> Doug
>>
>> On Wednesday, May

[RBW] Re: A. Homer Hilsen Photo Thread

[Tim Bantham]

I'm loving all of these Homer photos. I've owned 5 Riv's and currently have 
3 in the rotation. The Homer is a favorite for me. I'm already planning a 
change to mine. I'm going to change the shifters from down tube to Campy 
brifters shifting to Shimano 8 speed a-la Ronnie Romance. I'll provide 
updates as I make the change over. 

On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 10:55:29 PM UTC-4 Bikie#4646 wrote:

> Dear JT,
> I'll submit my own 57 cm Homer, which was restored and modified by 
> (former?) a list member. I purchased it in 2015 from him shortly after he 
> completed his restoration because he was looking for an Atlantis by then. I 
> fell in love with it then and still think it is my favorite bike.
> Paul Germain
> Midlothian, Va.
>
> On Saturday, May 4, 2024 at 10:36:15 PM UTC-4 jtlu...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I always enjoy seeing pictures of everyone's various Rivendell's, so I 
>> figured why not start a photo thread of Homers (since that is my only Riv). 
>> I've included a photo from my first ride on my Homer back in 2022 (with 
>> Albatross bars) and a photo in its most recent configuration with drop 
>> bars. 
>>
>> [image: Homer 1.jpg][image: Homer 2.jpg]
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bedrock Mountain Clogs Size 12

[Tim Bantham]

Sale pending. 

On Monday, May 13, 2024 at 10:27:03 AM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:

> [image: IMG_2445.JPG]Up for sale is my pair of Mountain Clogs from the 
> good folks at Bedrock Sandals. 
>
> Size - 12 
> Material - Leather Suede
> Sole - Vibram Mega Grip
> Footbed - Cushioned Polyurethane
>
> Condition - Excellent. Worn just a handful of times. 
>
> Note on sizing. These run small. I wear a size 11 mens. Bedrock recommends 
> sizing up which is what I did. This advice was solid. I am happy with the 
> fit. Clogs are just not my vibe. 
>
> Link to all photos: https://photos.app.goo.gl/WkJCQaA26Ucnmnn87
>
> $100 with free shipping to the lower 48 States. 
>
> Tim
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bedrock Mountain Clogs Size 12

[Tim Bantham]

Sold. Thank you!

On Monday, May 13, 2024 at 11:15:56 AM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:

> Sale pending. 
>
> On Monday, May 13, 2024 at 10:27:03 AM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_2445.JPG]Up for sale is my pair of Mountain Clogs from the 
>> good folks at Bedrock Sandals. 
>>
>> Size - 12 
>> Material - Leather Suede
>> Sole - Vibram Mega Grip
>> Footbed - Cushioned Polyurethane
>>
>> Condition - Excellent. Worn just a handful of times. 
>>
>> Note on sizing. These run small. I wear a size 11 mens. Bedrock 
>> recommends sizing up which is what I did. This advice was solid. I am happy 
>> with the fit. Clogs are just not my vibe. 
>>
>> Link to all photos: https://photos.app.goo.gl/WkJCQaA26Ucnmnn87
>>
>> $100 with free shipping to the lower 48 States. 
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: My Rivendell Platypus - A Forever Bike Build

[Tim Bantham]

This is just a lovely build. I too have a Platypus and love it! I took it 
on a club gravel ride and had quite a few curious looks but had not 
difficulty keeping up with the group. I just added an R-14 rear rack on 
mine and plan to updgrade to Paul Motolites as I get around to it. This is 
a great bike. 

On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 9:38:44 AM UTC-4 Steve wrote:

> Armand, welcome to the Cult of the Platypus.   You've built a stellar 
> example! 
>
> I'm running the same hubs and rims on my mermaid Platypus, though with 
> 42mm RH slicks under 58mm fenders  I went  I'm of the opinion that 
> there is some kind of magic happening with the design of the Platypus - it 
> never fails to impress me. 
>
> About those cantilevers - I went with Deore V-brakes mostly to pinch a few 
> pennies. Yes, they definitely set up easily and perform well - but to my 
> eyes they lack the elegance of a well executed cantilever. I say don't give 
> up on them. 
>
> Steve 
>
> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 7:51:38 PM UTC-4 Armand Kizirian wrote:
>
>> Greetings fellow Rivendell Lovers!
>>
>> I’m happy to introduce to you my very first Rivendell, an Ana Purple 
>> Platypus built up as my forever bike (#3). As someone who worked in bike 
>> shops growing up with a current background as a designer and engineer, I 
>> went all out with designing the optimal riding experience, crafting a 
>> versatile bicycle intended to be ridden every day, and most importantly, to 
>> be loved for life.
>>
>> [image: IMG_3263.JPG]
>>
>> I’ve never done a full “balleur” build before, and had a few intentions 
>> in mind with this. Make it as lightweight as possible with zero 
>> compromises. Embrace the Rivendell ethos of simplicity in the mechanical 
>> components. See how versatile an upright bicycle can be not just for 
>> commuting, but both supreme pleasure rides and also longer, more demanding 
>> routes. Make it timeless, gorgeous, and utterly practical. 
>>
>> So far I have been pleasantly surprised. I’ve ridden it every day as my 
>> primary vehicle since completion. Most look at the swoopy “cruiser” (as 
>> many call it) handlebars and assume it is a pretty pleasure bike for brief, 
>> simple rides. I explain to them the vibe is moreso *performance 
>> Cadillac,* where rides from 20-30+ miles are done with ease and comfort. 
>> The combination of the upright position, long chainstays, slightly slacker 
>> headtube, luxurious touch points, and made in USA/japan mechanical 
>> components result in a riding experience that can be playful, relaxed, 
>> spirited, or *fast* all with a shift of a mindset and handlebar 
>> position. I LOVE the contrast of performance with comfort, particularly as 
>> a stronger rider. It is a delightful combination that is rare and 
>> overlooked, as most upright bicycles feature low-end components or 
>> compromised geometry.
>>
>>

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[RBW] WTB single Nitto rack strut

[Tim Bantham]

Looking for a single Nitto rack strut a minimum of 28 centimeters. Does 
anyone have one in the depths of your parts bin that you would be willing 
to mail to me. All I need is one for my newly acquired R10. 

Thanks! 

Tim

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[RBW] Re: wtb: 26.8 seatpost, 120-130mm quill stem

[Tim Bantham]

A new frame and fork from Riv usually includes a Kaloi seatpost. You might 
want to verify before buying unless your just looking for something 
fancier. 

On Thursday, May 16, 2024 at 11:20:18 AM UTC-4 Brent Knepper wrote:

> looks like I've a periwinkle build coming up in the near future, which I 
> should be able to get rollin with my small but intentional parts bin :) in 
> need of a seatpost and stem though!
>
> 26.8 seatpost needs:
> -longer than 250mm
> -15-20mm traditional setback is great, not looking for straight or waybakk
> -weird/funky/vintage/esoteric always encouraged, I can get a $5 used 
> kalloy locally :)
>
> 120-30mm stem needs:
> -120-130 length only, already have some shorter stems if I don't really 
> need a long-o 
> -usual 22.2 quill
> -90º or 7-shape, not lookin for a riser stem
> -150-250mm quill length is fine, don't need to get the bars high or slammed
> -25.4 clamp or faceplate is good, or 26.0 but only with a faceplate is 
> also good (prolly using rons ortho bars for anyone curious)
> -W.F.V.E. also welcomed here
>
> thanks for your consideration!
>
> -Brent in chicago
>

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[RBW] WTB: Albastache Bars

[Tim Bantham]

Is anyone holding Albastache bars that you would consider selling. I'm 
thinking about trying them again on my Sam. 

