[RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

[Roger]

I seem to remember in the early 00's that Sheldon Brown was lobbying
hard for Rivendell to shorten top tubes, and that people on forums
would chorus in on that. That may or may not be germane, though.

On Mar 18, 3:33 pm, James Warren  wrote:
> My 64 cm frame from 2001 has a 62 cm toptube, not 60!
>
> I've often wondered when and why the switch occured on later models.
>
> -Original Message-
> >From: doug peterson 
> >Sent: Mar 18, 2011 3:28 PM
> >To: RBW Owners Bunch 
> >Subject: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis
>
> >Khalid:
>
> >Have a look at this link to an old Atlantis sizing chart:
>
> >http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/atlantis/atlflyer/04.html
>
> >I have two Atlantis catalogues with sizing charts.  They are not dated
> >so don't know which is more current but neither is less than 8-9 years
> >old.  One lists the 58 for PBH from 84 cm to 89, and seat height from
> >74 cm to 79.  The 61 is for 87 cm to 93 PBH and 77 to 82 seat height.
> >The other catalogue has tightened up the range on measurements so
> >there is only 1-2 mm overlap between sizes.
>
> >Others have mentioned that once you're in the ballpark, a cm here &
> >there is within the range of adjustment.  According to Riv's charts,
> >at 88 cm PBH you could ride either a 58 or a 61.  IIRC they are quite
> >close in the top tube dimension.
>
> >dougP
>
> >On Mar 18, 10:01 am, Khalid Mateen  wrote:
> >> I do not know what sizes will fit me on a Rivendell.  They do not have the
> >> sizing on the frame based on a PBH anymore.  I am about the same height as
> >> you.  I am 5'-10/2" with an inseam of 32 inches (at least that is what I 
> >> buy
> >> in pant sizes).  Maybe I need a 58.  My PBH is around 88cm.
>
> >> On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:42 PM, doug peterson  wrote:
> >> > Khalid:
>
> >> > What size(s) are you considering?  The 58 & 61 have some overlap in
> >> > PBH & seat height.  Riv suggested a 61 for me but I'd never ridden
> >> > anything larger than a 58.  I went with 58 with a 10 cm stem & it's
> >> > been perfect.  FWIW, I'd never even seen a Rivendell live before I
> >> > unpacked mine.  I just put the h'bars & seat at the height of my old
> >> > bike, hopped on & took off.  Within a mile I knew I'd gotten the right
> >> > size.  I've only got an inch or so of clearance with both feet on the
> >> > ground, with 35 mm tires.  A bit of clearance when you hop off is
> >> > comforting.
>
> >> > I don't recall my PBH but it must be in the high 80s.  I'm 5'11", 32"
> >> > inseam.  Initially I was talking to Riv about a custom (I thought I
> >> > wanted couplings) but after all the measurin'n'figurin', they
> >> > suggested just buying a stock Atlantis.  Best bicycle advice I've ever
> >> > gotten.
>
> >> > Have you taken all your bike's measurements?  In addition to you,
> >> > measure your current bike's relation of seat to h'bars, seat height,
> >> > etc.  As others have suggested, talk to Riv live about this.  Knowing
> >> > what you're comfortable with now helps clarify the size question.
>
> >> > dougP
>
> >> > On Mar 17, 6:55 pm, Khalid Mateen  wrote:
> >> >  > Hello everyone:
>
> >> > > I am new to this forum and I have a question to ask about ordering an
> >> > > Atlantis.  I have taken my PBH but I am no where near Walnut Creek
> >> > > California.  I am on the east coast of the US and no where near a
> >> > Rivendell
> >> > > Dealer.  Can you tell me, your experience of bicycle fit when ordering
> >> > over
> >> > > the phone a bicycle that you have never tried?  Did the bicycle feel to
> >> > big
> >> > > or too small?  I have always heard good things about the people who 
> >> > > work
> >> > for
> >> > > Rivendell Bicycle works but wanted to ask people who actually purchase
> >> > their
> >> > > bicycles.
>
> >> > > THanks
>
> >> > > Khalid
>
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[RBW] Re: 2011 Bombadil Revealed!

[Roger]

Wow!
Is that frame Mithril?

On Apr 5, 4:54 pm, Marty  wrote:
> Perfection!
>
> http://tinyurl.com/32z9k4l
>
> I even included a video in the set to capture the beauty of the beast.
> Thanks to everyone at Rivendell for delivering a masterpiece. Build
> will begin soon, but I need to catch my breath.
>
> Marty

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[RBW] Re: 2011 Bombadil Revealed!

[Roger]

We are all talking about the paint color Riv likes to call "Mithril,"
right?
It's a silver with a touch of Jade, I believe.

On Apr 6, 4:37 am, Marty  wrote:
> Yes - I specified Mithril, but elected to forego the Musgo headtube
> even though I could have shaved a few grams.
>
> On Apr 6, 12:35 am, Benedikt  wrote:
>
> > Mithril.  Funny.
>
> > On Apr 5, 5:30 pm, Roger  wrote:
>
> > > Wow!
> > > Is that frame Mithril?
>
> > > On Apr 5, 4:54 pm, Marty  wrote:
>
> > > > Perfection!
>
> > > >http://tinyurl.com/32z9k4l
>
> > > > I even included a video in the set to capture the beauty of the beast.
> > > > Thanks to everyone at Rivendell for delivering a masterpiece. Build
> > > > will begin soon, but I need to catch my breath.
>
> > > > Marty

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[RBW] Re: 2011 Bombadil Revealed!

[Roger]

Hear, hear!

On Apr 6, 9:57 am, Marty  wrote:
> I was not that specific, I simply said I'd like a solid silver -
> painter's choice. If it's Mithril, I must say I love it. If not, I
> love it just the same.

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[RBW] Re: building wheels

[Roger]

Nobody really needed me to pile on, but yet, for a step by step
reference Sheldon wrote the easiest to use instructions. I pull out
Brandt if I want some theory or in-depth explanations.

I remember when I finished grad school and could hardly read for
pleasure at all, Sheldon and a few other technical writers (including
Alice Starmore on Fair Isle knitting and a book on tile setting) were
all that kept me reading when I didn't have to.

On Apr 10, 4:43 pm, Thomas Nezovich  wrote:
> I will second what the others have said for Sheldon as a resource.  I would 
> also recommend Roger Musson's 
> ebookhttp://www.wheelpro.co.uk/wheelbuilding/book.php
> On Apr 10, 2011, at 2:29 PM, jandrews_nyc wrote:
>
> > I want to build up a wheelset for my Hillborne.
> > I have a heavy duty touring set, but want to build something
> > spritely ...with 32 spokes max.
> > but ...I've never done it before.  Can anyone recommend a resource for
> > learning the right way?
> > I assume I'll have to invest in some new tools and a truing stand.
> > thanks
> > Jason
>
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[RBW] Re: Grant's April 10 post

[Roger]

Fishing pole mounts don't seem that strange for a Rivendell accessory
to me. Seems like a natural for the ethos of a country bike, actually.

On Apr 10, 2:02 pm, charlie  wrote:
> He's doing something like Bob Dylan did..doing off the wall stuff
> for no particular reason and somehow it catches onnext on the
> list will be fishing pole mounts or a bicycle powered baseball
> pitching attachment ! ; )  Or maybe he just didn't explain it all the
> way. Grant rocks!
>
> On Apr 10, 11:15 am, Aaron Thomas  wrote:
>
> > Maybe I'm missing something (or just need more coffee this morning), but I
> > can't figure out the purpose of the orange bar tape on his Hilsen. Is it to
> > increase bottom bracket stiffness? Is it a premonition of more frame
> > triangulation to come, à la the "Diagonapiller"? A belated April Fool's
> > joke? I'm stumped.
>
> > Aaron

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[RBW] Re: What is that thing to the right of the fork crown?

[Roger]

Rivendell fork crown lugs were the twin candlestick holders at my
wedding.
They were the most elegant touch on the table.

On Apr 15, 8:06 am, grant  wrote:
> It COULD be a nakkin ring, and with a Joe Bell paint job, it would
> sell for $90 each, with a set-of-six going for maybe $500 (save $40
> over the each price). Alas, I have not become spendthrifty in my
> mid-50s, and that would be over-the-top lug fetishism, wouldn't it?
> Whatever double duty it may do, or triple---as a spaghetti measurer,
> for the evidence ignorers who are still into carbs---it will go onto a
> frame that we haven't yet completely sorted out, but it would never be
> the sole token lug on a tigged one (reminds me of the old B.J. Thomas
> lyric, "but any kind of lug is better than no lug at all."
> Anyway, it's for a bike that needs a lot of thinking about. It's
> quirky, will turn some people off (that is not a demerit, just a
> prediction), and mostly, will be widely misunderstood. But I'm just a
> soul whose intentions are good.. (another lyrical referenceI do
> not refer to myself as "a soul").
>
> G
>
> On Apr 13, 6:24 pm, pruckelshaus  wrote:
>
> > Extended headtube ring?
>
> > On Apr 13, 6:13 pm, William  wrote:
>
> > > Grant posted a pdf with some photos
>
> > >http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/420/original_April_13_misc_Lay...
>
> > > One is a new fork crown for a new bike that we may see from them.  It
> > > looks like a Hunqa-crown and says its designed around a 60mm tire.
> > > Then there's a little luggy thing to the right that Grant goes on and
> > > on about whether it's to the right or to the crown's left, but never
> > > says what it is.  It looks like a head tube reinforcer of some kind to
> > > me, but I'm likely wrong.  Could it be tandem pieces?

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[RBW] Re: Grant's "Velosophy"...

[Roger]

I wonder if digital/audio versions are done at Amazon, the publisher,
or the author's prerogative?
If I were the author, I would want to control which proprietary media
and software(s) my work was tied to.

Maybe sending a note to the author would be a good way to ask for your
Kindle version. I hear he's a nice guy  :^)

On May 4, 2:54 am, EricP  wrote:
> I clicked the "ask the publisher for a Kindle version".  Maybe if
> enough folks do that they'll offer a digital copy.
>
> It's sitting on my wish list at Amazon.
>
> Hopefully if there is a photo of Grant, it will be updated from his
> "Roads to Ride" books.
>
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
>
> On May 3, 4:28 pm, Rex Kerr  wrote:
>
> > Any chance for a Kindle version? :)
> > On May 3, 2011 2:24 PM, "Rene Sterental"  wrote:> 
> > Amazon just confirmed that they have a confirmed shipping date for Grant
> > > Petersen "Velosophy".
>
> > > Estimated arrival date: June 03 2011 - July 13 2011. I placed the order in
> > > January when I accidentally discovered it.
>
> > > René
>
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[RBW] My Riv Experience

[Roger]

Is there such a thing as a Taiwan 64cm?
I had thought that size was only made at Waterford.

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[RBW] Re: My Riv Experience

[Roger]

More curious than anything else. I'm not sure  but I thInk only Waterfords have 
undertubes, and a 64cm monotube would have a quite long head tube for current 
Rivthink.

I recently rode a 64cm Hillborne and it felt nice and big compared to my 65cm 
Mercian, which has a much shorter headtube and a jacked up Technomic.

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[RBW] Re: Watter bottle recommendations?

[Roger]

I like that the Iris is stiffest at the top of the cage where it can
best restrain the bottle. My old Riv Aellee's (sp?) are quite rattly
with a Klean Kanteen because the whole cage pivots from the bottom
edge of the cage.

The only flaw I see with myfavorite Iris/KK 28oz wide mouth combo is
that the King cages don't have a tab for strap mounting. One of my
bikes has cage mounts on the down tube but not seat tube, and I need
straps to attach a bottle cage.

I see that VO says of their Moderniste that the "newer, stronger
version cannot be used with bottle cage clamps" so even if they are
now made better, they no longer would solve my only issue with King.
Pity...

On Jun 15, 1:51 pm, Benedikt  wrote:
> My Velo Orange cages fell apart after a few short mile.  Broken
> weld.
>
> My Kleen Kanteen's have no rattling AT ALL in my King Cage Iris.  Both
> insulated and regular.
>
> On Jun 15, 1:14 pm, andrew hill  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > I've found the VO cages to be underwhelming in build quality - I've had 3 
> > different styles (type I, II, and moderniste) and two of them have 
> > separated at the welds, and one of the three wasn't even close to "true" 
> > either - e.g. crooked lines set-up pre-weld (one of the type I/II - forget 
> > which).  
>
> > On Jun 15, 2011, at 1:05 PM, Bill Gibson (III) wrote:
>
> > > I have and daily enjoy my Klean Kanteens (sp?) both single and double 
> > > wall bottles. The folks at the company seems to be great, too, it might 
> > > be a family design and sourcing operation, except the bottles aren't made 
> > > locally, as in the USA. They sent me a recall notice for one of my bottle 
> > > caps, then sent me two replacements even though the cap I sent in wasn't 
> > > defective, so I bought another Klean Kanteen. I'm using them in some 
> > > Camelback neoprene sleeves in off bike use, and in my Quickbeam's bottle 
> > > cages in on bike use.  I got my Quickeam's cages from Velo Orange.
>
> > >http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/water-bottles-cage...
>
> > > I like what Velo Orange is up to almost as much a what Rivendell is up to 
> > > and want to support both, but...
>
> > > I can't think of a better use of the wool in an 
> > > all-used-up-and-can't-be-darned-any-more-sock-or-sweater than an 
> > > evaporative cooling sleeve for a feeder bottle. Boil the wool, then use 
> > > scissors, then sew it up to fit.
>
> > > I remember bike shops selling little wool bottle socks just for that 
> > > purpose decades ago. At this time of year they dry out in about 1/2 hour 
> > > in Southern Arizona. Remember those canteens with the wool serape pattern 
> > > covers? Works.
>
> > > On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Rene Sterental  
> > > wrote:
> > > Do they fit on KK Iris cages? I thought they didn't...
>
> > > Sent from my iPhone 4
>
> > > On Jun 15, 2011, at 10:41 AM, Zack  wrote:
>
> > > > Robert:  You should try one of the double-walled insulated KK
> > > > bottles!  They are awesome.  You can keep coffee hot and water cold
> > > > for a pretty good amount of time.  In my experience it's a little
> > > > better at keeping coffee hot for a while than water cold, but it's
> > > > still a vast improvement over the single walled KK.
>
> > > > -Z
>
> > > > On Jun 15, 1:19 pm, "Robert F. Harrison"  wrote:
> > > >> I use KKs but I've always put a wet sock around them. This not only 
> > > >> stops
> > > >> the rattling but keeps the water much cooler in the Hawaiian sun. With 
> > > >> the
> > > >> right sock it's not terribly unattractive and as it works well I don't 
> > > >> worry
> > > >> about how it looks.
>
> > > >>http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2787/4355453296_13cf567091_z.jpg
>
> > > >> Aloha!
>
> > > >> On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 4:54 AM, Darin G.  wrote:
> > > >>> Those of you using the Kleen Kanteen--do they rattle around?  I
> > > >>> suspect there is a difference between being secure in the cage and not
> > > >>> making noise every time you go over a bump.
>
> > > >>> On Jun 15, 6:14 am, John Aydelotte  wrote:
> > >  +1 for the King Kage Iris.  I have them on almost all my bikes.  They
> > >  fit the Klean Kanteen bottles extremely well.
>
> > >  I actually met the guy who makes them at the Rocky Mountain Bicycle
> > >  Festival this past weekend.  He made most of a cage in front of me in
> > >  under a minute (not including the part that holds it onto the bike --
> > >  I think that's welded on).  I am happy to support a local businessman
> > >  (Durango, CO) who makes such a great product.
>
> > >  On Jun 15, 5:05 am, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>
> > > > On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 21:59 -0700, cyclotourist wrote:
> > > >> King Cage Iris cages.  Not as elegant as the Nittos, but still look
> > > >> interesting and have held up well so far (bought earlier this 
> > > >> year).
> > > >> They carry KK bottles fine, with no need for twine or leather.
>

[RBW] Re: HS

[Roger]

I've wanted more saddle setback on every bike I've ever owned, and
I've read it's the front derailleur's expected operating range that
makes bike designers shy away from seat tube angles shallower than 72
degrees.

