[RBW] FS: Clem Smith Jr 52 Complete

[Doug H.]

I love this bicycle but circumstances and preferences reached a point of 
convergence. Photos linked below. It is a 52 Lime Olive with about 2,200 
road miles. Great condition. Stored in my basement when not riding. I 
changed the crankset to a 170 mm a few hundred miles ago and switched to 1x 
using a Microshift Advent X system, including the shifter. 40T front ring; 
11-48 10sp cassette. I left the small chainring (30T) on the front if you 
want to convert it to a 2x, you'll just need a longer spindle bottom 
bracket, FD and shifter. It has a Rich-built front dynamo wheel with the 
stock rear wheel. Lights included. Tires have lots of life left and are 
American Classic brand. One Up pedals must stay with the bike, they are 
perfect for the Clem. You may not agree ;). I can have a local bike shop 
box it up at my cost but the buyer pays shipping from zip code 30677. I'll 
keep the bags.

Clem Photos Price: $1,500 
plus shipping cost

Doug Hansford

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Re: [RBW] FS: Clem Smith Jr 52 Complete

[Doug H.]

I think it's a good price. I'm including the dynamo lights, Brooks saddle 
and really nice pedals. If this does sell, I plan to buy the new Roaduno 
when it is released. I'm really into single speed riding.
Doug

On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 6:16:47 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> That’s a damn fine deal!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 24, 2023, at 4:28 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>
> I love this bicycle but circumstances and preferences reached a point of 
> convergence. Photos linked below. It is a 52 Lime Olive with about 2,200 
> road miles. Great condition. Stored in my basement when not riding. I 
> changed the crankset to a 170 mm a few hundred miles ago and switched to 1x 
> using a Microshift Advent X system, including the shifter. 40T front ring; 
> 11-48 10sp cassette. I left the small chainring (30T) on the front if you 
> want to convert it to a 2x, you'll just need a longer spindle bottom 
> bracket, FD and shifter. It has a Rich-built front dynamo wheel with the 
> stock rear wheel. Lights included. Tires have lots of life left and are 
> American Classic brand. One Up pedals must stay with the bike, they are 
> perfect for the Clem. You may not agree ;). I can have a local bike shop 
> box it up at my cost but the buyer pays shipping from zip code 30677. I'll 
> keep the bags.
>
>
> Clem Photos <https://photos.app.goo.gl/7aRsZCN5bxfPrudZ6>Price: 
> $1,500 plus shipping cost
>
> Doug Hansford
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SOLD:Re: [RBW] FS: Clem Smith Jr 52 Complete

[Doug H.]

SOLD

On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 12:55:28 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> I think it's a good price. I'm including the dynamo lights, Brooks saddle 
> and really nice pedals. If this does sell, I plan to buy the new Roaduno 
> when it is released. I'm really into single speed riding.
> Doug
>
> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 6:16:47 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> That’s a damn fine deal!
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 24, 2023, at 4:28 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>
>> I love this bicycle but circumstances and preferences reached a point of 
>> convergence. Photos linked below. It is a 52 Lime Olive with about 2,200 
>> road miles. Great condition. Stored in my basement when not riding. I 
>> changed the crankset to a 170 mm a few hundred miles ago and switched to 1x 
>> using a Microshift Advent X system, including the shifter. 40T front ring; 
>> 11-48 10sp cassette. I left the small chainring (30T) on the front if you 
>> want to convert it to a 2x, you'll just need a longer spindle bottom 
>> bracket, FD and shifter. It has a Rich-built front dynamo wheel with the 
>> stock rear wheel. Lights included. Tires have lots of life left and are 
>> American Classic brand. One Up pedals must stay with the bike, they are 
>> perfect for the Clem. You may not agree ;). I can have a local bike shop 
>> box it up at my cost but the buyer pays shipping from zip code 30677. I'll 
>> keep the bags.
>>
>>
>> Clem Photos <https://photos.app.goo.gl/7aRsZCN5bxfPrudZ6>Price: 
>> $1,500 plus shipping cost
>>
>> Doug Hansford
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[RBW] Re: Platypus for Clem L?

[Doug H.]

Jake,
That is interesting that the bikes are about equal in weight but one rides 
"zippier and lighter". I've heard this before in comparing the Clem to the 
Platypus but I just don't know what qualities makes a bike feel zippier if 
it isn't lighter weight.
Thanks,
Doug

On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 12:25:06 PM UTC-5 jake...@gmail.com wrote:

> I agree with what Garth is saying about weight/size differences. Depending 
> on the respective builds and how the sizing falls, it's possible that a 
> Platypus could be every bit as long and heavy as a Clem. As people in the 
> 81-84cm pbh range, I have a 55cm Platypus and my dad has a 52cm Clem, and 
> the Clem is probably lighter in part due to the smaller wheel size. Both 
> are great bikes, and I do find the Platypus rides zippier and lighter, but 
> in terms of lifting, transport, and storage there is not much difference 
> between the two. Hope this helps!
>
> Jake
>
> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 4:06:09 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>
>> Chung, If your wife finds the Clem too long and heavy a Platypus is not 
>> going to make a effective difference in regards to weight or maneuvering. 
>> What would is a frame like a Soma Buena Vista (rim brake or disc) or Velo 
>> Orange Polyvalent low kicker. Both have relatively typical chainstays and 
>> wheelbases and are going to be easier to pick up and maneuver simply due to 
>> the fact that they have "normal" wheelbases and chainstays so are going to 
>> be inherently lighter to begin with. There's a notable difference in 
>> geometry though, with the VO being more low trail and the Soma mid-high. 
>> Plus the Soma has quite steep seat tube angles so if using a Brooks you may 
>> not be able to get the seat back where you want. Thankfully they do both 
>> use a 27.2 post though. 
>>
>> Note, the Platy isn't a step through either so all three compared to a 
>> Clem are more like step around I suppose ! 
>>
>>
>> https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5b8578fd48f3a30004789cd9,5ee8f7ce7eaeb8001717ac2f
>> ,
>>
>> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 2:53:48 PM UTC-5 Hoch in ut wrote:
>>
>> I don’t know about the Platypus, but my wife rides a Betty Foy. It rides 
>> ligh/zippy  and she loves it. Currently has a Wald 137 front basket and a 
>> Riv trunk bag. 
>> They’re a bit hard to come by but Cheviot was essentially the same bike. 
>>
>> Tires are 650b x 38 with fenders. Not sure I’d go larger. 
>>
>> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 9:21:50 AM UTC-7 chungeu...wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I bought a complete Clem L for my wife and she enjoyed riding it so far.
>> However, she felt that it's a bit too much bike for her since she only 
>> rides it on the pavement for the commute. She finds it too heavy when 
>> storing it in a rack and bring it on the the commuting train.
>> Since she still likes the step-through design, I wonder if swapping it 
>> with the complete Platypus would solve her problem. Or, can we solve this 
>> with lighter components (probably the wheelset and tires?) and some cockpit 
>> setup to make it more zippy?
>>
>> Best,
>> Chung
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Lime Olive 50 cm Platypus frame

[Doug H.]

What does one call a flock of Platypuses??? 
Doug

On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 4:41:28 AM UTC-5 Joseph Tousignant wrote:

> Ahhh,... Judge NOT,... lest YOU be Judged! :-)
>
> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 10:07:59 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> And no, I’m not selling my 55 Platys. I just need more sizes! And colors. 
>> Whatever. Don’t judge.
>>
>> Leah
>>
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[RBW] ISO: Roadini 54 Sergio Green

[Doug H.]

Frameset or complete would work. 
Doug Hansford
Athens, Ga

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Re: [RBW] ISO: Roadini 54 Sergio Green

[Doug H.]

Ahmed,
That is a nice color too. I will message you privately.
Doug

On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 9:12:41 PM UTC-5 aelga...@castilleja.org 
wrote:

> Hi Doug,
> I’m willing to sell my mermaid 54 complete if that interests you. I’m in 
> the SF Bay Area but I’ve sold on here before and shipped via bike flights 
> and my LBS. It’s barely been ridden and has some nice higher end parts. 
>
> Best
> Ahmed in Redwood Shores
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 7, 2023 at 5:28 PM Doug H.  wrote:
>
>> Frameset or complete would work. 
>> Doug Hansford
>> Athens, Ga
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Re: [RBW] Re: Who’s getting a Platypus tomorrow?

[Doug H.]

Agreed Johnny. The Altus derailers are classy in a functional way. 
Doug

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 7:35:56 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Agreed. Beautiful. I really love those Altus rear derailers. 
>
> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 4:14:32 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> That's a lovely bicycle, Dorothy 💚💚💚
>>
>> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 1:06:48 PM UTC-8 Dorothy C wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_0422.jpeg]Here’s mine with a lot of tranferred parts off a 
>>> 2019 45cm Clem
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 11:50:41 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Definitely try the Clem saddle first. It's promoted by Riv as an Actual 
 Good Saddle, and certainly a better option for a lockup bike than the 
 spiffy/pricey Brookses we all know and love around here. 

 On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 11:21:26 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:

> The website clearly says it comes with a saddle so I would give them a 
> call. It's described as the Clem saddle though and I found the saddle 
> that 
> came with my Clem to be nothing more than a courtesy saddle. If thats 
> what 
> it is I would highly suggest purchasing a better saddle that works well 
> for 
> you.
>
> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 2:00:58 PM UTC-5 SallyG wrote:
>
>> Hi Dorothy,
>>
>> Good question! 
>>
>> We didn't even open the box because our shop was just about to close 
>> and the owner was waiting for us...I didn't buy one, so I'm sure we'll 
>> get 
>> a phone call by Monday if there wasn't one in the box...and I'll alert 
>> you:) Maybe Will can send you one separately? I know it clearly stated 
>> there would be a saddle. 
>>
>> Sally
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 10:54 AM Dorothy C  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sally did your complete include a saddle? Will said there would be, 
>>> but I didn’t get one with mine
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 10:25:18 AM UTC-8 SallyG wrote:
>>>
 My husband's (okay, really, OUR) 50 cm purple Platy complete 
 arrived yesterday by UPS!

 We loaded it up asap to get it to our local bike shop before it 
 closed (not being as savvy mechanically as most of you all...but 
 equally 
 excited for sure:)... I'd already ordered the pedals, kickstand, tape, 
 twine, etc. 

 Xmas came early here in California! 

 Cheers to all...

 On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 9:50 AM Joe Bernard  
 wrote:

> It's so exciting! I can't wait to see your new Purple Platy and 
> all the other new bikes out there. Gosh, now I kinda wish *I* was 
> getting a 
> new frame... 🤔
>
> Joe " wishin' and hopin' " Bernard 
>
> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 5:47:48 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle 
> Ding Ding! wrote:
>
>> They are trickling in. Mine arrives Wednesday. I hope you get 
>> your wife’s in time! 
>>
>> On Dec 10, 2023, at 8:44 AM, Josh C  wrote:
>>
>> I was just going to ask if anyone had received theirs yet. 
>> Hoping to put my wife's under the tree...or near it I guess. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 1:52:52 PM UTC-4 Arthur Mayfield 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> My Mermaid Platypus 55 frame arrived today (apparently found in 
>>> their stock from last year). This is an *elegant* bike-to-be! 
>>> All you who ordered frames or bikes have a real treat coming! I’m 
>>> waiting 
>>> for wheels to be built, so plenty of time for frame-saving the 
>>> tubes and 
>>> ceramic coating the paint before building it up. I already had a 
>>> B-68 and 
>>> crankset, derailleurs, cassettes, brakes, stem, bars, racks, 
>>> fenders, etc, 
>>> so it will go together quickly when the wheels get here. I have a 
>>> blue Sam 
>>> 52 (caliper brakes, 650B) in *really* nice condition that will 
>>> likely go on the market when I get the Platypus put together, btw. 
>>> I’m in 
>>> NC.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 7:51:25 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners 
>>> Bunch wrote:
>>>
 Peter, great info re: the Mardi Gras colors! I'm thinking of 
 gold + green, harlequin-style, for the purple bike. 

 (I'm also remembering the smell of sweet olive blossoms and the 
 taste of a real beignet and the sound of Preservation Hall...my 
 mom was 
 born there and I love to visit!)

 S.

 On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 12:00 PM Peter Adler <
 divis...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Green + purple + yellow = Mardi Gras bike. G

[RBW] Re: Clean, don't toss, your dull German mirror

[Doug H.]

Baking soda and water does the trick on mirrors! My German mirror is the 
best I've used and I feel safer riding with it. I'm not sure of the size or 
sourcing of that little brass screw but maybe see if the folks at Rivendell 
can help you out.
Doug

On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 8:05:52 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> Over the years, these dull.  I always thought they pitted and the lack of 
> clarity was too much for me.  I'd toss them and buy more.  At $30 a pop, it 
> was a bit much, but I like the low profile of the mirror.
>
> I went to Riv's web site to get another, saw this, tried the baking soda 
> with water suggestion and now the mirror reflects as good as new!
>
> From Riv's site:  " After a couple years the mirror might dull a bit, but 
> can be brought back to life by scrubbing it with baking soda and water, or 
> toothpaste."
>
> Roberta
>
> PS If anyone knows the size of this housing screw or has an extra one, I'd 
> like to know the size or buy the screw. 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: ISO: Roadini 54 Sergio Green

[Doug H.]

I had an email exchange with Will at Rivendell and he suggested a size 50 
Roadini for me. I'm 5'10" with an 83 PBH and 71.5" saddle height. Since 
that size is in stock I'll probably get a frameset to build up. Thanks all.
Doug

On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 12:18:39 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:

>
>
> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 5:28:34 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>
> Frameset or complete would work. 
> Doug Hansford
> Athens, Ga
>
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[RBW] Re: ISO: Roadini 54 Sergio Green

[Doug H.]

Thanks Johnny and Brian. I really could ride either size it seems the 
difference being how much seat post is showing as you said Brian. I'm 
thinking drop bars so the 50 might be a little better with that 
configuration.
Doug

On Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 11:31:34 AM UTC-5 Brian Cunningham wrote:

> Oops! An error on my part. We have a 2.5cm difference in saddle height, 
> not 2.5 inches. So a 54 should still give you four inches of seatpost.
>
> On Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 8:28:52 AM UTC-8 Brian Cunningham wrote:
>
>> Doug,
>>
>> Will is probably leading you in the right direction. Some data points 
>> that might help you from my 54 Roadini. Shod with 700X42s, the standover 
>> height is 32". I'm 6'0" with a 85 PBH/74cm saddle height. My saddle height 
>> gives me 5 inches of seatpost visible, so you'd be down to 2.5". 
>>
>> Interestingly, I just checked the geometry chart and there's only 1.3cm 
>> of difference in effective top tube between the 50 (55.2cm) and the 54 
>> (56.5cm). I'm no bike fit expert (I figure if nothing's hurting all is 
>> good!) but I'd figure the difference of a single cm is just a stem choice 
>> away.
>>
>> As Will has alluded to in the emails, it's easy to get the bars 
>> comfortably high (though I actually ride this one with the bars a smidge 
>> below saddle) without having to size up. 
>>
>> I'm loving my Roadini and hope you love your soon-to-be-Roadini.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Brian
>> Glendale, CA
>> On Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 7:51:21 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> It depends how you want it set up but if you are going for more of a 
>>> traditional road bike the 54 would ride like a 57 or something around 
>>> there. A 50 would ride more like a 54.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 10:14:28 AM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
>>>> I had an email exchange with Will at Rivendell and he suggested a size 
>>>> 50 Roadini for me. I'm 5'10" with an 83 PBH and 71.5" saddle height. Since 
>>>> that size is in stock I'll probably get a frameset to build up. Thanks all.
>>>> Doug
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 12:18:39 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 5:28:34 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Frameset or complete would work. 
>>>>> Doug Hansford
>>>>> Athens, Ga
>>>>>
>>>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: Roadini 54 Sergio Green

[Doug H.]

That is helpful Brian. Thank you. And, nice job on the sand-stand!
Doug

On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 12:51:05 PM UTC-5 Brian Cunningham wrote:

> Here's a visual, if it helps, of what a 54 looks like with approx. 74cm 
> saddle height. If it's not instructive in terms of sizing, at least it can 
> show you the possibilities of creating a quasi-kickstand out of sand.
>
> Brian
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:18:35 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> It generally fits. He would be at the very top of what they suggest for 
>> that size but if going for a road fit with drops being at the top is 
>> preferable to being at the bottom. Most of their "size up" philosophy is 
>> based on upright relaxed riding.
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:55:30 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This is somewhat surprising as it does not seem to align with Riv’s 
>>> published size suggestions? I too am 5’10” & ride with a 72cm saddle 
>>> height. 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Dec 12, 2023, at 10:14 AM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>>
>>> I had an email exchange with Will at Rivendell and he suggested a size 
>>> 50 Roadini for me. I'm 5'10" with an 83 PBH and 71.5" saddle height. Since 
>>> that size is in stock I'll probably get a frameset to build up. Thanks all.
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 12:18:39 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 5:28:34 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Frameset or complete would work. 
>>>> Doug Hansford
>>>> Athens, Ga
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Bike Day—Retirement Bike

[Doug H.]

Fantastic bike Roberta! I love the personal touches you put on it to make 
it your custom Rivendell. Don't you love it when a plan comes together.
Doug

On Wednesday, December 27, 2023 at 9:00:09 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:

> Yes, all of what Andy said. I have never said these words but I FEEL them 
> after reading his post. What a lovely thought, that your bike is the 
> culmination of all of your riding experiences. I’m going to think about 
> this for awhile…
>
> And, I also concur that the bike deserves a better moniker. I’ll also 
> think on THAT.
> L
>
> On Dec 27, 2023, at 6:32 AM, ascpgh  wrote:
>
> Fantastic Roberta!
>
>
>
> A bike is the sum of its parts. More accurately, a sum of the stories of 
> all the parts that they represent to you. It validates all of your past 
> riding by developing preferences and aesthetics of parts you may not have 
> been keenly aware of before 2017. Most production (boxed) bikes are 
> specified for price point by choosing lower level parts for the bits most 
> riders aren't familiar with or don't notice. Building a bike like yours is 
> deeply rewarding and culminates all of your efforts, experiences and gained 
> knowledge.
>
> It's not a "retirement bike", it's a bike to provide for your "not working 
> 8 hours of each day anymore bike". In that role your Betty Foy appears 
> ready for all uses, your pictures even show a wet ground, validating 
> fenders and flaps before you've even posted an initial ride report.
>
> Makes me think of the Dr. Seuss classic, Oh, the Places You'll Go.
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
> On Monday, December 25, 2023 at 8:40:01 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>
>> What’s old is new:  circa 2010 Betty Foy!
>>
>> Let me explain why this and not a custom I was hoping for.
>>
>> For the past nearly three years, I’ve been “next up” on Rivendell’s list 
>> for a custom retirement bike, something I’ve wanted since I found Rivendell 
>> in 2017.  I wanted something 1) like my 55cm Platypus, but shorter (I 
>> didn’t say short, just short-*er*) specifically so I could take it on 
>> the city bus bike rack and Amtrak, that 2) fits and rides like my 2019 54.5 
>> Homer.
>>
>> During one of our many conversations, the ever so patient Vince suggested 
>> a Betty Foy.  When I saw one posted on RBW’s Craigslist thread, I drove 
>> to Brooklyn, test rode and brought it home, and thanked the RBW poster.  I 
>> think this bike is from the first batch of Betty’s because only one heart 
>> lug was (notice the past tense) filled in and the seat tube is 58cm.  The 
>> color is not robin’s egg blue, but more of a sage/teal, which I like more.
>>
>> It’s about as close to a custom as I think Grant would have built for 
>> me—650b wheels, just under the Amtrak length limit by ½”, fits on our city 
>> bus bike racks, rides great and no toe overlap.  Perhaps not a cushy as 
>> my Platypus with its extra-long wheelbase, but if I’m on my Betty, I have 
>> more options for mass transportation.  The only thing I wish it had was 
>> an additional water bottle mount, but I remedied that with a water bottle 
>> bag on the handlebar, big enough to hold a 40 oz Kleen Kanteen.
>>
>> 1X9 Drive train (38T Wolf Tooth in front with Microshift Aventex in 
>> back), Albatross handlebar, brakes (Tektro R553)  and Gravel King Slick 
>> tires are as I purchased the bike.
>>
>> I added “extras”—SKS fenders with custom mud flaps (made by a little girl 
>> whose Dad is on the iBob board 
>> https://groups.google.com/g/internet-bob/c/M_iDE82EhkI/m/FZG8bZzMAQAJ ), 
>> red Ergon grips and Newbaum’s tape for pop of color, German mirrors, 
>> Greenfield kickstand, 32 spoke Velocity A23 rims with tubeless setup, and 
>> Dyno lighting SP hub with Edulux light on front and B&M Topline Plus light 
>> in the back.  Bitex hub in the rear. Axiom rack.  Brooks B68 saddle in 
>> honey, but I might try the newly re-issued B72 albeit in brown.
>>
>> Keystone Bike https://keystone.bike/ did amazing work with the extras, 
>> and featured the bike on their IG page a few weeks ago. 
>> https://www.instagram.com/p/C0WqS6_OzqA/?img_index=1 .   If you’re ever 
>> in Philadelphia, I highly recommend a stop at their shop.  They 
>> understand Rivendells (and even own a few).
>>
>> I did do one way-over-the-top (for me, at least) item—I had all the 
>> hearts paint matched and filled by a meticulous and true professional—Lek, 
>> https://www.instagram.com/lekerleks/ , who also builds Albacore 
>> handlebars available at https://hopecyclery.com/ .  My favorite heart is 
>> the one on the back side of the seat tube—an “Easter egg” that I see every 
>> time I use my basket, which is every ride.  I asked him to fill in the 
>> hearts and he returned the bike saying “I just did every open lug window I 
>> saw—hearts, circles and dots.”  WOW!
>>
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[RBW] Re: New Year's Day, NBD!

[Doug H.]