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[RBW] Cockpit swap on my Sam

[Tim Bantham]

Once again I am considering a cockpit change for my Sam Hillborne. This 
time I am going to upright Billie bars. For simplicity and cost savings I'm 
keeping the current bar end shifters. I'm currently pondering grips. I love 
the way cork grips look but find them to be too slippery. I've been happy 
with Oury grips. I like the way they feel but I don't think they look as 
good when you cut off the end to accommodate  bar ends shifters. I've seen 
the felt and twine DIY grips that Riv promotes but I don't think I have the 
artistic ability and patience to recreate it. 

What am I missing? What grips are out there that look good, feel good and 
work with bar ends?  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cockpit swap on my Sam

[Tim Bantham]

Within that link that Maxcr shared there was a link to Grant's Blahg post 
on the topic of making grips. That really doesn't look to difficult and I 
likely have enough scraps laying around to try it out. Thanks all!



On Wednesday, May 29, 2024 at 2:37:48 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> That thread shows and describes how they run their bar con shift cable 
> housing external to the grips.  I was looking for how you were running your 
> shift cable housing internal to the grips.  The OP didn't specifically ask 
> for "internal", I suppose.  They just asked for "works with".  :)
>
> That might actually be a cool product: a contemporary lock-on grip that 
> incorporates a passageway for bar con shift cable/housing.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, May 29, 2024 at 11:26:33 AM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:
>
>> I didn't but there's precedent: 
>> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/g9A7pxZGN5w/m/ChChYuXkAgAJ
>> Max
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 29, 2024 at 2:17:49 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> I'd love to see photos of how you manage to get Ergon or ESI grips over 
>>> barcon shift cable housing.   
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 29, 2024 at 11:15:39 AM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:
>>>
 I love my Ergon Bio Cork Grips on my Hunqa
 Max

 On Wednesday, May 29, 2024 at 10:01:43 AM UTC-4 Patch T wrote:

> Or like Brian said, Newbaum's over ESI's - YUM!
>
> On Wednesday, May 29, 2024 at 6:59:24 AM UTC-7 Patch T wrote:
>
>> Just wrote a whole message privately by accident. Here's a summary:
>>
>> In my experience ESI grips get very slippery if you sweat. Otherwise 
>> cheap and comfy!
>>
>> Rubber grips can get sticky over time.
>>
>> I like using rolls of cork sheet from the office or craft store, 
>> cutting and fitting that, then covering with Newbaum's. Or using padded 
>> Newbaum's similarly as a base layer. Both methods give you grippy 
>> cushion, 
>> good style, plus easy bar-end installation.
>>
>> Patch in Oakland.
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Bedrock Mountain Clogs Leather Size 13

[Tim Bantham]

I hope you enjoy those new to you clogs Michael!

On Wednesday, May 29, 2024 at 7:05:57 PM UTC-4 Michael Ullmer wrote:

> And sold
>
> On Wednesday, May 29, 2024 at 2:37:54 PM UTC-5 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>
>> I picked up a size 12 off the list this month from Tim to replace my too 
>> large for me size 13s.
>>
>> I bought these brand new from Bedrock during their last run last Fall. In 
>> good shape, some crank wear on the side (I mainly rode in these). There's a 
>> faint mark on the top of one, I tried to capture in the pics. Soles are in 
>> great shape.
>>
>> $100 shipped in USA
>>
>> Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/LFhFnM3bFmh1jMvKA
>>
>> Mike in Minneapolis
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Bedrock Mountain Clogs Leather Size 13

[Tim Bantham]

Yes I do have the Bedrock Cairn sandal. I followed the sizing instructions 
on Bedrocks site. I think I was more true to size. I agree that I could use 
a half size bigger. 

On Thursday, May 30, 2024 at 10:55:52 AM UTC-4 Robert Tilley wrote:

> I recently picked up clogs and the Cairn EVO sandals. The clogs that fit 
> me were one size up from the sandals. A friend of mine just picked up both 
> as well and he was the same. Clogs a size up from the sandals.
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 30, 2024, at 7:34 AM, Brian Forsee  wrote:
>
> Tim/Michael,
>
>
> Do you guys also have bedrock sandals? Did you size up on the clog 
> compared to the sandal? I wear the 12M sandal, but have a little bit of 
> room on the footbed. If they made half sizes a 11.5 would probably be spot 
> on for me. I don't think my sandals are the new EVO, they are from 2017 
> (re-sole club!). 
>
> I was really excited about the clogs but was bummed when i found out they 
> were not US manufactured and never ended up buying a pair.
>
> Brian
>
> On Thursday, May 30, 2024 at 7:07:55 AM UTC-5 Tim Bantham wrote:
>
>> I hope you enjoy those new to you clogs Michael!
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 29, 2024 at 7:05:57 PM UTC-4 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>>
>>> And sold
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 29, 2024 at 2:37:54 PM UTC-5 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>>>
>>>> I picked up a size 12 off the list this month from Tim to replace my 
>>>> too large for me size 13s.
>>>>
>>>> I bought these brand new from Bedrock during their last run last Fall. In 
>>>> good shape, some crank wear on the side (I mainly rode in these). There's 
>>>> a 
>>>> faint mark on the top of one, I tried to capture in the pics. Soles are in 
>>>> great shape.
>>>>
>>>> $100 shipped in USA
>>>>
>>>> Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/LFhFnM3bFmh1jMvKA
>>>>
>>>> Mike in Minneapolis
>>>>
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[RBW] More Sams less Scams

[Tim Bantham]

Hello all, I was victimized by the aforementioned scammer you may have 
heard about in a previous post by our moderator Cyclofiend Jim. In good 
faith I paid for Albastache bars that didn't exist. Rather then waste any 
more negative energy on ranting about how horrible this person is I am 
going to instead flip the switch and talk about why I love my Rivendell 
bicycle. Will you keep the positive energy going by responding in kind?

Yesterday I was riding in Analog Cycles annual 4x4 event. I was happily 
under biking with my Sam Hillborne on the notoriously rocky and muddy 
unmaintained roads of Vermont known as class IV. 

Although the ride was well attended at one point I found myself alone, just 
me and 2TT beloved Sam Hillborne. As I was crossing the ridge I looked out 
at the impossible beauty of the Green Mountain state I thought about all of 
the ways my life has been enriched by this Rivendell bicycle. A simple 
machine but I have a connection to this bike that only readers of this 
forum will understand. I realized how lucky I am to have my health and the 
financial means to own not one but three Rivs. I am thankful for this small 
community we call RBW Owners Bunch. 

Let's keep this positive energy going! Tell me why you love your Rivendell. 