I had a single speed frame made by Mercian with a 71 degree seat tube
angle and by the time I slam a B17 all the way back it gives my
favorite position of any bike I've ridden. Still, being a heavy guy,
I'd rather have the saddle rails centered on the clamp (not maxed to
one end) so a slacker seat tube angle would be welcome for me.

On Jun 18, 9:01 am, newenglandbike  wrote:
> I wonder what it is that will make it single-chainring only-  will the
> seat-tube angle/low BB prevent the use of a front derailleur?    Or is
> it that they will only ship with a single front ring(?)   Or will it
> have a fully enclosed chainguard?
>
> I like the theory that it will have an internal-geared hub.
>
> -Matt
>
> On Jun 18, 11:34 am, Zack  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Well, it definitely has a single chain ring (it says so in the HS
> > excel form: "You know it's a single-chain ring bike? Not a single
> > speed, single chainring."), so perhaps it is a 3, 7, or 8 speed
> > internal hub townie bike?
>
> > On Jun 18, 10:36 am, William  wrote:
>
> > > I also hope it works out for Riv.  It's a novel idea for raising
> > > money.  I hope there are enough people who can afford it and willing
> > > to take the leap of faith.  I imagine that those that walk up with
> > > their $2500 deposit will get some of their questions answered while
> > > leaving enough of the surprise for the end to make it fun.
>
> > > What things do I buy without having any idea what I'm buying?  Let's
> > > see...a movie or play.  Food.  One of the best meals I ever had I was
> > > out of the country, and nobody in the restaurant spoke english and I
> > > couldn't really order.  One of the cooks came out and said "I will
> > > make a good meal for you".  It was spectacular.  Maybe this bike will
> > > work out the same way for the fortunate nine.
>
> > > On Jun 17, 7:05 pm, EricP  wrote:
>
> > > > Definitely beyond what I'd be comfortable spending. But I hope it does
> > > > work out and becomes a regular model.  No matter what.  (Well, maybe
> > > > not a mountain unicycle or full suspension recumbent.)
>
> > > > Was guessing "HS" meant "highly secret" as in, no telling what the
> > > > bike is until it's in your hands. (Or Harry Smith, whose Anthology of
> > > > American Folk Music was one of Bob Dylan's main influences.)
>
> > > > Eric Platt
> > > > St. Paul, MN
>
> > > > On Jun 17, 8:58 pm, Leslie  wrote:
>
> > > > > I think it sounds really interesting;  I love the idea of the
> > > > > 'Nine' (for the Fellowship, eh?) (or, the Nazgul)
>
> > > > > Wish I could, but, a bit beyond what I need to be doing (I've got one
> > > > > already in the pipeline, am patiently waiting on)...
>
> > > > > I hope it's really successful for G

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[RBW] Re: HS

[Roger]

" It would be very cool if they also made a real shifter for the
Rohloff.  I'm not in the market for a new bike but I'd be very, very
happy to get a bar end shifter that was setup to handle the extra
throw required by the Rohloff!  I'd ditch that damned twist shifter in
a split second."

I feel the same way about the SA 8-speed I have and its twist shifter.
I tried using a friction thumbshifter with it but had too many bad
shifts. I see that J-Tek has taken it upon themselves to do what SA
should have. Maybe I'll spring for the $125 barend shifter some time
and put the SA back into service.

 Does anyone prefer twist shifters?


On Jun 20, 1:19 pm, Kenneth Stagg  wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 3:15 PM, cm  wrote:
> > I think an IGH bike makes the most sense and possibly even a Rohloff.
> > What other IGH would you want to ride off road and take touring? And
> > that would put a lot of restrictions on the bike. What else would
> > there be left to choose? Brakes would be determined by whether the
> > bike was set up for cant-, center, or v. Handlebars would need to be
> > 25.4 (unless I am not aware of a road bar Rohloff shifter).
>
> It would be very cool if they also made a real shifter for the
> Rohloff.  I'm not in the market for a new bike but I'd be very, very
> happy to get a bar end shifter that was setup to handle the extra
> throw required by the Rohloff!  I'd ditch that damned twist shifter in
> a split second.
>
> -Ken

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[RBW] Re: HS

[Roger]

"I'm not familiar with the SA 8-speed.  Is the shifter indexed or just
the hub?"

The SA 8-speed hub isn't indexed, but it definitely wants to be
centered into each gear without much feedback. Supposedly Sheldon
Brown could do it, but like 99% of the things Sheldon could do, it was
beyond my skills. I miss Sheldon.

Part of the allure of the thumbshifter (which would be about equal
with a barend shifter) was that I used the wheel/cable/shifter setup
as a self-contained module that I could have on or off of my single
speed bike in a couple of minutes with nothing but 2 or 3 zipties for
the cable and tightening the shifter clamp on the bar. Except for the
constant "is it in or out of gear" fiddliness and ker-chunking out of
gear under load it was great. I'd like a clamp-on downtube shifter
best of all for this concept.

On Jun 20, 2:53 pm, Kenneth Stagg  wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Roger  wrote:
> > " It would be very cool if they also made a real shifter for the
> > Rohloff.  I'm not in the market for a new bike but I'd be very, very
> > happy to get a bar end shifter that was setup to handle the extra
> > throw required by the Rohloff!  I'd ditch that damned twist shifter in
> > a split second."
>
> > I feel the same way about the SA 8-speed I have and its twist shifter.
>
> I'm not familiar with the SA 8-speed.  Is the shifter indexed or just
> the hub?  The silly thing about not offering a bar-end or similar for
> the Rohloff is that the shifter has no indexing - it's all handled at
> the hub - so the only issues are the dual cable setup (easy enough)
> and pulling enough cable (more work but doable.)
>
> -Ken

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[RBW] Re: Wanted --- 68 CM Quickbeam

[Roger]

What's the top tube length on that?
Some very tall frames from that era are not so long. I have a
Centurion from about 1983 in my rafters that I remember as being a
62/56. I called it a hunchy frame.

On Jun 28, 3:00 pm, William  wrote:
> One of you tall dudes can have the thrill of having a commuter bike that's
> too big for you, for SUPER cheap!  I have this 27" frame Fuji leftover from
> the bike swap I helped run as a fundraiser for my kids' elementary school.  
> $80 + shipping!  Lugs!  Steel!  Two chainrings like a QB!  A choice of cogs
> that work like a QB!  It's closer to a 69cm than a 68cm (27" = 68.58cm).  
> Let me know if you are interested.  
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/sets/72157626644105631/

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[RBW] Re: wow

[Roger]

Many Sturmey Archer IGH's are designed around the traditional oln of
120mm, making them easy to swap in to bikes like the Quickbeam. In a
few minutes time one could change out a single speed rear wheel with
an SA RF8 8-speed wheel/cable/shifter unit.

The cable stop attaches to the hub assembly and the whole thing can go
and off as a unit. I use a couple of zip ties to secure the cable to
the down tube for easy removal. It looks like the new Jtek shifter
would be a great, if pricey, way to use a barend for those (like me)
who don't like grip shifters.

The new 3-speed fixed comes with a barend, and a duomatic kickback
wouldn't even need a cable.

On Jul 1, 12:02 pm, James Warren  wrote:
> You know what would be awesome: a derailleurless Rivendell frame just like 
> the Simpleone but with 135 rear spacing and some cable stops that make it 
> ready to handle this in 11:
>
> http://www.shimano.com/publish/content/global_cycle/en/us/index/produ...
>
> or one of these:
>
> http://www.fallbrooktech.com/Docs/GearInch_32011.pdf

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[RBW] Re: Supplier of quality waxed canvas?

[Roger]

I looked into buying some #8 Martexin Original Wax from them recently. But 
after paying the $21 for one yard, there would then be a minimum $30 small 
order handling charge. Plus, I haven't made the phone call, but it's not 
clear they will sell less than 5 yards.

Fairfield is set up as a wholesale suppplier, which is great, but at least 
my humble Google-Fu skills have not turned up any small volume retailer of 
wax duck who is set up to serve the hobbyist.
Seems like Martexin cotton duck would be perfect for a cottage industry to 
offer in small amounts, or as a group buy.

http://www.fairfieldtextile.com/sounds/Stock_Items_prices_and_charges11.pdf

Roger

On Saturday, September 28, 2013 7:21:24 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> To answer my own question (I really should learn to Google first, ask 
> second):
> http://www.fairfieldtextile.com/fabrics.html
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Saturday, September 28, 2013 8:04:56 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> This past trip my experiment with carrying my food on the front Mark's 
>> rack worked out wonderfully.  I put the food (relatively small amount per 
>> day, as it's one meal a day of butter, beef jerky, and dried potatoes) into 
>> the bear-bag and wrap that in a 3'x3' tarp which then doubles as a ground 
>> cloth to sit on. Here's a pic of the wrap on the rack: 
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/9980939546/
>>
>> I would love to have the food be wrapped in waxed cotton canvas, which 
>> can then double as a ground cloth. Anyone know a good source for waxed 
>> canvas cloth or tarps?
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org*
>> *www.OurHolyConception.org*
>>  
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Re: [RBW] Re: PDX Sunrise Coffee Club Tomorrow

[Roger]

I've been doing a little bit of coffee riding lately.
This Friday, I stopped off on the East Bay Trail for a break. 

I use a trangia stove and a diy caldera-style cone that wraps around the 
Klean Kanteen in its Iris Cage.
Pictures prove the Klean Kanteen gets a bit 
blackened, 
but unscathed, with use.







On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 2:50:29 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I started my 35 mile commute from El Cerrito to South Hayward in the dark 
> this morning and thought of you all.  In fact, I got down my mini stove and 
> thought about packing it for a coffee break mid ride.  I didn't follow 
> through and do it, but perhaps next time.  I try to do that ride once a 
> week.  
>
> On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 1:09:32 PM UTC-7, Christopher Chen wrote:
>>
>> Yes, that's exactly where it happens.
>>
>> http://www.soapboxracer.com/
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Curtis McKenzie wrote:
>>
>>> Wonder pictures.  How serene.  Is this where they hold the crazy down 
>>> hill race?  A few years ago I was in town and attended a wacky race of 
>>> gravity powered vehicles.
>>>
>>> Sadly, I was at work during this time. (in San Diego of course)
>>>
>>> Curtis
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Andy Smitty Schmidt 
>>> <54c...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
 Thanks for motivating me out of bed a little earlier than I might 
 otherwise have gotten up. Felt good to get 5 miles and a couple hundred 
 feet climbing in before sunrise... then I got to ride home.

 Pics

 --Smitty

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell BBH visit

[Roger]

Open combs like that nice Merkur are nice razors. They shave nice and 
close, and don't clog so easily when one hasn't shaved for several days.

For Patrick and others, shaving is a regressive technology (now geared 
primarily towards marketing advances) and many believe that unless you want 
to go all the way to a straight edge, that the double-edged razor blade is 
the next best thing. 

Great razor blades can still be bought as cheaply as disposables (10 cents 
to 50 cents a blade that will last for perhaps 5 to 10 or more shaves), and 
the razors themselves (essentially blade holders) from the 1910s to 1970s 
that one finds in antique stores and thrift stores can be as good or better 
than those made today. 

My two favorite razors are a refurbished Gillette open comb at least 50 
years old, and a Merkur Slant razor I bought in an antique shop in Luling 
Texas. I think it was made in Germany in the 1930s. 

As for blades, each brand is slightly different: some too sharp, some too 
dull, some quite stiff, some flexible... I like 7 o'clock most of the time, 
but go for the Kai or Feather if I really want to...carefully... shave 
really closely.

On Sunday, November 3, 2013 6:44:29 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I love me my Merkur 1904 model: 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/64942209@N00/5149860903 
>
> Blades are all over the place as you mentioned, but the basic razor is 
> fantastic. 
>
> On 11/3/13, Patrick Moore > wrote: 
> > I might have to buy one of those shaving brushes. 
> > 
> > What's the best soap to use it with? 
> > 
> > I don't worry about haircuts -- 7 years since I saw a barber, so 
> > liberating! -- but I do shave. 
> > 
> > (I hack off 2"  off the tail every six months or so: cinch tightly, grip 
> > tightly, and chop with sharp scissors. Sometimes relatives do a smoother 
> > job.) 
> > 
> > 
> > On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 10:31 AM, James Warren 
> > >wrote: 
> > 
> >> 
> >> I'll bet the next-door barber conspicuously started using this in the 
> >> last 
> >> couple of weeks: 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> http://www.rivbike.com/proraso-shave-brush-p/goo21.htm 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Nov 3, 2013, at 9:24 AM, Jim M. wrote: 
> >> 
> >> On Saturday, November 2, 2013 4:53:43 PM UTC-7, BSWP wrote: 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Anyone tried the barber next door yet? I may soon be needing a new 
> shop 
> >>> for my short haircuts, and would go out of my way to get a good cut 
> with 
> >>> interesting conversation. 
> >>> 
> >>> The best barber in the Creek is DiMaggio's, which is south a few 
> blocks 
> >> at 1379 N. Main. The owner (1st chair) is a 2nd cousin of Joltin' Joe. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell BBH visit

[Roger]

Ironically, your photo is called "The Old" but I believe that was a razor 
that debuted in 1929 and was named "The New"

Here's some fun reading:
http://www.mr-razor.com/Rasierer/Gillette%20Rasierer.htm

Funnily, the razor that preceded "The New" was "The New Improved".
The easiest way to distinguish "The New" from previous models is that it 
was the first Gillette not to have the two "vampire teeth" blade centering 
pins on the underside of the razor.