That's a beauty Joe! The Paul Motolites look fantastic on a Clem. Enjoy 
cruising on your new cruiser. Nothing eats up miles like a Clem and on any 
surface.
Doug

On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 8:50:38 AM UTC-5 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:

> What a wonderful and sparkley way to kick off the New Year! Can't wait to 
> hear about the rides this bike embarks on in it's next chapter!
>
> Sarah
>
> On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 10:06:32 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Leah: It's a wonderful bike whose journey I've followed for years, it 
>> feels like an old friend arrived at my doorstep. Thanks so much!
>>
>> Kim: It's a 52, it just looks huge in the photos with 42mm tires. But 
>> it's a loong 52, I've owned shorter recumbents! 😂
>>
>> On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 9:27:53 PM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Congratulations Joe on your NBD on New Year's Day !  
>>>
>>> The RBW Blue is such a fantastic color. She is a beauty !  I am sure 
>>> that you are, if not already have fallen in love with it. Every time I walk 
>>> by mine here in my home,  a 52cm Blue Clem, I admire it every time. I am 
>>> very delighted to own one. 
>>>
>>> What size is it ?  59cm ? ..or ?
>>>
>>> I am certain that you will find it a real fun bike on and off road.
>>>
>>> I'm looking forward to your periodical ride reports in and around Clear 
>>> Lake.
>>>
>>> Long my you ride with smiles and joy in your heart.
>>>
>>> All my best,
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 9:03:48 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Surprise! And happy NBD. You really know how to ring in the new year. 
 From NYC, to Las Vegas, to Michigan and now to California this bike has 
 lived quite a life and doesn’t look any worse for the wear, I’d say.

 Enjoy and put some marks on that thing.
 Leah

 On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 11:40:17 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Remember Leah's lovely shimmery blue Clem L? Now it's MY lovely 
> shimmery blue Clem L! This is pre-racked and bagged and all that (and 
> there's an errant black brake cable cuz I'm waiting for a long gray one) 
> but I wanted to show off my new-to-me bike. It's wonderful, I love it 💙
>
> Joe Bernard
> Lake County CA
>
> [image: Screenshot_20240101_203513.jpg][image: 
> Screenshot_20240101_203538.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: Platypus or Clem - Please help me choose

[Doug H.]

Steve,
The black rims, fenders, cables and levers look awesome on your Platypus. 
Nicely done.
Doug

On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 8:55:18 AM UTC-5 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:

> Can I put in a plug for the Platypus? I've been riding mine on group rides 
> and it's been a delight. The bike is gorgeous. The price took away my 
> breath one time when I made the payment, but I get a little flutter every 
> time I see my bike, and the joy I feel when I ride it takes away any memory 
> I had of the monetary cost. 
>
> Sarah
>
> On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 6:40:48 PM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> There is another related thread about this:
>> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/ho2ri9Tm6jQ/m/mVKYtqAIAQAJ
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>>
>> On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 4:52:04 PM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> I used the word perhaps a LOT of times there
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 7:51:39 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>

 For the type of riding you describe either will work. Since it is for 
 her she should go with whichever speaks to her more. Perhaps a higher 
 price 
 will make her treat it more delicately and perhaps ride it less OR perhaps 
 because the Platy is fancier she will wan to ride it much more. Either way 
 there is no wrong answer as far as quality of product or ride.
 On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 7:04:07 PM UTC-5 steve...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Sean, I can't respond fully to your question --  I've not ridden a 
> Clem. I have seen one up close and personal though. RBW describes the 
> Clem 
> as MTB-ish, and the example I saw was an exceptional build; big RH 
> knobbies 
> and polished Paul brakes and levers (I want one just like it!!!).
>
> I find my Platypus to be exactly as Rivendell describes it. Back to 
> your question -- 
> I don't know your wife, but here's the thing with the Platypus, if you 
> think she would appreciate a bicycle that she falls in love with all over 
> again every time she rides it, then go with the Platypus!
>
> Steve in Asheville, NC
>
>
>
> [image: 251A34BC-59A6-4FEA-AA29-F3A25879C6F4.jpeg] if 
> On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 5:29:59 PM UTC-5 SeanMac wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone.  Happy New Year!
>>
>> I am the proud owner of a grey Cheviot.  One of the reasons that I 
>> purchased that bike was to ride on bike trails near me (such as the Erie 
>> Canal Trail) with my wife.  She and I have done a bit of riding 
>> together.  
>> However, as I am a more experienced cyclists, she sometimes gets 
>> frustrated 
>> with me.  Happily, riding my Cheviot has helped me to slow down and 
>> enjoy 
>> the ride with her.
>>
>> My wife has been riding a Trek hybrid bike that is at least 30 years 
>> old.  I would love for her to get something new for our rides together.  
>> She is on-board with this idea (much to my delight).  A new Rivendell 
>> seems 
>> to be just the ticket to more quality bike time - for her alone and for 
>> us 
>> together.  The question, of course, is which model would be the best 
>> choice.
>>
>> Given that I have a Cheviot, a Platypus for her was my first 
>> suggestion.  I sense that it rides pretty similarly to my Cheviot - 
>> plush, 
>> stable and relatively quick once it gets going.  However, my wife was a 
>> bit 
>> surprised by the price tag of the Platty, and began to focus on the 
>> Clem.  
>> When she asked why the Clem was less expensive I spoke about the lugs, 
>> but 
>> didn't know what else really differentiated the two bikes.  This is why 
>> I 
>> am reaching out to the group.
>>
>> I would be grateful if folks on the list who are familiar with both 
>> the Clem and Platypus would provide some additional insight into the 
>> differences between the two models.  I think that either bike would meet 
>> my 
>> wife's needs.  However, thoughts on which would best meet those needs 
>> are 
>> much appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Sean
>> Buffalo, NY
>>
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[RBW] Re: Roaduno

[Doug H.]

I too saw that they are planning to shorten the chainstays on the 
production Roaduno. At what point are the stays too long and how does too 
long affect ride quality?
Doug

On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 12:10:07 AM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:

> On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 9:32:33 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Speaking of Roaduno, I read in one of the earlier updates that the new 
> bike is very similar to a Homer geometrically.  
>
>
> It's hard to keep up with changes, and I think we just need to wait until 
> the end to know for sure what it'll be.  After that "just like a Homer" 
> update, it seemed to get really long chainstays - much longer than the 
> Homer.   Buy now they do say they're going to get shorter again.  
>  
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[RBW] Re: 5 Boro Bike Tour (was NYC Riv Ride?)

[Doug H.]

This is a ride I want to do in the next few years. I'll be looking forward 
to your ride report!
Doug

On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 11:20:18 AM UTC-5 Joe in the Pay Area 
wrote:

> Andy, Enjoy The Ride !!! You're about to experience one of the greatest 
> cities in the world by pedaling it !!! Forget all the blather about this 
> tire and that chainring and just be a kid again, on a bike, with lots of 
> other bikes, and enjoy it. Go. Out. For. A. Ride. ("Mom? I'm goin' out on 
> my bike.") Maybe even put a baseball card in your spokes to make some 
> noise. Maybe some streamers too?
>
> I have ridden it many, many times, going way back when it was orange vests 
> from AYH, the ride's founder and sole sponsor (until some bank had to get 
> involved). ("AYH" = American Youth Hostels,  a great bike store in its own 
> right, and a go-to outdoor outfitter. R.I.P. AYH.) You'll be on roads that 
> normally won't allow you to enjoy the views you'll now be Inside Of! The 
> only time you can stop On Top Of The Verrazano Narrows Bridge is if a car 
> accident has stopped traffic, so how lucky are you that the span has been 
> closed Just For You?!
>
> It's a *ride*, Andy. There'll be skinny tire flyers there and also bikes 
> that have last seen daylight during the Truman Administration. But you, 
> Andy, you'll be exactly what you are, a tourist, a Cycling Tourist, with a 
> familiar bike under you and thousands of fellow pedalers surrounding you, 
> so sit back, find a cadence that allows you to see it all, and Enjoy The 
> Ride, kid.
>
> (And if you need a baseball card and a clothespin, lemme know. Alas...I'm 
> all out of streamers.)
>
> (And do your homework. If you spend a week in da Big Apple and don't eat 
> pizza at least 5 times, you've missed out.)
>
> On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 2:17:42 AM UTC-8 ascpgh wrote:
>
>> My wife and I did it a number of years ago (still 30,000 riders). It is 
>> an amazing roll through a city you never get to see in this way, even if 
>> you've ridden there before because you are able to look around which I 
>> couldn't when riding around NYC when I was there by myself with a bike. 
>>
>> Our approach was to park on Staten Island, take the ferry over  for the 
>> start. We were in the back half of the start after securing the rental bike 
>> my wife opted for. Rest and refreshment stops were packed with our 29,998 
>> friends each time we stopped. The Gowanus Expressway to Verrazano Park and 
>> the bridge was hot and both of use were out of water. By the time we got 
>> off the elevated highway and saw a food truck selling Gatorade we were 
>> pretty needy and the baseball stadium price for the 12 oz bottles was worth 
>> every penny. 
>>
>> The Verrazano Narrows Bridge on a bike is worth any hardship you endure 
>> on this ride. There will be refreshments, entertainment and food at the 
>> Staten Island afterparty. Many riders will rest, recharge and socialize 
>> before taking the ferries back over to Manhattan. I have no recs for 
>> whether to enjoy the music food and community or get on the ferr quickly. 
>> We just rode to the rent bike return site, loaded my bike in the car and 
>> faced essentially no traffic as we left the island towards Newark, NJ and 
>> home. 
>>
>> Fun ride, take pictures, report back.
>> [image: 0B26E98E-F3A4-4191-AF97-7C4A40824DE4_1_105_c.jpeg][image: 
>> 2C0395CC-B633-4B93-A08A-3A5F91609ECF_1_105_c.jpeg][image: 
>> 4B5A58FC-A919-480F-889A-7414E089FAE7_1_105_c.jpeg][image: 
>> 282BD64D-6BD4-4A97-BAC3-C05153020A05_1_105_c.jpeg][image: 
>> B6D93789-352B-4C47-A956-46287F639DE3_1_105_c.jpeg][image: 
>> 8A3A12C3-0476-4C23-BA7F-FA59F5208F8E_1_105_c.jpeg]
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 10:05:33 PM UTC-5 velomann wrote:
>>
>>> The 5 Boro Bike Tour in NYC has been on my bucket list for years, and I 
>>> decided this year is the year. First Sunday of May (5/5 this year).
>>> https://www.bike.nyc/events/td-five-boro-bike-tour/
>>> Registration opened this week, and I signed up.
>>> I've got my lodging and flight booked as well.
>>>
>>> This will be my first trip to NYC since I was a kid, 50 years ago. I 
>>> won't be bringing my Riv (Bringing the Ritchey Breakaway), but I'll be 
>>> there for a week, staying in midtown not far from ride start. 
>>> I'd love to meet up with others while I'm there, get recommendations on 
>>> where to ride, cheap food, coffee, bike shops, etc.
>>>
>>> Anyone else here doing the ride?
>>>
>>> Mike M
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: Roadini 54 Sergio Green

[Doug H.]

I wanted to bump this up one time to see if anyone has a 54 for sale. I 
could buy a 50 from Riv but the saddle would be higher than I prefer on 
that size.
Thanks,
Doug

On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 1:04:50 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:

> That is helpful Brian. Thank you. And, nice job on the sand-stand!
> Doug
>
> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 12:51:05 PM UTC-5 Brian Cunningham 
> wrote:
>
>> Here's a visual, if it helps, of what a 54 looks like with approx. 74cm 
>> saddle height. If it's not instructive in terms of sizing, at least it can 
>> show you the possibilities of creating a quasi-kickstand out of sand.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:18:35 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> It generally fits. He would be at the very top of what they suggest for 
>>> that size but if going for a road fit with drops being at the top is 
>>> preferable to being at the bottom. Most of their "size up" philosophy is 
>>> based on upright relaxed riding.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:55:30 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This is somewhat surprising as it does not seem to align with Riv’s 
>>>> published size suggestions? I too am 5’10” & ride with a 72cm saddle 
>>>> height. 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 12, 2023, at 10:14 AM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I had an email exchange with Will at Rivendell and he suggested a size 
>>>> 50 Roadini for me. I'm 5'10" with an 83 PBH and 71.5" saddle height. Since 
>>>> that size is in stock I'll probably get a frameset to build up. Thanks all.
>>>>
>>>> Doug
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 12:18:39 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 5:28:34 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Frameset or complete would work. 
>>>>> Doug Hansford
>>>>> Athens, Ga
>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: Roadini 54 Sergio Green

[Doug H.]

I did and have exchanged emails with him. Nice guy and that is a good 
price. I'm hoping for one of the green framesets but if one doesn't come 
along I may buy that orange one if it's still available. Thank you for the 
heads up!
Doug

On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 3:18:51 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Doug, did you happen to see the 54 for sale on Craigslist, Cincinnati? I 
> have talked to the guy & the price was down from $1,200 to just $950. It’s 
> NOS or new never built or whatever. Looks new & is orange so from a 
> previous batch? I seriously considered it as I could drive to pick it up 
> but decided I did not need it.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 13, 2024, at 12:24 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>
> I wanted to bump this up one time to see if anyone has a 54 for sale. I 
> could buy a 50 from Riv but the saddle would be higher than I prefer on 
> that size.
>
> Thanks,
> Doug
>
> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 1:04:50 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> That is helpful Brian. Thank you. And, nice job on the sand-stand!
>> Doug
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 12:51:05 PM UTC-5 Brian Cunningham 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Here's a visual, if it helps, of what a 54 looks like with approx. 74cm 
>>> saddle height. If it's not instructive in terms of sizing, at least it can 
>>> show you the possibilities of creating a quasi-kickstand out of sand.
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:18:35 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
>>>> It generally fits. He would be at the very top of what they suggest for 
>>>> that size but if going for a road fit with drops being at the top is 
>>>> preferable to being at the bottom. Most of their "size up" philosophy is 
>>>> based on upright relaxed riding.
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:55:30 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This is somewhat surprising as it does not seem to align with Riv’s 
>>>>> published size suggestions? I too am 5’10” & ride with a 72cm saddle 
>>>>> height. 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 12, 2023, at 10:14 AM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I had an email exchange with Will at Rivendell and he suggested a 
>>>>> size 50 Roadini for me. I'm 5'10" with an 83 PBH and 71.5" saddle height. 
>>>>> Since that size is in stock I'll probably get a frameset to build up. 
>>>>> Thanks all.
>>>>>
>>>>> Doug
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 12:18:39 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 5:28:34 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Frameset or complete would work. 
>>>>>> Doug Hansford
>>>>>> Athens, Ga
>>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: Roadini 54 Sergio Green

[Doug H.]

I don't know the answer but my assumption is that it is the same geometry. 
I sold my Clem so am currently without a Rivendell. I've been riding my 
Wabi single speed which I really like. Single speed riding is fun but I 
want a geared bike too. The Roadini seems like the best option for me 
although I would take a Homer if one were available in my size (51). You 
won't have to wait too much longer for a Roaduno if the frame schedule 
holds true.
Doug

On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 3:58:57 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Does the orange one have a different spec than the new ones? The dropouts 
> are perhaps different? Perhaps tire clearance as well? Just asking. The 
> Roaduno changed my mind. I have a tigged Riv (Clem) and a fillet brazed one 
> (Gus). So if I am to have a (completely unnecessary) third Riv I decided it 
> should be fully lugged.:)
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 13, 2024, at 3:39 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>
> I did and have exchanged emails with him. Nice guy and that is a good 
> price. I'm hoping for one of the green framesets but if one doesn't come 
> along I may buy that orange one if it's still available. Thank you for the 
> heads up!
>
> Doug
>
> On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 3:18:51 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Doug, did you happen to see the 54 for sale on Craigslist, Cincinnati? I 
>> have talked to the guy & the price was down from $1,200 to just $950. It’s 
>> NOS or new never built or whatever. Looks new & is orange so from a 
>> previous batch? I seriously considered it as I could drive to pick it up 
>> but decided I did not need it.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 13, 2024, at 12:24 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>
>> I wanted to bump this up one time to see if anyone has a 54 for sale. I 
>> could buy a 50 from Riv but the saddle would be higher than I prefer on 
>> that size.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Doug
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 1:04:50 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> That is helpful Brian. Thank you. And, nice job on the sand-stand!
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 12:51:05 PM UTC-5 Brian Cunningham 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here's a visual, if it helps, of what a 54 looks like with approx. 74cm 
>>>> saddle height. If it's not instructive in terms of sizing, at least it can 
>>>> show you the possibilities of creating a quasi-kickstand out of sand.
>>>>
>>>> Brian
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:18:35 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It generally fits. He would be at the very top of what they suggest 
>>>>> for that size but if going for a road fit with drops being at the top is 
>>>>> preferable to being at the bottom. Most of their "size up" philosophy is 
>>>>> based on upright relaxed riding.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:55:30 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> This is somewhat surprising as it does not seem to align with Riv’s 
>>>>>> published size suggestions? I too am 5’10” & ride with a 72cm saddle 
>>>>>> height. 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Dec 12, 2023, at 10:14 AM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I had an email exchange with Will at Rivendell and he suggested a 
>>>>>> size 50 Roadini for me. I'm 5'10" with an 83 PBH and 71.5" saddle 
>>>>>> height. 
>>>>>> Since that size is in stock I'll probably get a frameset to build up. 
>>>>>> Thanks all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Doug
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 12:18:39 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 5:28:34 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Frameset or complete would work. 
>>>>>>> Doug Hansford
>>>>>>> Athens, Ga
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: Roadini 54 Sergio Green

[Doug H.]

Hi Kim,
Yeah they do! The price is higher but if I really want green then that is 
my only option. Orange is available used for less money. Decisions, 
decisions... :-)
Doug

On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 11:08:26 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Blue Lug has a Rivendell 54 Roadini Framset in Sergio Green in stock !
>
> https://global.bluelug.com/rivendell-roadini-frame-set-sergio-green.html
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 1:17:36 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> The first run used mid-reach (47-57mm) brakes, the current model uses 
>> long-reach like Tektro R559. 
>>
>> On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 12:58:57 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Does the orange one have a different spec than the new ones? The 
>>> dropouts are perhaps different? Perhaps tire clearance as well? Just 
>>> asking. The Roaduno changed my mind. I have a tigged Riv (Clem) and a 
>>> fillet brazed one (Gus). So if I am to have a (completely unnecessary) 
>>> third Riv I decided it should be fully lugged.:)
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 13, 2024, at 3:39 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>>
>>> I did and have exchanged emails with him. Nice guy and that is a good 
>>> price. I'm hoping for one of the green framesets but if one doesn't come 
>>> along I may buy that orange one if it's still available. Thank you for the 
>>> heads up!
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 3:18:51 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Doug, did you happen to see the 54 for sale on Craigslist, Cincinnati? 
>>>> I have talked to the guy & the price was down from $1,200 to just $950. 
>>>> It’s NOS or new never built or whatever. Looks new & is orange so from a 
>>>> previous batch? I seriously considered it as I could drive to pick it up 
>>>> but decided I did not need it.
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 13, 2024, at 12:24 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I wanted to bump this up one time to see if anyone has a 54 for sale. 
>>>> I could buy a 50 from Riv but the saddle would be higher than I prefer on 
>>>> that size.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Doug
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 1:04:50 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That is helpful Brian. Thank you. And, nice job on the sand-stand!
>>>>> Doug
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 12:51:05 PM UTC-5 Brian Cunningham 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's a visual, if it helps, of what a 54 looks like with approx. 
>>>>>> 74cm saddle height. If it's not instructive in terms of sizing, at least 
>>>>>> it 
>>>>>> can show you the possibilities of creating a quasi-kickstand out of sand.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brian
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:18:35 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It generally fits. He would be at the very top of what they suggest 
>>>>>>> for that size but if going for a road fit with drops being at the top 
>>>>>>> is 
>>>>>>> preferable to being at the bottom. Most of their "size up" philosophy 
>>>>>>> is 
>>>>>>> based on upright relaxed riding.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:55:30 AM UTC-5 
>>>>>>> rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is somewhat surprising as it does not seem to align with Riv’s 
>>>>>>>> published size suggestions? I too am 5’10” & ride with a 72cm saddle 
>>>>>>>> height. 
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Dec 12, 2023, at 10:14 AM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I had an email exchange with Will at Rivendell and he suggested a 
>>>>>>>> size 50 Roadini for me. I'm 5'10" with an 83 PBH and 71.5" saddle 
>>>>>>>> height. 
>>>>>>>> Since that size is in stock I'll probably get a frameset to build up. 
>>>>>

[RBW] Re: First turns of the pedals on my new Platypus

[Doug H.]

That Sergio Green is on par with Lime Olive, maybe better. Wow, that saddle 
is way up there! The bike looks great already even without grips.
Doug

On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 4:05:22 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Another happy Platypus owner. I’m so happy you’re enjoying it; it will be 
> fun to see what customizations you arrive at as you discover how you’d like 
> the setup to be. Starting with new Paul brakes, so I hear!
>
> On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 2:28:40 PM UTC-5 Tim Bantham wrote:
>
>> We had a rare 41 and sunny day here in upstate NY so I decided to take my 
>> new Platypus for a quick spin. Here are my observations on the complete in 
>> Sergio Green.
>>
>> *Color *- The color looks amazing in the sunlight. Nice little gold hue 
>> to the green. 
>> *Shifters* - I thought I would want to swap the trigger shifter out 
>> right away. On the contrary. The shifting is nice and crisp on the rear 
>> SunRace derailleur. Aesthetically I don't love the way the derailleurs look 
>> (especially the front) but it just shifts so well! I might just leave it 
>> alone. 
>> *Drive train* - The 42/30 Silver crankset is perfect. I usually ride a 
>> 175 crankarms on all my bikes. I don't even notice that this one is a 173. 
>> *Geometry *- My first experience riding a mixte. I got to say my initial 
>> impression is two thumbs up. Rides great and feels surprisingly zippy. The 
>> slack head tube make for a great handling mellow ride. 
>> *Wheels* - The stock wheelset is pretty darn nice! Alex 21's laced to 
>> Novatec hubs. The rear Novetec is dead silent. Folks pay $450 for a Onyx to 
>> get that silent drive. These are pretty nice wheels although I'll probably 
>> build up some Velocity Quills so I can have a dyno hub. 
>> *Bars *- Swapping out the Tosco bars for the Billies was the right 
>> choice for me. I've had good experience with these bars and they will be 
>> great! 
>> *Stem* - I thought I wanted a 13cm stem to accommodate my long arms. 
>> Honestly I don't think I would notice much of a difference going from the 
>> 11cm stem that came with it. 
>>
>> I still need to add grips and install my front rack. This bike is pure 
>> joy so far! 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: Roadini 54 Sergio Green

[Doug H.]