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[RBW] FS: Swift Sugarloaf Bag, Nitto S83, Manything Cage

[Tim Bantham]

Hello All, I have a few parts bin item I'd like to offer here on RBW Owners 
Bunch. 

All items are priced to include shipping anywhere to the lower 48 States. 

Item #1 Swift Sugarloaf Basket bag. Fits perfectly in a Wald 137. Color is 
blue/gray. Good condition, no rips, zippers work, no excessive wear. *$80 
shipped*

Item #2 Nitto S83 seatpost. AKA the best seat post ever. Size is 27.2 x 300 
mm. Matte black. great condition. *$75 shipped.*

Item #3 Titanium King "Manything" Cage. Great for bike camping! Great 
condition. Color is Matte Black. 
*$50 shipped. *

*Photos here: *https://photos.app.goo.gl/1Fywa2gg3U2dXm6A7

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[RBW] Re: FS: Swift Sugarloaf Bag, Nitto S83, Manything Cage

[Tim Bantham]

Hello All, I know that a few of you had messaged me on the Seatpost and 
Sugarloaf. None of the PMs showed up in my inbox but I was able to find 
them in my junk mail. Velomann and Todd G were the first to respond. All 
items including the King cage are now sold. Thanks and sorry about not 
responding sooner. 

Tim 

On Tuesday, May 9, 2023 at 1:07:47 PM UTC-4 James wrote:

> I'll take the seat post!  I sent you a PM
>
> On Tuesday, May 9, 2023 at 9:21:43 AM UTC-4 velomann wrote:
>
>> PM sent for Sugarloaf.
>>
>> Mike M
>>
>> On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 4:31:19 PM UTC-7 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>
>>> Hello All, I have a few parts bin item I'd like to offer here on RBW 
>>> Owners Bunch. 
>>>
>>> All items are priced to include shipping anywhere to the lower 48 
>>> States. 
>>>
>>> Item #1 Swift Sugarloaf Basket bag. Fits perfectly in a Wald 137. Color 
>>> is blue/gray. Good condition, no rips, zippers work, no excessive wear. 
>>> *$80 
>>> shipped*
>>>
>>> Item #2 Nitto S83 seatpost. AKA the best seat post ever. Size is 27.2 x 
>>> 300 mm. Matte black. great condition. *$75 shipped.*
>>>
>>> Item #3 Titanium King "Manything" Cage. Great for bike camping! Great 
>>> condition. Color is Matte Black. 
>>> *$50 shipped. *
>>>
>>> *Photos here: *https://photos.app.goo.gl/1Fywa2gg3U2dXm6A7
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Replacing Albastache with Losco

[Tim Bantham]

Jason, If you think you might want to test out several different stem 
lengths with a threaded to threadless adapters let me know. I have a Nitto 
version of this adapter in my parts bin that I could mail down for you to 
try. I could pick it back up the next time I see you. Hit me up if that is 
a route you end up taking. Unforunately all of my threadless stems are 31.8 
so I couldn't be much help in that department. 

On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 12:47:45 PM UTC-4 JohnS wrote:

> Hello JS,
>
> In this case, switching to the losco bar which have no forward sweep and 
> have a lot of back sweep, it maybe a good idea to follow Will's advice to 
> use an adapter stem, 1 to 1 1/8 and then try different thread less stems 
> until you dial in the extension to your liking. Details were in this news 
> letter:
>
> https://us7.campaign-archive.com/?u=ad1569fa93a2ab2374ead2fde&id=bec688021e
>
> FWIW, Velo Orange is having a sale on silver thread less stems which I've 
> used in the past and think look very nice. The stems with 6 degree rise can 
> be mounted upside down to be 0 rise.
>
> https://velo-orange.com/products/threadless-stem-25-4
>
> Good luck,
> JohnS
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 11:44:52 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I'd try the Face Plater first, you'll know pretty quick how much further 
>> forward you'll need those very-different-from-stache bars. Fortunately the 
>> Face Plater is open clamp so you can test mount without scratching things 
>> up. 
>>
>> Joe Bernard 
>>
>> On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 5:47:16 AM UTC-7 J Schwartz wrote:
>>
>>> Seeking guidance here on stem length.
>>> I have a first gen. 56cm Hillborne with a very long top tube.
>>> Currently built up with Albastache bars on a very short stem ...this Crust 
>>> stem 
>>>  
>>> with only 25mm on extension.   It's a great pairing for the Albastache.
>>> I think I want to try Loscos on this bike.  I like using bar-ends and 
>>> that's one of the bars that seems to accommodate them well.  
>>> Can anyone suggest an appropriate stem length for the Loscos?  I think I 
>>> would probably go Technomic vs a hi-rise faceplateralthough I do have 
>>> an 85mm one of those already on-hand.
>>> pics show the location of bars and how far they come back
>>>
>>> thank you
>>> JS
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 55 cm Platypus on Amtrak

[Tim Bantham]

Thanks for the report Leah! I am taking my bike on Amtrak from Albany to 
Buffalo later this summer. This will be my first time taking a bike on the 
train. A friend and I will ride back on the Erie Canal trail. I had planned 
to ride my Sam Hillborne but you have me thinking why not take the Platy? 
Gives me something to thing about. 

Tim

On Monday, June 17, 2024 at 5:51:12 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:

> Leah, your ride report and experiences are charging me up now for my ride 
> today. My last few days have been out the door riding to work at 6am, home 
> between 8:30-9pm. I am guilty of NOT having everything prepped, loaded and 
> laid out this morning but I have a list I scrawled in  moments I snatched 
> my attention away from the work at hand.
>
> I caught a vacant night at an Air b&B I really like in Ohiopyle, PA that 
> coincides with a night that the restaurant nearby is open so I booked it. 
> I'll ride to the GAP from home and 80 miles along the Youghiogheny River to 
> the town in the state park for a relaxing evening. I've arrived in the town 
> on "off nights" to this wonderful hiking, biking, fishing, climbing, 
> whitewater rafting, canoeing and kayaking adventure town. 
>
> The biggest difference between my ride and Leah's will be the dearth of 
> people on the way. It's Monday (riding back Tuesday) and the western heat 
> dome is settling on us with mid to upper 90°s expected by noon. Except for 
> oddly scheduled through-riders I don't think I'll see many others out on 
> the trail. I have to pack with appreciationt of weather, safe water sources 
> and several 20 mile stretches that are simply out in the woods, off road, 
> along a nice river, where I will be solely responsible for food and drink, 
> sustained function of my bicycle and all contingencies. 
>
> Coffee's gone, I have to pack and Ike the wonder dog wants to look around 
> the neighborhood before I set out. Trying to get going super early to avoid 
> the heat won't be much of an aid, it's going to get hot but that also 
> stymies my classic lunch plan by rolling through that town too early. 
> Cheers to plenty of safe water and Nuun tabs!
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Monday, June 17, 2024 at 12:31:38 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Ok, here’s the video. I’ll switch my IG to public for a few days because 
>> that link is the only way I can get a long video to post here. 
>>
>> [image: 448492579_1159776728393867_8612724418179187346_n.jpg]
>>  
>> Leah Peterson on Instagram: "I did my first real bike tour this weekend. 
>> I have dreamed of and longed to do exactly this. There are so many faers I 
>> had to quell along the way. Never having taken Amtrak. Knowing my bike was 
>> technically too long for their dimensions, unsure if they would send me 
>> away. Showing up to a ride that spanned 3 states and not having anyone to 
>> ride with. Leaving my post, as I call it, trusting that my family would be 
>> fine. Leif, a kind man from the Rive List offered to let me join his group 
>> of 6 welcoming and experienced cyclists. The leader, Jerry, completed his 
>> 10th Le Tour de Shore this year. He had several fun side quests planned. As 
>> in, “You can have PB&J at the SAG stop, OR you can come to the brewery with 
>> us.” Yeah, I’m going to the brewery. Or, “There’s this one little place we 
>> should stop for ice cream…” Or, “This is the scenic route out of Chicago…” 
>> There were 2 married couples in the group. We were nearly all the same age. 
>> They knew one another thr 
>> 
>> Watch and share reels with friends 
>> 
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Jun 16, 2024, at 3:00 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>>
>> Glad you had a great experience with this ride and that the Amtrak 
>> logistics worked out.
>>
>> RE: "...Most people seemed into their own groups and I’m not sure I could 
>> have just gotten in one on the fly...", yes, on these organized rides you 
>> will find this will largely be the case.  Most of these people probably 
>> come from some local club in the area so they stick together accordingly.  
>> Over the 50+ years of serious riding I've done I finally got to the point 
>> where I just ignored them and rode at my own pace.  Last organized ride I 
>> did, though, was probably '07 and I'm not sure I could to another one 
>> unless it was a single day event and limited to 100K.  But I've long since 
>> lost my enthusiasm for them and it's unlikely I'll ever ride another.
>> Oh, and now that you've gotten the "bug" don't forget about that website 
>> containing a list of all the rides around Michigan during the Summer months!
>>
>> On Sunday, June 16, 2024 at 11:44:44 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Mike, here’s the route: 
>>>

