date:20200628

I was really confused at first at the A Homer Hilson, Appaloosa and the new
Atlantis. The sizing is very different than of old, like for my Bleriot
where I ride a 55cm bike, looks like on the Hilson and Appaloosa I would
take a 51cm and on the new Atlantis a 50. So my question for those that
follow this do any of these have a more relaxed geometry or a more
comfortable ride than my Bleriot which is already comfortable? What can
anyone tell me about the sizing changes? When Grant measured me years ago I
believe he had my PBH to 83 or a bit more, while when I had help from my
wife today it was on first measurement 80.645 and on second at 81.28 and a
third at 82.5. Now when Grant measure me I thought I would pass out (well
not really but it was a bit drastic) and the bike had no extra standover
for me. The Bleriot has a bit of standover so I have no doubt that I could
probably go down a bit. It also looks like the TT have gotten even longer
on these bikes, not maybe the added degree of slope makes that a non issue
and maybe there is something there with position of the rider on these.
Do the longer chain stays contribute to more comfort?
I also ride upright.

So I guess I am confused.

Any input is appreciated.

Thanks, Joel

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[RBW] Re: Nitto Campee 34F front rack

2020-06-28 Thread Drw

I used one on a week long tour with front panniers. It did it’s job very well. 
But, like others have said, I’ve learned to lighten my load, and I try to keep 
mostly lighter weight stuff up front. Also, I don’t tour that often, and this 
rack is way overkill for normal riding.

I’d check out the pass and stow racks for something more versatile but still 
capable of heavy duty applications. 

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[RBW] Re: Nitto Campee 34F front rack

2020-06-28 Thread 'Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch

In my experience, Riv's don't handle heavy front loads well, which I 
attribute to their high-trail designs.  I've read posts that claim 
otherwise, but for me even a Berthoud-size bag on a front rack, loaded with 
a moderate-for-its-size weight, isn't as stable as I'd like it to 
be---especially in a cross-wind.  On short tours on my Sam, I carry a large 
or medium Saddlesack on top of a rear rack and a small Saddlesack on a 
Mark's rack in front and that works well.  If I want to carry more weight 
in front then I take a different bike, one with lower trail.  The ride may 
be better with the weight lower than I've used, as with panniers, but I 
haven't tried that.  

Dave
Boston/Indy


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[RBW] Re: Inaugural ride for Matthews Road Bike for Road (AM and Fixed hub 26" wheel road bike)

2020-06-28 Thread 'Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch

Hi Patrick,

Very nice.  Can you post a closer-up picture of your headlight support?  I 
hesitate to mount front or rear lights directly to fenders because of the 
potential stress of the light's weight on the fender, but it look like 
you've conquered that problem.  Thanks.

Dave
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Re: [RBW] 650b new Rivendell models (to me)

2020-06-28 Thread James Valiensi

Hi,
Standover clearance is really over rated. I find that I never stand over my 
bike with both feet on the ground and the bike frame perpendicular to the 
ground. At stops, my right foot is on the peddle and the bike is leaning to 
towards the left. So this adds clearance. I start off by leaning the bike 
towards my left side and swinging my right leg over, and clipping in the right 
pedal. When a start to move, I stand on the right pedal and lift myself on to 
the saddle. So, never is top tube clearance an issue. I’ve ridden bikes that 
had top tubes much higher than my crotch and it was not a problem. 
That said, you should be able to straddle your bike with both feet on the 
ground. But even if the top tube is touching you slightly, you be okay.
If you like to ride upright, then bigger frames are a plus, as long as the top 
tube isn’t too long.
I’ve got a 55cm Rivendell custom and a 51 Joe A. Both fit perfectly. I could 
ride one size smaller or larger on the J.A. But the custom is perfect and 
bigger or smaller would not be acceptable. That has more to do with the head 
tube length and bottom-bracket drop than any other reason. 

Best regards,

> On Jun 28, 2020, at 7:10 AM, Joel Stern  wrote:
> 
> 
> I was really confused at first at the A Homer Hilson, Appaloosa and the new 
> Atlantis. The sizing is very different than of old, like for my Bleriot where 
> I ride a 55cm bike, looks like on the Hilson and Appaloosa I would take a 
> 51cm and on the new Atlantis a 50. So my question for those that follow this 
> do any of these have a more relaxed geometry or a more comfortable ride than 
> my Bleriot which is already comfortable? What can anyone tell me about the 
> sizing changes? When Grant measured me years ago I believe he had my PBH to 
> 83 or a bit more, while when I had help from my wife today it was on first 
> measurement 80.645 and on second at 81.28 and a third at 82.5. Now when Grant 
> measure me I thought I would pass out (well not really but it was a bit 
> drastic) and the bike had no extra standover for me. The Bleriot has a bit of 
> standover so I have no doubt that I could probably go down a bit. It also 
> looks like the TT have gotten even longer on these bikes, not maybe the added 
> degree of slope makes that a non issue and maybe there is something there 
> with position of the rider on these. 
> Do the longer chain stays contribute to more comfort? 
> I also ride upright.
> 
> So I guess I am confused.
> 
> Any input is appreciated.
> 
> Thanks, Joel
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[RBW] Nitto Campee 34F front rack

2020-06-28 Thread Nate in Oakland

I rode with this rack on my Sam for about a year and did a long tour with it.  
The awesome thing is you can just keep loading the thing and you won’t have any 
problems.  There are a few negatives:
-really heavy
-makes handling sluggish
-low rider rails really aren’t that low
-overly stiffens the fork so that you get no fork flex.  Ride ends up being a 
bit rougher.

I’ve converted to Marks rack plus hub area racks for panniers.  Handling is 
much better this way.  I gave my brother this huge front rack for his Clem and 
he claims he could not live without it.