To me, "The New" was the pinnacle of Gillette technology, better than the 
very aggressive razors that came before it and better than all the later 
solid bar (i.e. not open comb) razors of later decades.


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>
> Roger, here's my grandfather's Gillette open comb: 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/5150469506/in/photostream/ I 
> don't know the age of it, but probably 50 y.o. at least. Works 100% 
> perfectly... snip
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Re: [RBW] Re: PDX Sunrise Coffee Club Tomorrow

[Roger]

Thanks Paul

Yeah, I just carry the trangia (filled with enough fuel) in whatever bag 
I'm using at that moment. Trangia, matches and a baggie of coffee grounds 
is all I need to carry that isn't carried on the Klean Kanteen itself.

As for the cone, I find the key is the rivet. Other cones and screens I've 
had flounced around like a loose spring until fully set up, but the rivet 
holds the cone's shape to only expanding/contracting at the bottom for use 
or storage. With nothing more than the rivet and a spoke to hold the 
Kanteen the right distance above the Trangia, it is a very stable structure.

I don't really know much about percolating coffee. I pretty much use the 
method Russ Roca suggested in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4GTLDBei5w

As an aside, I use two Kanteens, one for boiling and one for 
brewing/drinking just because that's what I already carried on the bike. 
One could boil and brew in just the uninsulated bottle. One could also just 
boil in the bottle and then use the hot water for a different coffee making 
system. Or, even tea.

On Monday, November 4, 2013 7:14:56 AM UTC-8, Paul wrote:
>
> That's a really nice looking setup. Do you just carry the trangia with 
> fuel in it in a separate bag? And are you boiling the water in one kleen 
> kanteen and then pouring it over the coffee in the H2Jo? Have you tried 
> percolating with it?
>
> Paul
>
> On Sunday, November 3, 2013 6:34:11 PM UTC-5, Roger wrote:
>>
>> I've been doing a little bit of coffee riding lately.
>> This Friday, I stopped off on the East Bay Trail for a break. 
>>
>> I use a trangia stove and a diy caldera-style cone that wraps around the 
>> Klean Kanteen in its Iris Cage.
>> Pictures prove the Klean Kanteen gets a bit 
>> blackened<http://www.flickr.com/photos/56856126@N02/sets/72157636021321473/>,
>>  but unscathed, with use.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Yet more travel coffee questions!

[Roger]

I keep a small carton of milk or half and half in the freezer to take with 
me on overnighters.
It thaws over time, certainly long enough to still have some ice the next 
morning, and would surely give it a longer life on longer trips.

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[RBW] Something Old, Something New, Something Borrowed, Almost Blue

[Roger]

 I’ve been a Rivendell member since 1997. I’ve outfitted my bikes in 
Rivendell-inspired ways with many Riv-bought parts, and during the time 
that Rivendell frames only came out at a trickle and there was a year long 
waiting list for the Longlow I wanted in 1999, I even used Riv specs as 
possible on my Mercians. But I’ve never actually had a Rivendell frame 
until now.

On Friday I took out for a first ride the Sam Hillborne 62cm in Sage Green 
that I picked up recently. I built it up with parts on hand as possible, 
and it came out as Something Old, Something New, Something Borrowed, Almost 
Blue.

Something Old

The first talk I had with Grant in 1997 was about how I just couldn’t 
relate to index shifting and 8 speeds – and I was indignant that there was 
9 and rumors of 10 speeds about to further complicate my life. He suggested 
a Phil 7 speed, 135 oln hub for the bike I had then. I’ve built that hub as 
both a 26” and 700c wheel for a few different bikes over the years. It 
still rolls very smoothly and, a new 13-28 freewheel cluster, I’m glad to 
bring that first bond with Rivendell on board this bike.

Something New

I’ve been told that derailers have improved in the last twenty years, so 
have current models of Deore rear and CX-70 front derailers. Sam also has 
the long reach Tektro calipers that made him possible as a non-cantilever 
bike (not that I wouldn’t have preferred him as a cantilever…). I also am 
so far liking the new Barlow tires. 

 

Something Borrowed

I had intended and still may someday use a Sugino AT crank I had squirreled 
away, but it turns out a 107mm bottom bracket comes with the Hillborne. In 
order to streamline things and utilize this bottom bracket already in 
there, I borrowed an old Ritchey Logic crank from the Vigorelli , and 
cleaned up 46 and 34 tooth rings for it. Fits perfectly! And will probably 
stay until I need some lower gears for a camping trip.

Almost Blue

Yep, it’s just got a nice ring in it to say almost blue. Also, the color 
seems equally greenish-blue as bluish-green to me. I’ll call it Almost Blue.

I’ve always liked Moustache Bars and wanted to start off this bike with 
this maligned and recently abandoned bar. I’ve found over the years that 
when I’m tinkering with bikes, they tend to shed barends, noodles, and 
especially albatrosses, in favor of Moustache Bars and DT shifters. 
Unfortunately, Sam doesn’t support downtubers, so we’ll see how that works 
out.

First ride was 15 miles of positive. I need the bars a little higher/closer 
than the stem on hand allows, and I’m not sure about the plethora of cables 
to reach through to get to the front bag (even though I like the non-aero 
Superbe levers otherwise). I also need to get that saddle back a little 
farther. 
Good Times!

Photos of Almost Blue Sam Sitting on the Dock of the 
Bay:<https://www.flickr.com/photos/56856126@N02/sets/72157643167142163/>

Roger

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[RBW] Re: Something Old, Something New, Something Borrowed, Almost Blue

[Roger]

Thanks for the kind words everyone. The Sam Hillborne is indeed a handsome 
bike. I believe I got the last 62cm in this color, with the next batch, in 
the standard blue I'm told, not arriving for a little while.

Today I went for a spin with the seat set back a little further and found 
it closer to where I usually set the saddle. I like a lot of setback, it 
helps me to balance my upper body without putting too much weight on my 
hands and arms.

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[RBW] Re: Sugino XD Single Chainring Bottom Bracket Width.

[Roger]

Around 1998, Grant set me up with a Sugino AT and a 115 spindle for use as 
a single (remember when Riv used to sell cool old NOS parts?). I believe I 
used a 3mm spacer to get clearance where the chainring bolts mount. This 
was for use with a 126mm rear hub. I'm not sure if a modern 130/135mm 
spacing would need a little more clearance at the crank.

On Friday, April 4, 2014 4:14:33 PM UTC-7, David Banzer wrote:
>
> "Then I went to a Sugino AT with a 122 spindle and ring on the outside."
>
> That's interesting, I happen to have a Sugino AT and a Tange 122.5 bottom 
> bracket sitting in the parts bin right now. Looks like I'll be able to 
> setup the Redwood and go for a ride this weekend.
> David
>

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Re: [RBW] FS: Sam Hillborne - 60cm

[Roger]

My wife asked me to let the forum to know she is baffled at this one bike 
concept and not in agreement.

She peppered me with questions about how this would work: how would I get 
to work if my bike broke down, how would I get exercise, how would I have 
the right bike for shopping and a weekend ride?

I told her I had four running bikes and she replied that it seemed like at 
minimum five was a decent limit - not that she was counting...

On Tuesday, April 15, 2014 3:40:11 PM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> I am glad I had many bikes when I met my wife, else she be tempted to 
> attempt a similar policy in our home ;)
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:48 AM, Mattt  >wrote:
>
>> I am selling my 60cm Sam Hillborne.  I estimate it has about 1000 miles 
>> on it.  The frame is in excellent condition.   There are 3-4 nicks on 
>> the frame. There is no chain scrapes or anything of the such on the chain 
>> stay.  The Sam has not been in crashes and always ridden with care.  
>> Framesaver 
>> was put on or in the Sam. I recently put on new wires for the brakes and 
>> derailers.  The moustache bar is a little beat up, but most of the 
>> scrapes are under the tape.  The moustache bar has a noticeable scrape 
>> near the clamp from a previous owner struggling to get it on.
>>
>> I had this for sale on craiglist in the past and someone on the list 
>> posted it here.   I found my white whale and why now putting this on the 
>> market again.  I have to conform to my wife’s one bike policy.
>>
>> I understand the moustache bar is not a desirable handlebar for some 
>> riders.  A dirt drop stem usually goes with the moustache bar  If this 
>> is the case, I will sell the bike without the moustache bar for $40 less 
>> and without the moustache bar and dirt drop stem for $100 less. 
>>
>> The Sam Hillborne does not include the rear rack and front and rear light 
>> seen in the pictures.  Also, the moustache bar no longer has tape.  I 
>> was doing some experimenting with handlebars.  I will update the 
>> pictures accordingly if you want to see without. 
>>
>> Please send me any questions.  
>> I am asking $2000 plus shipping.  Send me an offer you believe is fair.  The 
>> most I can say is no or barter and we can still be RBW friends.
>> I live in Oklahoma City, OK, if anyone is near by and wants to see in 
>> person.  
>> I did my best for detailed pictures.  If you need to see anything 
>> further let me know.
>>   
>> *https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B3njnWUSiXUHNFZNZkFmenloREE&usp=sharing*
>>  
>>  Here is a list of the parts:
>>
>> Rear Wheel – White Industries MI5 hub with Velocity Synergy Rims
>>
>> Front Wheel – Shimano dynamo hub with Velocity Synergy Rims
>>
>> *Both wheels were built by Tony at Longleaf Cycles
>>
>> Tires – Schwalbe Marathon Supremes 700x32 (Lots of life left)
>>
>> Skewers – Velo Orange Quick Release
>>
>> Rear Cassette – Shimano XT M770 9 Speed – 11-32
>>
>> Rear Derailer – Shimano XT M772 Shadow
>>
>> Front Derailer – Shimano Ultregra 6700 Double
>>
>> Bottom Bracket – SKF
>>
>> Crank – Sugino Alpina 172.5mm Double 34x48
>>
>> Pedals – MKS Sylvan Touring with Power straps( I know someone out there 
>> loves them besides me)
>>
>> Fenders – Honjo 45mm Le Paon (There is a barely noticeable extra hole I 
>> drilled in wrong place.)
>>
>> Seatpost – Nitto S65
>>
>> Saddle – Brooks B17
>>
>> Brakes – Paul Components Racer
>>
>> Brake Levers – Cane Creek Aero Levers
>>
>> Shifters – Silver Shifters 
>>
>> Headset – Tange
>>
>> Stem – Nitto Dirt Drop 10cm and 26mm clamp
>>
>> Nitto Rear Brake hanger
>>  
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
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>>  
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[RBW] Re: ACW store just got a big revamp and restock for all you Associated coffeeoutside types.

[Roger]

i just received my mug and not only did it arrive intact, it is the cat's 
pajamas!

On Saturday, May 28, 2016 at 7:22:19 AM UTC-7, jinxed wrote:
>
> Over the last couple years I've had multiple requests for both tees and 
> ceramic at home mugs. Apologies for taking so long, but I have finally 
> dipped my toe in those waters.
>
> Decided to try out a small order of custom cycling caps made in TX by 
> Ellum Bag Works. Plus new enamel mugs and patches.
>
> Our weather has been quite off and on and seemingly the "off" has been 
> perfectly timed with my "on" to thwart my riding. Luckily it seems the ice 
> has broken and finally got out for some of my own coffeeoutside excursions. 
> It's amazing how recharging getting back on the bike is. Even with fitness 
> being in the tank, it's so good to get pedaling.
>
> 
> Association of Caffeinated Wheelmen store 
> 
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[RBW] Re: Curious bit of Rivendell History

[Roger]

I think GP wrote that he'd had a friend or acquaintance by that name,
with that spelling. Maybe it was to that person.

Roger
(first time poster)

On Nov 21, 8:41 pm, James Warren  wrote:
> If you have Rivendell Reader #33 from Fall of 2004, take a look at Page 3, 
> the last two lines of text before the photos.
>
> It's a message from Grant that says, "Confidential to Hunkapillar. If you're 
> there, please contact. Nothing bad."

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[RBW] Re: Splats rock.

[Roger]

Aargh, my size is backordered!



On Dec 3, 2:05 pm, Bob  wrote:
> Alex, couldn't agree more about the MUSA rain pants. My first
> impression of them is very favorable.  Very good value for money.
>
> On Dec 1, 1:47 am, amoll68  wrote:
>
> > Pretty cool.
>
> > I need to get off my butt, and order a large pair, before it's too
> > late.
>
> > I'll admit that I thought they were a joke, at first. But, c'mon, I'm
> > sure I wasn't the only one? Remember that first intro post - with the
> > mudflaps, right?
>
> > Also, they look kinda homely - BUT I think I really need them. In the
> > winter, I use gore-tex lined hiking boots on Grip Kings on my "rain
> > bike" - it's a great set-up.
>
> > However, I have Speedplay Frogs on my AHH, and I use the Pearl Izumi X-
> > alp touring shoes. Great shoes, but all the toe-covers on the market
> > seem to be for roadie shoes, and don't fit MTB style shoes very well
> > at all - I've been quite disappointed. I'm sure the Splats will work
> > great.
>
> > I think Riv might do pretty well with these, and I think they should
> > be a long-time staple.
>
> > BTW, also want to mention that the MUSA rain pants "ROCK" too, and
> > worth every orange cent - HIGHLY RECOMMENDED!
>
> > Best,
>
> > Alex Moll
> > Marysville, WA (north of Seattle)

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillars?

[Roger]

"It's a 62cm and I'm hoping for a parallel top-tube as opposed to the
other."

Is this on the table for discussion with Rivendell?

I know I felt gut-punched when I fell for the first grey/red and grey/
orange prototype photos and then that proto got the rug pulled out
from under it. Luckily (if you are very desperately looking for a
silver lining), my finances took a reversal and it was made a moot
question. The Bombadil complete diagonal seems very right, but,
well...I don't want to be run off this forum after one of my first
posts by dissenting on the Diagopillar  ;^)

I did see a beautiful parallel tubed Sam Hillborne at Riv HQ the other
day. If it accepted bigger tires, slightly different geometry and was
otherwise Hunqa-like...