[RBW] Re: Platypus = Appaloosa/Atlantis?

[Tim Bantham]

I own a Sam, a Homer and a Platy. I've owned an Appaloosa in the past and 
have used it for loaded touring. This question is in my wheelhouse. I think 
all of these are different bikes. The Appaloosa is stout and rides great. I 
loaded mine up for a week long tour. I had front and rear panniers and a 
gigantic load. I knew I had way too much weight on the bike when I hit the 
first hill. It was my early days of touring when I thought I had to take 
all but the kitchen sink with me. That said the Appaloosa handled the heavy 
load just fine. I wouldn't have been comfortable doing that on any of the 
other bikes mentioned.  Since that time I've learned to take a lot less 
gear with me. I try to get everything in a large rear bag combined with a 
basket bag out front. Either the Sam or Platypus would be capable of this 
type of load. Technically the AHH as well but mine is stripped down and 
rackless as I use it as a road bike. 

I'm going to take the Platypus for a week long tour this summer. I am 
choosing that bike over the Sam mostly because of the frame design and 
geometry. The combination of the slack head tube, long chain stays and 
convenient step thru frame makes the Platy perfect for a light tour. If I 
was going to ride it across the world or even the US I would no doubt want 
an Atlantis or Appaloosa. But for the average light load once a year tour a 
Platypus would perform as well as any full blown touring model. 



On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 6:56:15 AM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:

> I currently own a platypus, Homer, and Betty Foy. In the past, I’ve also 
> owned an Appaloosa. . I’ve ridden. the Sam Hillbourne. but just for testing 
> purposes. 
>
> Homer rides most light and nimbly, and Appaloosa rides most “Cadillac “ 
> like., very solid, passing over potholes as if they were not there. Platy 
> rides more nimbly than Appaloosa but not as mich as  Homer. From my 
> recollection, Platy ride feels lighter than Sam did. for ride quality, I’d 
> probably liken it closest to Sam but better.   
>
> Roberta
> Philadelphia
>
> On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 2:10:51 AM UTC-4 esoter...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Thanks to everyone that's chimed in so far. 
>>
>> Hoch, thanks for muddying the waters even more now! And the fact that the 
>> Platypus can fit larger tires than the Homer and Sam could definitely be a 
>> reason for its association with the Atlantis/Appaloosa.
>>
>> Dave, good point about how the build can really determine the temperament 
>> of the bike. And Eben's post was a good read, thanks for the link.
>>
>> Michael, thank you for the link to the Blue Lug video, had not seen that 
>> before. It was really great to see the three of them discuss all the Riv 
>> models and chart them accordingly. Super helpful.
>>
>> If anyone has any first-hand comparisons, would love to hear about them.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> ~Mark
>> Kailua, HI
>>
>> On Monday, June 17, 2024 at 6:09:45 AM UTC-10 Michael Connors wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Blue Lug did a discussion on youtube. Watch the Appaloosa and Platypus 
>>> segments
>>> https://youtu.be/Yx83uMhIgKA?t=3179
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Caliper vs Canti

[Tim Bantham]

John, my Sam is a 2017 model designed around side pulls. I am riding 44mm 
Rene Herse Snoqualmie Pass on Velocity Quill rims. Paul Racer brakes. There 
is plenty of clearance for the tires front and rear but I do have to 
deflate the tires a bit to get them out. It's been a non-issue for me and 
the Sam is great with these tires!

On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 12:21:39 PM UTC-4 John Bokman wrote:

> Brent, what year model do you have? I'm under the impression that earlier 
> Sams (like my 2017, 58cm) do not accept as fat a tire as the newer models 
> (2018 onward)?
>
> My use case is trying to figure how fat a knobby I can install for an 
> upcoming offroad trip. Some say a 43mm wide knob is all that the frame will 
> accept, while the Riv site itself says 45mm tires fit - albeit not 
> necessarily a knobbed tire. 
>
> for the record, I'm on Velocity Dyad rims. And my Sam is designed around 
> side pull brakes, but I had canti posts installed so have more room in that 
> respect.
>
> Thanks for any info you may have.
> John 
> (in Portland OR)
>
> On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 6:37:12 PM UTC-7 Brent Eastman wrote:
>
>> Definitely would need to know your frame/wheel size. My 57cm Sam with 
>> tektro side pulls and 700c Velocity Dyad hoops clears a 47 teravail, 48 
>> Rene herse, and 50 gravel king. Not sure how much bigger you’d need. 
>>
>> On Saturday, April 13, 2024 at 11:36:44 PM UTC-7 bcu...@cullensfoods.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Would also love to know this exact question! Did you ever find out? 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 2:08:59 AM UTC-5 eliot...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 How much more tire and fender clearance does the Canti version have 
 compared to say a Paul Racer side pull ? 
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Caliper vs Canti

[Tim Bantham]

I have a friend with the same era Sam that we are discussing. I can confirm 
that the Hurricane Ridge will definitely fit.  Not sure about the 
Manastash. I am thinking about trying these as well. 