Nate

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[RBW] Re: 650b new Rivendell models (to me)

Joel,

The top tubes of most MIT Rivs (including the MIT AHH and Atlantis) have 
significantly more slope than the older models like your Bleriot.
Therefore the size for a given bar height with respect to seat height is 
smaller, and ones proper size based on pbh is smaller.
Stand over is increased by about half the difference in size (with respect 
to a more horizontal tt model).
Just changing the top tube slope should not cause perceptible differences 
in the ride qualities of an otherwise identical design.
The new MIT Atlantis and AHH also have longer chain stays (and I presume 
wheelbases) than the earlier Toyo and Waterford versions. I think there are 
other threads that speak to how these versions ride and handling compare, 
but a short answer would be longer wb and sitting further from the rear 
axle should give a smoother ride over bumps.

On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 7:10:42 AM UTC-7, Joel Stern wrote:
>
>
> I was really confused at first at the A Homer Hilson, Appaloosa and the 
> new Atlantis. The sizing is very different than of old, like for my Bleriot 
> where I ride a 55cm bike, looks like on the Hilson and Appaloosa I would 
> take a 51cm and on the new Atlantis a 50. So my question for those that 
> follow this do any of these have a more relaxed geometry or a more 
> comfortable ride than my Bleriot which is already comfortable? What can 
> anyone tell me about the sizing changes? When Grant measured me years ago I 
> believe he had my PBH to 83 or a bit more, while when I had help from my 
> wife today it was on first measurement 80.645 and on second at 81.28 and a 
> third at 82.5. Now when Grant measure me I thought I would pass out (well 
> not really but it was a bit drastic) and the bike had no extra standover 
> for me. The Bleriot has a bit of standover so I have no doubt that I could 
> probably go down a bit. It also looks like the TT have gotten even longer 
> on these bikes, not maybe the added degree of slope makes that a non issue 
> and maybe there is something there with position of the rider on these. 
> Do the longer chain stays contribute to more comfort? 
> I also ride upright.
>
> So I guess I am confused.
>
> Any input is appreciated.
>
> Thanks, Joel
>

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Re: [RBW] 650b new Rivendell models (to me)

James, thanks.  I had 3 customs, a 53,54 and after Grant measured my PBH a
56 which gave me no clearance.  The 55cm Bleriot gives me a bit of room.
Sounds like the 51 in the Joe or Homer, or 50 in the Atlantis would work.
I would like to find the most comfortable and stable bike.  The new
geometry seems to be a change due to the sloped TT, I need to learn more
about this.  I like the biggest bike I can ride, I think that is what
confused me with the new sizing.

Thanks

Joel

On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 12:13 PM James Valiensi 
wrote:

> Hi,
> Standover clearance is really over rated. I find that I never stand over
> my bike with both feet on the ground and the bike frame perpendicular to
> the ground. At stops, my right foot is on the peddle and the bike is
> leaning to towards the left. So this adds clearance. I start off by leaning
> the bike towards my left side and swinging my right leg over, and clipping
> in the right pedal. When a start to move, I stand on the right pedal and
> lift myself on to the saddle. So, never is top tube clearance an issue.
> I’ve ridden bikes that had top tubes much higher than my crotch and it was
> not a problem.
> That said, you should be able to straddle your bike with both feet on the
> ground. But even if the top tube is touching you slightly, you be okay.
> If you like to ride upright, then bigger frames are a plus, as long as the
> top tube isn’t too long.
> I’ve got a 55cm Rivendell custom and a 51 Joe A. Both fit perfectly. I
> could ride one size smaller or larger on the J.A. But the custom is perfect
> and bigger or smaller would not be acceptable. That has more to do with the
> head tube length and bottom-bracket drop than any other reason.
>
> Best regards,
>
> On Jun 28, 2020, at 7:10 AM, Joel Stern  wrote:
>
>
> I was really confused at first at the A Homer Hilson, Appaloosa and the
> new Atlantis. The sizing is very different than of old, like for my Bleriot
> where I ride a 55cm bike, looks like on the Hilson and Appaloosa I would
> take a 51cm and on the new Atlantis a 50. So my question for those that
> follow this do any of these have a more relaxed geometry or a more
> comfortable ride than my Bleriot which is already comfortable? What can
> anyone tell me about the sizing changes? When Grant measured me years ago I
> believe he had my PBH to 83 or a bit more, while when I had help from my
> wife today it was on first measurement 80.645 and on second at 81.28 and a
> third at 82.5. Now when Grant measure me I thought I would pass out (well
> not really but it was a bit drastic) and the bike had no extra standover
> for me. The Bleriot has a bit of standover so I have no doubt that I could
> probably go down a bit. It also looks like the TT have gotten even longer
> on these bikes, not maybe the added degree of slope makes that a non issue
> and maybe there is something there with position of the rider on these.
> Do the longer chain stays contribute to more comfort?
> I also ride upright.
>
> So I guess I am confused.
>
> Any input is appreciated.
>
> Thanks, Joel
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Re: [RBW] Re: 650b new Rivendell models (to me)

Ted, thanks.  I am beginning to understand the slopping TT and what that
means. From what I am reading I would be a 51 on the Homer and Appaloosa
and a 50 on the Atlantis.  My Bleriot was a bargain as these new MIT models
are snout what I paid for my first Road, and my next custom was just a tad
more.  The Longer chain stays would be welcome if the increase comfort, my
back would appreciate that.  I am also curious about he stability of the
front end, the Bleriot is good but just today I noticed a bit of a twitchy
feel which could have been me.  I have new 42mm tires on but I don’t think
that would have caused it.