My message was poorly worded. I like the Sergio Green. In fact, I've liked 
all of the green Rivendells I've seen. Orange isn't my favorite though so 
my hesitation on buying the like new Orange frameset that is now on 
Craigslist. Thanks all for you help and tips. I'll let this thread roll on 
down the list.
Doug

On Sunday, January 14, 2024 at 6:21:51 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> @Doug -
> Maybe the lighting in the photos are not true to the color of Sergio green 
> despite the wording being so ? ... or ? 
>
> At any rate, I hope you find what you are looking for in less time than 
> you anticipate. Maybe it will be a serendipity experience, like it was with 
> and my blue Clem. 
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> On Sunday, January 14, 2024 at 11:57:40 AM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Hi Kim,
>> Yeah they do! The price is higher but if I really want green then that is 
>> my only option. Orange is available used for less money. Decisions, 
>> decisions... :-)
>> Doug
>>
>> On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 11:08:26 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Blue Lug has a Rivendell 54 Roadini Framset in Sergio Green in stock !
>>>
>>> https://global.bluelug.com/rivendell-roadini-frame-set-sergio-green.html
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 1:17:36 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>>> The first run used mid-reach (47-57mm) brakes, the current model uses 
>>>> long-reach like Tektro R559. 
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 12:58:57 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Does the orange one have a different spec than the new ones? The 
>>>>> dropouts are perhaps different? Perhaps tire clearance as well? Just 
>>>>> asking. The Roaduno changed my mind. I have a tigged Riv (Clem) and a 
>>>>> fillet brazed one (Gus). So if I am to have a (completely unnecessary) 
>>>>> third Riv I decided it should be fully lugged.:)
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 13, 2024, at 3:39 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I did and have exchanged emails with him. Nice guy and that is a good 
>>>>> price. I'm hoping for one of the green framesets but if one doesn't come 
>>>>> along I may buy that orange one if it's still available. Thank you for 
>>>>> the 
>>>>> heads up!
>>>>>
>>>>> Doug
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 3:18:51 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Doug, did you happen to see the 54 for sale on Craigslist, 
>>>>>> Cincinnati? I have talked to the guy & the price was down from $1,200 to 
>>>>>> just $950. It’s NOS or new never built or whatever. Looks new & is 
>>>>>> orange 
>>>>>> so from a previous batch? I seriously considered it as I could drive to 
>>>>>> pick it up but decided I did not need it.
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 13, 2024, at 12:24 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wanted to bump this up one time to see if anyone has a 54 for 
>>>>>> sale. I could buy a 50 from Riv but the saddle would be higher than I 
>>>>>> prefer on that size.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Doug
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 1:04:50 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is helpful Brian. Thank you. And, nice job on the sand-stand!
>>>>>>> Doug
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 12:51:05 PM UTC-5 Brian 
>>>>>>> Cunningham wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here's a visual, if it helps, of what a 54 looks like with approx. 
>>>>>>>> 74cm saddle height. If it's not instructive in terms of sizing, at 
>>>>>>>> least it 
>>>>>>>> can show you the possibilities of creating a quasi-kickstand out of 
>>>>>>>> sand.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brian
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:18:35 AM UTC-

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell and Brooks B68 short film

[Doug H.]

Fun video. The way they are "shredding" the trails is my kind of riding. 
Doug

On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 3:40:09 PM UTC-5 Tim Bantham wrote:

> That was great! Thanks for posting Eric!
>
> On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 3:15:06 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:
>
>> I think it might just be…but at the least pleasantly harmless and sweet. 
>> And  they all having such a good time. 
>>
>> Tho try as I might the long-wheelbase bikes just don’t flip my switch. 
>> This got me going quite a while ago and I’m still chasing it. Rather odd I 
>> suppose. 
>>
>>
>> Jock
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 19, 2024 at 11:39 AM eddietheflay  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> All those guys wearing those hats look like a cult :).
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 7:32:07 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 [image: 
 VS--YouTube-BrooksEnglandTheB68isbackftRivendellBicycleWorks-0’45”.jpg]

 Brooks just released the 16mm film they made with the Rivendell staff 
 :0) Quite fun! 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBIryCWhgBc

 The saddles are now available from Brooks! 
 https://www.brooksengland.com/en_us/b68.html

 I wonder if this means we can buy a B68 directly from Rivendell now? 
 Seems like Riv was holding back for Brooks to launch the revived saddle. 

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Re: [RBW] OK to post non Rivendell bikes for sale here?

[Doug H.]

Selling a carbon full suspension mtb to make room for a Roaduno!! Approve!
Doug

On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 9:20:50 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks for the official word. I’d decided on my own not to post. I do 
> understand. Thanks.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 21, 2024, at 1:41 PM, Cyclofiend Jim  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Thanks to those who already responded, but putting on my admin cap:
>
> >2019 Ibis Mojo 3
>
> This would be solidly outside of the selling guidelines for this group. 
> Plenty of other places to find an excited buyer for that. 
>
> - J
>
> On Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 3:05:43 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> 2019 Ibis Mojo 3, size large. Fits more like a medium. I am 5’10”. Riv 
>> content? My Gus has taken it’s place.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 16, 2024, at 4:38 PM, Steve  wrote:
>>
>> You've piqued my curiosity - what's the bike?
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 12:57:17 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> The moderator and others can correct me, but I think that if the bike in 
>>> question is relatively aligned with Rivendell tastes and might appeal to 
>>> list members -- if it's generally Rivendellian in taste -- it will be fine. 
>>> I would not post a FS for a modern CF road bike or downhill mountain bike 
>>> here.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 10:41 AM Richard Rose  wrote:
>>>
 I am still new here & do not want to violate an rules. But, I do have a 
 bicycle that I would like to sell and thought others here might be 
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[RBW] Re: 2024 Frame Schedule

[Doug H.]

I too am intrigued by the Charlie Gallop. I saw Russ interview Grant on 
Path Less Pedaled Link  and 
Grant showed a prototype and talked about the design and purpose of the 
bike. If I don't buy a Roadini then I will wait for the Gallop in August.
Doug

On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 1:33:11 PM UTC-5 ScaD wrote:

> I'd like to grab an Appaloosa - curious about the colors that will be on 
> offer. 
>
> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 4:03:05 PM UTC-5 drewfi...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Saw this in the last email:
>>
>>
>>- February - Clems
>>- March - Lugged Susies - kind of a new model
>>- April - Roaduno bikes and frames - new model
>>- May - Sam Hillbornes
>>- June - Appaloosas
>>- July - Platypus bikes and frames
>>- August - Charlie Gallop, nu model, bikes and frames, more info later
>>- September - Roadini
>>
>> Been waiting to pick up a Sam for a lng time. Anyone else have plans 
>> to pick up a new frame in 2024? 
>>
>> Also, Looks like the foreboding about the Atlantis going into retirement 
>> is holding true with more appaloosas coming in the summer. Anyone out there 
>> still pining for that turquoise dream? 
>>
>> - Drew  
>>
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[RBW] Bikeshop A-Hole Video

[Doug H.]

It's a fun video despite the title and if you watch the whole thing you'll 
even see a Rivendell All Rounder for a few seconds. I thought you all might 
enjoy this on the heels of Bike Snob's Outside article. It's in the same 
vein. Enjoy. Video 

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Re: [RBW] Dialing in a Brooks Saddle

[Doug H.]

I too have tried B17s level and it doesn't work for me. The nose up 
slightly is my preferred setting. It looks odd to my eyes when I'm not on 
the bike and I've seen them turned up much farther than I would like. It 
seems that there are many variations of bums and you have to adjust to your 
comfort. Let us know how you like the Roadini!
Doug

On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 7:57:56 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Jay, my experience only…
> I read on the Analog site I think, that a B17 properly adjusted does not 
> need a break in to be comfortable. I concur. My first B17 may have come to 
> me with a few miles on it but it was sublimely comfortable as soon as I got 
> the nose up. Probably important to note that I am bolt upright Lon my Clem 
> with Bosco bar higher than the saddle by at least a couple of inches. Based 
> on that experience I ordered a brand new B17 for my Gus. I replicated my 
> position including nose up & that is even more comfortable. I do not know 
> if the nose up thing works on a more road oriented position especially with 
> drops? And, I have not worn padded shorts in a long time. 100% merino 
> boxers for me. Prior to being gifted the first B17 I had a B67 on the Clem. 
> It was very good but when I reluctantly tried the B17 I never looked back.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 30, 2024, at 10:27 PM, Jay  wrote:
>
> Next week I'll be throwing a leg over a Roadini for the first time (I 
> posted a couple weeks ago about the frame I ordered) and I thought I was 
> set on my saddle, but decided yesterday I need to try something very 
> different.  
>
>
> A little bit of background before I get to my question...
>
> When I started cycling around 20 years ago I had Brooks B17 on my road 
> bike (custom geometry, not too aggressive) and a Masi commuter bike.  It 
> was a while ago so I can't recall what I liked about them, and why I 
> eventually stopped using them, but I do recall one memory...I always used 
> padded bib shorts (still do) and one day in the winter I went for a 2hr 
> ride and only realized when I got home that I just had on my underwear and 
> tights.  In at least that way for me at that time, the saddle was that 
> comfortable.
>
> Since that time I've used a lot of plastic saddles from Fizik, Selle 
> Italia and the latest is a Prologo (147mm wide, with a bit of padding).  I 
> used this saddle on two bikes the last 4 months and it was a noticeable 
> improvement over the Selle Italia saddles I was using previously.  I 
> thought this is what I would use on the Roadini (and still may, in the long 
> run).  But when I use it on my Salsa Fargo (bar level with saddle) and ride 
> for 2+ hours, I get friction and general discomfort.  And can I ride 
> without padded bib shorts?  Heck no, I can't even go around my block 
> without bibs when using this saddle.
>
> To get to my point, I ordered a B17 in Honey to try out on my Roadini. 
>  I'm getting it tomorrow and I'm going to try it on my Fargo (nice weather 
> for next little while).  I know that overall I need to be patient, only 
> change one thing at a time, and only small adjustments.
>
> My thinking, where I wanted to get your input, is that I would be set up 
> the bike so saddle and bars are level, and will likely start with the 
> saddle level (from what I recall this will have the rear of the saddle 
> where my sit bones are located, pointed down a bit, but that's how my 
> Prologo is today and I can ride in the drops and take my hands off and I'm 
> balanced...so I think I'll start there and see how it goes).
>
> Any other words of wisdom that I can consider?  Thanks in advance.
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[RBW] Re: ISO 54 cm Roadini

[Doug H.]

Judd,
I was in the same boat recently, actually still am. Can I ask what your 
height and PBH is for reference?
Doug

On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 4:20:19 PM UTC-5 Judd Levy wrote:

> Hello fine folks 
>
> I am looking for a 54cm Roadini, no preferences for year or color.  Prefer 
> complete but open to frame as well, thanks.
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Re: [RBW] Re: NBOD: New Bike Ordered Day! The mythical canti-Roa!

[Doug H.]

I love Pink Floyd. Do I love pink bikes? Sure! Me thinks pink with black 
components would be slick. Can't wait until you can tell us RivBrothers 
about the color. ;)
Doug

On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 4:35:05 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Died. I have died over here. Am dead, currently. 
>
> PINK? Pink and CREAM?! I love pink - all shades of it. I just *yield* to 
> it. And nothing goes better with pink than cream!!! Oh, I cannot wait to 
> see your new bike!!! SUPER APPROVE
>
> On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 4:22:43 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Only the RivSisters are allowed to read this update:
>>
>> Today, Rick emailed me about the cream accents he is painting on my 
>> color-matched aluminum fenders.  As far as I can tell, that is the last of 
>> the last details, which means New Frame Day may arrive before my 55th 
>> birthday on Thursday the 8th.  
>>
>> I'll repeat, this info is only for the RivSisters.  Everyone else will 
>> get this information after I've seen the finished product and can share 
>> photos.  Only the RivSisters get this early preview spoiler: My new 
>> Nobilette built Canti-Roadeo is Pink.  The frame and fork are Pink with 
>> Cream headtube and accents.  The Nobilette stem is Pink.  The Honjo fenders 
>> are pink with cream "French tips". 
>>
>> Don't tell anybody else.  They'll find out soon enough...  
>>
>> :)
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 11:21:06 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Small update for the Sisters: Rick picked up my frame from Riv this week 
>>> for paint
>>> Big update for the Sisters: I emailed Rick separately and he agreed to 
>>> let me drop off my Rene Herse (Honjo) fenders to paint as well.  I'm beyond 
>>> excited about that.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 6:03:36 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I have already let Leah know, and we will be holding our breath for the 
 big reveal wherever it shows up first. This is not even our first 
 conversation about bike colors today, and won't be the last... because 
 that's how we are. Your RivSisters are waiting!

 On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 7:13:08 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I absolutely will be hoping for RivSister approval of my color way. 
>  In my convo with Grant, he asked to photograph a number of the projects 
> I've been working on or recently completed, like he may Blagh about it, 
> and 
> since this Canti-Roa is a relatively unique thing, I was going to give 
> them 
> first shot at the actual reveal.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, Ca
>
> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 5:17:12 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I love seeing someone else's bike dream fulfilled! Congratulations on 
>> your new bike day and what color did you paint your bike??! (I 
>> promise you all your RivSisters want to know...) 
>>
>> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 8:19:18 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Since starting this thread, I did spring for a fancy new wheel set 
>>> that I'm pretty excited about.  I like the people and products at HED, 
>>> and 
>>> I appreciate their vestigial commitment to rim brakes.  They offer a 
>>> premier rim treatment called RA black.  The rim is machined rough, and 
>>> then 
>>> hard anodized to give a super high friction braking surface.  It's 
>>> supposed 
>>> to be premier braking, and I'm excited to try it out.  
>>>
>>> Mocking up the weights of things, I may be able to pull in a full 
>>> build at 18.5 pounds without rack and fenders, and maybe (just maybe) 
>>> at 
>>> 19.99lbs with rack and fenders.  We'll see how it turns out...  it will 
>>> not 
>>> be red. 
>>>
>>> BL in EC
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 9:23:07 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:
>>>
 Can hardly wait to see it built up! Long wait but worth it I'm sure 

 On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 9:57:15 AM UTC-6 George Schick 
 wrote:

> You gonna stick with the default red/white Roadeo color scheme or 
> choose something else?
>
>
> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 8:45:33 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay 
> wrote:
>
>> ...and 20 months later, it has arrived!  Rivendell received my 
>> Cantilever Roadeo from Nobilette this week, and it's off to paint.  
>> I paid 
>> them a visit and gave it a look over.  It looks very nice and I'm 
>> eager to 
>> see it painted, and built up.  
>>
>> On my visit I had a very nice chat with Grant about various 
>> things, and a few of the familiar old faces were there, so it was a 
>> pleasant visit all around.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, C

Re: [RBW] Wanted: Jones LWB

[Doug H.]

That is a nice Stumpy, Eric!
Doug

On Tuesday, February 6, 2024 at 2:32:56 PM UTC-5 Eric Daume wrote:

> Thanks Ryan. I’m tempted by the sale prices (again) but I think I’ll keep 
> on enjoying my $100 psuedo Jones for now.  At least until the itch gets too 
> strong (one consideration for me: Jones, kind of like Riv, doesn’t really 
> have an equivalent out there. If they left the scene, there’s no easy 
> backup)
>
> Eric 
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 6, 2024, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>
>> Hi Eric! The LBW is a tough one for me. I bought the complete and it was 
>> an absolute beast. I love the handling on the SWB for around town and it 
>> feels like it rides much lighter and playful even though the weight isn’t 
>> much different. Pointing the LWB down a rocky trail with a full camp load 
>> is a joy and where the bike shines. I dream of a Ti LWB if I could afford 
>> one honestly. I think the SWB makes a better commuter and all around bike 
>> though. I don’t hesitate to recommend either as long as speed is not a 
>> priority. 
>> The sale price on the v2 SWB is such a great deal in my opinion! 
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Re: [RBW] Wanted: Jones LWB

[Doug H.]

Or, maybe not a Stumpjumper but looks good. What model is it?
Doug

On Tuesday, February 6, 2024 at 5:57:47 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:

> That is a nice Stumpy, Eric!
> Doug
>
> On Tuesday, February 6, 2024 at 2:32:56 PM UTC-5 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> Thanks Ryan. I’m tempted by the sale prices (again) but I think I’ll keep 
>> on enjoying my $100 psuedo Jones for now.  At least until the itch gets too 
>> strong (one consideration for me: Jones, kind of like Riv, doesn’t really 
>> have an equivalent out there. If they left the scene, there’s no easy 
>> backup)
>>
>> Eric 
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 6, 2024, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Eric! The LBW is a tough one for me. I bought the complete and it was 
>>> an absolute beast. I love the handling on the SWB for around town and it 
>>> feels like it rides much lighter and playful even though the weight isn’t 
>>> much different. Pointing the LWB down a rocky trail with a full camp load 
>>> is a joy and where the bike shines. I dream of a Ti LWB if I could afford 
>>> one honestly. I think the SWB makes a better commuter and all around bike 
>>> though. I don’t hesitate to recommend either as long as speed is not a 
>>> priority. 
>>> The sale price on the v2 SWB is such a great deal in my opinion! 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] WTB: All Rounder

[Doug H.]

Here is one from C-List. Seems pricey to me... Link 

Doug


On Tuesday, February 6, 2024 at 12:07:47 AM UTC-5 Hoch in ut wrote:

>
> Yes, that would wor—Toyo or Waterford Atlantis in ~55 or 56 size. 
> Preferably 26” or maybe 650b. 
>
> I’ve tried the long chainstays and it does not work for me. 
> On Monday, February 5, 2024 at 8:44:18 PM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> If not an AR, a 54.5cm or 56cm Toyo or Waterford Atlantis 26” will be 
>> nearly the same. Probably easier to score, too.
>>
>> I’m 5’8” with a 83 PBH, and riding a 54.5 Atlantis. Could just as easily 
>> ride a 56cm.
>>
>> - Brian 
>>
>> On Feb 5, 2024, at 10:26 PM, Hoch in ut  wrote:
>>
>> Looking for an All Rounder. Not sure what the sizing was, but my PBH is 
>> 83.3cm at 5’11”. 
>>
>>
>> I’ll most likely equip it with moustache or similar “sporty” bars. 
>>
>> Please let me know if you have one available. 
>>
>> I may be talked into a pre-MIT Atlantis or Hunqapillar. Thanks. 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO 54 cm Roadini

[Doug H.]

Will from Rivendell would recommend a 50 for you as he did for me. I'm 
5'10" (almost) with an 83 PBH. My saddle height is 71.5 cm. But, I'm still 
thinking I would prefer a 54.
Doug

On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 4:21:17 PM UTC-5 Judd Levy wrote:

> Thanks for the link, I saw that one as well, unfortunately too big.
>
> On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 4:51:21 PM UTC-5 Lucky wrote:
>
>> I was just thinking I had seen one recently but it’s a 57. Nonetheless 
>> here’s the link:
>>
>> [image: 418748400_7019085838173016_3719984432333502610_n.jpg]
>>
>> Rivendell Leo Roadini 
>> <https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/947484313436277/?mibextid=HHaHfI>
>> facebook.com 
>> <https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/947484313436277/?mibextid=HHaHfI>
>>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/947484313436277/?mibextid=HHaHfI>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 1, 2024, at 13:30, Doug H.  wrote:
>>
>> Judd,
>>
>> I was in the same boat recently, actually still am. Can I ask what your 
>> height and PBH is for reference?
>> Doug
>>
>> On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 4:20:19 PM UTC-5 Judd Levy wrote:
>>
>>> Hello fine folks 
>>>
>>> I am looking for a 54cm Roadini, no preferences for year or color. 
>>>  Prefer complete but open to frame as well, thanks.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: TA Specialites Cranks at Analog Cycles

[Doug H.]

That's some fuzzy math. ;-) The Analog price seems to be in line with the 
market. Although, I think the Rivendell Silver cranksets are a good value 
for an excellent product.
Doug

On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 8:20:24 AM UTC-5 Andy Beichler wrote:

> When I add the prices you listed for Peter White's site, I get a $10 
> savings.  Did I misread your post?
>
>
> On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 1:49:36 AM UTC-5 Nick Payne wrote:
>
>> When I look at Peter White's website, he sells a pair of Carmina 
>> crankarms for $243, spider for $92, and a pair of TA chainrings will set 
>> you back another $100 or so. That's around a $250 saving over the Analog 
>> Cycles price...
>>
>> Nick Payne
>>
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Re: [RBW] Your preferred handlebar for longer rides

[Doug H.]

I've ridden drops, risers, straight bars and bullhorns on 15 plus mile 
rides. My favorite are the Tosco bars that are currently on my Clem. I 
think it may depend on the bicycle and your personal preference but for me 
upright riding with a position to lean forward to occasionally stretch my 
back is ideal. I also like ergonomic grips.
Doug

On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 3:57:20 PM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> The bars I've found most comfortable for longer days in the saddle (which 
> I define as 40 to 65 miles) are as follows:
> Salsa Cowchipper 48cm (flared gravel drop)
> Velo Orange Grand Cru Randonneur bars 48cm (more traditional drop but with 
> a bit of flare and a very slight rise / sweep in the ramps)
> Jones Loop bars 66cm (adventure-style bar with a nice sweep)
>
> I've also used Tosco / Bosco style swept-back bars, but like you, around 
> 30 miles and I start to wish I had a different position.
>
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 3:25 PM Chris K  wrote:
>
>> Just a general question to the group: what handlebar do you like best for 
>> rides longer than say, 15 miles?
>>
>> I assume many of you would say drops. So to refine the question a bit, 
>> what non-drop bar do you like best for longer rides?
>>
>> Personally, almost all of my rides are in the 2-15 mile range. I run bike 
>> errands and/or commute by bike in the city most days, accounting for most 
>> of these miles. For this mileage and use, the Billie bar is a proven winner 
>> for me. However, this summer I took a few 20-30 mile rides further afield 
>> and felt myself wanting something different. Part of my problem is I only 
>> have one bike - an around-town errand bike that is being asked to go on 
>> longer rides on both pavement and gravel, and hills start to come into 
>> play. The other problem is I want to stick with MTB levers and shifters. I 
>> don't want to do a drop bar conversion. I did pick up both a Choco and a 
>> Wavie to try out. No significant miles ridden with them yet though.
>>
>> Anyway, I know it comes down to personal preference and many other 
>> factors. Nonetheless, I do wonder which of the Rivendell handlebars emerge 
>> as favorites for longer riding?
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Re: [RBW] Who is getting a Platypus?

[Doug H.]

I imagine quite a few have sold but Riv not being able to offer many 
complete builds may be reducing sales. Hopefully they can get caught up on 
the backlog of builds in the queue. And, the Rosco version of the Platypus 
was just released recently so that fulfilled some people's wish for a mixte 
type road bike.
Doug

On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 7:13:17 PM UTC-4 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:

> It would seem that demand is mirroring that of the housing market.  
> Decidedly cooler than 12 months ago when Platys and house listing were sold 
> out in mere hours. 
>
> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 2:34:14 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I think they will sell pretty quick but not as lightning fast as they did 
>> during the pandemic.
>> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 4:13:58 PM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>>> There is still one Rosco Plat in 60cm of each color available, so maybe 
>>> supply and demand are balancing out. At least for the taller folks. 
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 10, 2022, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 I can never tamp down my excitement over the Riv mixtes and have given 
 up trying. I’m SO excited that there is a paddle of Platypuses on the 
 water, heading to Rivendell as I type this. I remember the excitement of 
 the 2020 Platypuses (which were delivered in 2021); they were gone in 
 minutes. Heartbreak and jubilee ensued and then came the waiting. 