On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 2:45:09 PM UTC-4 brenton...@gmail.com wrote:

> John, I believe mine is also a 2017 and similar to Tim I do not have any 
> clearance issues. I do need to deflate a bit for install/removal due to 
> brake pads. I’m in Portland as well if you ever wanna link up and get 
> tire-nerdy in person. Also happy to share pictures. 
>
> On Jun 18, 2024, at 11:13 AM, Tim Bantham  wrote:
>
> John, my Sam is a 2017 model designed around side pulls. I am riding 44mm 
> Rene Herse Snoqualmie Pass on Velocity Quill rims. Paul Racer brakes. There 
> is plenty of clearance for the tires front and rear but I do have to 
> deflate the tires a bit to get them out. It's been a non-issue for me and 
> the Sam is great with these tires!
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 12:21:39 PM UTC-4 John Bokman wrote:
>
>> Brent, what year model do you have? I'm under the impression that earlier 
>> Sams (like my 2017, 58cm) do not accept as fat a tire as the newer models 
>> (2018 onward)?
>>
>> My use case is trying to figure how fat a knobby I can install for an 
>> upcoming offroad trip. Some say a 43mm wide knob is all that the frame will 
>> accept, while the Riv site itself says 45mm tires fit - albeit not 
>> necessarily a knobbed tire. 
>>
>> for the record, I'm on Velocity Dyad rims. And my Sam is designed around 
>> side pull brakes, but I had canti posts installed so have more room in that 
>> respect.
>>
>> Thanks for any info you may have.
>> John 
>> (in Portland OR)
>>
>> On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 6:37:12 PM UTC-7 Brent Eastman wrote:
>>
>>> Definitely would need to know your frame/wheel size. My 57cm Sam with 
>>> tektro side pulls and 700c Velocity Dyad hoops clears a 47 teravail, 48 
>>> Rene herse, and 50 gravel king. Not sure how much bigger you’d need. 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, April 13, 2024 at 11:36:44 PM UTC-7 bcu...@cullensfoods.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Would also love to know this exact question! Did you ever find out? 
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 2:08:59 AM UTC-5 eliot...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> How much more tire and fender clearance does the Canti version have 
>>>>> compared to say a Paul Racer side pull ? 
>>>>
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[RBW] Re: Platypus S24O

[Tim Bantham]

Fantastic! And great that your son came along. I think the Platypus makes 
good sense as a touring bike. I'm planning to give mine a trial run. 
Yesterday I booked an Amtrak train from Albany to Utica, NY. I'll ride back 
East as an overnight trip. Total distance is a little over 100 miles. I 
want to give the Platypus a try before I do a week long trip on it. Thanks 
for sharing your S24O experiences. 

Tim

On Thursday, June 20, 2024 at 11:04:32 AM UTC-4 Valerie Yates wrote:

> Nicely done! Gorgeous pics. You are lucky to have such a lovely place 
> nearby. Your approach is great for building interest and confidence. Hope 
> you enjoy many more adventures with your son and share the pics here.
>
> On Thursday, June 20, 2024 at 5:16:24 AM UTC-6 ascpgh wrote:
>
>> Most excellent! 
>>
>> S24Os represent so much value and have weathered the time since named and 
>> promoted at Rivendell. They offer a taste, a trial experience and a low 
>> regret situation if some part of your prep or kit isn't right. It becomes 
>> the threshold of a whole new set of opportunities with your bike, 
>> especially for your son. Kudos for doing that for him.
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 19, 2024 at 7:36:33 PM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:
>>
>>> Intrigued by recent examples and talks of light touring on a Platypus 
>>> (Leah, Diana H, Tim B), and spotting an opportunity to get out Tuesday 
>>> evening in advance of the Juneteenth holiday, I packed two of my bikes up 
>>> for a light weight, sub-twelve hour overnight with my son. Our destination 
>>> was a local town owned forest with several primitive camp sites (no 
>>> facilities) less than a 10-mile ride away.
>>>
>>> This outing served a few purposes, 1) to see how the Platypus would fare 
>>> with a light overnight load, 2) to see just how light a load I could get 
>>> away with for two people (each with their own sleep setup), and 3) to see 
>>> how my middle son (the one most interested in bike rides with dad), would 
>>> take to pedaling his own load.
>>>
>>> My Platypus carried my sleeping gear, stove kit (unused), bike tool kit, 
>>> and a few bars for food (an advantage of waiting until after dinner to ride 
>>> out). My son's bike carried his sleeping gear (using a seat pack and 
>>> harness setup). Massachusetts is in the midst of a heat wave with highs 
>>> near 100F and lows in the 70s, so we didn't need to pack extra sleeping 
>>> layers and could use minimal bedding.
>>>
>>> The Platypus did great - due to the minimal packing load my Happisack 
>>> weighed under 9lbs and my Tunitas basket bag under 5lbs. My stem bag 
>>> carried an extra 32oz of water (unused). My son enjoyed the overnight and 
>>> is open to doing a longer ride (~30mi each way) out to a State Forest 
>>> campground (with facilities!). We'll need to carry more food (and possibly 
>>> layers) on that trip; putting a couple of more lbs on the Platy and using a 
>>> frame bag on my son's bike should do the trick.
>>>
>>> [image: PXL_20240619_100254533_k64-1800.jpg]
>>> [image: ig2.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: ig3.jpg]
>>>
>>> -Dave
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Why I went Tubeless

[Tim Bantham]

There's been some discussion on the board lately about the pros and cons of 
tubeless tires. I am a tubeless believer but I wasn't always that way. I 
wanted to share my experiences as a way of adding some perspective to those 
considering giving it a go. Analog cycles is doing an Instagram live on 
tubeless tonight at 5:00 PM ET. You should watch it if you are remotely 
interested. Much of my current tubeless knowledge was gained by talking 
with James and Candice. Before I met the good folks at Analog I had quite a 
bit of experience with tubeless setups. Some good and some not so good. 

The first thing I'll make clear is that you can continue to run tubes in 
your tires and be perfectly happy for the remainder of your biking life. 
Nothing wrong with that. Tubeless is not going to rock your world. However, 
there are many benefits to setting your tires up tubeless. I'd like to 
share those with you based on my own experiences. 

You can run low pressure without fear of getting a pinch flat. If you are a 
Riv fan you already know the benefit of soft tires. Subtle ride quality 
with lots of cush to absorb the bumps. To me this is worth it alone but 
there are other benefits. 

Much easier to fix a flat tire. True confession I rarely get a flat tire 
with tubeless. If you get a small puncture sometimes just riding the tire 
allows sealant to get into the hole and seal the tire. If it doesn't seal 
you have to plug the hole. Let's say you run over a nail. You can fix the 
flat without removing the wheel. Murphy's law is that 75% of your flats 
will be on the rear tire.With a tube you have to take the rear wheel off in 
the field. No big deal right? I know... I've done it tons of times. That 
said, if I can avoid doing so why wouldn't I? With tubeless you can plug 
the hole without removing the wheel from the bike. That to me that is a 
significant benefit. Of course there remains the possibility that you can 
get a gash in the sidewall. That happens but if you are prepared with 
gorilla tape and gorilla glue you can fix that without removing the wheel 
from the bike as well. 