Thanks, Joel

On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 12:46 PM ted  wrote:

> Joel,
>
> The top tubes of most MIT Rivs (including the MIT AHH and Atlantis) have
> significantly more slope than the older models like your Bleriot.
> Therefore the size for a given bar height with respect to seat height is
> smaller, and ones proper size based on pbh is smaller.
> Stand over is increased by about half the difference in size (with respect
> to a more horizontal tt model).
> Just changing the top tube slope should not cause perceptible differences
> in the ride qualities of an otherwise identical design.
> The new MIT Atlantis and AHH also have longer chain stays (and I presume
> wheelbases) than the earlier Toyo and Waterford versions. I think there are
> other threads that speak to how these versions ride and handling compare,
> but a short answer would be longer wb and sitting further from the rear
> axle should give a smoother ride over bumps.
>
> On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 7:10:42 AM UTC-7, Joel Stern wrote:
>>
>>
>> I was really confused at first at the A Homer Hilson, Appaloosa and the
>> new Atlantis. The sizing is very different than of old, like for my Bleriot
>> where I ride a 55cm bike, looks like on the Hilson and Appaloosa I would
>> take a 51cm and on the new Atlantis a 50. So my question for those that
>> follow this do any of these have a more relaxed geometry or a more
>> comfortable ride than my Bleriot which is already comfortable? What can
>> anyone tell me about the sizing changes? When Grant measured me years ago I
>> believe he had my PBH to 83 or a bit more, while when I had help from my
>> wife today it was on first measurement 80.645 and on second at 81.28 and a
>> third at 82.5. Now when Grant measure me I thought I would pass out (well
>> not really but it was a bit drastic) and the bike had no extra standover
>> for me. The Bleriot has a bit of standover so I have no doubt that I could
>> probably go down a bit. It also looks like the TT have gotten even longer
>> on these bikes, not maybe the added degree of slope makes that a non issue
>> and maybe there is something there with position of the rider on these.
>> Do the longer chain stays contribute to more comfort?
>> I also ride upright.
>>
>> So I guess I am confused.
>>
>> Any input is appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks, Joel
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 650b new Rivendell models (to me)

2020-06-28 Thread Doug Hansford

Joel,
Funny about Grant measuring your PBH. I've never been to Rivendell but have 
talked to Grant about bikes by phone. He asked my PBH and I told him I 
measured it at 83 and he said "you're probably an 85". I think he figures 
most folks don't get all the way up to bone when they measure. I like 
having at least an inch clearance even though I can ride a bike with less, 
I'm always thinking about a quick dismount off of the saddle. My latest 
bike, a GT steel commuter build has a 32.5 inch stand over measurement and 
I have clearance.of more than an inch. So, I think Grant is actually right 
about my PBH being closer to 85 than 83. I'd say buy the largest frame you 
can comfortable straddle so that you can adjust reach with handlebar and 
stem changes. A too small bike I think limits what you can do for your 
cockpit options.
Doug Hansford

On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 12:57:49 PM UTC-4, Joel Stern wrote:
>
> Ted, thanks.  I am beginning to understand the slopping TT and what that 
> means. From what I am reading I would be a 51 on the Homer and Appaloosa 
> and a 50 on the Atlantis.  My Bleriot was a bargain as these new MIT models 
> are snout what I paid for my first Road, and my next custom was just a tad 
> more.  The Longer chain stays would be welcome if the increase comfort, my 
> back would appreciate that.  I am also curious about he stability of the 
> front end, the Bleriot is good but just today I noticed a bit of a twitchy 
> feel which could have been me.  I have new 42mm tires on but I don’t think 
> that would have caused it.  
>
> Thanks, Joel
>
> On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 12:46 PM ted > 
> wrote:
>
>> Joel,
>>
>> The top tubes of most MIT Rivs (including the MIT AHH and Atlantis) have 
>> significantly more slope than the older models like your Bleriot.
>> Therefore the size for a given bar height with respect to seat height is 
>> smaller, and ones proper size based on pbh is smaller.
>> Stand over is increased by about half the difference in size (with 
>> respect to a more horizontal tt model).
>> Just changing the top tube slope should not cause perceptible differences 
>> in the ride qualities of an otherwise identical design.
>> The new MIT Atlantis and AHH also have longer chain stays (and I presume 
>> wheelbases) than the earlier Toyo and Waterford versions. I think there are 
>> other threads that speak to how these versions ride and handling compare, 
>> but a short answer would be longer wb and sitting further from the rear 
>> axle should give a smoother ride over bumps.
>>
>> On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 7:10:42 AM UTC-7, Joel Stern wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I was really confused at first at the A Homer Hilson, Appaloosa and the 
>>> new Atlantis. The sizing is very different than of old, like for my Bleriot 
>>> where I ride a 55cm bike, looks like on the Hilson and Appaloosa I would 
>>> take a 51cm and on the new Atlantis a 50. So my question for those that 
>>> follow this do any of these have a more relaxed geometry or a more 
>>> comfortable ride than my Bleriot which is already comfortable? What can 
>>> anyone tell me about the sizing changes? When Grant measured me years ago I 
>>> believe he had my PBH to 83 or a bit more, while when I had help from my 
>>> wife today it was on first measurement 80.645 and on second at 81.28 and a 
>>> third at 82.5. Now when Grant measure me I thought I would pass out (well 
>>> not really but it was a bit drastic) and the bike had no extra standover 
>>> for me. The Bleriot has a bit of standover so I have no doubt that I could 
>>> probably go down a bit. It also looks like the TT have gotten even longer 
>>> on these bikes, not maybe the added degree of slope makes that a non issue 
>>> and maybe there is something there with position of the rider on these. 
>>> Do the longer chain stays contribute to more comfort? 
>>> I also ride upright.
>>>
>>> So I guess I am confused.
>>>
>>> Any input is appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thanks, Joel
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 650b new Rivendell models (to me)

Hi Doug, I have been buying the largest I could ride, that is why the ‘new
sizing’ confused me.  I am learning about how it relates to the TT newer
slope.  I think Grant had me at or close to 84, I got as high as about
82.5.  Will try one more time later.  I agree with you on riding as large
as I can, I was very confused until some have pointed out the change in ti
TT, which would also make them measure longer unless I am confused on that
as well.  Think I will call Riv tomorrow.