Roger

On Dec 4, 8:45 am, robert zeidler  wrote:
> I'm expecting mine 3d-4th week in January, or at least that's what they
> said.  The build will be similar to the video, except for a color-matched
> lugged 150mm stem (their recommendation), and WTB Velociraptors (my choice),
> oh, and a sprung Brooks.  It's a 62cm and I'm hoping for a parallel top-tube
> as opposed to the other.  But, I didn't like the double top-tube at 1st
> (actually I still think it's dumb, and overkill), but it's not like it will
> be in my face all the time.
>
> I'm getting it specifically for a different type of riding that I can do in
> my area of New England, where I have an unlimited choice of narrow backroads
> (town roads we call them) connected by unpaved dirtroads, old abandonned,
> un-maintained roads that are ride-able, and the occasional interconnecting
> game trail, turned footpath (hence the knobbies).  My aim is to sit more
> upright, putt along at a deliberately lower velocity, carry a bag with some
> eats/camera,jacket,etc., and have the gearing/tires to cover most
> situations, but if not...I'll get off and push.
>
> I'll send pics if you want and I'll be covering it as I ramp up my blog.
>
> http://rgzeidler.blogspot.com/
>
> RGZ
>
> On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Mike  wrote:
> > Hey, so anyone out there actually riding one? What are your thoughts?
> > Pictures? I know they must be out there, chime in lurkers!
>
> > I see there's a beautiful green one posted to the frame specials page
> > on the RBW website. My size to. I've been seriously contemplating
> > purchasing one but still haven't pulled the trigger. I'm kicking
> > around some other options to like holding out for a used Atlantis
> > frame or just going the inexpensive route and getting a Surly LHT
> > which isn't as versatile as a Hunqa but a lot cheaper and a bike I'm
> > much more inclined to use for daily service around town. This is very
> > much a luxury problem...
>
> > Anyway, I'd love to hear from Hunqa owners how they're liking their
> > bikes and how they're enjoying them.
>
> > --mike
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[RBW] Re: Which Rivendell bike?

[Roger]

If you're nimble and on the lighter side, perhaps a Roadeo would fit
the bill, as it is the successor to the Legolas, with a few notable
changes like bb height and brake type. Mostly, I say this mostly
because I just want to plug Vaughn's "Walking the Dog" youtube video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkNyN0j_cfo

That's a fun-looking style of nimble riding on a lightweight bike.
Probably about the equivalent of my weight on a Hunqapillar...

On Dec 8, 8:26 am, CycloFiend  wrote:
> on 12/7/10 1:31 PM, JimP at thefamil...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Which Rivendell bike would you choose for the following:
>
> > Approx 3500 acres of Hardwoods and pastures,very hilly with ridges and
> > bottoms. Surrounded by asphalt gravel and dirt roads. Horse trails.
> > Dowhhill to the bottoms from normal starting point. Long uphill treck
> > (~ 1 mile) through pastures back. Dirt road travels to the bottoms so
> > you can cross a shallow (~ 1 foot +/-) creek and pedal uphill on the
> > dirt road then to asphalt the long way around (4-5 miles) back. A few
> > steep hills from the bottoms to the tops of ridges (I would probably
> > have to walk the bike up these but going downhill would be fun).
>
> > Thoughts? Recommendations?
>
> I think any of them... ;^)
>
> If I wanted to go fast and light, a Roadeo.  Bring a bit o' stuff and maybe
> engage in a S24O, the Hilson or Hillborne.  Camp out for a couple of days,
> Atlantis or Hunquapillar. Enjoy freedom from shifting, the Quickbeam or
> SimpLeone.  Stay out until my facial hair makes me look like a Wookie, The
> Bombadil.
>
> Versatile darned designs, these Rivendells...
>
> - Jim
>
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[RBW] Re: Splats rock.

[Roger]

Backordered! Again!

I got my phone call a couple of weeks ago, but foolishly told Spencer
(Spencer's back! If Joe Bauder answered my next call it'd be just old
times) that I'd come by in just a few days and no need to set any
aside. Neither of us thought they could sell out a second time...

Hey, a question for those decisive people who cast their rods when
there were fish in the pond: do splats help protect from those
chilling cold winter breezes? I was riding in sub-50 degree weather
(and that's Fahrenheit!) and my tootsies got cold.


On Dec 10 2010, 10:17 am, William  wrote:
> LARGER SPLATS are back in stock!!
>
> Buy!  Buy!  Buy!
>
> On Dec 3, 7:55 pm, Roger  wrote:
>
> > Aargh, my size is backordered!
>
> > On Dec 3, 2:05 pm, Bob  wrote:
>
> > > Alex, couldn't agree more about the MUSA rain pants. My first
> > > impression of them is very favorable.  Very good value for money.
>
> > > On Dec 1, 1:47 am, amoll68  wrote:
>
> > > > Pretty cool.
>
> > > > I need to get off my butt, and order a large pair, before it's too
> > > > late.
>
> > > > I'll admit that I thought they were a joke, at first. But, c'mon, I'm
> > > > sure I wasn't the only one? Remember that first intro post - with the
> > > > mudflaps, right?
>
> > > > Also, they look kinda homely - BUT I think I really need them. In the
> > > > winter, I use gore-tex lined hiking boots on Grip Kings on my "rain
> > > > bike" - it's a great set-up.
>
> > > > However, I have Speedplay Frogs on my AHH, and I use the Pearl Izumi X-
> > > > alp touring shoes. Great shoes, but all the toe-covers on the market
> > > > seem to be for roadie shoes, and don't fit MTB style shoes very well
> > > > at all - I've been quite disappointed. I'm sure theSplatswill work
> > > > great.
>
> > > > I think Riv might do pretty well with these, and I think they should
> > > > be a long-time staple.
>
> > > > BTW, also want to mention that the MUSA rain pants "ROCK" too, and
> > > > worth every orange cent - HIGHLY RECOMMENDED!
>
> > > > Best,
>
> > > > Alex Moll
> > > > Marysville, WA (north of Seattle)

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[RBW] Re: AHH Gets A New Old Crank Set, Old Rear Derailleur - Feels Fantastic !

[Roger]

I'm about 6'3" and 94 PBH and ride with 170s. I think I only really
noticed a big difference form 175s when my knees would get sore and I
was at the top of the stroke. Then the 10mm difference (5 at top, 5 at
bottom) was a welcome difference.

On Jan 5, 8:06 pm, amoll68  wrote:
> Not too often does a 6'3" guy feel short, but it happens once in a
> while.
>
> RE crank length: for me, most of my bikes are 175s, but I've got a
> couple with 170s and I don't notice a huge difference. I mean we're
> only talking about 1/5 of an inch difference. I think I feel, and
> sorta buy the cadence concept - maybe a little easier to spin the
> 170s, and more leverage with the 175s. I guess physics and physiology
> dictate that. I'm going to try 180s on my current winter project, and
> I'm looking forward to it. It's a mid-70s road bike built up with
> vintage Campagnolo NR. I'm hoping the 180s will help in the mountains,
> when I'm grunting with the 42-28 low. 180 was the preferred length for
> Eddy (the Cannibal) Merckx in the mountain stages, so it's gotta be
> worth a try.
>
> Really cool bike - thanks for sharing.
>
> Alex Moll
> Marysville, WA

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[RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[Roger]

I've been really liking my Marathon Supreme 42-622s (measure about
37.5), but they're too big too fit inside of my fenders. Currently,
I'm using GB Cypres that measure almost 32, but I'm hoping to shoehorn
an in-between size tire in.

What do people think of Racers vs. Kojak's vs. Supremes?

The Racer and Kojak seem to fill about the same niche, except for a
wee bit of pattern. I'd probably try a Racer because there's a 40-622
(I imagine these measure about 35), where the 35-622 that come in both
the Racer and Kojak are probably about the same size as the Cypres,
only perhaps more durable. Maybe I should get Supremes in 37-622 and
be done with it, though.

Thoughts?



On Jan 7, 6:31 am, Montclair BobbyB  wrote:
> For me when it comes to tires, it's like visiting my favorite
> restaurant and always ordering the same dish... So even though I
> always vow to try something different, at the last minute I always go
> with the sure thing... Schwalbe Big Apple 2.0s... I just ordered 2 new
> sets for project bikes...(I also have the 2.35s, which for toolin'
> around on/off road they're such a blast, but have settled in on the
> 2.0s as my new faves)...
>
> But I will have to try out the Kojak 2.0s (maybe to go with my
> Kojak bike siren...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsXaoppIfow)
>
> Peace,
> BB
>
> On Jan 6, 6:08 pm, Eric Norris  wrote:
>
> > I *think* I ran kevlar bead tires at that time, but I'm fairly sure the 
> > tires were all Tour Guard.
>
> > --Eric N
>
> > On Jan 6, 2011, at 1:34 PM, Peter Pesce  wrote:
>
> > > Eric-
>
> > > In the pics, the folded tire on your rear rack is obviously kevlar
> > > bead - are the tires on the bike wire bead or kevlar? It seems from
> > > what I have found that all kevlar Paselas are TourGuard, but wire bead
> > > Paselas can be TG or non-TG. Just curious which you were riding.
>
> > > Thanks,
>
> > > Pete
>
> > > On Jan 6, 12:38 pm, Eric Norris  wrote:
> > >> Scroll down a bit and you can see my Quickbeam (with Paselas) in some 
> > >> photos taken at the check-in before the start of PBP:  
> > >> http://www.fixedgeargallery.com/articles/p-b-p/0xa12a94c.htm
>
> > >> --Eric N
>
> > >> On Jan 6, 2011, at 9:28 AM, Peter Pesce  wrote:
>
> > >>> I'm glad bictourist asked this question, because I was considering the
> > >>> exact same thing.
>
> > >>> Last thing I'd want on a century or brevet is to be fixing flats all
> > >>> time but reading about all these "magical" tires I thought I was
> > >>> riding real dogs with my Paselas, Hearing that Eric did PBP on them I
> > >>> feel much better!
>
> > >>> -Pete
>
> > >>> On Jan 6, 12:03 pm, Eric Norris  wrote:
> >  I'll also weigh in for the Paselas.  I've used them for many epic 
> >  rides, including PBP '07 (no flats in 765 miles).  I've seen the 
> >  700x32 size for sale as low as $8 (annual sale at the UC Davis Bike 
> >  Barn last year).  
>
> >  --Eric N
>
> >  On Jan 6, 2011, at 7:40 AM, bicitourist  wrote:
>
> > > Hi everyone, The time has come to get some tires for my new ride.  
> > > I've been running a loaned pair of Schwable Marathon 700x32 @ 
> > > 80-85psi from my commuter. I've been running these for a couple of 
> > > years now with no problems but I wanted something more supple. New 
> > > bike = New tires right? I know I'm giving up some puncture resistance 
> > > for comfort, but I'm sure there is a sweet spot out there!   I tried 
> > > some continental gatorskins 700x28 (but they were too skinny and made 
> > > my bike feel unstable maybe it was all those miles on the 32s?). I'm 
> > > looking for an all-round tire, but most of my miles are on pavement 
> > > (I'd say 80%). I'm also planning on my first 200K and 300K this year!
>
> > > From my research it looks like I've narrowed it down to:
>
> > > Jack Brown Blue's (I'm 6 ft 215lb so i don't think Greens will do)
> > > Pasela Wire bead
> > > GB Cypres
>
> > > Thanks in advance for the advice! --Eduardo
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[RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group

[Roger]

On Jan 8, 10:22 am, Larry Schellhase  wrote:
...
> I am truly  grateful to Grant and Rivendell for including tall frames in
> their off the shelf inventory. It is truly rare to be able to buy a frame of
> this size without getting it custom made. I believe the tall frames happened
> at Rivendell because Bhima, the frame manager in the early part of this
> century was very tall and Grant thought they should build frames that his
> frame manager could ride.

Yeah, and the large sizes are slowly contracting back to conventional
standards as time progresses - but they're still the best selection in
the business (VO told me they had no plans to make a larger frame "at
least this year" ). When I mentioned Bhima's name to Jay several
months ago, he said "sorry, I don't know who that is." I had to turn
it into a joke with "well, everything I know about Rivendell is ten
years old."

Bhima may have been the early booster of really large tires, too. I
remember talking with him, and I can't document it, but I seem to
remember Grant writing about how "Bhima just swears by those Big
Apples on his Atlantis." Did Bhima also get the first double top tube
bike? Probably not, I'd bet a custom was first, but his was the first
paratube Riv I remember seeing a photo of, anyway.

One of the most unfortunate aspects of so much of Rivendell's ad copy,
product descriptions and musings being on their website instead of in
print is how ephemeral it all is. Every now and then I go to the site
to try to re-remember something that I have a foggy memory of, and see
it's modified or gone. The S24O info, for instance, is much more
expansive in readers than what is now on the site. Much of the advice
was tied in with products - and once the products are no longer for
sale everything disappears. The cyclofiend site is the single best
online source for obsolete Riv copy that I know, and I hope that it
continues. Heck, I looked up the old Bike Pro online catalog recently,
and it's still a great resource even though it's probably been out of
business for over 10 years.

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[RBW] Re: Skewers?

[Roger]

Okay, this is heresy, but I have a hard time seeing a quick release
skewer as having any value except to racers with numb fingers at the
top of a mountain. If I lose 30 seconds every time I flat, I'll live
with that. The allen wrench I keep in my tool kit is a simpler and
lighter way to tighten a skewer than a cam, and I don't need one for
every wheel I own. For security, the allen wrench is better, and any
of the locking skewers is better yet. Lastly, quick releases have a
long handle that legend says could grab objects and cause a wreck.

I've liked the Kore/Onguard locking skewers for some time, and I don't
even know what brand the allen key skewers are. I hope these are all
still in production. PJW sells Pitlocks, which look like a system
similar to Kore/Onguard.



On Jan 8, 12:15 pm, "Bill M."  wrote:
> The VO skewers look like they might be decent.  Classic design,
> anyway, not an internal cam.
>
> On Jan 8, 10:32 am, Marty  wrote:
>
> > I need a pair of skewers for my next build - using Phil/Riv hubs.
> > Looking for a nice clean design, and no plastic. Anyone have
> > experience with Pitlock?
>
> > Marty

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[RBW] Re: Nitto Front Racks

[Roger]

I've been eyeballing low rider front racks.

For the first couple of years Rivendell sold the Nitto Campee with the
bolt on low riders, and had a simple low rider only with hoop in
development (Reader 15, page 13) but at some point decided to eschew
the low and go high. I wonder what made them see the high rider
religion?