 But the wait is nearly over because the presale is the 19th. I’m keen 
 to know if these will sell out as quickly or if demand and availability 
 will have evened out by now. 

 Who is purchasing a Platypus? 

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Re: [RBW] Pair O’ Platys in the Fall Foliage

[Doug H.]

I too spend time looking at my Clem L. It is a 
handsome/pretty/sexy/striking bicycle. And, it rides so well! I honestly 
cannot decide whether I like the looks of the Clem L or the Platypus more. 
In my eyes, the Clem L is a touch more brawny looking which I do like so 
I'll go with the Clem L for the win. Rivendells and fall foliage are a 
perfect pairing.
Doug

On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 5:09:49 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Also the fall leaves are beautiful. Michigan looks like an amazing place 
> to live and ride. 
>
> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 8:53:06 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> "It’s such a delight to have a pretty bike to ride. I don’t care if 
>> that’s shallow."
>>
>> I have a pretty bike to ride as well and I'm proudly shallow about it. 
>> Don't hate me for being shallow!
>>
>> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 8:36:29 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> I see that my photos are flipped. I’ll try again:
>>> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg]
>>>
>>> [image: image3.jpeg][image: image4.jpeg][image: image5.jpeg][image: 
>>> image6.jpeg]
>>>
>>> On Oct 22, 2022, at 11:33 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I was on the most aimless ride today - one hour of pure gawking and 
>>> pedaling. The trees stood like colorful giants on the landscape. I could 
>>> not capture their loveliness on camera, but I tried. I started on my 
>>> mermaid Platy but eventually switched it out for the raspberry Platy 
>>> because it’s an equal opportunity Paddle of Platypuses around here. Those 
>>> bikes were so beautiful in today’s scenery. I could have stayed out all day 
>>> if not for pressing obligations.
>>>
>>>
>>> It’s such a delight to have a pretty bike to ride. I don’t care if 
>>> that’s shallow.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Betty Foy Sizing & Search

[Doug H.]

I agree the 50 cm Platypus would seem to be a fit. And, they are in stock 
as Leah said which is unusual as of late. Leah has shared her two builds, 
one fast and one for hauling stuff. They are so versatile!
Doug

On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 7:35:50 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> 55 Betty vs 55 Platypus
> [image: image0.png]
> [image: image1.jpeg]
>
> On Oct 24, 2022, at 7:22 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  
> wrote:
>
> I’m 5’6” and my Betty Foy was actually a 55. Riv changed the sizing over 
> the years; I think my Betty was in their final run. I think it will be 
> really hard to find that bicycle, but a 50 cm Platypus is a wonderful bike, 
> and it is available from Rivendell now. 
>
>
>
> On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 5:21:40 PM UTC-4 Jeffrey Arita wrote:
>
>> My wife had a 58cm Betty Foy.  She is about 5' - 6" tall and when we 
>> visited Rivendell, they advised that as her size.  We were a bit hesitant, 
>> but upon receiving the completed bike it fit her well since it is a 
>> step-through.  As noted, Riv recommended (at that time) Albatross 
>> handlebars - they come back toward the rider and it is nice and upright, so 
>> good fit is not too difficult.  Thus, I think your wife would fit a 52cm no 
>> problem.  My wife did use it for commuting purposes, too (until we plugged 
>> the plug).
>>
>> Yes, I think it might be a bit hard to find a Betty Foy.  Maybe the 
>> Platypus?
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Jeff
>> Claremont, CA
>>
>> On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 12:00:06 PM UTC-7 mmille...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I've been looking for a step-through for my wife. She specifically likes 
>>> a Betty Foy, but really anything "pretty" would work. She's not really in 
>>> to changing gears a lot, and this would also be for commuting and trail 
>>> rides <10 miles. Does this crew have any ideas/bikes?
>>>
>>> Also, it's tough to find sizing on the Betty Foy bikes. Does anyone have 
>>> old material or could chime in with their size? I've searched and searched, 
>>> but been coming up empty.
>>>
>>> She's 5'4" with a 77 PBH.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Matt in STL
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Philadelphia Bike Expo 2022

[Doug H.]

Thank you for sharing the Philly Bike Expo stories. I too liked the Carbon 
Guy story. He probably is telling folks about the Steel ladies he sat with 
and I wonder if he is rethinking his bike??? Doubt it but maybe he will 
give steel a try! Leah, you have a gift of writing! I feel like I was there 
almost. I rode this evening after work in what felt like London with the 
mist, cool damp air and swirling wind. The Clem made it fun and I covered 
28 miles with no discomfort at all. Steel is real and Rivendells are swell. 
haha
Doug

On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 4:09:47 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Such great stories and pics! I love Pam and The Carbon Guy, I could 
> picture the whole thing and hear it in Pam's voice, so delicious 😁👏👏👏
>
> You're so right about kickstands, I pulled mine off the custom for a while 
> in a ridiculous journey towards "make it lighter" and it was sheer misery. 
> The kickstand is back! 
>
> Joe Bernard 
> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 10:15:04 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> What Pam is not telling you is that I would have to figure out how to do 
>> it from her 2007 Apple iPod, with its geriatric operating system, lol! I 
>> did do a mini Instagram takeover of her account but gave up fairly soon 
>> because it was 1 am and also because it was WORK to post from that device! 
>> Pam, I know it might kill you to get an iPhone, but I think it might be 
>> time. 
>>
>> Glad your last night went well; next year just get a room with me and we 
>> can do all the IG takeovers and stay up too late and always have a riding 
>> partner to get to our room.
>>
>>
>> On Oct 31, 2022, at 1:08 PM, Pam Bikes  wrote:
>>
>> I have pictures but Leah will need to tell me how to post them.  And I'm 
>> at the airport.  Somehow I slept ok b/c I was so tired from the prior 
>> days.  So much fun!  
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 12:25:02 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> (Do not read until you watch the scandalous video Leah posted above.)
>>>
>>> Scandalous? Perhaps.  Or not.
>>>
>>>  I asked Will and he cannot get the seat high enough, so biking on those 
>>> “sucks the fun out of biking” city bikes hurt his knees with the saddle too 
>>> low, and one of those bikes in the video helps. James and Vince needed to 
>>> keep up. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 10:26:12 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 Scandalous video of the Rivendell staff:

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Re: [RBW] Re: Shimano Altus low range question

[Doug H.]

I have the newer, smaller pulley version of the Altus on my Clem and just 
installed a 7 speed 11-36 cassette and it works fine. My 9 speed topped out 
at 34 that I had on there stock.
Doug

On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 7:24:30 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> If we are talking about the cool looking big pulley Altus RD then I do 
> indeed have that rigged up on my Clem L with an 11-36 9 speed rear. No 
> roadlink used and no problems. Just works as-is. Not sure if it matters but 
> I am 1x with this setup so no triple up front but it does shift a 9 up to 
> 36.
>
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 6:10:03 PM UTC-4 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>
>> I switched wheelsets and forgot to switch out my 11-42 cassette and 
>> accidentally friction shifted my altus to 38-42 and it didn't explode. I 
>> think it has much more range than spec'd. I otherwise use 38/24 double with 
>> a 11-36 cassette normally. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 2:01:39 PM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the real world recommendation Dave!
>>>
>>> On Nov 1, 2022, at 1:59 PM, DavidP  wrote:
>>>
>>> In my experience you can usually expect to go a bit above stated max 
>>> cog. While the RD-M310 is rated to 34t, I would give it a go with a 36t.
>>> I have a bike with a Deore M531 (rated to 34t) shifting a 9 speed 40t.
>>> That said hangers can vary and if you find it's not quite there then a 
>>> short hanger extension (road link or similar) will get you there.
>>>
>>> -Dave
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 4:34:41 PM UTC-4 J Imler wrote:
>>>
 I don't think you'll have any problem, especially if you use a Wolftooth 
 Roadlink . May 
 not even be necessary though. I think I got a 42t low gear using said 
 setup, but that was an 8 speed.

 On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 1:23:29 PM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:

> HI Rivsters.
>
> I'm wondering if anyone has successfully shifted a 12-36 shimano 
> 9-speed cassette with an Altus RD?
>
> I currently have an altus, and like it well enough, but am using a 
> 44x30, 11-32 8 speed.
>
> The new setup would be a triple up front (48-34-24), and a 12-36. 
>
> According to Shimano, the Altus only shifts up to a 34 cog.
>
> Just wondering if any of you Rivsters have been able to shift lower 
> than that?
>
> I can hunt for another derailer if need be, but would much rather not. 
> I don't like the looks of the one Riv sells (Shimano Deore 592) because 
> it 
> doesn't have the barrel adjuster. I guess  could potentially go to the 
> Alvio, or the used market. I actually have a Deore something or other 
> which 
> does shift to 36, but it's R Rise, and I have never gotten used to the 
> reverse movement. Drives me mad!
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
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[RBW] Re: Perfect tires for Clem?

[Doug H.]

This doesn't answer your question or help really but I thought I'd share 
that I run Grand Bois Hetre 42 mm tires on my Clem L. I do road riding 
almost exclusively nowadays and they roll well. They even work on the wide 
Cliffhanger rims. It seems a Clem can be set up for many different tasks.
Doug

On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 4:39:38 PM UTC-4 J Imler wrote:

> I'm fond of Schwalbe Smart Sams in 55 sizing for all-purpose riding.
>
> [image: IMG-6906.jpg]
>
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 7:33:36 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> The impossible question, right? And when I read Riv's intro to their 
>> website tire offerings "we are not tire snobs" I almost feel guilty 
>> obsessing over such things. "Just ride", right? I want the "do it all" set 
>> of tires (aren't we all?). I have been quite happy with the Gravelking SS 
>> 650 x 48 tires for all road / gravel and mild trail conditions. On a single 
>> foray onto a truer singletrack they fell short in loose conditions and 
>> sandy corners. So after exhaustive research I am considering a 
>> Ultradynamica combo, Mars front / Rose' rear. Other contender  is Soma 
>> Cazadero. Naturally RH Untanum are a consideration but lack of side knobs 
>> are a concern. I had Fleecer Ridge tires on my Jones 29 and did not think 
>> the noise cancellation thing lived up to the hype - they were rather noisy 
>> on pavement especially compared to the Gravelkings. Speaking of the 
>> Gravelking, check out these pics. I was on a ride recently and felt a 
>> "lump" in the rear tire on pavement. It disappeared when the ride turned to 
>> dirt but was there again when I returned to pavement. when I got home all I 
>> could discern was a slightly raised football shaped bulge and it was worn 
>> smooth. Upon removal I was stunned by the amount of structural damage and 
>> the fact that I did not flat. I wonder if something like this qualifies as 
>> a defect? I will add the pics in a comment momentarily...
>
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Re: [RBW] First Ride of the Platypus

[Doug H.]

Nice build and ride report. I feel similarly about my Clem L in ride 
feeling and characteristics. It is long, upright and comfy. I call it my 
Clem Cruiser because I always feel like I'm cruising around on it. When 
someone asks what kind of bike I have I say an all-around cruiser. Not sure 
how to categorize it.
Doug

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 2:10:19 PM UTC-5 DavidP wrote:

> Thanks, Mike - I'm in Chelmsford (just south of Lowell). It's a pretty 
> standard NE suburban area but one thing this part of MA does well is having 
> lots of public "open space" land dotted throughout various towns. None of 
> them are very large but you can string them together and make some really 
> great loops.
>
> Thanks, Ryan - looking forward to seeing your wife's bike as it takes 
> shape (it looks great already) and hearing how she likes it!
>
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 2:03:58 PM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Beautiful bike!! And a great looking area to ride. Still waiting on parts 
>> to finish building up my wife’s Platy but I love seeing all the great 
>> builds and different riding areas. Enjoy!
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 10:47:27 AM UTC-8 mkernan...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Dave,  the Platy looks perfect!   Where do you live in Mass?The 
>>> riding looks great.   -Mike
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Nov 30, 2022, at 10:27 AM, DavidP  wrote:
>>>
>>> This morning I squeezed a quick ride in before work - a dangerous thing 
>>> with most any bike but, as I learned, especially so with the Platypus. A 
>>> short ride can feel like an appetizer and there is always the temptation to 
>>> eke out a few more miles.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I covered 12 miles of roads, bike paths, and multi-use trails that I've 
>>> been riding regularly in various loops for the past several years. I have 
>>> several bikes that are well suited to these types of mixed surface rides 
>>> and they all bring something different to the table. My Platypus is built 
>>> with these types of rides in mind with Cliffhanger rims, Gravel King 50mm 
>>> (rear) and Fleecer Ridge endurance 55mm (front) tires, and 650mm wide Tosco 
>>> bars.
>>>
>>> The Platypus is my first Rivendell and the first one I've ever ridden. 
>>> I've gotten a few short rides in before this one but those were mostly 
>>> about setup rather than riding. My goodness, what a bike it is. I guess the 
>>> best way to describe the ride could be "cruisy zoomy", it's a very easy 
>>> going yet zippy ride.
>>>
>>> It is supremely comfortable and can be a very upright cruiser, though 
>>> even when ridden this way feels responsive. My setup with a 120mm stem puts 
>>> me at a ~75 degree back angle with my hands fully rearward on the grips of 
>>> the Tosco bar, perfect for taking in the scenery and appearing approachable 
>>> when encountering dog walkers on multi-use trails.
>>>
>>> I spend most of my time with the heels of my palms on the front of the 
>>> grips, palms over the brake lever clamps, fingers either loosely draped 
>>> over or wrapped around the taped bends of the Tosco bar, giving about a 60 
>>> degree back angle. This is a good home base position for forward progress, 
>>> still balanced enough to not put noticeable pressure on the hands.
>>>
>>> Moving my hands a bit forward, resting the heels of my palms on the 
>>> brake lever clamps, and bending the elbows more gets me to a ~45 degree 
>>> back angle to stretch out a bit or get lower in the face of wind. The 
>>> forward flats of the bar are also usable when wanting to get to the same 
>>> angle with less elbow bend and is nice option on open road sections, though 
>>> I doubt I'll bother taping there.
>>>
>>> During standing efforts I can hold the bars back at the grips or up at 
>>> the bends - both positions work fine and I found myself doing both in 
>>> different places.
>>>
>>> In all positions the fit is roomy and the handling is responsive but not 
>>> twitchy.
>>>
>>> I still haven't installed a front derailleur but a 46x34 low gear is 
>>> enough to grunt up most of the short climbs on this route. I did opt to 
>>> walk one short and steep pitch on a trail rather than manually changing to 
>>> the 30t ring.
>>>
>>> I also haven't settled the front carrying method yet but am leaning 
>>> towards a 137 basket and bag. For this ride temps were in the upper 30Fs 
>>>  and wanting a place for a layer and extra pair of gloves, I borrowed the 
>>> Swift Catalyst from my wife's bike to hold those things and my pump. I do 
>>> plan on putting a bottle cage on the bike but the stem bag is a really 
>>> convenient spot for the primary water bottle.
>>>
>>> A fantastic first ride (including a deer sighting!) for a fantastic bike.
>>>
>>> I took a few photos to commemorate the occasion:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> (Our local open space stewards decorate trees throughout town lands this 
>>> time of year; it's kind of a scavenger hunt.)
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> (Excuse the po

[RBW] Front Derailer Adjustment

[Doug H.]

I want to tap into the collective knowledge here. I need to adjust my 
Shimano Deore front derailer on my Clem. It looks to be aligned properly. 
Is it proper to tighten the cable when the chain is on the small ring and 
largest rear cog? Should the H and L screws be all the way screwed in when 
I start the adjustment? I was able to get it to shift but the low screw is 
pretty much all the way out so it just seems to be off in some way. And, 
after a couple of rides it seems to come back out of adjustment. Any advice 
would be most appreciated. 
Doug

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Re: [RBW] Front Derailer Adjustment

[Doug H.]

Hey Scott,
I will do that. Thank you.
Doug

On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 2:46:56 PM UTC-5 Scott wrote:

> Also, you can hop onto the Shimano website and locate your FD model's 
> Service Instructions that will demonstrate step-by-step. I can send you the 
> link later.
>
> Scott 
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> On Sat, Dec 3, 2022 at 12:43 PM, Scott Luly
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> Have you tried the Park Tool website? They have some great videos for that.
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> Shimano Deore front derailer on my Clem. It looks to be aligned properly. 
> Is it proper to tighten the cable when the chain is on the small ring and 
> largest rear cog? Should the H and L screws be all the way screwed in when 
> I start the adjustment? I was able to get it to shift but the low screw is 
> pretty much all the way out so it just seems to be off in some way. And, 
> after a couple of rides it seems to come back out of adjustment. Any advice 
> would be most appreciated. 
> Doug
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Re: [RBW] Front Derailer Adjustment

[Doug H.]

That would be great. Thank you. I know it should be easy! And, if I learn 
to read instructions that would be most helpful. ;)
Doug

On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 3:24:21 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> I recently replaced the Deore on my Clem with a nearly identical XTR. Only 
> did so because it was cheap @ a tubeless tire explosion coated the Deore 
> with sealant. That stuff just will not come off!
> A way I had never installed / tuned one before. The supplied instructions 
> were very helpful - it was a cinch! If I can find those instruction I will 
> see if I can forward some pics. In the meantime, I think Shimano provides 
> access to these very same instructions on line.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 3, 2022, at 2:41 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>
> I want to tap into the collective knowledge here. I need to adjust my 
> Shimano Deore front derailer on my Clem. It looks to be aligned properly. 
> Is it proper to tighten the cable when the chain is on the small ring and 
> largest rear cog? Should the H and L screws be all the way screwed in when 
> I start the adjustment? I was able to get it to shift but the low screw is 
> pretty much all the way out so it just seems to be off in some way. And, 
> after a couple of rides it seems to come back out of adjustment. Any advice 
> would be most appreciated. 
> Doug
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[RBW] Re: Front Derailer Adjustment

[Doug H.]

John,
My chain ring is a double...38x24. I think it will work if I can get it 
adjusted. That is some good information though and I will keep it in mind. 
The collective knowledge here in this group is a fantastic resource.
Doug

On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 8:47:45 PM UTC-5 John Hawrylak wrote:

> Doug
>
> It sounds like the FD does not move far enough to the inside to shift to 
> the granny of a triple with the low adjustment screw all the way out.  A 
> possibility is your FD is designed for a front chain line greater than you 
> actual front chain line.   FD have about 20mm of sideway motion and if the 
> front chain lines are mismatched AND the crank ring spacing is > 5mm, the 
> FD can move to the granny.
>
> Suggestion:
> Measure the front chain line to the middle chain ring and compare it to 
> the design value for the FD
> Measure the front chain line of the granny ring.  If the middle - granny 
> is > 5mm (like 7 to 8 mm on a Sugino XD/TD crank you may have a problem.
>
> Possible solution:  Get an old triple FD designed for a 45 mm front chain 
> line, like a FD-MT-60 form the 80's.  I bought a Sora FD-3030b (9spd) with 
> a FCL of 45m and it shifts a Sugino TD-2 46-36-26 with problem.  The 
> XT-FD-M781-AX6S had a FCL of about 50mm and could not shift to the 28T 
> granny.  TD-2 ring spacing is 8mm Outer to Middle and 5mm Inner to Small.  
>  I bought the Sora from Universal Cycles  for $34.88.  My FD-MT60 also 
> shifted it fine, part of a Biopace crank on a 88 Schwinn Voyaguer.
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
> On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 2:41:41 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> I want to tap into the collective knowledge here. I need to adjust my 
>> Shimano Deore front derailer on my Clem. It looks to be aligned properly. 
>> Is it proper to tighten the cable when the chain is on the small ring and 
>> largest rear cog? Should the H and L screws be all the way screwed in when 
>> I start the adjustment? I was able to get it to shift but the low screw is 
>> pretty much all the way out so it just seems to be off in some way. And, 
>> after a couple of rides it seems to come back out of adjustment. Any advice 
>> would be most appreciated. 
>> Doug
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Front Derailer Adjustment

[Doug H.]

Ray,
Excellent idea about adjusting before installing the chain. That makes 
sense. I think I was able to get my FD adjusted. It is working well so far. 
Thanks all for your help.
Doug

On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 11:10:46 PM UTC-5 Ray Varella wrote:

> I’ve always done my initial  derailer adjustments before I install the 
> chain. 
> Front and rear both get installed and before the cable is connected I 
> adjust the limit screw so that the front’s cage is centered on the small 
> ring and the rear pulleys are centered on the small cog. 
> Then I install the cables  and take up the slack, cinch the cable, run 
> through the range of motion a few times to set the housing in the 
>  ferrules. 
> Then check the slack. 
> Next, install the chain and run through the gears being careful not to run 
> the chain into the spokes. 
>
> Like Joe said, it can take a bot of fine tuning to get things perfect so I 
> take my screwdriver and Allen wrench on a test ride. 
> Getting the gross adjustment really close will minimize the fine tuning. 
>
> Ray “also self taught many decades ago“  Varella
>
> On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 6:03:25 PM UTC-8 J J wrote:
>
>> Joe, you’re incredibly generous with your knowledge and experience. Thank 
>> you!! I’ve learned so much from your contributions to this community, and I 
>> very much appreciate the basics, too. The deeper I get into working on my 
>> bikes myself, the more I understand that 1) the notion of bike “standards” 
>> is hilarious and 2) what might be obvious to one person is not at all 
>> obvious to another. Everyone starts somewhere. You’re a great teacher, and 
>> you instruct with humor and kindness. 
>>
>> On Dec 3, 2022, at 20:22, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> I do what I can, Scott! Just don't ask me how to bleed hydraulic brakes 
>> or set sag on a suspension fork. I barely know what those words even mean 😬
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 5:13:43 PM UTC-8 Scott wrote:
>>
>>> Joe,
>>>
>>> I appreciate the error on overshare/overstate philosophy.  I'm happy to 
>>> discard what I already know and treasure hunt for what I don't know.
>>>
>>> I'm more likely to get annoyed with a lack of explanation/clarification 
>>> than too much.
>>>
>>> I'm here to learn, not show what I know.
>>>
>>> My knowledge toolbox has grown - plenty of which from you - in the short 
>>> time I've been in the group.
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
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>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 3, 2022 at 5:00 PM, Doug Hansford
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> It may be obvious to some but I appreciate the detail. 
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Dec 3, 2022, at 6:11 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> Apologies to anyone who thinks I'm explaining the obvious, I've learned 
>>> over the years to start at "explain everything, assume nothing" and it's 
>>> served me well. And as I said in my first post, I'm probably doing it all 
>>> wrong! 😬
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 2:52:07 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>> Trial and error bro! Basically you need the range of motion between L 
>>> and H to cover the chainrings, and the cable pinched down so the shifter 
>>> will move the cage through that range.
>>>
>>> If the shifter starts slipping you'll need to crank down on the bolt 
>>> there. Silver thumbies have a little ring you turn, SunRace/Microshift use 
>>> a hex bolt. 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 2:26:30 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
>>> Joe these are excellent instructions. My mistake is not leaving the 
>>> cable loose when adjusting the low limit. Thanks!!
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Dec 3, 2022, at 5:00 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> Of course I forget something. The cable gets tightened down (after the 
>>> L setting is done) with the shifter in its most forward position, the cable 
>>> is let out as much as it will go. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 1:57:41 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>> The way I do it was self-taught decades ago and no

Re: [RBW] Re: Front Derailer Adjustment

[Doug H.]