Thanks, Joel

On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 1:10 PM Doug Hansford 
wrote:

> Joel,
> Funny about Grant measuring your PBH. I've never been to Rivendell but
> have talked to Grant about bikes by phone. He asked my PBH and I told him I
> measured it at 83 and he said "you're probably an 85". I think he figures
> most folks don't get all the way up to bone when they measure. I like
> having at least an inch clearance even though I can ride a bike with less,
> I'm always thinking about a quick dismount off of the saddle. My latest
> bike, a GT steel commuter build has a 32.5 inch stand over measurement and
> I have clearance.of more than an inch. So, I think Grant is actually right
> about my PBH being closer to 85 than 83. I'd say buy the largest frame you
> can comfortable straddle so that you can adjust reach with handlebar and
> stem changes. A too small bike I think limits what you can do for your
> cockpit options.
> Doug Hansford
>
> On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 12:57:49 PM UTC-4, Joel Stern wrote:
>>
>> Ted, thanks.  I am beginning to understand the slopping TT and what that
>> means. From what I am reading I would be a 51 on the Homer and Appaloosa
>> and a 50 on the Atlantis.  My Bleriot was a bargain as these new MIT models
>> are snout what I paid for my first Road, and my next custom was just a tad
>> more.  The Longer chain stays would be welcome if the increase comfort, my
>> back would appreciate that.  I am also curious about he stability of the
>> front end, the Bleriot is good but just today I noticed a bit of a twitchy
>> feel which could have been me.  I have new 42mm tires on but I don’t think
>> that would have caused it.
>>
>> Thanks, Joel
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 12:46 PM ted  wrote:
>>
>>> Joel,
>>>
>>> The top tubes of most MIT Rivs (including the MIT AHH and Atlantis) have
>>> significantly more slope than the older models like your Bleriot.
>>> Therefore the size for a given bar height with respect to seat height is
>>> smaller, and ones proper size based on pbh is smaller.
>>> Stand over is increased by about half the difference in size (with
>>> respect to a more horizontal tt model).
>>> Just changing the top tube slope should not cause perceptible
>>> differences in the ride qualities of an otherwise identical design.
>>> The new MIT Atlantis and AHH also have longer chain stays (and I presume
>>> wheelbases) than the earlier Toyo and Waterford versions. I think there are
>>> other threads that speak to how these versions ride and handling compare,
>>> but a short answer would be longer wb and sitting further from the rear
>>> axle should give a smoother ride over bumps.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 7:10:42 AM UTC-7, Joel Stern wrote:

 I was really confused at first at the A Homer Hilson, Appaloosa and the
 new Atlantis. The sizing is very different than of old, like for my Bleriot
 where I ride a 55cm bike, looks like on the Hilson and Appaloosa I would
 take a 51cm and on the new Atlantis a 50. So my question for those that
 follow this do any of these have a more relaxed geometry or a more
 comfortable ride than my Bleriot which is already comfortable? What can
 anyone tell me about the sizing changes? When Grant measured me years ago I
 believe he had my PBH to 83 or a bit more, while when I had help from my
 wife today it was on first measurement 80.645 and on second at 81.28 and a
 third at 82.5. Now when Grant measure me I thought I would pass out (well
 not really but it was a bit drastic) and the bike had no extra standover
 for me. The Bleriot has a bit of standover so I have no doubt that I could
 probably go down a bit. It also looks like the TT have gotten even longer
 on these bikes, not maybe the added degree of slope makes that a non issue
 and maybe there is something there with position of the rider on these.
 Do the longer chain stays contribute to more comfort?
 I also ride upright.

 So I guess I am confused.

 Any input is appreciated.

 Thanks, Joel

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Re: [RBW] Re: 650b new Rivendell models (to me)

Hey Joel,

Prices have certainly gone up since the Bleriot days, I think a lot of that 
is just years of inflation but still ...

I encourage you to give the fine folks at RBW WH a call to discuss ride and 
handling of current models wrt your Bleriot. 
That said I would expect the AHH to be closer to your Bleriot but perhaps a 
bit more stable, and the Joe A and Atlantis to be more stable. 

regards
ted

On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 9:57:49 AM UTC-7, Joel Stern wrote:
>
> Ted, thanks.  I am beginning to understand the slopping TT and what that 
> means. From what I am reading I would be a 51 on the Homer and Appaloosa 
> and a 50 on the Atlantis.  My Bleriot was a bargain as these new MIT models 
> are snout what I paid for my first Road, and my next custom was just a tad 
> more.  The Longer chain stays would be welcome if the increase comfort, my 
> back would appreciate that.  I am also curious about he stability of the 
> front end, the Bleriot is good but just today I noticed a bit of a twitchy 
> feel which could have been me.  I have new 42mm tires on but I don’t think 
> that would have caused it.  
>
> Thanks, Joel
>
> On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 12:46 PM ted > 
> wrote:
>
>> Joel,
>>
>> The top tubes of most MIT Rivs (including the MIT AHH and Atlantis) have 
>> significantly more slope than the older models like your Bleriot.
>> Therefore the size for a given bar height with respect to seat height is 
>> smaller, and ones proper size based on pbh is smaller.
>> Stand over is increased by about half the difference in size (with 
>> respect to a more horizontal tt model).
>> Just changing the top tube slope should not cause perceptible differences 
>> in the ride qualities of an otherwise identical design.
>> The new MIT Atlantis and AHH also have longer chain stays (and I presume 
>> wheelbases) than the earlier Toyo and Waterford versions. I think there are 
>> other threads that speak to how these versions ride and handling compare, 
>> but a short answer would be longer wb and sitting further from the rear 
>> axle should give a smoother ride over bumps.
>>
>> On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 7:10:42 AM UTC-7, Joel Stern wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I was really confused at first at the A Homer Hilson, Appaloosa and the 
>>> new Atlantis. The sizing is very different than of old, like for my Bleriot 
>>> where I ride a 55cm bike, looks like on the Hilson and Appaloosa I would 
>>> take a 51cm and on the new Atlantis a 50. So my question for those that 
>>> follow this do any of these have a more relaxed geometry or a more 
>>> comfortable ride than my Bleriot which is already comfortable? What can 
>>> anyone tell me about the sizing changes? When Grant measured me years ago I 
>>> believe he had my PBH to 83 or a bit more, while when I had help from my 
>>> wife today it was on first measurement 80.645 and on second at 81.28 and a 
>>> third at 82.5. Now when Grant measure me I thought I would pass out (well 
>>> not really but it was a bit drastic) and the bike had no extra standover 
>>> for me. The Bleriot has a bit of standover so I have no doubt that I could 
>>> probably go down a bit. It also looks like the TT have gotten even longer 
>>> on these bikes, not maybe the added degree of slope makes that a non issue 
>>> and maybe there is something there with position of the rider on these. 
>>> Do the longer chain stays contribute to more comfort? 
>>> I also ride upright.
>>>
>>> So I guess I am confused.
>>>
>>> Any input is appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thanks, Joel
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Single-speed country bike(?)