Final tips: 

   - Get the Dynapill made by Dynaplug for your tubeless repairs. 
   - Still carry a tube with you. A tube could always be installed as a 
   last resort but it should be rare. 
   - Invest in a good air compressor. An air compressor is handy! The pumps 
   that are sold claiming to seat tubeless tires don't work as claimed. I know 
   because I own one. 
   - Don't try to seat tubeless with a regular bicycle pump. Doesn't work 
   and not worth the frustration. See above. 
   - Use Orange Seal Endurance Sealant. Best sealant on the market. Blows 
   away anything else I've ever tried. 
   - The tubeless tape that Analog sells is fantastic! Easy to work with, 
   has the right amount of stretch. 
   - Don't try to set up any old rim/tire combo tubeless. Look for rims 
   that are advertised as tubeless. I have Velocity Cliffhangers and Quills on 
   my bikes. Both set up easily.  
   - Buy a tubeless ready tire. 
   - Don't worry about sealant randomly oozing out of your tire. Doesn't 
   happen if you set everything up correctly.
   - Use a regular bicycle pump to maintain air in your tires after 
   successful set up. 
   - Refill with fresh sealant every six months.
   - Buy the Park Tools valve core remover to make adding fresh sealant 
   easier. 

Hit me up with any questions. Do watch the tubeless set up live show 
tonight on Instagram and go to Analogs website for tubeless set up tips. 

Tim





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[RBW] Re: First(ish) impressions of Sam Hillborne

[Tim Bantham]

Nice looking Sam build!  I too have a Sam along with a Clem and an 
Appaloosa. The Sam is great bike for going on my current version of a 
speedy road ride. The guys at MBW are good folks. I've been to the shop a 
few times and have done some rides with my Maine friends over the last 
couple of summers. 

Tim

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 10:16:39 AM UTC-4, John H. wrote:
>
> Following along on the Roadini thread...
>
> I just finished building up my Sam H. and could not be happier. I knew I 
> wanted a Rivendell, but I churned internally for years about which model 
> was going to the 'right' model for me. I was looking for something to ride 
> 70/30 road/trail, mostly unloaded and with big clearances. I had zero'd in 
> on a Sam early on but I couldn't stop thinking that it would be too 'stiff 
> and heavy' for its intended usage. My fears were completely unfounded and 
> -- to me at least -- the Sam feels just as "fast" as the Columbus SL tube'd 
> Basso frame it replaced. The only major departure (as far as ride quality 
> is concerned) is that the Sam is several orders of magnitude more 
> comfortable. 
>
> A *huge* (and long overdue) "thank you" goes out to Jason, Mike and co. at 
> Maine 
> Bike Works  for sourcing the frame and 
> working with my now wife to surprise me with it a few seasons ago. I can't 
> speak more highly of the work they do and urge anyone in the area to check 
> them out.
>
> Here's the high level build specs:
> 55cm Canti Sam Hillborne
> Campagnolo Veloce 10 Speed Ergos
> Crust Towel Rack bars
> Paul Neo Retro / Touring Canti
> 9 speed Shimano XT Shadow mech
> CX-50 front der.
> TA Zephyr crank (46/34)
> Velocity Quill rims / Generic Velocity Hubs
> Compass Snoqualmie Pass tires
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[RBW] Re: Why I went Tubeless

[Tim Bantham]

I've had to use the trouble shooting tips (along with a phone call to 
Candice) Extra layer of tape was all it took to solve my issue! Truly good 
stuff in those links! 

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 10:34:20 AM UTC-4, James / Analog Cycles 
wrote:
>
> Thanks Tim!  Stoked to be doing the clinic.  We also have a huge tubeless 
> tutorial on our site, with trouble shooting stuff, a pros and cons write 
> up, and all of the bits you need to get started, except an air compressor.  
>
> Here's those links:
>
> Set up guide: 
> https://www.analogcycles.com/true-facts-components/analogs-tubeless-set-up-guide/
>
> Component selection:  
> https://www.analogcycles.com/tubeless-component-selection/
>
> Maintenance and repairs:  
> https://www.analogcycles.com/true-facts-components/tubeless-maintainence-repairs/
>
> Not all tubeless stuff is created equally.  We've tried and tested a bunch 
> of rims, tapes, tires, sealants, valve stems, and honed in on what is BS 
> and what works.  There's a reason you don't see certain makers listed in 
> our articles.  It's because someone else does a better job of making X or Y.
>
> -James
>
> On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 8:49:23 AM UTC-4, Tim Bantham wrote:
>>
>> There's been some discussion on the board lately about the pros and cons 
>> of tubeless tires. I am a tubeless believer but I wasn't always that way. I 
>> wanted to share my experiences as a way of adding some perspective to those 
>> considering giving it a go. Analog cycles is doing an Instagram live on 
>> tubeless tonight at 5:00 PM ET. You should watch it if you are remotely 
>> interested. Much of my current tubeless knowledge was gained by talking 
>> with James and Candice. Before I met the good folks at Analog I had quite a 
>> bit of experience with tubeless setups. Some good and some not so good. 
>>
>> The first thing I'll make clear is that you can continue to run tubes in 
>> your tires and be perfectly happy for the remainder of your biking life. 
>> Nothing wrong with that. Tubeless is not going to rock your world. However, 
>> there are many benefits to setting your tires up tubeless. I'd like to 
>> share those with you based on my own experiences. 
>>
>> You can run low pressure without fear of getting a pinch flat. If you are 
>> a Riv fan you already know the benefit of soft tires. Subtle ride quality 
>> with lots of cush to absorb the bumps. To me this is worth it alone but 
>> there are other benefits. 
>>
>> Much easier to fix a flat tire. True confession I rarely get a flat tire 
>> with tubeless. If you get a small puncture sometimes just riding the tire 
>> allows sealant to get into the hole and seal the tire. If it doesn't seal 
>> you have to plug the hole. Let's say you run over a nail. You can fix the 
>> flat without removing the wheel. Murphy's law is that 75% of your flats 
>> will be on the rear tire.With a tube you have to take the rear wheel off in 
>> the field. No big deal right? I know... I've done it tons of times. That 
>> said, if I can avoid doing so why wouldn't I? With tubeless you can plug 
>> the hole without removing the wheel from the bike. That to me that is a 
>> significant benefit. Of course there remains the possibility that you can 
>> get a gash in the sidewall. That happens but if you are prepared with 
>> gorilla tape and gorilla glue you can fix that without removing the wheel 
>> from the bike as well. 
>>
>> Final tips: 
>>
>>- Get the Dynapill made by Dynaplug for your tubeless repairs. 
>>- Still carry a tube with you. A tube could always be installed as a 
>>last resort but it should be rare. 
>>- Invest in a good air compressor. An air compressor is handy! The 
>>pumps that are sold claiming to seat tubeless tires don't work as 
>> claimed. 
>>I know because I own one. 
>>- Don't try to seat tubeless with a regular bicycle pump. Doesn't 
>>work and not worth the frustration. See above. 
>>- Use Orange Seal Endurance Sealant. Best sealant on the market. 
>>Blows away anything else I've ever tried. 
>>- The tubeless tape that Analog sells is fantastic! Easy to work 
>>with, has the right amount of stretch. 
>>- Don't try to set up any old rim/tire combo tubeless. Look for rims 
>>that are advertised as tubeless. I have Velocity Cliffhangers and Quills 
>> on 
>>my bikes. Both set up easily.  
>>- Buy a tubeless ready tire. 
>>- Don't worry about sealant randomly oozing ou

[RBW] Re: Analog Cycles: Free Tubeless Clinic on Instagram Live

[Tim Bantham]

Well done on the IG live James and Candice. I only was able to check in a 
couple of times but I watched the story.  I had a good excuse though. I was 
out riding my Clem in the woods! It was so cool to connect with some fellow 
Riv folks. We should do a Zoom meeting! 