I have a Carradice Limpet, the rackless, velcro and hop-mount bags,
but unfortunately I've just never come to love it. When I find a good
deal or trade on a rack, I  want to switch out the Limpet. I'm sure
with global economies and such $220 is the fair price for a Nitto
Campee, but that's not in the budget right now. VO says they have
something in development but can't discuss it's design or timing.

On Jan 8, 1:04 pm, omnigrid  wrote:
> I was not impressed with a VO rack I installed on a customer's bicycle. The
> welds were ugly, everything was out of alignment, the finish was not
> anywhere near that of a Nitto, and the piece that attaches to the fork crown
> was flimsy and sure to fail eventually. I'm sure it would perform just fine
> for a little while, but the build quality was just not there.
>
> You get what you pay for. "Buy once, cry once."
>
> On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Minh  wrote:
>
> > I'll second this request. Do the vo racks line up with the rvindell
> > braze ons?
>
> > And is the main diff between the nitto mini front and the marks rack
> > the way the stays attach?
>
> > On Jan 8, 2:17 pm, MikeC  wrote:
> > > Not to hijack this thread, but how do the VO's in stainless steel
> > > compare to the Nittos in cro-mo in design and quality? They seem
> > > pretty similar in photos and VOs are half to two-thirds the price.
>
> > > -Mike
>
> > > On Jan 8, 12:09 pm, Earl Grey  wrote:
>
> > > > Go with the Mini. It's a great rack, and mine has carried well over 30
> > lbs
> > > > without a problem. In fact, the superiority of the Mini is a major
> > reason to
> > > > get a cantilever bike, IMO.
>
> > > > I have no experience with the two-strut, so take my comments with a
> > grain of
> > > > salt, but despite the double struts I doubt it can carry more weight
> > than
> > > > the mini, because its attachment to the fork crown is much less secure
> > > > (bolted-on flat piece of flexible steel vs. brazed-on solid round steel
> > > > rod). That said, the two strut will fit cantis acc. to rivbike: "It
> > mounts
> > > > to any of our bikes, and most others". For the most secure attachment,
> > you'd
> > > > probably want to run a bolt through your forkcrown to attach the flat
> > metal
> > > > piece to...
>
> > > > Cheers,
>
> > > > Gernot
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[RBW] Re: Most interesting Riv Reader Articles

[Roger]

On Jan 8, 1:12 pm, George Schick  wrote:
> ...But my favorite would have to be a tie between the one about Lon Haldeman
> & RAAM and the one about Freddy Hoffman.

Haldeman's explanation of "used motor oil" on saddles comes right up
after all those years! He was misquoted, of course.

The typography story was great. Because of that article, I spent a lot
of time looking for just the perfect font when I started my business.
And, I sat though an interesting but quite dry film called Helvetica.

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[RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring

[Roger]

That's a lot to copy, but I like where the thinking leads. I think of
a nice position by visualizing a skier photoshopped onto a bicycle.
For any amount of tuck, there is an equal amount of rump behind the
feet as there is to body in front.
I don't care about the racer's position stuff.

On Jan 9, 7:41 am, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> Oh heck, since I refer to it so much, here is that section entire:
>
> The Fore-Aft Saddle Position...

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[RBW] WTT for a Nitto Campee lowrider front rack

[Roger]

Hi all,
I'm hoping someone has a Nitto Campee front rack with the detachable
low riders that they could part with, like were sold early on by Riv
and more recently by a few shops like Ben's and Box Dog. If the
elusive Campee didn't materialize, I'd also be open to discuss other
lowrider front racks.

I have several things in trade that may be of interest, and a cash
infusion could be used to even out a trade as well. For consideration,
I have:

- Nitto Rear Rack - the earlier style without the perhaps unnecessary
triangulating gussets
- Nitto Campee rear rack with the detachable low riders
- Mark's Rack - this could come with or without a Wald Basket
- Wald quicky-disconnect handlebar basket - Riv sold these a few years
ago. They are humbler than the Nitto racks.
- Carradice Camper - the green Riv-only version from around 1998 or
so.
- Carradice Limpet integrated front pannier/rack system - especially
made for frames that don't easily take a rack

All have light to medium use. If there is any interest, it would give
me the impetus to finally get some images into my Flickr account.

Thanks,
Roger

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[RBW] WTT for a Nitto Campee lowrider front rack

[Roger]

Hi all,
I'm hoping someone has a Nitto Campee front rack with the detachable
low riders that they could part with, like were sold early on by Riv
and more recently by a few shops like Ben's and Box Dog. If the
elusive Campee didn't materialize, I'd also be open to discuss other
lowrider front racks.

I have several things in trade that may be of interest, and a cash
infusion could be used to even out a trade as well. For consideration,
I have:

- Nitto Rear Rack - the earlier style without the perhaps unnecessary
triangulating gussets
- Nitto Campee rear rack with the detachable low riders
- Mark's Rack - this could come with or without a Wald Basket
- Wald quicky-disconnect handlebar basket - Riv sold these a few years
ago. They are humbler than the Nitto racks.
- Carradice Camper - the green Riv-only version from around 1998 or
so.
- Carradice Limpet integrated front pannier/rack system - especially
made for frames that don't easily take a rack

All have light to medium use. If there is any interest, it would give
me the impetus to finally get some images into my Flickr account.

Thanks,
Roger

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[RBW] Re: Splats Video

[Roger]

Spencer told me early February - the middle of the wet season. I'm not
procrastinating next time!

On Jan 14, 2:08 pm, JoelMatthews  wrote:
> Sure hope Riv has a big re-order in place.  I want my pair!
>
> On Jan 14, 9:20 am, cyclofiend  wrote:
>
> > Drizzly Thursday commute and a quick bit o' editing...
>
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/5353558271/
>
> > Enjoy & Ride Safe!
>
> > - Jim

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[RBW] Re: WTT for a Nitto Campee lowrider front rack

[Roger]

I looked through old Riv Readers and catalogs and found what I think
you're talking about on RR #8 page 24. It reminds me of the Rene Herse
front rack in the latest Bicycle Quarterly. I'm glad you shared your
thoughts on it, because while it sounds very cool, it wouldn't suit my
needs. Good advice! Thanks Angus.

What I didn't find is the line drawing my mind pictures so clearly of
a Riv add of the Campee with lowriders like I had meant. Maybe I just
have a faulty memory...

Anyway, you're right, the current design that several shops sell is
the one I had in mind, and really want.
A couple of people inquired off list about buying the rear racks, but
I'm really hoping someone will come forward with a front lowrider. I'm
holding off on selling the rear racks, but the Mark's rack, Wald or
the Carradice Camper could go to good homes. The Limpet can go once a
lowrider happens - it's perfectly functional in the meantime, but
ultimately not to my taste.

Since the Nitto lowrider hasn't materialized so far, I'd also be happy
to talk about other brands of front lowrider (Tubus, Jandd, Gordon,
etc). Preferably a trade, but for sale is open for discussion, too.

Roger

On Jan 15, 5:29 am, Angus  wrote:
> Roger,
>
> The current Nitto Campee front rack with removable low riders is a
> different design than the Nitto front rack with removable low riders I
> got from Rivendell a long time ago.
>
> On mine it was basically a small front rack, the vertical side parts
> that connected to the fork end eyelets were removable and the low
> riders were removable.  I added two small tabs to make it fit the
> front fork of my All-Rounder (rack didn't align with the fork end
> eyelets).
>
> I found the rack that I have to be quite flexible with a front load,
> the current Front Campee looks much better.
>
> Angus
>
> On Jan 14, 12:07 pm, Roger  wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> > I'm hoping someone has a Nitto Campee front rack with the detachable
> > low riders that they could part with, like were sold early on by Riv
> > and more recently by a few shops like Ben's and Box Dog. If the
> > elusive Campee didn't materialize, I'd also be open to discuss other
> > lowrider front racks.
>
> > I have several things in trade that may be of interest, and a cash
> > infusion could be used to even out a trade as well. For consideration,
> > I have:
>
> > - Nitto Rear Rack - the earlier style without the perhaps unnecessary
> > triangulating gussets
> > - Nitto Campee rear rack with the detachable low riders
> > - Mark's Rack - this could come with or without a Wald Basket
> > - Wald quicky-disconnect handlebar basket - Riv sold these a few years
> > ago. They are humbler than the Nitto racks.
> > - Carradice Camper - the green Riv-only version from around 1998 or
> > so.
> > - Carradice Limpet integrated front pannier/rack system - especially
> > made for frames that don't easily take a rack
>
> > All have light to medium use. If there is any interest, it would give
> > me the impetus to finally get some images into my Flickr account.
>
> > Thanks,
> > Roger

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil frame on ebay $0.01 1hr!

[Roger]

I don't understand.

It's not a Bombadil, but a "very old Vintage Frame bicycle cycle bike
Haro Road" in Greece that has almost no description and a $180
shipping charge.

On Jan 18, 10:01 pm, Joe Bunik  wrote:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110635217630
> ;-)

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil frame on ebay $0.01 1hr!

[Roger]

Oh...
I got Rick-Rolled, ROB style.
I'll be ready next time. ;^}

On Jan 18, 11:17 pm, Joe Bunik  wrote:
> Just kidding, apologies if I mislead anyone here. With all the talk of
> double top-tubes, you know...
>
> =- Joe
>
> On 1/18/11, Roger  wrote:
>
>
>
> > I don't understand.
>
> > It's not a Bombadil, but a "very old Vintage Frame bicycle cycle bike
> > Haro Road" in Greece that has almost no description and a $180
> > shipping charge.
>
> > On Jan 18, 10:01 pm, Joe Bunik  wrote:
> >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110635217630
> >> ;-)
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[RBW] Re: 26 inch light?

[Roger]

I still lament the late great Avocet Fasgrips.
Is the Kojak the closest thing now available in 700x35?

I have Marathon Supremes in 700x42 and like them very well (except
they don't fit with my fenders). I imagine the Marathon Racer line is
just a bit more supple, lighter and a bit less durable.



On Jan 27, 9:03 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:
> I have about 1600 miles on the Kojaks in a variety of non-winter conditions,
> including hundreds of miles of gravel, and have not had any issues with
> traction. Most of the "tread" on non-knobby tires is cosmetic anyway...lots
> of people share these concerns about slick tires, so tire manufacturers add
> texture.

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[RBW] Re: Chilly Hilly?

[Roger]

My knees ache a little bit at the memory of it.
Keep those knees warm!

On Feb 3, 10:19 am, Rob Harrison  wrote:
> I just registered. Last time I did it was 20 years ago--should be a good 
> challenge for me. See you all at the ferry!
>
> Rob in Seattle

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[RBW] Re: VO/Rivendell Cross Blog Post

[Roger]

I remember a friend telling me "you go in there and it looks like a
bike museum - and you wonder what's for sale and what's an exhibit."

On Feb 3, 7:34 pm, William  wrote:
> I vividly remember my first visit to Jitensha Studio in my freshman
> year a Cal in 1987.  I'd never seen a shop like that, and I can't say
> I've ever seen another like it.
>
> On Feb 3, 6:55 pm, benzzoy  wrote:
>
> > On Feb 3, 1:08 pm, JoelMatthews  wrote:
>
> > > Jitensha should not be included in a list of me too Riv companies.
>
> > > Jitensha has been around for quite some time, possibly longer than
> > > Riv, though I am not certain on that.
>
> > Jitensha is actually pre-Rivendell, so if anything, Rivendell is a "Me
> > too Jitensha". :)
>
> > Grant wrote somewhere that he used to hang out at Jitensha, and that
> > was where he knew "Pineapple Bob" of the Bridgestone catalog fame.
>
> > -B

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[RBW] Re: Blog post about tubing for AHH

[Roger]

In the early days, GP wrote copiously in readers and catalogs about
the tubing specs: thickness, butt lengths, belly dent resistance,
external butting, etc. - and all with their dimensions given, not just
the "a bit more here and there." He wrote like he was talking with
adults, and I liked the challenge of learning the meaning of concepts,
names and numbers that at first were way over my head.

I think the issue with stating the manufacturer and property of
materials is the implied accusation he senses that a lower number is
less good or a less famous name is less good. We're not privy to the
original note that sparked it off, but I enjoyed reading about GP's
thought processes in spec'ing tubes in today's internet post as much
as I did in print way back when. The reason to not use a hardened seat
tube was worth the admission on its own.

Roger

On Feb 10, 7:24 am, Eric Norris  wrote:
> Richard Sachs hasn't used tubing decals for more than 20 years. I don't know 
> what kind of tubing he used for my frame--it just works, and marvelously so.
>
> —Eric Nwww.campyonly.com
>
> On Feb 10, 2011, at 6:11 AM, newenglandbike  wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
>
> > There's a new blog post on the Rivendell site, about the tubing used
> > on the AHH frames.   It is advertised as dry reading-   but personally
> > I found it very interesting, maybe b/c like many here, I am a total
> > bike nut.     I think it's great that Grant decided to post it, even
> > though he is wont to omit such details, being that he feels the brand
> > of tubing used to build a frame is mostly unimportant.
>
> > But I just wanted to play devil's advocate here, WRT the main point of
> > the post:
>
> > I think Grant's analogy to the guy (who's getting a new wing added to
> > his house) asking about the kind of wood a building contractor uses is
> > flawed, because if a guy is paying really good money to a really well-
> > respected home-building contractor, he's probably absolutely concerned
> > about the kind of wood being used.   I wouldn't know because I've
> > never had a wing added to a house, but if I were going to, and I were
> > going to hire the best contractor I could, I'd doubtless want to know
> > what kind of lumber or other materials the builder planned to use,
> > because I know that not all lumber is equal.    Tools, maybe not... I
> > probably woudn't care about the tools the builder uses-   but that is
> > definitely not the same as materials.  I don't have to live with the
> > tools the contractor uses, only he does.  I would just have to live
> > with the finished product.
>
> > That being said I am aware that, among quality bicycle tube
> > manufacturers, there is negligible difference in quality, and
> > honestly, I don't really care too much about whether it's Tange, True
> > Temper or Reynolds.    However, if they were all the same, why would
> > the respective manufacturers bother to brand their tubes at all?    Of
> > course they want to be proud of the quality of their tubes vs. the
> > other guy's, and they want their tubes to be in demand.   So, the
> > question is, who do the tubing companies need to advertise to-   the
> > builder, or the rider?    I'm going to go out on a limb here, and say
> > that the rider of the bicycle, who may spend decades or a lifetime
> > with a bicycle, is probably in a better position to worry about the
> > quality of the tubes than the builder.   The builder may braze the
> > tubes together and certainly would be concerned about how easy the
> > tubes are to work with, but ultimately the builder is done with the
> > tubes as soon as the bike is out the door.    The rider, on the other
> > hand, gets to spend potentially quite a long time with a bike,
> > recocheting over frost-heaves, being ambushed by stealth potholes on a
> > rainy night, locking it to crowded bike racks, etc.
>
> > If Grant's philosophy is taken to the extreme, then maybe most bicycle
> > makers should leave off decals from their bikes too?   I mean, among
> > established, well-respected sellers of bicycle frames, there's
> > negligible difference in bicycle quality right?    In fact, you could
> > say the same about frame geometry too-  it's not important, because
> > within a certain range of numbers, most well made bicycles are going
> > to ride well enough.   OK I'm definitlely going way overboard here,
> > but only to try to make a point.
>
> > Anyway, stepping away from the topic of tubing brands, and moving to
> > tubing specs:
>
> > If I&#

[RBW] Re: Blog post about tubing for AHH

[Roger]

Here's the tubing decal I want:
http://tinyurl.com/4lngmke

On Feb 10, 5:20 pm, "Oliver S."  wrote:
> Grant's post was timely as I've been obsessing over decals/tubing
> details when searching for old bikes on craigslist to restore. I did
> learn a few things about tubing, but need to cool the label search
> down and focus on clearances, fit, construction quality, and the other
> important factors Grant mentions.  Won't ignore tubing, but won't let
> it be what prevents me from getting my brother-in-law a particular
> frame, for example.
>
> Oliver

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[RBW] Re: vests and what not

[Roger]

Very cute!