2020-06-28 Thread S

Grant mentioned that a new single speed frame of some kind was a 
possibility, but that if it happens, it won't be anytime soon. 

On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 2:02:48 PM UTC-7 Tully Lanter wrote:

> I seem to recall a mention of a single-speed country bike in the works, 
> but can't for the life of me find the thread. It may have been a few months 
> ago.
>
> Anyhow, is that the case, or strictly fanciful? I'm generally out of touch 
> with RBW news these days...
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Re: [RBW] Re: 650b new Rivendell models (to me)

Ted, I have had 8 Rivendells before my accident 10 years ago, 4 were still
with me.  Sold 3 of my last 4 as I thought I would not ride again but kept
the Bleriot in the hope that I would as I bonded with the 650b.  Now
retired and riding again and I have not touched my 401 money.  Maybe I
deserve a treat.

On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 1:24 PM ted  wrote:

> Hey Joel,
>
> Prices have certainly gone up since the Bleriot days, I think a lot of
> that is just years of inflation but still ...
>
> I encourage you to give the fine folks at RBW WH a call to discuss ride
> and handling of current models wrt your Bleriot.
> That said I would expect the AHH to be closer to your Bleriot but perhaps
> a bit more stable, and the Joe A and Atlantis to be more stable.
>
> regards
> ted
>
> On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 9:57:49 AM UTC-7, Joel Stern wrote:
>>
>> Ted, thanks.  I am beginning to understand the slopping TT and what that
>> means. From what I am reading I would be a 51 on the Homer and Appaloosa
>> and a 50 on the Atlantis.  My Bleriot was a bargain as these new MIT models
>> are snout what I paid for my first Road, and my next custom was just a tad
>> more.  The Longer chain stays would be welcome if the increase comfort, my
>> back would appreciate that.  I am also curious about he stability of the
>> front end, the Bleriot is good but just today I noticed a bit of a twitchy
>> feel which could have been me.  I have new 42mm tires on but I don’t think
>> that would have caused it.
>>
>> Thanks, Joel
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 12:46 PM ted  wrote:
>>
>>> Joel,
>>>
>>> The top tubes of most MIT Rivs (including the MIT AHH and Atlantis) have
>>> significantly more slope than the older models like your Bleriot.
>>> Therefore the size for a given bar height with respect to seat height is
>>> smaller, and ones proper size based on pbh is smaller.
>>> Stand over is increased by about half the difference in size (with
>>> respect to a more horizontal tt model).
>>> Just changing the top tube slope should not cause perceptible
>>> differences in the ride qualities of an otherwise identical design.
>>> The new MIT Atlantis and AHH also have longer chain stays (and I presume
>>> wheelbases) than the earlier Toyo and Waterford versions. I think there are
>>> other threads that speak to how these versions ride and handling compare,
>>> but a short answer would be longer wb and sitting further from the rear
>>> axle should give a smoother ride over bumps.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 7:10:42 AM UTC-7, Joel Stern wrote:

 I was really confused at first at the A Homer Hilson, Appaloosa and the
 new Atlantis. The sizing is very different than of old, like for my Bleriot
 where I ride a 55cm bike, looks like on the Hilson and Appaloosa I would
 take a 51cm and on the new Atlantis a 50. So my question for those that
 follow this do any of these have a more relaxed geometry or a more
 comfortable ride than my Bleriot which is already comfortable? What can
 anyone tell me about the sizing changes? When Grant measured me years ago I
 believe he had my PBH to 83 or a bit more, while when I had help from my
 wife today it was on first measurement 80.645 and on second at 81.28 and a
 third at 82.5. Now when Grant measure me I thought I would pass out (well
 not really but it was a bit drastic) and the bike had no extra standover
 for me. The Bleriot has a bit of standover so I have no doubt that I could
 probably go down a bit. It also looks like the TT have gotten even longer
 on these bikes, not maybe the added degree of slope makes that a non issue
 and maybe there is something there with position of the rider on these.
 Do the longer chain stays contribute to more comfort?
 I also ride upright.

 So I guess I am confused.

 Any input is appreciated.