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 7:08:03 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> That was very informative and cool. I think I'm going to give tubeless 
> another whirl, too, and declare myself an honorary #Rivsister-dude! 😜

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[RBW] Re: He Ain't Heavy, He's My Clem Smith L('il Missy)

[Tim Bantham]

Very nice Clem build Mark! I love my Clem. I hope you enjoy yours as well. 

Tim

On Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 10:36:17 PM UTC-4, Mark Roland wrote:
>
> After much procrastination, my Clem L had a proper shakedown spin today. 
> No Easter parade I'm afraid, but we made do. I'll keep it clear of 
> luggage--back o bike bags and a front bag--for a day or two of tweaking. 
> But it's still a bit on the light side, so I'm looking forward to throwing 
> that extra weight on there to settle it down a bit!;^) *More photos here*: 
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/qc6rMfoke1P8X9Dj7
>
> [image: IMG_20200412_095005021.jpg]
>
> [image: IMG_20200412_125139417.jpg]
>
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[RBW] FS: Nitto Big Rear Rack & Trangia Cookset

[Tim Bantham]

Hello Riv friends! I have a couple of items that I am no longer using that 
I'm offering for sale. Both items are only a year old and have seen limited 
use. 


*Nitto Big Rear Rack 33 R *

Good condition. Used on my Appaloosa for one riding season. Extremely 
sturdy, well built and beautiful but you already knew that because it's a 
Nitto! 

$125 plus shipping to anywhere in the lower 48. Link to photos below.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/HM4HihywHWWAXTXD8

*Trangia Small Cookset 27-7*

Good condition used only a handful of times. Includes everything you see in 
the photos. Two one liter pots and a frying pan. Spirit burner, with O ring 
seal and snuffer. Wind screen, stand and pot grabber. 

$75 plus shipping to anywhere in the lower 48. Link to photos below. 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/eRUnv9cvRDqTKhtu5



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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto Big Rear Rack & Trangia Cookset

[Tim Bantham]

The rack is sold. Stove still available. 

Tim

On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 5:43:08 PM UTC-4, Tim Bantham wrote:
>
> Hello Riv friends! I have a couple of items that I am no longer using that 
> I'm offering for sale. Both items are only a year old and have seen limited 
> use. 
>
>
> *Nitto Big Rear Rack 33 R *
>
> Good condition. Used on my Appaloosa for one riding season. Extremely 
> sturdy, well built and beautiful but you already knew that because it's a 
> Nitto! 
>
> $125 plus shipping to anywhere in the lower 48. Link to photos below.
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/HM4HihywHWWAXTXD8
>
> *Trangia Small Cookset 27-7*
>
> Good condition used only a handful of times. Includes everything you see 
> in the photos. Two one liter pots and a frying pan. Spirit burner, with O 
> ring seal and snuffer. Wind screen, stand and pot grabber. 
>
> $75 plus shipping to anywhere in the lower 48. Link to photos below. 
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/eRUnv9cvRDqTKhtu5
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto Big Rear Rack & Trangia Cookset

[Tim Bantham]

Both the stove and rack are now sold. Thanks for looking. 

Tim

On Wednesday, May 6, 2020 at 12:49:34 PM UTC-4, Tim Bantham wrote:
>
> The rack is sold. Stove still available. 
>
> Tim
>
> On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 5:43:08 PM UTC-4, Tim Bantham wrote:
>>
>> Hello Riv friends! I have a couple of items that I am no longer using 
>> that I'm offering for sale. Both items are only a year old and have seen 
>> limited use. 
>>
>>
>> *Nitto Big Rear Rack 33 R *
>>
>> Good condition. Used on my Appaloosa for one riding season. Extremely 
>> sturdy, well built and beautiful but you already knew that because it's a 
>> Nitto! 
>>
>> $125 plus shipping to anywhere in the lower 48. Link to photos below.
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/HM4HihywHWWAXTXD8
>>
>> *Trangia Small Cookset 27-7*
>>
>> Good condition used only a handful of times. Includes everything you see 
>> in the photos. Two one liter pots and a frying pan. Spirit burner, with O 
>> ring seal and snuffer. Wind screen, stand and pot grabber. 
>>
>> $75 plus shipping to anywhere in the lower 48. Link to photos below. 
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/eRUnv9cvRDqTKhtu5
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] FS: Nitto Mark's and R-14, Ortlieb Panniers Set, Saddle, Restivus

[Tim Bantham]

Hello Riv Friends, 

Looking to move a few items that I am no longer using. 

Nitto Mark's Rack M1 - $90 Shipped Lower 48

Nitto R14 Rear Rack - $100 Shipped Lower 48

Hobo Pieces Restivus Saddle Loops - $40 shipped Lower 48

WTB SST Like new. These are a nice alternative to a leather saddle if this 
is what you prefer. The WTB SST is a classic that is no longer made. Like 
new condition $25 shipped Lower 48

Ortleib Bike Packer Plus Rear Panniers - $125 Pair plus actual shipping 
costs

Ortleib Sport Packer Plus Front Panniers - $100 Pair plus actual shipping 
costs. 

Entire pannier set front and rear $200 plus shipping. 

The Panniers are really nice. These are the PLUS which is the cordura 
material with drawstring closure and map pockets on the rear. A nice 
upgrade from the Classic. Very good condition used only for one week long 
trip and a couple of overnighters last year. Exceptionally waterproof, time 
tested, and proven the world over. 

PayPal preferred. With prices net to me. Thanks for looking!

See below link for photos. 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/5K8hK9NSo91bfXLp8






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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto Mark's and R-14, Ortlieb Panniers Set, Saddle, Restivus

[Tim Bantham]

Sale pending on Mark's and WTB saddle. 

On Monday, May 25, 2020 at 4:35:05 PM UTC-4, Tim Bantham wrote:
>
> Hello Riv Friends, 
>
> Looking to move a few items that I am no longer using. 
>
> Nitto Mark's Rack M1 - $90 Shipped Lower 48
>
> Nitto R14 Rear Rack - $100 Shipped Lower 48
>
> Hobo Pieces Restivus Saddle Loops - $40 shipped Lower 48
>
> WTB SST Like new. These are a nice alternative to a leather saddle if this 
> is what you prefer. The WTB SST is a classic that is no longer made. Like 
> new condition $25 shipped Lower 48
>
> Ortleib Bike Packer Plus Rear Panniers - $125 Pair plus actual shipping 
> costs
>
> Ortleib Sport Packer Plus Front Panniers - $100 Pair plus actual shipping 
> costs. 
>
> Entire pannier set front and rear $200 plus shipping. 
>
> The Panniers are really nice. These are the PLUS which is the cordura 
> material with drawstring closure and map pockets on the rear. A nice 
> upgrade from the Classic. Very good condition used only for one week long 
> trip and a couple of overnighters last year. Exceptionally waterproof, time 
> tested, and proven the world over. 
>
> PayPal preferred. With prices net to me. Thanks for looking!
>
> See below link for photos. 
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/5K8hK9NSo91bfXLp8
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto Mark's and R-14, Ortlieb Panniers Set, Saddle, Restivus

[Tim Bantham]

Both racks sold as well as the saddle. The panniers and restivus saddle 
loop are still available. 