Garth,
I need to heed this advice and more so this attitude! My frustration might 
have lead to a few choice words during the process but finally getting it 
right is satisfying and gratifying. All hail the bicycle for its simplicity 
and intricacy all at the same time.
Doug

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 7:13:33 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> I was all set to write about doing it this way or that way, but honestly, 
> I've never done it the same way twice as each and every "situation" is 
> different. Just like reading and writing this, I can't say there is any 
> prescribed way to do it, it rather "just happens" spontaneously and 
> creatively, and it's Wonderfull ! 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillbornes

[Doug H.]

I agree with Joe on this one. If a mixte/step-thru isn't for you then the 
Sam seems to be a great option. Those lugs and those colors are nice.
Doug

On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 8:17:13 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> It will sell well but I don't think we are going to see immediate sell 
> outs on anything the way it had been happening.
>
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 12:52:36 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Yep. The folks who will never ride a mixte/step-thru haven't had a lugged 
>> Riv on the block in quite a while and these colors are spectacular. Don't 
>> doddle! 
>>
>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:41:51 PM UTC-8 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Do you folks think they will sell out quickly ?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 12:30 PM J S  wrote:
>>>
 Paul, my custom was 56cm measured by Grant, my Hillborne is 51cm and 
 fits as it should.  

 On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 2:56 PM Paul Clifton  
 wrote:

> I'm not looking to buy a Sam, but I just glanced at the size chart on 
> Instagram, and, wow, the sizing has changed dramatically over the years. 
> My 
> PBH is 82cm. That puts me on a 51cm Sam for this current batch. When I 
> test 
> rode one of the originals with caliper brakes, it was a 56cm I believe, 
> and 
> it fit perfectly. I haven't kept up with the geometry changes, but I'd 
> really like to see what it's like to ride a 51cm frame and be at the top 
> end of a size range for once. I bet the reach would be sublime.
>
> Paul in AR
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 1:47:53 PM UTC-6 Houston Wilson wrote:
>
>> Hi Bill,
>>
>> I'd love the catalog!! 
>> Houston Wilson
>> Los Angeles, CA
>>
>> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 8:16:50 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> For the voracious and anxious waiters of shipping containers:  I've 
>>> stumbled upon a Rivendell Sam Hillborne catalog.  It's from one of the 
>>> sidepull brake variants of the Sam Hillborne.  If anybody wants it, let 
>>> me 
>>> know and I can mail it to whomever.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 7:04:00 AM UTC-8 jak...@me.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Anxiously awaiting the new Sams to land on our shores and am 
 obsessing over the potential build.  Perusing these pages with all of 
 your 
 experiences have really helped.  I thought the lime olive was for me 
 until 
 I saw the early photos of the HiHo Silver.  Smitten.

 Anyone going in on these?  I feel like I am on baby watch!

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Roaduno Dropouts

[Doug H.]

I agree Bill. Grant is designing a single speed frame with some added 
features for adaptation by the owner. You could readily convert your 
current Rivendell with 135mm spacing to single speed and that has been done 
and shared here. I am eagerly anticipating the release of the Roaduno and 
have been slowly acquiring parts.
Doug

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 6:28:13 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I (for one) will expect 120mm O.L.D. The one and only reason to move to 
> 135mm is so folks can use the wheels they have laying around for free. 
>
> 120mm is the right O.L.D. for an actual single speed-OR-a modest 
> multispeed. 
>
> On Fri, Dec 9, 2022 at 11:42 AM Shoji Takahashi  
> wrote:
>
>> Hi JL:
>> Hooded dropouts like these are sometimes referred to as Breezer-style, as 
>> Joe Breeze used them in his MTB. (IIRC, they predate Breeze, though.)
>>
>> Hooded style has advantages for builders and Riv: this one can be used at 
>> many different angles. Vertical dropouts, like on my Toyo AHH, have a fixed 
>> angle. As the frame size changes, the chain-stay to seat-stay angle needs 
>> to change (or the frame designer will have to compromise by changing stay 
>> lengths).
>>
>> Hooded style also can be welded (and brazed, I assume), which might offer 
>> flexibility in manufacture. Might permit a cheaper frame-construction 
>> option? The width probably offers a stiffness advantage, but I don't know 
>> how significant or important that might be.
>>
>> shoji
>> arlington ma
>>
>> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 11:20:39 AM UTC-5 J L wrote:
>>
>>> Can someone tell me the purpose of the hoods on dropouts like these? 
>>> They are referred to as Breezer style, right? 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Timeline - it's happening!

[Doug H.]

Joe, we now all know you can only ride singletrack on a full suspension 
bike with a dropper post nowadays...everything else is underbiking. Ha, I 
write in jest. The Rivendell timeline is neat to see. Most of the names on 
the list are fantastic names for bikes!

On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 6:24:05 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Then there's the pre-Rivendell timeline which has an article in a 
> Bridgestone catalogue by Chris Kostman about "underbiking"..he was riding 
> an RB-1 with skinny slicks on singletrack. Which Grant design is a 
> Hillibike? All of them! 😂
>
> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 2:44:53 PM UTC-8 Slin wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I totally agree that the bikes have been categorized different ways 
>> over the years. I quickly threw the spreadsheet together and thought I was 
>> using the categories on the current rivbike.com - 'Roadish' , 'Touring & 
>> Trailish', and 'Comboish - Country Bikes'.  The names are different, but 
>> that's what I was thinking. Clicking through there, the Atlantis and 
>> Appaloosa are in the 'Touring/Trailish' category.
>>
>> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:02:04 AM UTC-8 brendonoid wrote:
>>
>>> Oh, this is exciting!
>>> I think Grant has/had the all-rounder category between the hillibikes 
>>> and the country bikes. So the Atlantis/Appaloosa was an all-rounder whilst 
>>> the Sam/Homer was a country bike.
>>> Unfortunately the nomenclature has been somewhat fluid along with the 
>>> concepts of what certain models can and should do. Overlap all over the 
>>> place, makes categorizing super hard.
>>>
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[RBW] WTB: Roadini

[Doug H.]

Does anyone have a 54 cm Roadini they would like to sell? I'm thinking of 
setting one up as a single speed.
Doug

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Roadini

[Doug H.]

I just saw your for sale post. Looks nice, I'll send you a message.
Doug

On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 12:28:56 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:

> Jonathan,
> That might work. Can you send me details and photos in a private message?
> Doug
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 8, 2023, at 12:26 PM, Jonathan D.  wrote:
>
> I have a 54 for sale but it's complete. 
>
>
>
> On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 6:32:43 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have a 54 cm Roadini they would like to sell? I'm thinking of 
>> setting one up as a single speed.
>> Doug
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[RBW] Re: FS: Roadini 54 $1400

[Doug H.]

Does the stem length work better with the drops?
Doug

On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 12:29:41 PM UTC-5 Jonathan D. wrote:

> Bump. It does have drop bars.
>
> On Thursday, September 30, 2021 at 12:27:15 PM UTC-7 Jonathan D. wrote:
>
>> I might try to switch it to drops this weekend or next.  I appreciate the 
>> advice Bill.  The stem is also currently to long for the Albastasche.  
>>
>> A couple of questions that came up:
>>
>> The bike pictured currently has 38 mm Rene Here (Compass) tires.  I think 
>> it could easily fit 33s with Fenders.
>> My PBH is 85 and the bike fits well but on the small end for me.  My 58 
>> Ram fits bigger.  
>>
>> On Monday, September 27, 2021 at 10:40:07 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> It looks like the Roadini has TRP RRL brakelevers on it.  Setting up 
>>> brake levers on Albastache (and similar) handlebars is a touch tricky, and 
>>> 'ergonomic' brake levers like the RRLs are in a way worse for Albastache 
>>> type bars, in my opinion.  They flare "out" on drop bars and make them 
>>> easier to grab from a couple different positions on drop bars.  When you 
>>> put them on Albastache bars, they now flare "up" which is weird on the 
>>> wrists.  
>>>
>>> I use SRAM brake levers on Albastache bars, and on a whim, I set them up 
>>> swapped.  Trade them left with right and now the lever blades flare "down" 
>>> and it's a lot better grab.  Since the bars are not taped in the photos, 
>>> I'd recommend your prospective buyer flip them.  If you want to do your 
>>> buyer a favor and want to have a small project, try them swapped.  
>>>
>>> The place the cables exit the levers is now 'on top' which is a little 
>>> unusual, but in my opinion that's fine.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 4:52:12 PM UTC-7 Jonathan D. wrote:
>>>
 [image: IMG_3323.jpeg]


 I am selling my 54 Roadini.  It was just built up and a great bike.  I 
 just don't need it. I  would love to sell locally in Portland Oregon.  It 
 has a different seat.  Might be open for a trade but not sure if I need 
 another bike. I didn't tape the bars because if I keep it I'll switch the 
 bars.


 2x9 setup 

 Sugino Crankset

 Dura-ace Rear Deraileur

 Sun Tour Front

 Dura Ace Bar end Shifters

 Nitro Stem 

 Origen Brakes

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[RBW] Re: Mermaid Platypus bar tape match help

[Doug H.]

Tom,
I think the black looks great with the frame color. Have you considered 
adding a splash of color with colored chainring bolts and/or colored crank 
bolt cap?
Doug

On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 10:05:40 AM UTC-5 Tom Palmer wrote:

> Hi all,
> Swapped the seatpost, brake levers, and stem adapter for more black. 
> Ordered some Grey Newbaums and will wrap when it comes in and decide on 
> shellach then.
> here is a picture of almost latest build, I took the front basket off and 
> have a repurposed military surplus bag on the handlebars. Rode this morning 
> with the front bag and handled a little better than with basket, I will be 
> keeping it for now at least.
> Thanks again for the ideas,
> Tom
>
> On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 6:42:14 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I just noticed on the Campandgoslow website that both tapes are 
>> restocked. ..
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA. 
>>
>> On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 3:38:59 PM UTC-8 Kim Hetzel wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Tom,
>>>
>>> May I suggest this bar tape:
>>> https://www.campandgoslow.com/product/eastern-rattler-bar-tape
>>> If you are unable to find it, PM me and I will tell you where.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have the Western Rattler bar tape on my Clem Smith Jr. "L" bike. It 
>>> looks really cool. Today, I wrapped the handlebars of the same tape. 
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel
>>> Yelm, WA. 
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 2:57:20 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Tom, 

 I'm with Leah on this, but I'm biased towards the "let's throw more 
 color at it!" vibe on her bikes. Back in the day when I rode them I liked 
 a 
 dropbsr bike to have a big smashing color for the bar wrap that didn't 
 really match anything else on the frame; I think liime on the front of an 
 otherwise mermaid/black Platy would be sweet. 

 Joe Bernard 

 On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 2:03:38 PM UTC-8 Tom Palmer wrote:

> Thanks for the ideas. I like the grey bar wrap - the pedals are grey 
> and it looks nice with the mermaid. I will have  it way more blacked out 
> soon- seat post, headset, and brake levers.  
> Looking forward to some wrench time tomorrow,
> Tom
>  
>
> On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 4:09:02 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:
>
>> I go with Eric.  I tried to match blue cable housing with the blue on 
>> a Homer.  It didn’t quite work (photo)
>> Meanwhile the black of the seat, fenders, front drive, all looked 
>> pretty good.
>> If I had it to do it over I’d put black cable housing ends on grey 
>> cable housing on that build.
>> On our mermaid Platy I’ll use silver housing ends on grey housing and 
>> see how that looks.
>> Love Eric’s light grey Newbaum’s with the grey housing.
>>
>>
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[RBW] WTB: Albatross Bar and Dirt Drop Stem

[Doug H.]

I'm thinking of changing handlebars on my Clem. I really, really like the 
Tosco bars but they come back a smidge too far and I already have a long 
stem Nitto Tallux 11 cm. The other change I want to make is to install bar 
end shifters so with this setup I need the bars a little more forward. I 
find myself always gripping the Tosco bars a couple of inches forward on 
the grips. I think the Dirt Drop stem will keep the Albatross bars higher 
like the Tosco bars and the Albatross give me a more forward position. If 
you have Albatross and/or a Dirt Drop stem for sale please let me know. 
Otherwise, I will order new from Rivendell.
Thanks,
Doug
Athens, Ga.

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Albatross Bar and Dirt Drop Stem

[Doug H.]

Thanks for the responses so far. This evening I had the idea to cut my 
Tosco bars a smidge shorter since they are a smidge too long. Has anyone 
done this and if so would I still be able to use bar-end shifters? My 
assumption is that the bar diameter is consistent at least for the 30 mm or 
so I plan to cut from each end. I'm not sold on this option so if I get a 
deal on an Albatross bar I will go that route and leave the Tosco bars 
unaltered.
Doug

On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 10:48:12 AM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:

> I'm thinking of changing handlebars on my Clem. I really, really like the 
> Tosco bars but they come back a smidge too far and I already have a long 
> stem Nitto Tallux 11 cm. The other change I want to make is to install bar 
> end shifters so with this setup I need the bars a little more forward. I 
> find myself always gripping the Tosco bars a couple of inches forward on 
> the grips. I think the Dirt Drop stem will keep the Albatross bars higher 
> like the Tosco bars and the Albatross give me a more forward position. If 
> you have Albatross and/or a Dirt Drop stem for sale please let me know. 
> Otherwise, I will order new from Rivendell.
> Thanks,
> Doug
> Athens, Ga.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Albatross Bar and Dirt Drop Stem

[Doug H.]

That does make sense and I hadn't considered it. Hmmm. I'm thinking cutting
a perfectly good handlebar is not the best option. Thanks Joe.

On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 8:52 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Do the Toscos have that thinner section in the ends for bar-ends, or does
> it look like the same diameter all the way down to the first curve? If it's
> a dedicated section them you'll have to make sure you don't cut too far
> into it. (Holler at me on text if this doesn't make sense, I'm probably not
> explaining it well)
>
> On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 5:30:04 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the responses so far. This evening I had the idea to cut my
>> Tosco bars a smidge shorter since they are a smidge too long. Has anyone
>> done this and if so would I still be able to use bar-end shifters? My
>> assumption is that the bar diameter is consistent at least for the 30 mm or
>> so I plan to cut from each end. I'm not sold on this option so if I get a
>> deal on an Albatross bar I will go that route and leave the Tosco bars
>> unaltered.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 10:48:12 AM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> I'm thinking of changing handlebars on my Clem. I really, really like
>>> the Tosco bars but they come back a smidge too far and I already have a
>>> long stem Nitto Tallux 11 cm. The other change I want to make is to install
>>> bar end shifters so with this setup I need the bars a little more forward.
>>> I find myself always gripping the Tosco bars a couple of inches forward on
>>> the grips. I think the Dirt Drop stem will keep the Albatross bars higher
>>> like the Tosco bars and the Albatross give me a more forward position. If
>>> you have Albatross and/or a Dirt Drop stem for sale please let me know.
>>> Otherwise, I will order new from Rivendell.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Doug
>>> Athens, Ga.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: A report on my new leather saddle

[Doug H.]

Kim,
There is nothing better than a saddle that works for you. From your photo I 
can see that the Selle Anotomica truly does have a hammock shape, much 
different from a Brooks. I'm happy so far with my Brooks B17 but it is good 
to know there are leather options in the market.
Doug

On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 1:17:01 AM UTC-5 JAS wrote:

> Kim,
> Way to go!  Congrats on getting the saddle you wanted.  It's always a 
> bonus to get a piece of gear that makes riding a pleasure.  Many miles to 
> you!
>
> --Joyce
>
> On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 8:48:16 PM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Yesterday, I received in the mail from a purchase I made from a RBW 
>> member a Selle Anotomica H1 black gun metal leather saddle. He gave me a 
>> real good deal on it. It had not been ridden with some blemishes on the 
>> saddle. This is my first Selle Anatomica saddle. 
>>
>> My Brooks B67S saddle was hurting my seat bones. Have I become older ? 
>> ...or has my butt gotten more bony ? I rode 14 miles last week. I had to 
>> stop occasionally and rest. Needless to say, it was very annoying. 
>>
>> Today, I hung up the Brooks saddle. I installed my Selle Anatomica H1 
>> saddle on my PAUL Tall & Handsome seat post. Test rode the saddle to dial 
>> it in to my comfort between my garage and up and down the street about six 
>> or seven times. 
>>
>> Guess what ? it truly is a "hammock for my butt" !  
>>
>> It is quite comfortable. I think I can see myself riding longer distances 
>> with more smiles.
>>
>> Less rain in the forecast for next week. Time to ride more.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA. 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Help me ID these bars

[Doug H.]

I want some Nitti bars! Heck, I want Nitti everything! lol

On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 11:20:46 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Nitto, not Nitti. Every sentence I've typed on every platform today has 
> had a typo. I give up! 😣
>
> On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 8:06:03 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Looks like Riv Nitti Albatross. 
>> [image: Screenshot_20230118_200520.jpg]
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 7:55:02 PM UTC-8 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>
>>> What bars are these?  Thanks in advance.[image: IMG_2177.JPG][image: 
>>> IMG_2180.JPG]
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: CyclingSavvy Zoom presentation

[Doug H.]

Pam,
This is fantastic. I am sure many folks rode bicycles as children and young 
adults, then stopped riding. Your video on your site speaks to this! All 
they need is a little training and confidence to get back on a bike.
Doug

On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 2:28:10 PM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote:

> For all those curious about CyclingSavvy, I've added a classroom only 
> option which is done via Zoom so anyone can participate.  I'll post the 
> link at the end. 
>
>  Other than my Riv Betty Foy, it's the one thing I use everyday.  
> CyclingSavvy teaches you how to mitigate risks and teaches you how to be 
> visible, relevant and predictable.  
>
> If you're unsure if you really want to register, send me an email.  I'll 
> send you a link so you can listen in for the first hour to see if you want 
> to stick around for the rest.  And if you ever want to come to Charlotte, 
> NC for the on bike sessions, I'll loan you a Betty Foy or Cheviot.  Riding 
> your bike should be fun and this may help take some of the fear out of some 
> of your rides.  CyclingSavvy can take you from fear to freedom.
>
> https://cyclingsavvy.org/organizer/pamela-murray-2/
>
> Picture from the other day when I helped a friend move his Chumba Sendero 
> TI mtb to his storage unit.  [image: chumba.jpg]
>

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[RBW] Re: Sam 51cm rough draft

[Doug H.]

Elegant bicycle that Sam. Which handlebars, crankset, and wheels do you 
have on it?
Doug

On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 4:14:05 PM UTC-5 Shoji Takahashi wrote:

> Looks great! For me, it'd be a tough wait... 
>
> On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 11:12:23 AM UTC-5 cramer@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Still waiting on  pieces and parts.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Appaloosa Build Opinions

[Doug H.]

Nice build. Off-topic alert. I recently changed my Clem to 1x and am using 
a 40T chainring and 11-48 cassette. I never use the 48 and think I could 
easily have gone with a 11-42. I'm interested to find out how you do on 
steep inclines with the 42/36 low gear with this setup.
Thanks,
Doug

On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 6:37:17 PM UTC-4 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:

> Well, if we’re sharing pictures. I don’t have any glamor shots yet but 
> here’s what I’ve got right now (pardon the messy house, just moved).
>
> From back to front:
> * Velocity Cliffhanger rear wheel with Velo-Orange hub
> * 10spd 11-36 cassette
> * Deore derailleur 
> * Shimano Alivio T4000 v-brakes
> * B17 saddle w/ Randy Joe Fab waxed canvas cover
> * Kaloy seatpost 
> * Velo-Orange 1x crank with 42T ring
> * 60mm stem
> * Velo-Orange Rando bars
> * Grepp bar cotton wrap
> * Tektro aero levers
> * Velo-Orange rack
> * Cliffhanger rim, Shutter Precision PD-8 hub
>
> Riding on 29x2.2 SimWorks Super Yummy tires
> Bag by The Spindle ATL.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 29, 2023 at 6:16 PM Stephen  wrote:
>
>> I'm a joe appaloosa rider and I've had mine set up at different times 
>> with: Loscos, Riv Bullmoose, Nitto B802AA, and currently its got the 
>> classic albatross.
>>
>> [image: appaloosa.jpg]
>> Pic for reference because all threads need bike pictures :)
>>
>> I'm going to be devil's advocate and support shortening the stem and 
>> making your drops work. 
>>
>>- First off its the most affordable and quickest solution, granted 
>>you are pleased with all other aspects of the handlebar setup. Also, you 
>>can get a pretty good idea of how much to shorten your stem since its the 
>>only variable changing. 
>>- Secondly, I selfishly want to see some more drop bar set up 
>>appaloosas. It seems really rare to do so, but lately I've been thinking 
>> it 
>>could work really well on the bike. I've seen more modern atlantis' with 
>>drops, and if anything the Joe is a slightly more road oriented version 
>> of 
>>that bike. List member Takahashi's Hunqapillar set up with drops also 
>> comes 
>>to mind.
>>- Thirdly, I don't think the Joe is so super long that it needs to be 
>>dedicated to swept back bars. This depends on your body's relation to 
>> your 
>>frame size of course, but on my 60cm, loscos + 11cm stem felt too 
>>short/cramped. For myself I've realized that if I go with swept back bars 
>> I 
>>need ones that sweep forward too, like the albatross.
>>
>> Another opinion with regards to albastache/mustache bars: if you are 
>> thinking of running them with flat bar type levers I'd say scrap that idea 
>> and just get albatrosses. thats a case of using something in a way it 
>> wasn't designed to be used and i think youd be happier with albatrosses. I 
>> have a set of albastache and I'd say it works best with the classic road 
>> brake lever setup and bar end shifters, or possibly bar end brake levers. 
>> and as previously stated they require a slightly shorter stem than an 
>> equivalent drop bar setup.
>>
>> And finally, to devil's advocate my devil's advocate... Rivendells are 
>> such fun bikes to experiment with different setups on. I love playing 
>> around with different handlebars and parts to spice up my bike and make it 
>> feel new again. Different handlebars are better at different things, and 
>> I've learned theres no perfect pick. I'm always gonna be swapping 
>> handlebars, sometimes to meet a certain situation, or just because I'm 
>> bored. if swept backs are calling your name, you might as well answer (i 
>> vote albatross or billie). 
>> On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 4:48:01 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> I take all claims of a certain frame supposedly being designed for a 
>>> certain type of bar with a grain of salt as there are endless variables 
>>> that come in to play. The first is the rider themselves, not just body 
>>> proportions but flexibility, core strength and their ability to ride in a 
>>> position suitable for them. Same with bars and stems, none are limited to 
>>> or by each other, a given frame or rider. It's really up to the rider to 
>>> play around with their bike as no one else experiences your bike from your 
>>> unique perspective. I realize this is a online group to talk about stuff 
>>> and throw ideas around though, so playing a game of "what if" inevitable. 
>>>
>>> All that said, I looked at the geo charts @ bikeinsights and I don't see 
>>> the Appa as being particularly long in reach at all. I compared it to a 
>>> bike I have, a 60 Bomba, and a road frame I do not have, the Sam. the sizes 
>>> can be changed of course. The Bomba has 24mm reach than a Appa to for me 
>>> running a drop bar would be easy. Ted says the reach was too far, but I'd 
>>> want to know if the saddles were int he same relative position ? The Appa 
>>> has a 71.5d STA and the Bomba a 72. That equates to about a 6.5mm 
>>> difference. So if you didn't know 

[RBW] Re: Clem is mine!