 Thanks, Joel

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Re: [RBW] Re: 650b new Rivendell models (to me)

2020-06-28 Thread Doug Hansford

Joel,
Tap that 401k!! Have you seen Joe B.'s custom? It has a nice sloping top 
tube and I think maybe 650b? You SHOULD treat yourself to a retirement 
gift. All those years of saving in your retirement accounts was good 
discipline and now you should not feel guilty for investing in a nice bike. 
Riding has so many benefits both mental and physical that I think it would 
be money well spent. If Joe sees this maybe he can tell you about is custom 
and the process he went through the come up with the design.
Doug Hansford

On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 1:53:23 PM UTC-4, Joel Stern wrote:
>
> Ted, I have had 8 Rivendells before my accident 10 years ago, 4 were still 
> with me.  Sold 3 of my last 4 as I thought I would not ride again but kept 
> the Bleriot in the hope that I would as I bonded with the 650b.  Now 
> retired and riding again and I have not touched my 401 money.  Maybe I 
> deserve a treat.  
>
> On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 1:24 PM ted > 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey Joel,
>>
>> Prices have certainly gone up since the Bleriot days, I think a lot of 
>> that is just years of inflation but still ...
>>
>> I encourage you to give the fine folks at RBW WH a call to discuss ride 
>> and handling of current models wrt your Bleriot. 
>> That said I would expect the AHH to be closer to your Bleriot but perhaps 
>> a bit more stable, and the Joe A and Atlantis to be more stable. 
>>
>> regards
>> ted
>>
>> On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 9:57:49 AM UTC-7, Joel Stern wrote:
>>>
>>> Ted, thanks.  I am beginning to understand the slopping TT and what that 
>>> means. From what I am reading I would be a 51 on the Homer and Appaloosa 
>>> and a 50 on the Atlantis.  My Bleriot was a bargain as these new MIT models 
>>> are snout what I paid for my first Road, and my next custom was just a tad 
>>> more.  The Longer chain stays would be welcome if the increase comfort, my 
>>> back would appreciate that.  I am also curious about he stability of the 
>>> front end, the Bleriot is good but just today I noticed a bit of a twitchy 
>>> feel which could have been me.  I have new 42mm tires on but I don’t think 
>>> that would have caused it.  
>>>
>>> Thanks, Joel
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 12:46 PM ted  wrote:
>>>
 Joel,

 The top tubes of most MIT Rivs (including the MIT AHH and Atlantis) 
 have significantly more slope than the older models like your Bleriot.
 Therefore the size for a given bar height with respect to seat height 
 is smaller, and ones proper size based on pbh is smaller.
 Stand over is increased by about half the difference in size (with 
 respect to a more horizontal tt model).
 Just changing the top tube slope should not cause perceptible 
 differences in the ride qualities of an otherwise identical design.
 The new MIT Atlantis and AHH also have longer chain stays (and I 
 presume wheelbases) than the earlier Toyo and Waterford versions. I think 
 there are other threads that speak to how these versions ride and handling 
 compare, but a short answer would be longer wb and sitting further from 
 the 
 rear axle should give a smoother ride over bumps.

 On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 7:10:42 AM UTC-7, Joel Stern wrote:
>
>
> I was really confused at first at the A Homer Hilson, Appaloosa and 
> the new Atlantis. The sizing is very different than of old, like for my 
> Bleriot where I ride a 55cm bike, looks like on the Hilson and Appaloosa 
> I 
> would take a 51cm and on the new Atlantis a 50. So my question for those 
> that follow this do any of these have a more relaxed geometry or a more 
> comfortable ride than my Bleriot which is already comfortable? What can 
> anyone tell me about the sizing changes? When Grant measured me years ago 
> I 
> believe he had my PBH to 83 or a bit more, while when I had help from my 
> wife today it was on first measurement 80.645 and on second at 81.28 and 
> a 
> third at 82.5. Now when Grant measure me I thought I would pass out (well 
> not really but it was a bit drastic) and the bike had no extra standover 
> for me. The Bleriot has a bit of standover so I have no doubt that I 
> could 
> probably go down a bit. It also looks like the TT have gotten even longer 
> on these bikes, not maybe the added degree of slope makes that a non 
> issue 
> and maybe there is something there with position of the rider on these. 
> Do the longer chain stays contribute to more comfort? 
> I also ride upright.
>
> So I guess I am confused.
>
> Any input is appreciated.
>
> Thanks, Joel
>
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[RBW] Re: Inaugural ride for Matthews Road Bike for Road (AM and Fixed hub 26" wheel road bike)

2020-06-28 Thread Garth



   What brand/model of seat pack is that Patrick ?  

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[RBW] Re: FS Tires, stems, bars

2020-06-28 Thread Tom Palmer

Hi Andrew,
Tried to reply privately from desktop and failed. I will take the Albatross 
bars. 
Tom Palmer
Volvotom1964 at gmail dot com
On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 2:04:44 PM UTC-4 Andrew Huston wrote:

>
> Soma Cazadero 650x50, pair, brand new   $80 plus shipping
>
> Nitto Technomic 10cm $25 shipped
>
> Nitto 12cm (off Clem H, Tallux maybe?) $25 shipped
>
> Nitto Albatross CrMo, mounted and ridden around neighborhood once  $65 
> shipped
>
> [image: IMG_5398.jpeg]
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 650b new Rivendell models (to me)

Joe Bernard?  I have not seen his custom but until I started riding again I
have not been active here.  Something to think about.  First I thought you
were talking about a Joe built, he did my 56cm Joel Green.