I live in a very wooly-centric home - in fact, the Mrs. is at Stitches
West right at this moment selling the yarn and fiber knitters use to
make garments like this.

What with the recent discussion of the supposedly uber-scratchy
Cheviot discussion, her website primer on some common fibers may be of
interest to some:
http://www.tactilefiberarts.com/articles

Roger

On Feb 18, 3:00 pm, MichaelH  wrote:
> She probably thinks it was a lot of work for something the kid will
> outgrow in a few months, but consider this.  Last Oct, my grandson
> came home from the hospital in the same handmade sweater his mother
> and uncle came home in 35+ years ago.  When they are outgrown she can
> lend them out and keep them in the grandparent hope chest.
>
> Congratulations and kudos to the knitter.
> michael
>
> On Feb 18, 5:09 pm, Seth Vidal  wrote:
>
> > On the subject of vests and sweaters:
>
> > My significant other just finished knitting vests for a friend of ours
> > who recently had twins.
>
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/ejchang/5456485549
>
> > She based the vests on the wooly warm vest, but scaled down, a lot.
>
> > I think she did a nice job and wanted to show them off.
>
> > -sv

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[RBW] Re: Just Got Our English Riding Jackets

[Roger]

Liesl,
Congratulations on your wedding!

Has Warhorse has been delivered to you? Eager to see some photos!


On Friday, December 6, 2013 9:46:48 AM UTC-8, Liesl wrote:
>
> ...yes, there will be pictures of Riv Chica Warrior on her Proto-palloosa 
> custom with English Riding Jacket and hatchet...
>

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[RBW] Yet _even more_ travel coffee questions!

[Roger]

As a continuation of this last winter/spring's thread "Yet more travel 
*coffee* questions! 
",
 
it seems the Helix Coffee Dripper 
 sold by 
Ocean Air and others is coming onto the scene. Do any of us here have much 
experience with it that they could share?

For myself, I don't put paper or plastic into the path of my hot coffee, so 
it would take a metal travel filter to make this filter holder happen, but 
maybe that's available ... or tinker-able (!) Still, except for the paper, 
I'm very intrigued by this elegant solution.

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[RBW] WTB: Panniers

[Roger]

I'm looking for a nice set of panniers that I'd use with Nitto lowriders. 
My first thought is for waxed canvas, and along the lines of Swift or 
Carsick. There seem to be a great many good bag makers these days.

I'll mostly use these just for camping, along with a Hoss saddlebag and a 
medium ShopSack, so they needn't push the upper edge on capaciousness nor 
push the limit on technical features.

The pannier shown in this 
photoas
 a reference is a home project bag that measures about 12 x 14 x 8 when 
fully stuffed as shown.

Anyone have bags that need a new home?




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[RBW] Re: Garage sale grabs?

[Roger]

There were a few beautiful complete bikes: a Betty Foy, robin's egg blue 
with red fills, and the recent proto-Hunqa. Both may have found forever 
homes today.

I got a single Sprint shifter and used Phil bottom bracket. Just yesterday 
I was about to mail order a different shifter and bracket, but these even 
more perfectly suited my needs for a bike I'm repurposing for utility 
riding.

I also got what I believe was a Baggins handlebar bag from about 10 years 
ago which was designed to work with the handlebar bracket I've had waiting 
for about...10 years...for a bag. I'd bought just the bracket and meant to 
make a bag; another project that didn't ever come to fruition. 

I've always wanted a Huret Jubilee shifter, as it's said to have a very 
good movement, but moreso because it may be the most beautiful shifter I've 
seen. Got one, but don't have an immediate use for it, though.

I didn't buy the can of black beans, but did get some tubes, t shirts, a 
wooly sweater, and a blow up pillow. 

Good times.

On Saturday, June 7, 2014 1:02:44 PM UTC-7, sameness wrote:
>
> That attic haunts me in my dreams.
>
> "A Legolas in pewter? 59.7 by 58.6, you say? Looks like the only one we've 
> got is a second since it accidentally came with clearance for 50s. Does 
> $250 sound right? I'll grab us some coffee while you decide."
>
> I awake, fists clenching the sweat-drenched sheets.
>
> Jeff Hagedorn
> Los Angeles, CA USA
>

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Re: [RBW] RBW 20th Anniversary Gathering and Entmoot -- SF Bay edition

[Roger]

Hey, I like that patch!

I would want to participate Friday afternoon through Saturday. I'm not sure how 
campsites are shaping up. Is everything already spoken for at China Camp? 

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[RBW] Marin Camping on Entmoot's Eve (Friday Night)

[Roger]

 

Twas the Night Before Entmoot - or - Howdy Friday Night Campers! 

I’m looking to ride up into Marin from San Francisco in the early afternoon 
of July 11. 

The main China Camp reservation starts on Saturday (thanks Jim!), but I’d 
like to camp on Friday Night with others of us attending the Riv Jamboree. 
I don’t have a site yet (and they’re scarce) so I’d like to either join up 
with any of us who already have a site in the area, or to quickly secure a 
site for any of us not yet set. In a quick look, it seems Tomales Bay has 
sites, but they’re less easy to find in Southern Marin or Angel’s Camp 
itself. 

Anyone who either already has or needs a campsite for Friday night – let’s 
talk about it.

Roger

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Re: [RBW] Marin Camping on Entmoot's Eve (Friday Night)

[Roger]

Thanks Lee
I've biked into Taylor several times and found once they cut it off (at 7 I 
believe). Two people were escorted away, but I never knew if they were tucked 
in somewhere else or if they were turned away. All the riders I've talked with 
believe Taylor never turns away a cyclist, so maybe they were given another 
spot.

With your advice, I'll definitely try China Camp.
Still, if any other Friday arrivers are feeling sociable, let's talk about 
meeting up.

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[RBW] Re: Overheard at a bike shop

[Roger]

It's the Shoprat Wishlist. 
The salesman pressures the customer into what he himself wishes he could 
afford - barely used and at second hand prices - and voila! at some point 
down the road, gear is showing up back at the shop or on Craigslist for his 
ilk to get on the cheap. 

On Thursday, June 26, 2014 9:37:26 AM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> I am reminded of hanging out at a LBS one Sunday afternoon and watching a 
> young sales person try to sell a full suspension mountain bike to a middle 
> age women  buying her first bike and wanting something for bike paths and 
> Vt's many dirt roads!  I had to bite my tongue.
>
> Michael
>
> On Thursday, June 26, 2014 11:49:53 AM UTC-4, Anne Paulson wrote:
>>
>> On my recent Sierra to the Sea tour, I stopped off at a bike shop that 
>> catered to the more racey crowd. It appeared to sell only carbon fiber 
>> bikes. And I think maybe the employees were not always keeping their 
>> customer's actual needs in mind.
>>
>> As I was waiting for a riding companion to get his issue dealt with, I 
>> listened to a young, fit employee who was apparently selling one of those 
>> carbon bikes to an older guy, maybe in his 50s. The customer was a tall 
>> fellow with a substantial beer keg of a belly, and judging by the 
>> conversation he was a new rider.
>>
>> The employee was earnestly telling him that he really needed to use 
>> padded bike shorts, and they had to be tight. The employee further 
>> explained that the only bike shorts that were truly appropriate were bib 
>> shorts, and the bib shorts should be so tight that it would be 
>> uncomfortable to stand upright in them, but that would be all right because 
>> with the low handlebars and the low riding position, the bibs would work. 
>> The bike shop guy's attitude about the bibs was about the same as my and 
>> your attitude about, say, carrying a patch kit when riding: they were 
>> utterly necessary.
>>
>> It was unclear to me how the rider would be able to ride those low 
>> handlebars, given his round belly.
>>
>> I didn't say a word. 
>>
>> -- 
>> -- Anne Paulson
>>
>> It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Jamboree and Entmoot shirts and patches

[Roger]

Was the boat inspired by the wrecked ship 

 
up in Tomales Bay?

>

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[RBW] Re: Jamboree roll call !!!

[Roger]

I had been planning to camp at China Camp tonight. Anyone else?
I may switch over to the Friday Mt Diablo camp out if no one else is headed to 
CC today.

Who's up for China Camp Friday night?

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[RBW] Re: Jamboree roll call !!!

[Roger]

Yeah, I'm on my way to Riv now for the Mt Diablo overnight.

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[RBW] Entmoot Motivated Change

[Roger]

Yes... A chair.
I liked the looks of the A Lite products.

Also, this group seems to like its beer pretty well. I think in future I would 
bring growlers of homebrew  in 2 liter bottles to save on portaging all those 
bottles.

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[RBW] Re: Entmoot Motivated Change

[Roger]

On Monday, July 21, 2014 10:35:10 AM UTC-7, Pondero wrote:
>
> Thanks, everyone.  When I posed my question, I definitely didn't expect so 
> much chair input.  I commonly bring a small piece of cloth that I roll up 
> and strap to my saddlebag, affectionately referred to as my "lollygagging 
> mat".  It provides just a little cushion and a clean spot to enjoy my 
> frequent coffee outside outings.  If I could get a chair to "roll up" to 
> the same size and no heavier, maybe I upgrade.  The hammock has been my 
> S24O game changer, and I saw several in the photos. 
>

The thing about a bunch of people gathering is that, sure, there may be one 
or two nice spots on a log or rock. But once 2 or 3 people have the 
comfortable, naturally occuring, spots in use if you want to join them you 
either stand until you get tired of standing there, or sit somewhere 
uncomfortable. A hammock seems to be just as troublesome for 5 or 10 people 
to all find a comfortable nearby spot.

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Re: [RBW] best fenders for Rambouillet? WTB question

[Roger]

Those PDW clips look great.
Does anyone know if they are compatible with VO and/or Honjo?

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Re: [RBW] best fenders for Rambouillet? WTB question

[Roger]

On Friday, July 25, 2014 6:16:16 PM UTC-7, Andrew Marchant-Shapiro wrote:
>
> Installed the PDW safety clips tonight.  They were a perfect fit on the VO 
> stays and adjustment was a piece of cake.
>

Thanks Andrew! That's really helpful to know.

 For the last few years I've been conflicted between that nagging 
Riv-fueled suspicion that any fenders without the SKS safety tab were less 
than optimally safe, yet every SKS fender I've had I've disliked enough to 
remove every time I thought there wouldn't be rain for awhile. The metal VO 
fenders I have on two bikes have become permanent parts on them - and I 
look forward to adding these clips to the VO fenders for peace of mind.

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Re: [RBW] best fenders for Rambouillet? WTB question

[Roger]

Great to hear Andrew!

I prefer VO fenders to SKS and look forward to these clips, for peace of mind 
if nothing else.

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[RBW] Re: Refined S240 setup!

[Roger]

On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 8:35:07 PM UTC-7, DS wrote:
>
> ...anyone for a mt diablo juniper  or pt. reyes run in September...
>

Sounds great to me, DS.
Let's make some plans. 

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[RBW] Re: Entmoot and Mason Hill Kettles

[Roger]

I use a GSI 1 qt tea kettle that I like really well. I prefer their 
"glacier" stainless steel line to the various forms of coated or uncoated 
aluminum in other lines.
Here it is  in use 
with a Klikstand / Trangia stove.

On Saturday, August 2, 2014 4:31:34 PM UTC-7, stonehog wrote:
>
> I saw a few kettles used with Trangia stoves on the Entmoot, and I'm 
> curious what folks are enthralled with?  I don't mind the plain old bowl, 
> but pouring hot water in an aero press from a kettle is nicer...
>
> Brian Hanson
> Seattle, WA
>  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Refined S240 setup!

[Roger]

I've bike camped at Taylor several times and have always been told by other 
cyclists that no cyclist is turned away. 
One time, the biker paddock was filled when another group of cyclists 
showed up. The rangers led them away, but I don't really know if it was to 
another site or out of the park. I've always chosen to think positive, and 
that they were tucked in somewhere.

On Sunday, August 3, 2014 3:23:12 PM UTC-7, DS wrote:
>
> Thinking Samuel Taylor on Sept 20th or 27th for one night out for anyone 
> interested in joining (Dan, Roger, anyone else). Those that have been there 
> can chime in if I'm wrong, but sounds like the hiker/biker site is first 
> come? If so can I be safe in assuming a spot if showing up mid-afternoon on 
> a Saturday? Or safer to reserve one of the legit spots that are reservable? 
> Will likely pedal up after lunch with goal of turning around and back by 
> lunch time the next day.
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Chris Chen 
> > wrote:
>
>> Hahaha does this count as ultralight? 
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/14617468440/
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Chris Chen > > wrote:
>>
>>> DO IT
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 12:30 PM, William! >> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wow, now you are temping me to S240 the Roadeo.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 8:35:07 PM UTC-7, DS wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Entmoot inspired! I now can fit my tent (big agnes seedhouse 2), 
>>>>> sleeping bag (new JRB shenandoah), sleeping pad (neoair xlite), jetboil, 
>>>>> clothes, and air pillow in my medium sackville saddlebag at 12.5 lbs. 
>>>>> plus 
>>>>> bike tools. Super excited. Leaves my front basket with a shopsack for 
>>>>> food, 
>>>>> toiletries, scenty things, whiskey, and other random items. ready to 
>>>>> roll! 
>>>>> now I just need to find a free weekend between now and 2030. anyone for a 
>>>>> mt diablo juniper  or pt. reyes run in September (I know, its a long ways 
>>>>> away, but I have 3 out of town trips in august! Still new to the bike 
>>>>> camping with my new Hunqapillar and gear, but not camping camping.
>>>>>
>>>>> also, anyone else just stuff their tent in the stuff sack? or is the 
>>>>> proper way to roll it and minimize creases? both short and long term 
>>>>> storage? I realize there's a million camping sites to ask this, but I 
>>>>> tend 
>>>>> to hang out here more.
>>>>>
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>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Refined S240 setup!