[Doug H.]

Gina,
That is awesome! I love my Clem for all kinds of riding but most of my 
miles are on asphalt. I'll be looking forward to hearing how this bike 
compares to others you've ridden. To me the Clem has a unique ride quality 
that no other bike offers although I've not ridden many other Rivendell 
models.
Doug
Athens, Ga

On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 3:41:43 PM UTC-4 Gina wrote:

> Hello, all!
> After a few years lurking here and searching for a Riv, I have finally got 
> my hands on a lime olive Clem L. I originally wanted a Platypus but, alas, 
> the smallest frame is too large but I am thrilled with Clem.
>
> I had Jimmy of Fabrica de Rosas build up my bike and am so happy with how 
> it turned out. At just about 5'1", I have never had a bike fit me until now 
> and I can say that riding a bike that fits is an absolute pleasure!! 
> Gina
>
> [image: Screen Shot 2023-06-29 at 12.33.57 PM.png]
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: To trade or sell or improve, my 50cm 1988 Bridgestone MB-1

[Doug H.]

Just to note, obviously, the Happy Stem is threadless so you would need a 
quill to threadless adapter.
Doug

On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 3:17:45 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> I have a similar issue on a Wabi Thunder and installed a Velo Orange Happy 
> Stem to get my handlebars higher. It works really well. Another option I 
> may try (because I can't stop tinkering) is the Velo Orange Klunker bar.
>
> [image: IMG_0181.jpeg]
>
> Doug
>
> On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 1:50:11 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> This was on a NORBA-type ~19-20 inch c-c 26-er frame.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 11:47 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> ...  I used a 10 cm to get a Noodle high enough and close enough for a 
>>> road-bike-like position despite very low stack, truncated steerer, top tube 
>>> about 2-2.5 mm too long (58.4 cm versus 56 to 57 cm), and a short arm/long 
>>> torso build; and I had considerable quill left over.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

[Doug H.]

This paragraph is from Will's recent email... If this sounds like what 
you're looking for then I say buy one. 

"Yes, the Roadini is heavier than a carbon frame, but, and even though it's 
a cliche phrase at this point, *it rides light* and I don't care if I'm two 
minutes slower than my alternate-universe self who rides a carbon bike. I 
still feel fast on it, and I'm not racing anybody anyway, even myself. My 
bike priorities are safety, comfort, reliability, and the ability to 
stretch the bike beyond it's stated purpose. Most of you aren't able to 
come test ride one before you buy, but those that do invariably say 
something like, "it's faster than I thought it would be!". It's always been 
more about the rider than the frame, but I know what they mean."

Doug


On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 9:14:40 PM UTC-4 brenton...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I have really fallen for these luscious new Roadini builds I've seen at 
> Riv and Blue Lug.
>
> I have a Sam Hillborne and love it. It's been through several iterations 
> of cockpit/racks/bags/brakes/wheels/tires and all have been really fun. 
> Right now it has flat bars with sweep, chunky 47mm tires, and is an 
> excellent all around adventure/trail/camping ride. It's currently my only 
> bike!
>
> Before the Sam, I rode 90s road bikes exclusively for 20 years, and those 
> worked great for city/commuting/neighborhood/pub rides. I've heard that the 
> Roadini does NOT offer that kind of 
> ride/speed/feel/handling/gusto/whatever, from several folks in this group.
>
> So am I fooling myself into thinking another $2500 Riv build is going to 
> scratch the itch? Or should I buy a <$500 Japanese Road Bike that can hold 
> 33s and actually feel some performance?
>

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Re: [RBW] 26.8 seatposts with generous setback

[Doug H.]

Garth,
I may try bars with less reach than my Tosco bars to do just what you're 
suggesting. I don't want to sit farther back and change the angle of my 
legs to pedals. Would you say the Albatross bars have less way back than 
the Toscos?
Doug

On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 6:09:02 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:

> Leah, Why is it you believe you need more setback in the first place ?  
> Compared to the Betty you had with it's 72 degree seat tube angle, the 
> Clems are a more shallow 71.5, which equates to the same saddle and post 
> capable of setting further back by about 6.5mm.  As I've already expressed, 
> if it's forward reach you want going backwards is going in the wrong 
> direction. A longer stem and/or less swept back bars are called for. It 
> seems most riders here asking for more setback ride wayback swept bars. 
> Well that's the issue, that they are too far back, not the setback of the 
> saddle. Get the saddle in an optimal place first, then deal with the reach.
>
> From my experience, being too far back of the pedals and too upright 
> doesn't allow for the most efficient use of leg/core strength. It becomes 
> rather a viscious and futile cycle of trying to compensate for something 
> that can't be compensated for. Been there and done it, in all futility. 
> With the saddle in an optimal position and a forward lean, all of that 
> simply isn't. 
>
> A sure sign of being too far back in the saddle is when climbing. If I'm 
> too far back, I either HAVE to stand to maintain any sort of momentum, or 
> sit and grind in futility where no low gear seems low enough because I'm 
> too far back. Maintaining a fluid spin is impossible. Standing does what ? 
> Places me over the BB, in the optimal "power band". Gee, maybe I ought to 
> been seated further forward to begin with ! ((( laughing )))  In moving 
> saddle forward to an optimal place, hark . I find myself able to 
> effectively and efficiently stay seated on climbs, always "on top" of the 
> pedals, even if really steep, and it's marvelous !
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] 26.8 seatposts with generous setback

[Doug H.]

I should have said more reach than my Toscos? I want bars that come back 
slightly less.
Doug

On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 4:16:27 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> Garth,
> I may try bars with less reach than my Tosco bars to do just what you're 
> suggesting. I don't want to sit farther back and change the angle of my 
> legs to pedals. Would you say the Albatross bars have less way back than 
> the Toscos?
> Doug
>
> On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 6:09:02 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>
>> Leah, Why is it you believe you need more setback in the first place ?  
>> Compared to the Betty you had with it's 72 degree seat tube angle, the 
>> Clems are a more shallow 71.5, which equates to the same saddle and post 
>> capable of setting further back by about 6.5mm.  As I've already expressed, 
>> if it's forward reach you want going backwards is going in the wrong 
>> direction. A longer stem and/or less swept back bars are called for. It 
>> seems most riders here asking for more setback ride wayback swept bars. 
>> Well that's the issue, that they are too far back, not the setback of the 
>> saddle. Get the saddle in an optimal place first, then deal with the reach.
>>
>> From my experience, being too far back of the pedals and too upright 
>> doesn't allow for the most efficient use of leg/core strength. It becomes 
>> rather a viscious and futile cycle of trying to compensate for something 
>> that can't be compensated for. Been there and done it, in all futility. 
>> With the saddle in an optimal position and a forward lean, all of that 
>> simply isn't. 
>>
>> A sure sign of being too far back in the saddle is when climbing. If I'm 
>> too far back, I either HAVE to stand to maintain any sort of momentum, or 
>> sit and grind in futility where no low gear seems low enough because I'm 
>> too far back. Maintaining a fluid spin is impossible. Standing does what ? 
>> Places me over the BB, in the optimal "power band". Gee, maybe I ought to 
>> been seated further forward to begin with ! ((( laughing )))  In moving 
>> saddle forward to an optimal place, hark . I find myself able to 
>> effectively and efficiently stay seated on climbs, always "on top" of the 
>> pedals, even if really steep, and it's marvelous !
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] 26.8 seatposts with generous setback

[Doug H.]

I appreciate the confirmation that Albatross has less reach than my Tosco. 
I thought that was the case but wanted to be sure before I ordered one.
Doug

On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 5:00:55 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:

> Doug,  From the diagrams the Albatross bar has a whopping 2-1/2" ... 
> yes inches less reach than the Tosco !  Yes, good choice ! 
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 4:16:27 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>
> Garth,
> I may try bars with less reach than my Tosco bars to do just what you're 
> suggesting. I don't want to sit farther back and change the angle of my 
> legs to pedals. Would you say the Albatross bars have less way back than 
> the Toscos?
> Doug
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB/WTT: 60cm Platypus frameset for my 64 Clem L

[Doug H.]

What is it about the Platypus that relegates the Clem to not quite good 
enough? I ask in jest. I'm loving my Clem and if I bought a Platy it would 
have to be Clem plus one. I hope you find one in trade Justin but like Leah 
said it seems folks don't move on from a Platypus often.
Doug 

On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 5:40:49 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I love my blue Clem but dark green and orange sounds sooo nice.
> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 4:19:31 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>
>> Yep and apparently they're doing completes, too? I'm not entirely sure 
>> this is correct but I think James told me a few weeks ago that they're 
>> coming in Sergio Green. 
>> [image: Capture.PNG]
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 4:03:58 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Are they coming in Sergio Green? I had heard silver and Ana Purple but 
>>> that was many months ago. They maybe changed it. Do you know what the 
>>> second color will be?
>>> Good luck with your search. I love a Platy above all else. I bet you 
>>> don’t sell it, even in 2 years when you get the itch to try something new. 
>>> ☺️
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 3:23:46 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Leah. I saw that, but was hoping to get one at a used price or 
 to trade. Otherwise, I may hold out until the Sergio Green plattys are 
 released (September according to the most recent calendar?) 

 Like I said, I love my Clem but yes, I miss the Cheviot and am itching 
 for something a little different. I rode Will's platypus when I was there 
 last summer and really dug it. Seems like every two years I need to change 
 it up ;-)

 On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 2:25:12 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:

> Justin, it says C&L has one in Canada. I’ve bought from them before, 
> they are the loveliest people. 
>
> [image: rivendell-platypus-pride-o-the-cosmos-t-shirt.jpg]
>
> Cadre Rivendell Platypus Step-Through Countrybike Frame 
> 
> clcycle.ca 
> 
>
> 
>
> Leah 
>
> On Jul 31, 2023, at 2:18 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I’ll do some digging and see if I can find you one, Justin. But I’m 
> so curious - I know you loved that Clem and you used to have a Cheviot. 
> Are 
> you missing your old Chev? I have both bikes and I find the Platypus far 
> superior to my Clem so I get it. I’ll get to looking…
>
> Leah
>
> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 9:37:27 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>
>> Just throwing this out there in case anyone has a 60cm Platty 
>> frameset they're looking to unload or would be up for trading for my 64 
>> Clem (in Lime Olive). Would pay $$ differential, of course. I love the 
>> Clem 
>> but got an itch for something a little different. 
>>
>> Let me know if you'd be interested in discussing, etc. Thanks!
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB/WTT: 60cm Platypus frameset for my 64 Clem L

[Doug H.]

 can be used for that. I stand by the fact that 
>>> people just setup Clems differently and that leads to the whole "heavy and 
>>> not as nimble" thought. Riv geometry is Riv geometry and there is nothing 
>>> specific that makes the Platy majorly different other than how people treat 
>>> them and adorn them. Personally I prefer the greater stepoverability of the 
>>> Clem but I DO understand the reason why it gets labeled as lowly and slow. 
>>> I just don't agree.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 10:15:28 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> 
>>>> Doug, Well, I can tell you in earnest! Now, you know I’m on your side 
>>>> about Clem-loving. I will never sell mine. But the Platy is more nimble 
>>>> and 
>>>> fits me like a glove. I race it around on club rides. But I can also haul 
>>>> a 
>>>> bunch of stuff with it. What can you not do with the Platy? Well, gravel 
>>>> rides aren’t ideal, I suppose.  Also, I hardly ever see a Cheviot for 
>>>> sale. 
>>>> I think people tend to keep the Rivendell mixtes. I’ve wondered why, but 
>>>> that is a subject for another thread.
>>>>
>>>> The Clem is also good at many things on that list, excluding club 
>>>> riding.  That one time the Platy was in the shop and I took it to the club 
>>>> ride…I nearly died that day, astride my blue Clem…ah, memories.
>>>>
>>>> What do you think, Justin? You’ve had a Chev and a Clem…
>>>> L
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 31, 2023, at 8:56 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What is it about the Platypus that relegates the Clem to not quite 
>>>> good enough? I ask in jest. I'm loving my Clem and if I bought a Platy it 
>>>> would have to be Clem plus one. I hope you find one in trade Justin but 
>>>> like Leah said it seems folks don't move on from a Platypus often.
>>>>
>>>> Doug 
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 5:40:49 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I love my blue Clem but dark green and orange sounds sooo nice.
>>>>> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 4:19:31 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yep and apparently they're doing completes, too? I'm not entirely 
>>>>>> sure this is correct but I think James told me a few weeks ago that 
>>>>>> they're 
>>>>>> coming in Sergio Green. 
>>>>>> [image: Capture.PNG]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 4:03:58 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are they coming in Sergio Green? I had heard silver and Ana Purple 
>>>>>>> but that was many months ago. They maybe changed it. Do you know what 
>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>> second color will be?
>>>>>>> Good luck with your search. I love a Platy above all else. I bet you 
>>>>>>> don’t sell it, even in 2 years when you get the itch to try something 
>>>>>>> new. 
>>>>>>> ☺️
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 3:23:46 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks Leah. I saw that, but was hoping to get one at a used price 
>>>>>>>> or to trade. Otherwise, I may hold out until the Sergio Green plattys 
>>>>>>>> are 
>>>>>>>> released (September according to the most recent calendar?) 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Like I said, I love my Clem but yes, I miss the Cheviot and am 
>>>>>>>> itching for something a little different. I rode Will's platypus when 
>>>>>>>> I was 
>>>>>>>> there last summer and really dug it. Seems like every two years I need 
>>>>>>>> to 
>>>>>>>> change it up ;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 2:25:12 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>>>>>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Justin, it says C&L has one in Canada. I’ve bought from them 
>>>>>>>>> bef

[RBW] Re: Upcoming Riv Ride: Chicago

[Doug H.]

Sounds like it will be a good ride and I wish I could attend one of these 
Rivendell rides. Maybe some day...
doug

On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 10:04:35 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> The celebrated Lakefront Trail in Chicago is calling. I’ve never done it 
> but on August 26th, I’ll get the chance..and you’re invited!
>
> Mack’s Bike and Goods, the Evanston Rivendell dealer, will be expecting 
> us. We will meet there at a time TBD on the morning of the 26th, visit the 
> shop and then catch the trail from there. We will have lunch at the Navy 
> Pier (restaurant also TBD, locals feel free to weigh in) and ride for maybe 
> a total of 30-40 miles. 
>
> Bring your favorite Rivendell, some mad money to spend at Mack’s if you 
> like, your sparkly personality and join us for our first Chicago Riv Ride. 
>
> Please let us know if you plan to attend!
>
> Leah Peterson and Marc Irwin
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Re: [RBW] A College Clem

[Doug H.]

I've been following this thread/discussion and it really is a bit of a 
downer. Reality bites. Theft is rampant on college campuses I guess 
although I was a commuter student (car) for most of my college years so 
didn't witness or even hear about crime on campus back in the late '80s. I 
didn't live on campus. I'm sure I was just oblivious to it.

Based on this thread I would have to lean toward the 'don't take a 
relatively expensive bicycle to college' crowd. 
Doug

On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 4:04:07 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I'll toss this out, FWIW, which may not be much, but: for a year or so 
> (sophomore/jr years) my daughter got around campus on a longboard, compact 
> enough to haul into the lecture hall, until her project responsibilities 
> with bulky kit made it impracticable. But books fit in backpacks and the 
> campus and town are/is relatively compact (NWU, Evanston, IL).
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Re: [RBW] A College Clem

[Doug H.]

Leah,
It looks like the ole Betty Foy served you well during your sons' early 
years. Where is that bike now? I don't remember if you sold it or have it 
stashed away. And, doesn't time fly!?! We were looking at some old photos 
of my sons recently and reminiscing.
Doug

On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 5:22:12 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> John,
> Text makes it hard to tell sometimes, so I suppose I’ll ask.
>
> 1. Is your question asked because you have the perfect bike waiting for 
> him that you would like to gift him?
>
> 2. Is your question being asked because you are genuinely confused about 
> the topic of the conversation?
>
> 3. Or is your question posed so as to look down on me, as if I was 
> imposing my choices on my son?
>
> If #1, no thank you, we have 2 good Clems to choose from.
>
> If #2, I would direct you to the beginning of the thread. Freshman don’t 
> have cars at the campus we’re looking at, and one needs alternate 
> transportation.
>
> If #3, I’ll not dignify your question with any answer. 
>
> Leah
>
> On Aug 14, 2023, at 9:52 PM, 'John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW Owners 
> Bunch  wrote:
>
> Leah
>
>
> I might I missed it, but does your son want a bike at college
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
> On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 11:09:58 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> 
>> 
>> Wow, since the boys were in elementary school, Ryan, that’s a long time! 
>> But yes, I started out in late 2012 with a Betty and was pulling the 
>> younger one on his “one-wheeler.” 
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Re: [RBW] A College Clem

[Doug H.]

John,
I took the question exactly as Leah interpreted it. The triple question 
mark at the end of the question was pretty emphatic. Take a breath? Really 
man?
Doug

On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 1:57:37 PM UTC-4 John Phillips wrote:

> Leah, please take a breath and count to 10.
>
> John's question wasn't rude, and was a fair question in that the *strength 
> of his desire *for a bike at college *could* correlate to the amount of 
> attention he would give to keeping the bike secure.
>
> You did ask for people's opinions, so please just ignore those you don't 
> like.
>
> John 
> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 2:22:12 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> John,
>> Text makes it hard to tell sometimes, so I suppose I’ll ask.
>>
>> 1. Is your question asked because you have the perfect bike waiting for 
>> him that you would like to gift him?
>>
>> 2. Is your question being asked because you are genuinely confused about 
>> the topic of the conversation?
>>
>> 3. Or is your question posed so as to look down on me, as if I was 
>> imposing my choices on my son?
>>
>> If #1, no thank you, we have 2 good Clems to choose from.
>>
>> If #2, I would direct you to the beginning of the thread. Freshman don’t 
>> have cars at the campus we’re looking at, and one needs alternate 
>> transportation.
>>
>> If #3, I’ll not dignify your question with any answer. 
>>
>> Leah
>>
>> On Aug 14, 2023, at 9:52 PM, 'John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW Owners 
>> Bunch  wrote:
>>
>> Leah
>>
>>
>> I might I missed it, but does your son want a bike at college
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>> On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 11:09:58 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Wow, since the boys were in elementary school, Ryan, that’s a long time! 
>>> But yes, I started out in late 2012 with a Betty and was pulling the 
>>> younger one on his “one-wheeler.” 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] A College Clem

[Doug H.]

Great story Mackenzy! I think many of us started on BMX bikes. I was an 80s 
kid and the group of guys in my neighborhood all had BMX bikes. In college 
I rode a Trek mountain bike (low end) but also had a car so the bike was 
primarily for exercise. I tried single speed a few years ago and really 
enjoy the simplicity of it even with the limitations.
Doug

On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 3:31:13 PM UTC-4 Mackenzy Albright wrote:

> Admittedly, I had almost the exact opposite issue as a college student. I 
> grew up without cyclists in my family, and think it's so rad that there are 
> parents like Leah to give a good starting point of living a happily car 
> free college life. 
>
> I was messy messy messy in my hyperfocus niche interests (bikes). As an 
> adolescent I got into bmx bikes. I had a very high end BMX I kept in my 
> dorm room under my bunk for the first two years. I worked at a skatepark 
> and rode with many professional friends. Eventually, a visiting friend 
> "from the city" brought his IRO fixed gear. I was absolutely smitten. He 
> taught me about fixed gear conversions - so I went to one on one bike 
> studios in Minneapolis and Gene helped me pick out a beat Schwinn Letour in 
> my size and parts I needed to convert it to fixed. 
>
> Within the next few months - I befriended a local bike shop worker who 
> talked me into buying a 54cm Surly steam roller frame (I am 6' 2" mind you) 
> for nearly wholesale as it'd been sitting for ever a year. My IRO friend 
> came back and took me down the biggest hill in town (sanfrancisco style) on 
> that brakeless steamroller. Literally probably the stupidest day of my 
> life. We continued on a 40+K ride in the country side to a waterfall and it 
> blew my mind. My friend with the IRO was also into racing on a geared bike 
> - and informed me on the magic of "geared bikes" 
>
> I sold the steamroller and dropped all my savings on a Long haul Trucker. 
> Except - except they all fit weird and I didn't like the lng top tube 
> after a short period. So I traded it for Cross check. I despised the cross 
> check frame even more - but somebody offered to trade a geared Karate 
> Monkey for my Cross check. I rode the Karate Monkey for a while, but fell 
> back in love with single speeds, so converted it to single speed and rode 
> that a long time. To my detriment "Ride the Divide" came out. Mark Remier's 
> first Generation Salsa Fargo was on display - dirt and all at the premier. 
> Within the week I rode to Angry Catfish and picked up a Fargo in my size. I 
> loved that bike. That concluded my undergradI wont even start on my 
> bikes during my "Grad school years" 
>
> I was quite..."promiscuous" in my bike building because "college" is for 
> experimenting right? (I never drank or did drugs - most of my bike dealings 
> were trade/second hand based being in QBP land) There was just so much to 
> learn and try out -  I couldn't get enough. There were definitely other 
> bikes and builds in there I am forgetting like a shogun touring bike etc. 
> and lots of BMX bikes. That was just my undergrad...20 years later. Oof - 
> not going to think too hard about it. But the enthusiasm hasn't stopped.
>
> I think it's super cool to have an option for such a versatile bike from 
> the get go and supportive parents for a *much* better starting point. I 
> absolutely believe that Leah's kid is in good hands. Who knows what'll 
> happen, but he's got a great bike to work with and obviously a lot of love 
> and support which is super great. 
>
> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 11:46:56 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> This is going great you guys. I think it was clear after many days and 
>> many posts that the question is "what bike?", not does the kid even want 
>> one. It'd be super if we could stick with that. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 11:38:13 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry, I have to agree with both Johns; the question seemed to be 
>>> serious and without condescension. The triple question marks indicate 
>>> reserve in asking the question and not exasperation or putdown; "Perhaps 
>>> you might consider ...?"
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2023 at 12:02 PM Doug H.  wrote:
>>>
>>>> John,
>>>> I took the question exactly as Leah interpreted it. The triple question 
>>>> mark at the end of the question was pretty emphatic. Take a breath? Really 
>>>> man?
>>>> Doug
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 1:57:37 PM UTC-4 John Phillips wrote:
>>>&

[RBW] Re: Single Speed (QB/SO/RU..) Questions

[Doug H.]