On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 2:12 PM Doug Hansford 
wrote:

> Joel,
> Tap that 401k!! Have you seen Joe B.'s custom? It has a nice sloping top
> tube and I think maybe 650b? You SHOULD treat yourself to a retirement
> gift. All those years of saving in your retirement accounts was good
> discipline and now you should not feel guilty for investing in a nice bike.
> Riding has so many benefits both mental and physical that I think it would
> be money well spent. If Joe sees this maybe he can tell you about is custom
> and the process he went through the come up with the design.
> Doug Hansford
>
> On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 1:53:23 PM UTC-4, Joel Stern wrote:
>>
>> Ted, I have had 8 Rivendells before my accident 10 years ago, 4 were
>> still with me.  Sold 3 of my last 4 as I thought I would not ride again but
>> kept the Bleriot in the hope that I would as I bonded with the 650b.  Now
>> retired and riding again and I have not touched my 401 money.  Maybe I
>> deserve a treat.
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 1:24 PM ted  wrote:
>>
> Hey Joel,
>>>
>>> Prices have certainly gone up since the Bleriot days, I think a lot of
>>> that is just years of inflation but still ...
>>>
>>> I encourage you to give the fine folks at RBW WH a call to discuss ride
>>> and handling of current models wrt your Bleriot.
>>> That said I would expect the AHH to be closer to your Bleriot but
>>> perhaps a bit more stable, and the Joe A and Atlantis to be more stable.
>>>
>>> regards
>>> ted
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 9:57:49 AM UTC-7, Joel Stern wrote:

 Ted, thanks.  I am beginning to understand the slopping TT and what
 that means. From what I am reading I would be a 51 on the Homer and
 Appaloosa and a 50 on the Atlantis.  My Bleriot was a bargain as these new
 MIT models are snout what I paid for my first Road, and my next custom was
 just a tad more.  The Longer chain stays would be welcome if the increase
 comfort, my back would appreciate that.  I am also curious about he
 stability of the front end, the Bleriot is good but just today I noticed a
 bit of a twitchy feel which could have been me.  I have new 42mm tires on
 but I don’t think that would have caused it.

 Thanks, Joel

 On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 12:46 PM ted  wrote:

> Joel,
>
> The top tubes of most MIT Rivs (including the MIT AHH and Atlantis)
> have significantly more slope than the older models like your Bleriot.
> Therefore the size for a given bar height with respect to seat height
> is smaller, and ones proper size based on pbh is smaller.
> Stand over is increased by about half the difference in size (with
> respect to a more horizontal tt model).
> Just changing the top tube slope should not cause perceptible
> differences in the ride qualities of an otherwise identical design.
> The new MIT Atlantis and AHH also have longer chain stays (and I
> presume wheelbases) than the earlier Toyo and Waterford versions. I think
> there are other threads that speak to how these versions ride and handling
> compare, but a short answer would be longer wb and sitting further from 
> the
> rear axle should give a smoother ride over bumps.
>
> On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 7:10:42 AM UTC-7, Joel Stern wrote:
>>
>>
>> I was really confused at first at the A Homer Hilson, Appaloosa and
>> the new Atlantis. The sizing is very different than of old, like for my
>> Bleriot where I ride a 55cm bike, looks like on the Hilson and Appaloosa 
>> I
>> would take a 51cm and on the new Atlantis a 50. So my question for those
>> that follow this do any of these have a more relaxed geometry or a more
>> comfortable ride than my Bleriot which is already comfortable? What can
>> anyone tell me about the sizing changes? When Grant measured me years 
>> ago I
>> believe he had my PBH to 83 or a bit more, while when I had help from my
>> wife today it was on first measurement 80.645 and on second at 81.28 and 
>> a
>> third at 82.5. Now when Grant measure me I thought I would pass out (well
>> not really but it was a bit drastic) and the bike had no extra standover
>> for me. The Bleriot has a bit of standover so I have no doubt that I 
>> could
>> probably go down a bit. It also looks like the TT have gotten even longer
>> on these bikes, not maybe the added degree of slope makes that a non 
>> issue
>> and maybe there is something there with position of the rider on these.
>> Do the longer chain stays contribute to more comfort?
>> I also ride upright.
>>
>> So I guess I am confused.
>>
>> Any input is appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks, Joel

[RBW] Re: Bike frame suggestions for longish distance 95% road comfort

I just looked at a few of the close ups, this one probably sports a bit too 
much patina for the price. (Though it certainly wouldn't put me off if I 
could get a better deal on it, or if I knew it would be a keeper.) Happy 
hunting!

On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 2:40:33 PM UTC-4, Mark Roland wrote:
>
> Here is one more your size and price range--under a grand for complete 
> bike. In my experience, these types of bikes will handle a light handlebar 
> bag fine, but you did say saddlebag. The Banana Sack from Riv goes both 
> ways. And if you don't like the vintage Dura Ace parts, you can sell them 
> for a few dollars. I believe this comes with 27" wheels, which, in my 
> experience, means you will almost certainly clear 32mm, probably 35mm.
>
> [image: bob jackson.jpg]
>
>
> On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 2:31:23 PM UTC-4, Mark Roland wrote:
>>
>>
>> Craig wrote: 
>> *Of course, locating one of these gems might be a bit problematic. *
>>
>> Not really. Just type in Reynolds 531 
>> 
>>  
>> and watch them appear before your eyes. This load even includes a 
>> Holdworth, though it's a Professional, not a Mistral.
>>
>> Here's my favorite from the ones I got to. Too bad it is from a seller 
>> that consistently prices too high--I guess because they are a charity? 
>> Sadly, 3x over your budget. And why they call it a "Professional Tourer" 
>> who knows. Sweet though! Love that color (I might take the decals off the 
>> fork.):
>>
>> [image: lime green tigra.jpg]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 12:07:24 AM UTC-4, Craig Montgomery wrote:
>>>
>>> Go vintage. Can't go wrong in frame design but finish is dicey. 
>>> Paramount P15 or one of the Japanese classics like a Miyata 1000 or 
>>> Centurion ProTour. English from 60's. 70's would thrill you. You'd love a 
>>> Holdsworth Mistral. Trek 520's, 620's, 720's. Of course, locating one of 
>>> these gems might be a bit problematic. 
>>>
>>> Craig in Tucson
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 7:06:09 PM UTC-7, Andrew Turner wrote:
>>>
 Hello Group.
 Maybe I'll just start this conversation off with what I'm searching for 
 and I'll add the backstory after. 