[Roger]

I've bike camped at Taylor several times and have always been told by other 
cyclists that no cyclist is turned away. 
One time, the biker paddock was filled when another group of cyclists 
showed up. The rangers led them away, but I don't really know if it was to 
another site or out of the park. I've always chosen to think positive, and 
that they were tucked in somewhere.

On Sunday, August 3, 2014 3:23:12 PM UTC-7, DS wrote:
>
> ...sounds like the hiker/biker site is first come? If so can I be safe in 
> assuming a spot if showing up mid-afternoon on a Saturday? ...
>

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[RBW] Do you ride your drop bars above, at, or below saddle height on your Rivbikes?

[Roger]

I like to discover my dropbar height by shifting it over time until I find I'm 
using the drops about 1/3 of the time when just riding along. 

Turns out that puts the tops a few cams above the saddle.

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[RBW] Re: I ordered a Sam!

[Roger]

On Thursday, August 7, 2014 11:27:12 AM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
> ...don't forget to document your box art...
> - Jim
>

One trade off to the joy of being able to visit RWHQ often is that I never 
get packages with box art.
My Hillborne was handed to me seconds after having its head badge affixed, 
with best wishes by Mark, which felt quite good, though. 

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[RBW] Re: S/O for the 64cm Rambouillet?

[Roger]

Here's a chart that may be helpful:
http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/geometry.html

Out of curiosity, are you eyeing them at a bike shop that has both a
62 and 64 in stock?

On Dec 16, 11:00 am, Kieran J  wrote:
> Any 64cm Ram owners out there? I'm curious to know the standover
> height for one of these, ideally with 28mm tires.
> I'm eyeing out the sizing difference between the 62 and 64, and I
> understand the BB drop is a little more than average on Riv bikes.
> Any guidance would be appreciated, thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Stolen Bleriot.

[Roger]

Oh man, I just saw this thread. Terrible.

I think Manny's Bleriot, in the many ride and camping threads in which
it starred, gave me more vicarious enjoyment than any other bike. Like
all of us, I'll miss it.

I once recovered a stolen bike by seeing it parked in front of a store
(probably an unwitting purchaser), I hope the same good luck for you.

On Dec 14, 6:22 am, Minh  wrote:
> Manny,
>
> Wow, these stories always scare the heck out of me.  It reminds me
> that things are different here then other countries.  I was in Europe
> last month and most folks do the lock-bike-to-itself (if they lock at
> all), and no-one gives it a second glance.  the fact that someone took
> out your groceries and presumably carried the bike off while in front
> of a busy target is just messed up.
>
> great positive outlook, in the end it's just a bike, and most of us on
> the list are fortunate enough that we can absorb a hit like this both
> financially and spiritually, thanks for putting things in perspective.
>
> On Dec 13, 9:50 pm, Geoff  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > HeyManny,
>
> > As I've already mentioned on the Facebook group, I'm really sorry to hear
> > about what happened to yourBleriot.
> > I hope your bike will be recovered and the lousy opportunist thief gets his
> > well deserved karma.
>
> > I was wondering.  Does that Target have security cameras covering the front
> > of their store?  If so, they may have caught something on tape that might
> > be helpful.
>
> > I wish you luck, and commend you on your positive outlook on this shameful
> > event.
>
> > Take care.

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[RBW] Re: Kudos for New Riv wool bike jersey -

[Roger]

Sounds like they're great.
Are these on their site now? I looked but didn't seem to find them.

On Dec 20, 9:14 pm, Joan Oppel  wrote:
> I had to share my thoughts on this since I like it so much.  I saw Grant's 
> post about getting these in and that they'd be the last from this New Zealand 
> supplier.  So here's the report:  this is a great wool jersey/shirt.  
> Lightweight (I'd guess something like 18 grams based on what I know about my 
> other wool tops) and very well made, beautifully made.  It's $60 - half what 
> same-quality tops cost from other companies.  And, it has 3 pockets in the 
> back.  They're unobtrusive, so if you don't want to use them, I don't think 
> you'll notice they're there.  I personally like having them.
>
>
>
> I got another bottle of Kookaburra wash along with the shirt - that stuff is 
> the best wool wash I've ever used.
>
> Joan

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[RBW] Re: Upgrading my Trek 520?

[Roger]

I saw a 2008 Trek Catalog that shows geometries on the next to last
page. The 62cm Hunqa (largest size) is indeed a larger bike than a 25"
Trek, but the 64cm Bombadil is more similar in size to your 67cm Homer
and especially closer to the 69cm Homer you considered.
http://www.trekbikes.com/pdf/2008/catalog/road/road_en.pdf

By the way, beautiful color on the Homer! What's that shade called? I
notice in your photos that you have racks front and back now on your
Homer. Have you ever tried it fully loaded? I'd be curious how well it
would compare to the 520.

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[RBW] Re: Touring Load and Packing list with weights

[Roger]

I like a French Press, and figured a way to make a 16oz Contigo insulated
stainless mug and a French Press plunger do double duty for drinking and
coffee making. The Contigo fits water-bottle cages and is easy to use while
riding. 

I re-purposed a plunger from a plastic Peets travel French Press that fits
nicely into the Contigo, and is just the right length to hold the grounds
tight when I put the lid on the mug. I don't let it bother me that the
grounds are pressed to the bottom of the mug while I'm drinking, and
sometimes there is a ground or two that gets loose. 

For the cost of a few grams of plunger, a uni-tasking coffee pot is avoided,
and I can store the plunger in the travel mug until needed again.

Pictures prove it's real:
http://tinyurl.com/7lcvk45

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[RBW] Re: Every Day Carry - Here's Mine, What's Yours?

[Roger]

I'm surprised by the similarities of my kit with Amit's:

In my old Candy Bar Bag:

Pump
Hanky/Tool Roll with:
- Spoke Wrench
- Multi tool
- Tire tools
- Leatherman Micra
- Patch kit with Presta/Schrader adaptors & 4mm, 5mm and 3/16" Allen
Wrenches
Coin Purse
Key Chain with locking hub key
Tissues with
- mini tube of sun-block
- lip balm
4.5x5.5 Notepad (homemade)
Wallet with:
- Kaweco fountain pen w/Noodler's Blue Heron ink
- Sodbuster Jr. pocket knife
iPhone
Spare Innertube (not shown)

Image at:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/56856126@N02/6767278655/in/photostream

Each time I empty out the bag I try to remove unused items. These are
the ones that justify themselves over time. Maybe the Micra can go...

The wallet was from Etsy and meant to hold a phone, but I like it's
pocket for a pen and knife. I've found it's important to carry a
friendly looking knife so people assume you want to pare an apple or
open a box, not brandish a weapon. That Sodbuster is a great little
knife: it's one blade is sturdy, it fits my hand well, and it has even
become my favorite paring knife in the house. Kaweco pens are great
little pens as well.

Amit Singh wrote:
> I'm reposting this with hopes of greater response because it's a cool
> and interesting topic.
>
> This subject of 'every day carry' is one of which I've been slightly
> obsessed.
>
> Here is a link to an image of my EDC, and a list:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/amisingh/6760998841/
>
> - Bandana (serves as handkerchief)
> - Opinel No. 6 knife
> - Lip Ivo
> - iPhone 4 carried in Col. Littleton No. 50 Phone Wallet
> - Keys carried on ML Brown Braided Keychain
> - Shure E4 Earbuds
> - Lamy Fountain Pen
> - Moleskin Notebook (set up as GSD)
> - Swatch GB743
> - Canon S100 Camera
> - Surefire G2x Tactical Flashlight
>
> I like how all this stuff is compact so it fits well inside of a small
> trunk sack.  When I'm not on the bike it's generally carried in a
> pocket on my briefcase, and when that doesn't happen I can carry it
> all on my person in various pockets, although I'm tempted to start
> carrying a man-bag or a "m-urse".
>
> This is a 'heavy load', but it's everything which I need to flip
> between work and adventure.  Works for me.
>
> I'd be interested in seeing your EDC's.
>
> http://everyday-carry.com/ is a neat website that shows lots of
> carries.  There are a few others which are similar.

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[RBW] Re: Jack Taylor photos - build assist (and many parts) from RBW

[Roger]

That headtube photo is beautiful and poignant. Far better than
perfect.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/6818456461/in/set-72157629173650165/

On Feb 4, 12:17 pm, David Blessing  wrote:
> Thanks for the pictures. The shifters are beyond cool.
> Not riding today.  12 to 14 inches of snow in Nebraska.  Scooping my way to 
> the highway.  david
>
> On Feb 4, 2012, at 1:54 PM, reynoldslugs wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Michael Lawrence helped me get this frame in about '99.  After email
> > correspondence, we spoke on the phone; he was very pleasant to deal
> > with.  These were the last frames done by Jack and Norman, and were
> > apparently hanging in Michael's attic or barn or ?.  He said, over the
> > phone, that the blue bike showed "Norman's wavery hand" in the lug
> > lining, so that's the one I chose.
>
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/6818454705/in/set-721576291...
>
> > I was just getting back into cycling again, after a 15 year hiatus.
> > Thanks to Rivendell, I was excited again about bikes, and GP helped me
> > choose some new parts (lugged stem, brooks saddle, Rolly-Polly's) to
> > go with a mix of new and NOS parts. For example, the Campagnolo Hi-Lo
> > hubset found a mate in a set of new Campagnolo Montreal rims.
>
> > Hope you like the pics from my dinky Olympus cycling camera.
>
> > Anyway, it's a great bike, a lovely rider, with plenty of memories.
> > Getting it ready for tomorrow's Super Bowl ride up Pine Flat road.
>
> > Max
> > Sonoma County CA
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[RBW] Re: Atlantis vs. Sam

[Roger]

> To people I do know -I've found that making anyone feel good about the
> good things about their bike is an excellent way to get them to ride
> it more often.

Question: So, what's the very best bike of all?
Answer: The one that makes you want to ride more!

You've found a universal and inexpensive way to improve almost any
bike.


On Feb 6, 2:42 pm, Seth Vidal  wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Smitty-A-Go-Go <54ca...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I think they didn't know what to make of Homer and as a result saw the lugs
> > + shiny bits as frivolous. I was aware going in the possibility of my bike
> > being seen as being an oddball but I didn't think it would be pointed out to
> > me.
>
> > As a correction... one of my initial sentences was half deleted... or
> > perhaps I only typed half of it before my brain jumped ahead. Anyway... it
> > should read: One guy pointed out that my bike was more a "toy" than a
> > "machine".
>
> > I've a friend who refers to me as a "Riven-dork" but it's used in a friendly
> > way. He understands + rides fat tires, racks and bags... he just thinks Rivs
> > are over priced.
>
> > I've heard of Rivsters getting guff like this but now I feel like I've been
> > initiated into the next level of Riv-ness.
>
> I've only had one person give me any grief about my bike(s). I looked
> at them with a squinty-eyed look and said
> "Seriously, you feel like you know me well enough to make disparaging
> remarks? You think that's appropriate?"
>
> To which they apologized and looked abashed.
>
> Which is good, they should have been.
>
> Someone has to be a special kind of dick to decide to say rude things
> about someone else's anything to someone they don't know.
>
> No matter what kind of bike it is - unless it is dangerous (ie: things
> falling off, clearly broken) I always say the same set of things to
> people I don't know:
>    "How does it ride?"
>    "Are you having fun?"
>
> If they answer in the negative to either of those - then I might see
> if I can help. But most people answer in the positive and/or are
> cheered on by this question and that, imo, completes my day.
>
> To people I do know -I've found that making anyone feel good about the
> good things about their bike is an excellent way to get them to ride
> it more often. That, imo, is much more important than what kind of
> bike they are riding. If someone comes to me and asks my opinion I
> will give it. But I try to give it by talking up the positive things
> about the kinds of bikes I ride and like, not by talking down other
> bikes.
>
> Call people out when they are jerks. You never know - they might
> realize they were being rude and try to be better, it does happen.
>
> -sv

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[RBW] Re: 64 Atlantis still FS

[Roger]

I'm not in the market for an Atlantis right now, but I am curious
about yours.

IIRC, shortly after the Atlantis was released there was strong
lobbying by some people who wanted top tubes shortened on Rivendells.
Again from a foggy, decade old memory, it may have been Sheldon Brown
foremost among the short tubers. I looked up the earliest Wayback
Machine captures of rivbike, and indeed on 11/1/02 there was a 62cm
top tube spec for the Atlantis in the webalog section, but slightly
earlier in the main site info (8/27/02) it was listed as the later
standard of 60cm.

Have you ever measured your top tube?
(Apologies if this was already discussed)

On Feb 16, 5:32 pm, bingomck  wrote:
> (I tried to reply to my previous post but failed. Link is 
> here:http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/browse_thread/thread/...)
>
> Hello again everyone
>
> A few offers fell through and this is still available. Admittedly,
> I've also been lazy about marketing it.
>
> I'm dropping the price to $1,650+actual shipping. There will be no
> packaging fee as it has already been boxed by a bike shop- the result
> of a previous potential buyer that didn't work out.
>
> As it's boxed neatly already, any local (SF Bay Area (Mill Valley))
> suitors will need to buy it boxed/disassembled. But I think the price
> would still be right.
>
> Year 2000 64 Atlantis frame & fork
> 8 speed cassette
> Sugino triple crank
> XT rear derailleur
> XT front derailleur
> Shimano cantilever brakes
> Shimano Ultegra bar-end shifters
> Nitto Grand Randonneur handlebars
> Nitto Stem
> American classic seatpost
> 32h Mavic MA2 double-walled rims, LX hubs and Panaracer Pasela Tour
> Guards (700x32)
> I also have a pair of new Schwalbe Big Apple 700x60s that I'll include
> for free just because this was my only ride that could even
> potentially fit them.
>
> Hope to get this to a good home soon.

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[RBW] Re: My "Grilver" AHH

[Roger]

Riv is so on a roll with colors in the last couple of years. The 
Roadeo/Hunqa grey with red or orange, the last two Hillborne's, Simpleone, 
and now this accidental choice.
I find very often that when I relax my grip a bit that serendipity will 
trickle in. And that has made all the difference.