I have my Wabi Thunder set up with 42x18 gearing. The wheels are 700c and 
tires Panaracer Gravel King 38mm. 
Doug

On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 8:30:56 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Executive summary: I'm still thinking about buying it because he's giving 
> it away.  I have fun with "parting out" projects, and this one would pay 
> for itself.  
>
> If I were Jason, I'd gear it down AND cheapen it up.  Operating principle 
> #1 is you can always sell used stuff to 'friends' for half retail, and you 
> should always expect to be able to buy stuff from friends for half retail.  
> Operating principle #2 is there are some bike parts that are super 
> expensive that one buys only because they want them.  It's bling.  This QB 
> has a lot of that expensive bling on it that we can get rid of without 
> detracting from the usefulness of of the bike.  I could get into those 
> details if you want...
>
> If you'd meet me in Springfield IL this weekend I'll buy it.  I'm in 
> Detroit all weekend with nothing to do.  Springfield is a 7 hour drive for 
> each of us.  If I buy it, I'll part out the bling and end up with a very 
> inexpensive second Quickbeam to go with my 58cm Green one.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
>
> On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 5:11:49 PM UTC-7 jasonz...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> So as its been posted, I'm selling my Quickbeam, but even with "too low" 
>> prices, its still not moving.  I also have options to figured out how to 
>> tow my newest addition and I can make space/have the space so who cares. 
>>  The big concern for me is riding it and I don't find myself jumping on it 
>> as often as I'd like.  Partially due to the epic mtn bike scene immediately 
>> around me and my newly rebuilt bombora that I absolutely love.  That said, 
>> It would be fun to hit the trails on a QB and I have a pass&stow rack and 
>> some bags I'd like to use to do some camping with my twin boys (7) and the 
>> SS would be a nice way to enjoy the trip out to the woods with them.  
>>
>> The question I pose is what gear options do you all enjoy.  I've dug into 
>> the internets and I'm sure there is a post or 100 on this here already but 
>> I figured with the upcoming roduno and its many possibilities, this might 
>> be a fun chat to dig into.
>>
>> I'm currently at 48-18 and its great climbing around rural gravel roads 
>> in the midwest but now I'm in steeper hills its a bear-cat.
>>
>> Thanks xo
>> Jason Cheap QB For Sale.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: upright bars: how does shorter or longer stem affect steering?

[Doug H.]

Eddie,
When I first rode a Clem with Bosco bars it was so different from drop bars 
below the saddle level that steering seemed odd. It took a few rides to 
settle in to the upright position and having the bars above the saddle and 
coming back toward me, if that makes sense. Like you though I was having 
neck pain. I see many folks my age and older still riding drop bars and 
good on them. But, we are all different and thank goodness there are 
options! I guess my advice would be to give upright bars 100 miles or so to 
see if the steering becomes more palatable for you. 
Doug

On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 8:26:34 AM UTC-4 eddietheflay wrote:

> I need my bars quite high cuz I'm old and my neck aches badly when my head 
> is hanging over drop bars. I have considered tall stem and drop bars. I 
> guess that would mean shorter top-tubed bike in order to make the reach to 
> the hoods on drop bars comfortable.
>
> On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 5:17:39 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>
>> More specifically Eddie, I don't think using a bar like the Billie on a 
>> Roadini is a good idea to begin with if you find yourself wanting to move 
>> forward for a more stable steering experience. You be much better of with a 
>> shallow drop bar.  Personally, I don't think having high bars lives up to 
>> the purported benefits often espoused by Will or Grant and all that ride 
>> them. I found just the opposite myself. it's like wanting to get from 
>> Dallas to Atlanta via Seattle.  "your're going the wrong way !". Bikes 
>> simply handle wonderfully with your body weight forward and hands forward 
>> of the steering axis. I get that GP designs his "upright" bikes to maximize 
>> the "high, back and upright" position in terms of stability, but to me all 
>> the compensating in the world for being so far back of the steering axis 
>> will ever eliminate that "twitchy, tiller effect". That said lots of people 
>> ride them and love them and rightly so. I'm coming from a place where I 
>> simply don't relate to that in a positive way. It's a matter of taste, and 
>> we all have an affinity for what we have an affinity for. I can't stand the 
>> Star Anise flavor for example, that many people love. While I don't relate 
>> to the flavor itself, I certainly relate to the experiencing of that which 
>> one enjoys. 
>>
>> I think of how Rivendell frame design has so radically changed in the 
>> last 20 years. You could say the Clem design may have saved the company as 
>> it became so popular as the basic road bike design had seemed to become so 
>> passe', so to speak. In the seeming endless quest for something "new" to 
>> experience, I can see how road bike design went to ape crazy into carbon 
>> for lightness and disc brakes and now aerodynamics. It's making the bikes 
>> way more complex that they need to be, and making them out to be something 
>> more than they ever are.  a means to "the ride" ! That quest for 
>> "newness" is ironically the source of all the woes of the world, as the 
>> inherent message within it is that "now isn't good enough, it's lacking  in 
>> some way, so more is needed, some compensation is required in ordered to be 
>> fulfilled !". The problem with that is that is just a big fat lie. The 
>> compensation is never enough, no matter how much is given, more is always 
>> taken, more is demanded. More is never enough. Of course it's never enough, 
>> and that's the point. ISness can't be fulfilled or made because it isn't 
>> absent in any way. What a paradox . things that seem to appear missing 
>> aren't missing at all. they're revealing in the Light the actuality of 
>> What IS :)   How cool that is .. Ride on. 
>>
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Style on the bike

[Doug H.]

Johnny, fellow Gex Xer here. 80s fashion was something to behold indeed! I 
must say that I do miss my black Members Only jacket and wish I still had 
it. I'll leave the denim jean jacket in the past though along with the 
mullet haircut.
Doug

On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 8:18:12 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> *where. Man do I hate that there is no edit functionality
>
> On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 8:17:31 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I'm firmly Gen X and we 100% were doing pegged pant legs in the 80's. Hip 
>> to do with a pair of Bugle Boys. 90's fashion is OK to make a comeback but 
>> 80's is not. Let's leave that were it was. :)
>>
>> On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 5:31:15 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> 
>>> Gosh, Danielle, I am so sorry to hear about you being hit by a car. So, 
>>> so sorry. I would have never thought about wooden shoes but wow, I can see 
>>> how they would have protected your foot. Were you hit on the Cheviot? And 
>>> its still in working order? 
>>>
>>> I was also wondering about the peg and fold because I was class of ‘99 - 
>>> here I thought we had invented it but Bill’s generation had already been 
>>> there done that!
>>>
>>> Dorothy, I did not know that you sew your own clothes, but that elevates 
>>> you to an even higher status now that I do!
>>>
>>> Emily, yes, we are the same age! I love your ideas and will try the more 
>>> aggressive folding. But I would love to see your wide-leg styles since I’m 
>>> just getting into them.
>>>
>>> You RivSisters should definitely send us some bike style portraits. 
>>> Don’t leave Luke and I hanging out here by ourselves!
>>>
>>> Off to work. Hope to see more in this thread when I get off at 2:30.
>>> L
>>>
>>> On Sep 10, 2023, at 12:54 PM, danielle da cruz  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Love the topic, the pics, and stand with Bill on the peg and fold (and 
>>> the hairsprayed bangs though I'm class of '96)! And Leah, I feel your pain 
>>> having recently greased up the leg of my new 
>>> so-pale-blue-they're-nearly-white wide leg overalls.
>>>
>>> I ride to work and so don't dress only for my bike. In warmer weather I 
>>> love a shorter dress (Cheviot rider here, though I'll rock a dress on the 
>>> Roadini when it arrives) and love my sneaker pedals to bike in wooden clogs 
>>> and wooden soled sandals. One of those probably saved my foot when I was 
>>> hit on my way to work last summer. My ankle was broken, the shoe smashed to 
>>> pieces, all foot bones intact :) I bought a second pair and wear them 
>>> nearly every ride to work.
>>>
>>> For the transition seasons when I'm not yet in socks I do love a good 
>>> peg and fold on the wide leg pants, just have to roll them high enough. 
>>> Otherwise I'd do a tuck into a high sock. Please keep the suggestions and 
>>> photos coming! 
>>>
>>> Danielle
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 8:03:42 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 What a delight to wake up to Luke’s post. I am completely charmed. I 
 love these photos and that Luke has thought his style through and made 
 very 
 specific decisions about what to wear. I love black on black and the JMMs 
 all the jewelry because “men need accessories”!  

 You and the bike look awesome. This is so fun. 

 On Sep 9, 2023, at 11:27 PM, Luke Hendrickson  
 wrote:

 I rly like wearing all black for ease and cause I’m super lazy. My go 
 to is Ben Davis pants cut into shorts (I like pants that sit at my true 
 waist and have roomy thighs). I also love Vans since they grip flat pedals 
 very, very well. I couple that fit with a WoolyWarm when it’s chillier. I 
 live that sweater, but it’s not the most fashionable lol. I don’t have 
 riding specific sunglasses so I just wear my JMMs and I also wear all of 
 my 
 jewelry bc rings are cool and men need accessories. 


 On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 6:46:40 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:

> Well hey, you can make your own pant leg keepers by purchasing some 
> elastic bungee cord and a cord lock. Any camping/outdoor store sells it 
> by 
> the foot and cord locks come in a variety of shapes. That way you can get 
> creative and wrap your leg as high or low as you like by criss-crossing 
> or 
> any other pattern you come up with ! I've even used good ol' bandanas in 
> a 
> pinch. With the cord your pants retain their color as all you see is the 
> little black cord wrapped around your leg. Some places may have have 
> colored cord. A sewing supplier might also. 
>
> I noticed in the photo Leah posted of her ankle with grease stain the 
> cuff appears , how do I say . all flared out. I'd suggest when you 
> wrap 
> your leg,  pull your pants taught at the front, then fold the excess 
> fabric 
> around the outside of your leg so there's no excess fabric hanging out. 
> Then p

Re: [RBW] Re: upright bars: how does shorter or longer stem affect steering?

[Doug H.]

I do wonder if the long wheelbase makes my Clem more stable in general. I
hope you find the right setup for your bike.
Doug

On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 8:41 AM eddietheflay  wrote:

> Hello Doug, I have been riding Billie bars on three bikes for nearly two
> years. I can do just fine but still notice I am less steady when my hands
> are on the grips while descending at speed. Could be that I am so upright
> that my center of gravity compared to drop bars is making things a less
> steady.
>
> On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 5:38:47 AM UTC-7 eddietheflay wrote:
>
>> I have never tried really high-mounted drop bars like these ones:
>> http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2010/05/drop-bar-diaries.html
>> And for me that would be mostly about the aesthetics. Swept back bars
>> look cooler and less weird that high-mounted drop bars. I wonder if the
>> steering would "seem" significantly less twitchy and if for me it would
>> require a smaller frame with shorter top tube?
>> Here are photos of my current twitchy setup:
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/Nn7Pzb61yBhXaKCE6
>>
>>
>> On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 5:26:34 AM UTC-7 eddietheflay wrote:
>>
>>> I need my bars quite high cuz I'm old and my neck aches badly when my
>>> head is hanging over drop bars. I have considered tall stem and drop bars.
>>> I guess that would mean shorter top-tubed bike in order to make the reach
>>> to the hoods on drop bars comfortable.
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 5:17:39 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>>>
 More specifically Eddie, I don't think using a bar like the Billie on a
 Roadini is a good idea to begin with if you find yourself wanting to move
 forward for a more stable steering experience. You be much better of with a
 shallow drop bar.  Personally, I don't think having high bars lives up to
 the purported benefits often espoused by Will or Grant and all that ride
 them. I found just the opposite myself. it's like wanting to get from
 Dallas to Atlanta via Seattle.  "your're going the wrong way !". Bikes
 simply handle wonderfully with your body weight forward and hands forward
 of the steering axis. I get that GP designs his "upright" bikes to maximize
 the "high, back and upright" position in terms of stability, but to me all
 the compensating in the world for being so far back of the steering axis
 will ever eliminate that "twitchy, tiller effect". That said lots of people
 ride them and love them and rightly so. I'm coming from a place where I
 simply don't relate to that in a positive way. It's a matter of taste, and
 we all have an affinity for what we have an affinity for. I can't stand the
 Star Anise flavor for example, that many people love. While I don't relate
 to the flavor itself, I certainly relate to the experiencing of that which
 one enjoys.

 I think of how Rivendell frame design has so radically changed in the
 last 20 years. You could say the Clem design may have saved the company as
 it became so popular as the basic road bike design had seemed to become so
 passe', so to speak. In the seeming endless quest for something "new" to
 experience, I can see how road bike design went to ape crazy into carbon
 for lightness and disc brakes and now aerodynamics. It's making the bikes
 way more complex that they need to be, and making them out to be something
 more than they ever are.  a means to "the ride" ! That quest for
 "newness" is ironically the source of all the woes of the world, as the
 inherent message within it is that "now isn't good enough, it's lacking  in
 some way, so more is needed, some compensation is required in ordered to be
 fulfilled !". The problem with that is that is just a big fat lie. The
 compensation is never enough, no matter how much is given, more is always
 taken, more is demanded. More is never enough. Of course it's never enough,
 and that's the point. ISness can't be fulfilled or made because it isn't
 absent in any way. What a paradox . things that seem to appear missing
 aren't missing at all. they're revealing in the Light the actuality of
 What IS :)   How cool that is .. Ride on.



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Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Doug H.]

I have been on a bicycle hiatus for about three weeks but decided to check 
the group tonight. Wow, what a discussion! Your bike mods look fabulous 
Leah. I like the color changes. Can I say now that I did not like the 
previous saddle color? At least not as much as the new one. Fun reading 
folks.
Doug

On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 1:41:54 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> MEN. Even *I* eventually chimed in and I know better! 🤦
>
> Joe "realized as soon as I hit Send that this was a bad idea" Bernard 
>
> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 8:54:49 AM UTC-7 Dorothy C wrote:
>
>> Sarah asks “Did you even ask for input about your riding position?” No, 
>> poor Leah is getting bikesplained again. Lovely colors, Leah, and I hope 
>> Deb takes up your suggestion to make them in ivory as well. 
>>
>> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 8:26:29 AM UTC-7 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the kind words, Leah!  Great find with the Rivet matching 
>>> grips and like Joe said, the Racing Platy just looks great with either 
>>> attire, but of course even more autumnal now with those chestnut touches.
>>>
>>> Max - the yellow Yves Gomez looks terrific with the makeover and glad it 
>>> all worked out in the end despite the unfortunate turn with the 'as new' 
>>> claim.
>>>
>>> The pink Gravelkings were one of their annual color specials from a 
>>> previous year.  I forget which year these colors were specifically released 
>>> but stumbled upon them online somewhere even after they were discontinued.  
>>> I'm sure there are still some out there to be found but the limited colors 
>>> I believe are also always limited in model/size even with the initial 
>>> release.  I'm currently using 700x32 SK and SS models.
>>>
>>> I think this was the online retailer I had found the discontinued pink 
>>> and here is another previous limited color in the same 32mm size:
>>>
>>> https://planetcyclery.com/components/wheels-tires-tubes/tires/panaracer-gravelking-sk-tire-700-x-32-tubeless-folding-astral-blue
>>>
>>> This year's colors were turquoise and orange and looks like they did 
>>> make them up to 700x43 in the SS and SK this time around though only a few 
>>> size/color combos still seem to remain:
>>> https://www.panaracerusa.com/collections/gravel
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 9:18:03 AM UTC-4 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Love the fall accessory swap out! I have zero comments about your 
 seatpost setback because I am so captivated by those new autumnal grips. 
 Did you even ask for input about your riding position because I don't 
 recall seeing that in your makeover post

 Pink Gravel King tires? YES PLEASE!!

 On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 2:24:42 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> I love the pink. I wish I had known how much the rose anodized parts I 
> had would fade. They are nearly silver now. I should have put red 
> chainring 
> guard/spacers/brake levers instead of rose! I did not know Gravel King 
> came 
> in pink. What a resource you are! You’re as good as a RivSister, Brian!
>
> On Oct 15, 2023, at 9:48 PM, Coal Bee Rye Anne  
> wrote:
>
> Here’s my contribution for most recent bike makeover from late summer 
> (now nice and muddy from its last excursion when this picture was 
> captured.)  This was previously my front basket equipped errand runner.  
> I 
> ended up changing to the low rider rack and bags earlier than in the year 
> while doing some stem and saddle swaps to allow easier fine tuning before 
> reinstalling the bar brackets.  The rack was available while already 
> removed from another bike also undergoing some minor changes.  Despite 
> being intended as a temporary rack and basket trade between frames I 
> decided to stick with it once I had them mounted and enjoyed the new and 
> lighter build on this bike.
>
>
> I’ve had the pink gravelking SK tires and bartape in waiting but with 
> no particular build planned.  The once bright red anodized chainring 
> guard 
> now faded to a pinkish hue I decided it was time to replace the 
> mismatched 
> blackwall tires and add more color to complement the guard in its current 
> shade now with the other components somewhat solidified.  Only a few 
> weeks 
> and a handful of rides on this Lizard Skinz tape, however, it has worn so 
> rapidly on the outer layer to already look like it needs replacing from 
> months of hard use so will see how quickly it wears further from here.
>
> A spare set of wheels are also now shod with purple Gravelking SS for 
> a more road oriented option though I mixed up the slightly different 
> gearing between wheels and still need to swap the tires or 
> cogs/freewheels 
> to better match the gears and tread with terrain.
>
> I have unfortunately not been getting in nearly as muc

Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Doug H.]

Oops, I did it again...
Doug

On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 9:06:25 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Doug, you can say it until springtime when I change it BACK. And then you 
> will declare you have had a change of heart and that you love the ivory 
> saddle and thank goodness I came to my senses and brought it back! 🤣
>
> On Oct 16, 2023, at 8:55 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>
> I have been on a bicycle hiatus for about three weeks but decided to 
> check the group tonight. Wow, what a discussion! Your bike mods look 
> fabulous Leah. I like the color changes. Can I say now that I did not like 
> the previous saddle color? At least not as much as the new one. Fun reading 
> folks.
>
> Doug
>
> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 1:41:54 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> MEN. Even *I* eventually chimed in and I know better! 🤦
>>
>> Joe "realized as soon as I hit Send that this was a bad idea" Bernard 
>>
>> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 8:54:49 AM UTC-7 Dorothy C wrote:
>>
>>> Sarah asks “Did you even ask for input about your riding position?” No, 
>>> poor Leah is getting bikesplained again. Lovely colors, Leah, and I hope 
>>> Deb takes up your suggestion to make them in ivory as well. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 8:26:29 AM UTC-7 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks for the kind words, Leah!  Great find with the Rivet matching 
>>>> grips and like Joe said, the Racing Platy just looks great with either 
>>>> attire, but of course even more autumnal now with those chestnut touches.
>>>>
>>>> Max - the yellow Yves Gomez looks terrific with the makeover and glad 
>>>> it all worked out in the end despite the unfortunate turn with the 'as 
>>>> new' 
>>>> claim.
>>>>
>>>> The pink Gravelkings were one of their annual color specials from a 
>>>> previous year.  I forget which year these colors were specifically 
>>>> released 
>>>> but stumbled upon them online somewhere even after they were discontinued. 
>>>>  
>>>> I'm sure there are still some out there to be found but the limited colors 
>>>> I believe are also always limited in model/size even with the initial 
>>>> release.  I'm currently using 700x32 SK and SS models.
>>>>
>>>> I think this was the online retailer I had found the discontinued pink 
>>>> and here is another previous limited color in the same 32mm size:
>>>>
>>>> https://planetcyclery.com/components/wheels-tires-tubes/tires/panaracer-gravelking-sk-tire-700-x-32-tubeless-folding-astral-blue
>>>>
>>>> This year's colors were turquoise and orange and looks like they did 
>>>> make them up to 700x43 in the SS and SK this time around though only a few 
>>>> size/color combos still seem to remain:
>>>> https://www.panaracerusa.com/collections/gravel
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 9:18:03 AM UTC-4 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Love the fall accessory swap out! I have zero comments about your 
>>>>> seatpost setback because I am so captivated by those new autumnal grips. 
>>>>> Did you even ask for input about your riding position because I don't 
>>>>> recall seeing that in your makeover post
>>>>>
>>>>> Pink Gravel King tires? YES PLEASE!!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 2:24:42 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I love the pink. I wish I had known how much the rose anodized parts 
>>>>>> I had would fade. They are nearly silver now. I should have put red 
>>>>>> chainring guard/spacers/brake levers instead of rose! I did not know 
>>>>>> Gravel 
>>>>>> King came in pink. What a resource you are! You’re as good as a 
>>>>>> RivSister, 
>>>>>> Brian!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 15, 2023, at 9:48 PM, Coal Bee Rye Anne  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here’s my contribution for most recent bike makeover from late 
>>>>>> summer (now nice and muddy from its last excursion when this picture was 
>>>>>> captured.)  This was previously my front basket equipped errand runner.  
>>>>>> I 
>>>>>> ended up changing to the low rider rack and bags earlier 

[RBW] Re: WTB 50cm Roadini

[Doug H.]

Here is one on 
craigslist... 
https://sandiego.craigslist.org/esd/bik/d/el-cajon-rivendell-radini-50cm/7719401355.html
Doug

On Friday, February 23, 2024 at 10:06:09 PM UTC-5 four...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey all, still searching for a 50cm Roadini.. I know I can still get a new 
> frameset, but hoping to get in with a bit cheaper route.. frameset or 
> complete.. 
>
> Thanks!
>

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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Pictures Thread

[Doug H.]