On Monday, May 25, 2020 at 5:31:09 PM UTC-4, Tim Bantham wrote:
>
> Sale pending on Mark's and WTB saddle. 
>
> On Monday, May 25, 2020 at 4:35:05 PM UTC-4, Tim Bantham wrote:
>>
>> Hello Riv Friends, 
>>
>> Looking to move a few items that I am no longer using. 
>>
>> Nitto Mark's Rack M1 - $90 Shipped Lower 48
>>
>> Nitto R14 Rear Rack - $100 Shipped Lower 48
>>
>> Hobo Pieces Restivus Saddle Loops - $40 shipped Lower 48
>>
>> WTB SST Like new. These are a nice alternative to a leather saddle if 
>> this is what you prefer. The WTB SST is a classic that is no longer made. 
>> Like new condition $25 shipped Lower 48
>>
>> Ortleib Bike Packer Plus Rear Panniers - $125 Pair plus actual shipping 
>> costs
>>
>> Ortleib Sport Packer Plus Front Panniers - $100 Pair plus actual shipping 
>> costs. 
>>
>> Entire pannier set front and rear $200 plus shipping. 
>>
>> The Panniers are really nice. These are the PLUS which is the cordura 
>> material with drawstring closure and map pockets on the rear. A nice 
>> upgrade from the Classic. Very good condition used only for one week long 
>> trip and a couple of overnighters last year. Exceptionally waterproof, time 
>> tested, and proven the world over. 
>>
>> PayPal preferred. With prices net to me. Thanks for looking!
>>
>> See below link for photos. 
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/5K8hK9NSo91bfXLp8
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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto Mark's and R-14, Ortlieb Panniers Set, Saddle, Restivus

[Tim Bantham]

A gentle nudge to see if there is any interest in the Ortieb panniers or 
Restivus before I post for sale elsewhere. Thanks for looking! 

Tim

On Tuesday, May 26, 2020 at 6:07:31 AM UTC-4, Tim Bantham wrote:
>
> Both racks sold as well as the saddle. The panniers and restivus saddle 
> loop are still available. 
>
> On Monday, May 25, 2020 at 5:31:09 PM UTC-4, Tim Bantham wrote:
>>
>> Sale pending on Mark's and WTB saddle. 
>>
>> On Monday, May 25, 2020 at 4:35:05 PM UTC-4, Tim Bantham wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Riv Friends, 
>>>
>>> Looking to move a few items that I am no longer using. 
>>>
>>> Nitto Mark's Rack M1 - $90 Shipped Lower 48
>>>
>>> Nitto R14 Rear Rack - $100 Shipped Lower 48
>>>
>>> Hobo Pieces Restivus Saddle Loops - $40 shipped Lower 48
>>>
>>> WTB SST Like new. These are a nice alternative to a leather saddle if 
>>> this is what you prefer. The WTB SST is a classic that is no longer made. 
>>> Like new condition $25 shipped Lower 48
>>>
>>> Ortleib Bike Packer Plus Rear Panniers - $125 Pair plus actual shipping 
>>> costs
>>>
>>> Ortleib Sport Packer Plus Front Panniers - $100 Pair plus actual 
>>> shipping costs. 
>>>
>>> Entire pannier set front and rear $200 plus shipping. 
>>>
>>> The Panniers are really nice. These are the PLUS which is the cordura 
>>> material with drawstring closure and map pockets on the rear. A nice 
>>> upgrade from the Classic. Very good condition used only for one week long 
>>> trip and a couple of overnighters last year. Exceptionally waterproof, time 
>>> tested, and proven the world over. 
>>>
>>> PayPal preferred. With prices net to me. Thanks for looking!
>>>
>>> See below link for photos. 
>>>
>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/5K8hK9NSo91bfXLp8
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Nitto Mark's and R-14, Ortlieb Panniers Set, Saddle, Restivus

[Tim Bantham]

Front Panniers sold. Sale pending on rear panniers. 

Patrick RE: The Restivus: I can't answer your question with certainty. I 
had it mounted on a WTB saddle and it pointed slightly outward and down. It 
worked perfectly. There may be more information on their website. 

https://www.hobopieces.com/product/the-restuvus

On Saturday, May 30, 2020 at 1:31:45 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Tim: 2 questions. 
>
> 1. The Restivus bag attachment: When you bolt it to the rails of a 
> modern saddle like a Flite, with rails that slant up in back at an 
> obtuse angle from the horizontal clamped part -- ie, not like those of 
> the B 17 which at the rear are almost vertical --  do the loops point 
> downward or horizontally rearward? 
>
> 2. On the Packer Pluses the photos show what might look like scuffing 
> or fading; or the light areas might be sunlight. Is the color uniform 
> throughout? 
>
> Thanks. 
>
> On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 6:26 AM Tim Bantham  > wrote: 
> > 
> > A gentle nudge to see if there is any interest in the Ortieb panniers or 
> Restivus before I post for sale elsewhere. Thanks for looking! 
> > 
> > Tim 
> > 
> > On Tuesday, May 26, 2020 at 6:07:31 AM UTC-4, Tim Bantham wrote: 
> >> 
> >> Both racks sold as well as the saddle. The panniers and restivus saddle 
> loop are still available. 
> >> 
> >> On Monday, May 25, 2020 at 5:31:09 PM UTC-4, Tim Bantham wrote: 
> >>> 
> >>> Sale pending on Mark's and WTB saddle. 
> >>> 
> >>> On Monday, May 25, 2020 at 4:35:05 PM UTC-4, Tim Bantham wrote: 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Hello Riv Friends, 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Looking to move a few items that I am no longer using. 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Nitto Mark's Rack M1 - $90 Shipped Lower 48 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Nitto R14 Rear Rack - $100 Shipped Lower 48 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Hobo Pieces Restivus Saddle Loops - $40 shipped Lower 48 
> >>>> 
> >>>> WTB SST Like new. These are a nice alternative to a leather saddle if 
> this is what you prefer. The WTB SST is a classic that is no longer made. 
> Like new condition $25 shipped Lower 48 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Ortleib Bike Packer Plus Rear Panniers - $125 Pair plus actual 
> shipping costs 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Ortleib Sport Packer Plus Front Panniers - $100 Pair plus actual 
> shipping costs. 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Entire pannier set front and rear $200 plus shipping. 
> >>>> 
> >>>> The Panniers are really nice. These are the PLUS which is the cordura 
> material with drawstring closure and map pockets on the rear. A nice 
> upgrade from the Classic. Very good condition used only for one week long 
> trip and a couple of overnighters last year. Exceptionally waterproof, time 
> tested, and proven the world over. 
> >>>> 
> >>>> PayPal preferred. With prices net to me. Thanks for looking! 
> >>>> 
> >>>> See below link for photos. 
> >>>> 
> >>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/5K8hK9NSo91bfXLp8 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
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