On Saturday, March 24, 2012 2:25:27 PM UTC-7, Brian Campbell wrote:
>
> I got this frame about a year ago and built up with the following parts:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/76454470@N05/
>
> 61cm AHH
> Nitto Noodles 46cm
> Nitto Lugged Stem 100mm
> Brooks Imperial
> Nitto 65 Seat post
> Paul Racer Brakes
> Electra Tincino Crank w. VO 46/30 rings
> Honjo La Paeon fenders
> Mavic Open Pros w/ Ultegra hubs (32 spoke)
> XT rear derailer
> Campagnolo front derailer
> Acorn front & rear bags
> Marks Rack (It is actually Mark's used rack! He sold me an extra he had.)
>
> Rides great. It is a little dirty in these pics but that is not a bad 
> thing.
>
>

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[RBW] Sackville Shop Sack & Wald basket

[Roger]

I've had both the large and medium Walds on a Mark's rack. The large rack was 
too wobbly for my taste, but the combo of a medium basket with the Riv sack is 
insanely great for commuting and errands.

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Re: [RBW] Re: speaking of the blug... new Atlas rim

[Roger]

On Wednesday, April 24, 2013 5:45:07 AM UTC-7, Leslie wrote:

>
> Looks like the NoBS is also available as a 26", too.But not in 
> 650b.It says "mill finish";  is the Atlas just a polished version of 
> this rim?
>
>
I just built a wheel using a "No BS" rim I ordered from Velocity USA's 
webstore. The invoice read "No BS" but the sticker on the inner rim read 
"Atlas 36h Mill-Finish " and didn't mention "No BS" anywhere. Methinks "No 
BS":is a marketing term meant to appeal to the bike polo market. I'm glad 
to have an Atlas, instead.

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Re: [RBW] Yet _even more_ travel coffee questions!

[Roger]

I can definitely taste how paper strips the oils and bass notes out of the 
types of coffee I roast (Jjavas, Yemens, East africans, etc). Lighter bodied, 
brighter coffees may be less affected.

As for plastic, it's not rational it just gives me the heeby jeebies. Not sure 
if I taste it. It does remind me of improvised roasting with popcorn poppers 
where the plastic lid would soften, deform and ultimately form plastic 
stalactites over the roasting bans.

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Re: [RBW] Yet _even more_ travel coffee questions!

[Roger]

Wow
iPhone Autocorrect and a bouncing bus really conspired against me in that post. 
sorry...

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Re: [RBW] For sale 62cm Waterford Built Hunqapillar (revised posting)

[Roger]

Oh man, I test rode and wanted THAT bike. Even though it was a transitional 
version of the Hunqapillar of which surely very few were built, it seared 
itself into my brain as the perfection of that type of bike.
I believe it eventually sold to a customer and no doubt is making that 
person very happy.

On Sunday, December 7, 2014 7:21:32 AM UTC-8, James Warren wrote:
>
>
> Keith,
> Was Jay R.'s prototype for the larger tire clearance edition the frame 
> seen in this video or is this parallel 2TT one in the video even more 
> prototypical?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VR4KaDeAuI
>
>
> Thanks,
> Jim W.
>
>
> On Dec 7, 2014, at 6:58 AM, Keith Beato wrote:
>
> Indeed! The 62cm Hunq's TT is long as it was designed around a bullmoose, 
> albatross, or any other bar other than the noodle which is why you often 
> see them with 130 technomic stems on Riv employees Hunqs. My picture shows 
> my original setup with bullmoose which I didn't care for due to wrist pain 
> I experienced when I rode anything over 20 miles. I used to ride the shop's 
> demo 62cm Hunq (Taiwan made edition) with Grant while I was waiting for 
> mine. It had albatross bars as did Jay R.'s first Waterford edition 
> (prototype for larger tire clearance edition). I should mention mine is 
> also the larger tire clearance edition.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 7, 2014, at 6:05 AM, Deacon Patrick > 
> wrote:
>
> Rivendell's Hunqapillar page describes the 62 as working for PBH's up to 
> 100 cm. But it also says if you're in the high 6' range, to go with a 
> Bombadil (or Atlantis, I'd presume). 
> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/f-hunqapillar.htm
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Sunday, December 7, 2014 6:12:38 AM UTC-7, Geoffrey wrote:
>>
>> I wish I was, I'm in the Midwest.
>>
>> On Saturday, December 6, 2014 11:41:47 PM UTC-6, Keith B wrote:
>>>
>>> If you're local come check
>>> It out
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Dec 6, 2014, at 8:48 PM, Geoffrey  wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks for the info.  I have a PBH of 99.5cm.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 6, 2014 9:53:08 PM UTC-6, Keith B wrote:

 I'm 6'3" and have a 93cm PBH in the morning.  My Hunq's stand-over 
 height is the lowest of my 8 bikes including my 64cm Gunnar Roadie which 
 also has a sloping TT. 

 The reach on the Hunq is actually closer than my other bikes (Waterford 
 RS-22) despite the longer top tube length due to the higher bar position. 
 The reach is longer  on my 63.5cm Steve Rex, 63.5cm Map Randonneur Project 
 bike, and 64cm Gunnar Roadie plus 3 other Rivendells 

 My  other Riv'endells  all have higher SO heights with longer reaches 
 due to their specific setups. My  64cm Roadeo  (yes 64cm - its a one off 
 model I rode on PBP in 2011) has a 60cm top tube, while my 63cm Protovelo 
 has a 60.5 cm top tube, and my 65cm Hilsen has a 62cm top tube. The 
 variance in these top tube lengths is somewhat meaningless since the head 
 tube angles are different on all of the bikes mentioned.  My Roadeo has a 
 73 degree Head tube angle (same as my, Map, Rex, and Waterford which all 
 have similar TT lengths. My Gunnar has the shortest wheelbase and steepest 
 HT angle at 73.5 degrees. It has a 60cm TT length but longer reach due to 
 the saddle to bar position setup for the Oakland Port Ride.   



 On Dec 6, 2014, at 6:38 PM, Geoffrey wrote:

 Keith, do you mind me asking how tall you are?  Gorgeous bike!

 On Saturday, December 6, 2014 8:36:28 AM UTC-6, Keith B wrote:
>
> I'm revising my prior posting and price of this 62cm Waterford Built 
> Hunq. 
> I am the original owner and purchased the complete bike from Rivendell 
> in Walnut Creek. The bike is excellent condition with larger tire 
> clearance. Price is $3,333. I paid over $4,700. I live locally in the 
> East 
> Bay and prefer local sales.
> Build details:
> Frame (Waterford Built w/custom paint job); Silver Chris King Headset
> Sugino XD Triple 44/34/24, Phil wood Bottom Bracket
> Nitto Noodle Bars 48cm 26.0; Nitto Dirt Drop Stem 26.0
> Shimano Aero Levers; Tecktro Brakers Interuptors, Shimano 9 sp Dura 
> Ace Bar End Shifters
> Shimano XT rear derailleur; Shimano XT front derailleur
>
> WHEELS: 700c Rear 36 hole Phil Wood Hub 135 Synergy rim; 700c Front 36 
> hole Phil Wood Hub 
> Brakes: Front Paul Neo Retro Brake; Rear Paul Touring Canti Brake 
> w/Paul Moon Units cable guides. Schwable Marathon Dureme Tires
> Nitto S83 Seatpost 26.8
> Nitto cable hanger
>
> I will also consider selling as a Frame/Fork/Headset/Bottom Bracket 
> Combination with or without other parts. My email is klbeato at gmail. 
> Cell 
> is 510.703.1074
> Keith
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[RBW] Re: Sam"s versatility

[Roger]

Michael,
Did you ever talk with Riv about this last June 
<https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!profile/rbw-owners-bunch/APn2wQeL91z253AvHCcpWdptWkfJYPe-SX4RfiRS9dBpeM8ijsB7255PN3dLUhiVHGGQ9BXVOmcP/rbw-owners-bunch/sVhH8yUXPUE/lywVvKFNbIEJ>
 
or December 
<https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!profile/rbw-owners-bunch/APn2wQeL91z253AvHCcpWdptWkfJYPe-SX4RfiRS9dBpeM8ijsB7255PN3dLUhiVHGGQ9BXVOmcP/rbw-owners-bunch/M5IWLoRN-FY/kd3U428CCa8J>
 
when you were considering an Atlantis or Hunq?
They're all really nice people on the phone at Rivendell.

I weight 250# and have put camping loads onto my 62cm Sam and liked the way 
it rode very well. With the 38-42 size tires the Sam was optimized for 
(such as 700x45 Smart Sam 
<http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/tsmart-10135.htm> or 700x38 Conti 
Speedrides <http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/t108.htm>) the load has 
carried well for me on hardpack off road surfaces, like I imagine your 
local fire trails would mostly be.

Roger

On Sunday, January 25, 2015 at 6:25:13 AM UTC-8, michael sellers wrote:
>
> Some thoughts from the group please? I have my wife"s Riv ordered and hope 
> to place the order for mine soon. I am 6' 235 pds 35' PBH,and will use my 
> bike for quick 4 mile trips to town, 35 mile rides to family visits in the 
> next county,and (hopefully) at some point a trip across the State of Tn. 
> Very limited off road use but maybe  occasional rides on  State Park fire 
> trails. Is this asking too much long term of  a Sam? Would an Atlantis or 
> Hunq be better suited to my plans? Thanks,Mike S.
>

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[RBW] Re: Klean Kanteen Conversion Questons

[Roger]

Klean Kanteens are very versatile and durable. My wife and I use them 
daily, in several ways:

   - drinking water around the house in uninsulated bottles
   - keeping coffee hot for hours, poured fresh out of the French Press
   - holding tea for sipping slowly over an hour's time
   
In addition, I use the pair of an insulated and uninsulated for making 
coffee while on a ride or camping. I made a caldera-style stove for using 
the uninsulated as a kettle, and make the coffee, Russ Roca style, in the 
insulated bottle. 

There are a few pictures showing the setup and how everything (except the 
Trangia stove "puck") stores away in the two bottle cages here 
.

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[RBW] Camera Bag companion for ShopSack / Wald Basket

[Roger]

Recently, I've been working on my camera skills in conjunction with 
investing in new camera gear (Olympus EM10 with several native and adaped 
lenses), and have been looking for a good way to carry an outing's worth of 
equipment along in a secure fashion. 

Camera bags are great, but bag inserts are a nice way to go if you already 
have a main bag you like and just want a camera bag to fit inside. 

The Timbuk2 Snoop Insert 

 
is a nice way to go, if you already have a messenger bag. You can buy the 
same size insert as your bag to completely fill the main compartment, or 
you can get the insert that is one size down to still have some room left 
for other things.I have a Small insert in a Medium bag, and it holds most 
all of my gear.

The Shopsack / Wald basket combo is perhaps the most perfect bike 
accessory. It is the best commute and errand running setup I've used, and 
what I really wanted was an insert to work with the ShopSack.

A Camaroo insert is a nice, smaller bag insert. I have the Express Insert 
for
 
Micro Four Third / Mirrorless Camera, which snuggles nicely into a Medium 
Shopsack. I like it for on the bike. I can access my gear while straddling 
the bike and keeping anything from moving around on me. It's also really 
good for when you pull the Shopsack off the bike and carry it ... wherever 
you are headed. My bag is about 8.5 x 6 x 4 and holds the camera, up to 4 
lenses, and various things. It takes up less than half of the zippable 
capacity of the Medium Shopsack, leaving space for your tools, personables 
and sweater.

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[RBW] Re: Klean Kanteen Conversion Questons

[Roger]

Yep. It's got a Youtube (click here) 
 and everything:


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>
> Russ Roca style?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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Re: [RBW] Re: New White Industries ring design!

[Roger]

On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 3:56:58 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> ... You can't run 
> wide/narrow rings with multiple chainrings because if you shifted from one 
> to the other and didn't hit the right kind of tooth, the chain would skate 
> on the top, or fall off, or get a narrow gap wedged onto a wide tooth...
>

I've been trying to picture one thing: do the number of teeth of the 
chainring plus the cog need to add up to an even number so that the pattern 
of thick/thin teeth meeting the thick/thin chain doesn't reverse to 
thick/thin meeting the thin/thick every other time around? 

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[RBW] Re: The newest BLUG

[Roger]

If you ask the person whose career/volunteering is based on being the 
go-between of goods/services and those who need them if it is a good idea to 
cut them out of the loop and give directly, I would guess you'll always hear 
them tell you their role is important and to  keep them in the loop.

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[RBW] Re: FS: New Phil cassette hub

[Roger]

I notice the blue stripe on the hub and haven't seen that very much before. 
Does the blue stripe denote something particular, like its specs or product 
line?

On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 9:28:32 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> That link let's people edit your ad. Let's try this one. 
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bop/d/fs-philh-disc-rear-hub/6658276884.html
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: New Phil cassette hub

[Roger]

Gotcha. That hadn't occurred to me.

On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 12:35:51 PM UTC-7, Forrest Harvey wrote:
>
> That is tape to protect the hub I believe
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Timeline

[Roger]

I added a note that Appaloosa was first available in March of 2016. 

I think Appaloosa was, like the various iterations of the name Roscoe 
Bubbe/Boscoe Rubbe, a name that was floating around for awhile waiting to 
be paired with a bike concept that was going to move forward into 
production.The original use of the name in print predated its use as what 
we now know as Appaloosa by several years.

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[RBW] Millionaire baseball player rides classic bike

[Roger]

Ben Zobrist was the A’s Greek God of Walks!

RBWHQ is pretty much on the commute from Danville, where a lot of ball payers 
have chosen to live, and the Colisseum. Maybe he stopped by when he was a 
local...

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[RBW] Re: One month VO Touring rear hub review.

[Roger]

Bmx guys get really proud of how loud their hubs can be.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRnj1he3beU

I have a Profile Madera single speed hub spaced out to 120mm for my single 
speed commuter and have found the buzzing bees of coasting is easier and 
more effective than pinging my bell. And pedaling backwards really gets 
those pawls thrumming.

On Saturday, October 13, 2018 at 10:36:28 AM UTC-7, Ginz wrote:
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> Just watched some you tube videos. Wow. That’s some noise. 

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[RBW] Re: One month VO Touring rear hub review.

[Roger]

On Sunday, October 21, 2018 at 8:26:50 AM UTC-7, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> If ah puwt aneey baseball cards in mah spoekes its gunna be 70's Oryuls, 
> Hon!
>

My Appaloosa don't want none
Unless it's got Oryuls, hon!

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