Who plans to buy a Sam Hillborne in May when they are due to arrive? And, I 
wonder what colors they will offer. This photo thread is fun to see. 
Doug

On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 6:24:11 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:

> Great to see all these beautiful and functional Hillbornes. Although I 
> don't have one myself, I do think the Hillborne blue/grey is my favorite of 
> the Rivendell colors. 
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 1:17:36 PM UTC-8 Paul in Dallas wrote:
>
>> It is fun to see the variety of builds on the Sam's.
>>
>> It looks like the majority have some type of upright / swept back style 
>> handlebars
>> although of course the Sam is so versatile to accommodate a road bar if 
>> preferred .
>>
>> If recalling correctly I saw orange, silver, light blue , green, black 
>> and a yellow perhaps mustard like color Sam. (Not sure what Riv called it)
>>
>> Cool stuff.
>>
>> I'm enjoying the thread.
>>
>> Paul in Dallas 
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Roadini 50cm

[Doug H.]

How was the ride? Looks like it has lots of elevation. How did you like the 
Roadini?
Doug

On Tuesday, March 12, 2024 at 1:40:04 PM UTC-4 cramer@gmail.com wrote:

> Impulse buy,  built it up last year to ride the Triple Bypass.  Maybe 250 
> miles on it. No dents, but a  small chip on the chainstay. 
>
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[RBW] Re: Thumbshifters

[Doug H.]

Hi Kiley,
Check out this old thread for some pertinent information:
https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/VS2OKsjxd3U

Doug

On Saturday, March 16, 2024 at 2:15:30 PM UTC-4 Kiley Demond wrote:

> I am *still* getting my Clem L finished (it was 'found' stock which I now 
> understand was not in inventory originally because it had issues which 
> weren't tracked so I received a bike with build issues). I didn't like the 
> shifter arrangement so I purchased Microshift thumbshifters. When I put new 
> shifters on my Cheviot, I don't recall which ones I purchased, but I do 
> know they were easy to reverse on the holders. This doesn't seem possible 
> with the Mircroshift shifters. 
>
> I am looking for corroboration that they cannot be reversed (the internal 
> stack) on the holders. As it stands, they are on the outside of the 
> handlebars. Then, assuming I am correct, I am looking for recommendations 
> on other shifters that will work (i.e. Silver, Sunrace, Dia Compe). 
>
> Thank you!
>
> kiley
>

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Re: [RBW] Philadelphia Bike Expo March 16 - 17

[Doug H.]

Fantastic!! I've been keeping up with the PBE posts on Instagram. The 
number of vendors and cool products is amazing. I have added this to my 
bucket list of activities to do. Thanks for sharing the photos and short 
video of Pam maneuvering the box through the exhibit hall. The RivSisters 
look happy.
Doug

On Monday, March 18, 2024 at 8:33:18 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Pam doing Pam Things (video, hope it works):
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Question for Cheviot Owners

[Doug H.]

I was thinking the same. Cheviots defy gravity!
Doug

On Monday, March 25, 2024 at 9:49:59 AM UTC-4 tio ryan wrote:

> that floating pic is a mind-bender! 
>
> -tio 
>
> On Monday, March 25, 2024 at 1:42:21 AM UTC-4 Olivier Chételat wrote:
>
>> Here is mine this afternoon..
>> I love my Cheviot.
>> I love my Cheviot a bit more than I love my Betty Foy (team long chain 
>> stay).
>> I will probably love a Platypus more than I love my Cheviot; I maxed out 
>> the tires at 55mm and I my sweet spot is 65. I want both the clearance and 
>> v-brake/canti studs a Platy offers. 
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> Oli in SF
>>
>> [image: IMG_0272 (3).jpeg][image: IMG_0293 (2).jpeg]
>>
>> On Sunday, March 24, 2024 at 7:09:30 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I love the Cheviots and I think they are so regal. This color is one of 
>>> my favorites, too. 
>>>
>>> On Mar 24, 2024, at 8:32 PM, exliontamer  wrote:
>>>
>>> I love my Cheviot & don't see myself selling it. The novelty seeking 
>>> side of me was/is curious about the Platypus but I don't really see a 
>>> functional difference between the two (unless you're splitting hairs about 
>>> tire clearance and cantilever-posts) and I like the urbane look of the 
>>> Cheviot. My wife has a Platypus and loves it too. The Platypus/Cheviot are 
>>> maybe my favorite Rivendells ever made with the old Toyo Atlantis/Roadini 
>>> (which my wife also owns) being tied for second. Here's my 60...
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: WTB 50cm Roadini

[Doug H.]

Here is one on C-list albeit with a double chainring. It looks 
pristine: 
https://sandiego.craigslist.org/esd/bik/d/el-cajon-rivendell-radini-50cm/7719401355.html
Doug

On Tuesday, March 26, 2024 at 12:15:29 PM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> My wife enjoyed riding the Roadini so much that when my son (for whom it 
> was built) took it over she asked for her own. Since Rivendell no longer 
> has them I'm now in the market for a Roadini 50cm. Frame only unless you've 
> got it built up with 1x. (My wife never used the front derailleur on her 
> Cheviot so there's no point having more than 1 chainring)

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[RBW] Re: Drop Bombadil in the depths of the Old Forest

[Doug H.]

Perfect setting for a do-it-all bike.
Doug

On Thursday, March 28, 2024 at 8:28:17 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> I second that. Killer bike. 
>
> On Thursday, March 28, 2024 at 8:20:18 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I love this bike!
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 27, 2024 at 5:31:52 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> This bike is not new to most of you, but I wanted to share a proper 
>>> photo taken by a friend of the current configuration. The photo was taken 
>>> midway up a low-traffic, rather technical hiking trail that followed a 
>>> creek up the mountain to the powerline cut where we were aiming. None of it 
>>> was rideable, nor did we expected it would be. It's a heck of an upper body 
>>> workout, and frustrating at times, but I've been enjoying these "rides" 
>>> where we try to link up sections we know are good using as little pavement 
>>> as possible. The key has been to accept that there will be some 
>>> hike-a-bike. 
>>>
>>> Anyhow, the Bombadil, which I've had since October 2020, purchased from 
>>> Joe, and repainted by Chris DeKerf around Christmas 2021, is now in "drop 
>>> bar adventure bike" configuration. It's strange, no doubt, to have a 
>>> Hillborne and Bombadil and to put the drop bars on the Bombadil. But my 
>>> logic is - the Hillborne is a great commuter and errand bike on Albatross 
>>> and with the pannier rack. It's got a kickstand, too. The Bombadil may be 
>>> stout but it's capable of just about anything, and with drop bars it feels 
>>> pretty sporty and not unlike a 'monstercross' rig. Just prettier. 
>>>
>>> Plans at present include: install the SON fender mount tail light I have 
>>> around, add a M1-B front rack so I can run a larger bag, and swap the 
>>> bright fender flap for a grey Riv one I have kicking around. I also have a 
>>> full canvas camp setup using R-10 and Tubus Tara racks; looking forward to 
>>> some more adventures on this soon! 
>>>
>>> [image: 103081.jpg] 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Silver shifters, v1 vs. v2

[Doug H.]

Ian,
I had slippage with Silver v2 set up on my Clem. I used Loctite and it 
solved the issue for awhile then they slipped again. After switching to 
Microshift I not longer had any slippage. I am not an experienced bike 
mechanic so my installation may have been off with the Silvers but the 
Microshift worked for me.
Doug

On Saturday, March 30, 2024 at 9:37:26 AM UTC-4 ian m wrote:

> I have completely disassembled and reassembled more than a couple times, 
> both intentionally and un. I have run my set on both the downtube and 
> bar-ends on more than one bike, and my wife has a set on the bar-ends of 
> her Hillborne. We have broken so many plastic washers trying to keep them 
> from slipping that I have multiple back-up bags.
>
> On checking the Riv product page now it looks like the complete shifters 
> come with a "new and improved" plastic washer that isn't available 
> separately. Can anyone speak to an improved user experience? I have the 
> older L/R version rather than the newer X/O version also.
>
> I do think these shift fantastically and are in every way superior to the 
> Sunrace shifters I used previously, it's only the slippage that grinds my 
> gears.
>
> On Friday, March 29, 2024 at 11:09:11 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure if I have the v1 or v2 but probably the v1 and earlier but 
>> I've never had slippage.  You do have to line up the square piece when 
>> installing them and get the plastic washer lined up too but after that it's 
>> tight enough to hold.  The exploded view that Eric Marth will help show you 
>> the critical points of contact to line up.  I do know the plastic washers 
>> break after a while but that's usually when the bike falls and the shifter 
>> takes most of the force of the fall.
>>
>> On Friday, March 29, 2024 at 6:56:26 PM UTC-4 ian m wrote:
>>
>>> I love the look of the Silver1 shifters. IMO they are the platonic ideal 
>>> whether on downtube or bar-end. Yet I find in my experience the performance 
>>> refuses to meet the aesthetic quality. Try as I may I can't get the shifter 
>>> to stay put. Loctite or beeswax, slippage, then over-tightening. There's 
>>> still no better option than the plastic washer? Hoped the brass bit over 
>>> the plastic would protect it, no such luck they always crack. I'm tired of 
>>> trying to make these work. 
>>>
>>> Do the newer Silver2 shifters improve in performance where they've... 
>>> let's just say changed in aesthetics? It reads as though they have the same 
>>> internals which I would assume is the issue. While they do have a look that 
>>> maybe only a mother could love I'm willing to give them a shot if it's a 
>>> noticeable difference.
>>>
>>> I am index curious but not sure I'd want to pay the Dura-Ace bar-end 
>>> price rather than making the all-out switch to brifters. Any thoughts or 
>>> advice welcome.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell style

[Doug H.]

I enjoy Bike Snob and the "Just Kidding" boat  photo never fails to make me 
chuckle. Eben's irreverent sense of humor is right up my alley. Not kidding.
Doug

On Thursday, April 4, 2024 at 11:27:49 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> For those of you too refined to read Bike Snob regularly, you might want 
> to make an exception for today's (Thursday's) post for Rivendell build 
> canons and style rules. Video included of new Riv owner anxious about 
> acceptance in the Rivendell World. [35-year-old narrator needs training in 
> public speaking.] [Recall when a schtick about Calvin's ~35-year-old father 
> was his mid-30s decrepitude and the absurdity of a middle-aged man riding a 
> bicycle in the wind, rain, and snow. "Time just gets away from us."]
>
> This was fun:
>
> And finally, your Rivendell bicycle should feature a highly 
> improvisational handlebar treatment:
>
> Basically it’s like the Velominati on acid.
>
> -- 
>
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
> ---
>
> Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing 
> services
>
>
> ---
>
> *When thou didst not, savage, k**now thine own meaning,*
>
> *But wouldst gabble like a** thing most brutish,*
>
> *I endowed thy purposes w**ith words that made them known.*
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[RBW] Re: NBD Leo Roadini

[Doug H.]

That is a fine looking bicycle Scott. I hope you enjoy many miles of 
cycling on your new Leo Roadini. I will join you in the Roadini club soon.
Doug

On Saturday, April 6, 2024 at 10:20:31 AM UTC-4 R. Scott Lake wrote:

> [image: IMG_6743.jpg]
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Sam Hillborne 53cm $2500/obo

[Doug H.]

I see on Bike Insights that Rivendell made a size 52 in 2009. I don't know 
how accurate those numbers are on that website though. If the numbers are 
accurate, they show a 57 effective top tube and 650b wheels. That is a nice 
looking build with nice parts.
Doug

On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 2:39:03 AM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com wrote:

> Good evening John. I'm sorry to hear about your reasons for selling and 
> hope all is well, but I am very interested in this lovely Hillborne. I just 
> wanted to double-check the size on it before I commit. The listing says 
> 53cm but I can't seem to find Rivendell's dimensions on a 53cm: on their 
> site they have 51cm or 54cm. Could you please confirm if it is 54cm or 
> indeed 53cm? I have a PBH of 83.8, which puts me in a 54cm, but I'm sure a 
> 53 would be fine too.  
>
> All the best,
> Robert 
>
> On Thursday, April 11, 2024 at 9:13:42 AM UTC-4 johnb wrote:
>
>> Due to a progressive medical issue, my beloved Rivs have to go. First up, 
>> a 53cm Sam Hillborne that includes:
>>
>>- New Albion cranks 46/30
>>- Paul brake levers
>>- Tektro brakes
>>- Hand built (velocity/Velo Orange) wheels/Rene Herse 48 tires
>>- 9-speed cassette
>>- Acera derailleur 
>>- Cambium Special Edition C-17 with orange rivets
>>- Albatross handlebars 
>>- Paul thumbies 
>>
>> Will be professionally packed by bike shop. Next up, 51cm Atlantis
>>
>> Photos: https://share.icloud.com/photos/075HDkT5H9Rkyy65vqo4lel2w
>>
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[RBW] WTB: Albastache Handlebar

[Doug H.]

Hi folks,
Does anyone have an Albastache bar to sell? I want to try one on my 
Roadini. 
Doug
Athens, Ga

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[RBW] WTB: Short Pull Levers

[Doug H.]

I need a set of flat bar short pull levers for a handlebar swap. If you 
have bar end or thumb shifters for 9 speed you'd sell let me know too.

I have a few parts to sell or trade if there is any interest: Velo Orange 
Happy Stem 110 mm length and 31.8 bar clamp; well used Jitensha bars with 
tape residue; short Nitto quill to threadless converter: Shimano long pull 
flat bar levers (Alivio level likely) black and gray; MKS Sylvan pedals. Or 
I can pay cash.
Doug
Athens, Ga

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[RBW] Re: FS: Sam Hillborne 51cm $200/obo

[Doug H.]

I'm thinking that this is a size 51 maybe since Riv uses the seat tube 
measurement for the listed sizes.
Doug

On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 8:23:55 PM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank you for those measurements. I'm trying to determine if this is 
> indeed the 52cm frame, but alas this older geometry chart 
> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gfiN1kOxVrthdc6eScUF9fP5n-BvRBILbBMYiEg5LM4/edit#gid=0>
>  doesn't 
> show those two measurements you gave. I hate to trouble you further, but 
> would it be possible to measure the top tube? That should determine 
> definitively which it is, as that chart does have that measurement.
>
> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 8:02:29 PM UTC-4 johnb wrote:
>
>> Measurement from center of BB to top of TT is 20". Center of BB to top of 
>> Seat Tube is 20.25". Same for TT. I apologize for the confusion. I bought 
>> the bike 3rd hand and never measured it. I just took the sellers word and 
>> quite honestly I could have just misremembered it.  I am 5'6"  with a 28" 
>> inseam. I have Compass 650Bx48 tires on the bike and I barely clear the TT..
>>
>> I forgot the Crank Brothers Stamp pedals.
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 11:50:22 AM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Doug for the insight! I'll give Riv a call tomorrow and ask them 
>>> about the PBH range for the 52, though I suspect that would be my size in 
>>> this model given the other geometry :) 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 1:53:36 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
>>>> I see on Bike Insights that Rivendell made a size 52 in 2009. I don't 
>>>> know how accurate those numbers are on that website though. If the numbers 
>>>> are accurate, they show a 57 effective top tube and 650b wheels. That is a 
>>>> nice looking build with nice parts.
>>>> Doug
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 2:39:03 AM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Good evening John. I'm sorry to hear about your reasons for selling 
>>>>> and hope all is well, but I am very interested in this lovely Hillborne. 
>>>>> I 
>>>>> just wanted to double-check the size on it before I commit. The listing 
>>>>> says 53cm but I can't seem to find Rivendell's dimensions on a 53cm: on 
>>>>> their site they have 51cm or 54cm. Could you please confirm if it is 54cm 
>>>>> or indeed 53cm? I have a PBH of 83.8, which puts me in a 54cm, but I'm 
>>>>> sure 
>>>>> a 53 would be fine too.  
>>>>>
>>>>> All the best,
>>>>> Robert 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, April 11, 2024 at 9:13:42 AM UTC-4 johnb wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Due to a progressive medical issue, my beloved Rivs have to go. First 
>>>>>> up, a 53cm Sam Hillborne that includes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>- New Albion cranks 46/30
>>>>>>- Paul brake levers
>>>>>>- Tektro brakes
>>>>>>- Hand built (velocity/Velo Orange) wheels/Rene Herse 48 tires
>>>>>>- 9-speed cassette
>>>>>>- Acera derailleur 
>>>>>>- Cambium Special Edition C-17 with orange rivets
>>>>>>- Albatross handlebars 
>>>>>>- Paul thumbies 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Will be professionally packed by bike shop. Next up, 51cm Atlantis
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Photos: https://share.icloud.com/photos/075HDkT5H9Rkyy65vqo4lel2w
>>>>>>
>>>>>

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Doug H.]

Same conversation I have with my wife annually, sometimes semi-annually. 
Haha
Doug

On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 9:36:01 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> My husband just now: Are you getting ANOTHER bike? 
>
> Me: Well…not necessarily. I have to weigh out all the pros and cons, you 
> see.
>
> Him: I know how this ends. It ends with the Annual Bike Purchase of the 
> Last Bike I’ll Ever Need.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 22, 2024, at 9:26 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>
> Tony, I swooned. Actually swooned. Gorgeous, gorgeous.
>
>
> I rode the Mon Night Ride on my Racing Platy tonight. I was so 
> apprehensive at the start because the winds were 13 mph with 21 mph gusts 
> and it was open road. I should not be doing this, I thought. Where is my 
> road bike?
>
> But it was the best ride. Did we have wind? Yes. But somehow it was great 
> and energizing and we just killed it. I had done an intense upper body 
> lifting session this morning and still it was great and not draining!
>
> Can I prove that to you?
> No. 
> My Apple Watch died on the ride.  🤬 
>
> There were men I don’t know on the ride tonight, so of course I got 
> comments. One of them said, “I hope you never get a road bike.”
>
> But I just might.
> Leah
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 22, 2024, at 8:41 PM, Tony Lockhart  wrote:
>
> @Leah--Get one of these3x8 drivetrain, Nitto and Silver everywhere. 
> Add a few bags and spend your weekends putting down mileageguaranteed 
> to give you a million smiles and zero worries.
> 
>
>
> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 5:17:47 PM UTC-7 mathiass...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Leah,
>> Don't overthink this. It's hard to build an actual "bad" bike, and the 
>> big names don't do it.
>> There are bike that are too "special" in some way -- too slow- or 
>> fast-handling, or whatever, but these are nuances. I can switch from a 
>> crit-geometry racer to a tourer and by the end of the block, I stop 
>> noticing it.
>>
>> Check out this ad:
>>
>> https://grandrapids.craigslist.org/bid/d/grand-rapids-bike-sale-40-or-less/7731072255.html
>>
>> and go buy the ~51-52 cm red Centurion in the first picture.
>> For $40, you'll have something to play with and see how the setup might 
>> work for you.
>> If it's rideable, it's hard to see how this is not a good idea, and if 
>> Centurion built lousy bikes, I haven't heard of it.
>>
>> cheers -mathias
>>
>> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 7:35:58 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> When you "cut to the chase" many of us old farts on this blog started 
>>> riding bikes in a serious way back in the early 70's.  And the go-to manual 
>>> for bikers back then was Eugene Sloane's "The Complete Book of Bicycling."  
>>> In that excellent instruction manual, as it were, he went to a great extent 
>>> to appeal to the use of "drop bars" (or simply road bars by most folks back 
>>> then) for road riders.  Of course, many different developments in cycling 
>>> have taken place since then, especially the introduction of the so-called 
>>> "hybrid bikes" with flat bars and the "mountain bikes," both of which 
>>> introduced different types of handlebars, tire types, and saddles.  It's a 
>>> bit of a lament that the regular "road bike" of the previous decades where 
>>> "drop bars," saddle types, gearing, tires, etc. of the previous period more 
>>> or less disappeared in the advent of those unique biking configurations.  
>>> Almost every time I venture out on a bike path around these parts I mostly 
>>> see people riding bikes configured with a "hybrid" set up...unless, of 
>>> course they're riding  e-bikes, which are becoming way too commonplace 
>>> nowadays.  I would encourage anyone who has an inclination to pick up and 
>>> begin riding regular road bikes to do so.
>>> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 1:16:35 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 All of these replies are interesting. And when I read one I think, 
 “Yes, that’s right” and then read another which conflicts and change my 
 mind. This is going to be a journey. I can’t even believe how much there 
 is 
 to know.

 I’m later getting here than the rest of you, I think. It was 2012 when 
 I first realized there were better bikes than the Walmart Schwinn I was 
 pulling my preschoolers around with. I got a Betty Foy with the biggest 
 racks and baskets money could buy and away we went. So happy! Still 
 knowing 
 nothing! 

 Now those boys are in high school, and I live in a vibrant bike 
 community and suddenly it’s a whole new world for me. Every riding season 
 I 
 end up learning and being stretched. I’m doing new kinds of rides, meeting 
 lots of people, volunteering on bike committees, and venturing a lot 
 further from home. 5 years ago I would never have believed I’d ride a 
 metric century or enjoy club riding. This is all wonderful, but I’m 
 hamstrung by my lack of experience. I always thought dr

[RBW] Re: New Bike Day and other ride photos for the Road Curious

[Doug H.]

Agreed Joe. Bill is a good man. And, what a fleet of bikes! I love the look 
of drop bars on a road bike. To my older eyes they just look appropriate. I 
say that as I'm converting my recently acquired Roadini to an Albatross 
bar. 
Doug

On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 7:10:34 AM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:

> Not only Leah likes those folders, Bill. Sweet!
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 10:52:12 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Well that's just adorable. I mean this absolutely sincerely, you're a 
>> good man Bill Lindsay. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 6:13:33 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You are the absolute best. You made a Ding Ding album? You broke your 
>>> own rules and rode your Romulus! You posed a pink road bike against a 
>>> floral backdrop? Hearts are coming out of my eyes. 
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 8:45:09 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 I built this Romulus over the Winter and have held off taking it on its 
 first ride until after I knocked out another few S.M.A.R.T. goals.  I was 
 especially eager to ride it because I just pulled together a sweet ILE 
 porteur bag setup on a Riv Basket Rack.  Leah's thread that may result in 
 her getting a Romulus finally made me take it out, on a ride to the 
 dentist, the bakery and the wine shop.  Pics prove it happened.  This is 
 my 
 new Ding Ding Album to collect photos that I think Leah may like.  
 Included 
 is my Pink Roadeo in front of some great flowers that I took on my Sunday 
 100k.  

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720316423417/

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

>>>

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