- steel frame + fork (lugged preferably) that could clear 700x32 
tires 
- rim brake
- lightish tubing ( I weigh a scant 132lbs at 6'1") 
- DT shifter braze-ons 
- Trying to keep the price to no more than $1000 for frame + fork
- Frames of all ages welcome 
- Designed to hold weight in the front (but I can make do with a 
saddlebag)

 Bikes I've had in the past to try to fit these requirements: 

- VO Campeur: way better suited for heavy touring. Way stouter than 
I need.
- Black Mtn Cycles monster cross: pretty nice but that frame really 
wanted tires in the 38mm+ range which is overkill for me. 
- Rivendell Roadini: damn fine frame and very comfortable. Tig 
welded though and I might've gotten too large of frame with the 61cm. 
 On my 
list of possibilities though. The quality was also a disappointment for 
 my 
first riv, chipped paint out of the box and very poorly installed 
 headset. 

 I just got done with my first longer ride on a 58cm Gazelle Champion 
 Mondial AA frame . I built it up because riding my first brevet on the VO 
 Campeur a year ago made me realize how important a more nimble bike, 
 especially for majority road use, is. But I might've gone too far. It's a 
 rocket no doubt but I found it fatiguing having to stay so vigilant on 
 descents. And putting the weight up front lead to a very close call down a 
 particularly sketchy downhill. I think slacker geometry might help with 
 that ;) 

 All this to say, if any of you rando kids have some suggestions I'm all 
 ears! 

 Thanks Group, 
 Andrew



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[RBW] Re: FS Tires, stems, bars

2020-06-28 Thread Andrew Huston

Gotcha Tom. I’ll email you shortly. 

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[RBW] Re: Bike frame suggestions for longish distance 95% road comfort


Oops, one more and I promise to stop Shopping Vicariously. Just a few past 
the Bob Jackson is a Trek 620. Still overpriced in my view (though again, 
if you use it, it's still cheaper than a new tigged frame and will last at 
least as long), but a known geometry.

Trek 520's, 620's, 720's. Of course, locating one of these gems might be a 
bit problematic. 

>
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 On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 7:06:09 PM UTC-7, Andrew Turner wrote:

> Hello Group.
> Maybe I'll just start this conversation off with what I'm searching 
> for and I'll add the backstory after. 
>
>- steel frame + fork (lugged preferably) that could clear 700x32 
>tires 
>- rim brake
>- lightish tubing ( I weigh a scant 132lbs at 6'1") 
>- DT shifter braze-ons 
>- Trying to keep the price to no more than $1000 for frame + fork
>- Frames of all ages welcome 
>- Designed to hold weight in the front (but I can make do with a 
>saddlebag)
>
> Bikes I've had in the past to try to fit these requirements: 
>
>- VO Campeur: way better suited for heavy touring. Way stouter 
>than I need.
>- Black Mtn Cycles monster cross: pretty nice but that frame 
>really wanted tires in the 38mm+ range which is overkill for me. 
>- Rivendell Roadini: damn fine frame and very comfortable. Tig 
>welded though and I might've gotten too large of frame with the 61cm. 
> On my 
>list of possibilities though. The quality was also a disappointment 
> for my 
>first riv, chipped paint out of the box and very poorly installed 
> headset. 
>
> I just got done with my first longer ride on a 58cm Gazelle Champion 
> Mondial AA frame . I built it up because riding my first brevet on the VO 
> Campeur a year ago made me realize how important a more nimble bike, 
> especially for majority road use, is. But I might've gone too far. It's a 
> rocket no doubt but I found it fatiguing having to stay so vigilant on 
> descents. And putting the weight up front lead to a very close call down 
> a 
> particularly sketchy downhill. I think slacker geometry might help with 
> that ;) 
>
> All this to say, if any of you rando kids have some suggestions I'm 
> all ears! 
>
> Thanks Group, 
> Andrew
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 650b new Rivendell models (to me)

Here's a couple more photos. 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/3wpygKkdeVfaAzh47

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Re: [RBW] Re: 650b new Rivendell models (to me)

Yes, you really no longer need to think in terms of "largest size" with the 
newer Rivendels. The idea behind that was based on the more traditional 
diamond frame with level or only slightly sloping top tube, so that you 
could get handlebars high. 
The newer frames account for that without needing to size up. The only 
dilemma some face now is being squarely in the middle of two sizes, since 
there is a lot of overlap. So for instance, I have a 52 Clem L and am 
waiting on a 56 Susie. Very very similar geometries, but I can comfortably 
fit either one.

On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 1:17:55 PM UTC-4, Joel Stern wrote:
>
> Hi Doug, I have been buying the largest I could ride, that is why the ‘new 
> sizing’ confused me.  I am learning about how it relates to the TT newer 
> slope.  I think Grant had me at or close to 84, I got as high as about 
> 82.5.  Will try one more time later.  I agree with you on riding as large 
> as I can, I was very confused until some have pointed out the change in ti 
> TT, which would also make them measure longer unless I am confused on that 
> as well.  Think I will call Riv tomorrow.
>
> Thanks, Joel
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 1:10 PM Doug Hansford  > wrote:
>
>> Joel,
>> Funny about Grant measuring your PBH. I've never been to Rivendell but 
>> have talked to Grant about bikes by phone. He asked my PBH and I told him I 
>> measured it at 83 and he said "you're probably an 85". I think he figures 
>> most folks don't get all the way up to bone when they measure. I like 
>> having at least an inch clearance even though I can ride a bike with less, 
>> I'm always thinking about a quick dismount off of the saddle. My latest 
>> bike, a GT steel commuter build has a 32.5 inch stand over measurement and 
>> I have clearance.of more than an inch. So, I think Grant is actually right 
>> about my PBH being closer to 85 than 83. I'd say buy the largest frame you 
>> can comfortable straddle so that you can adjust reach with handlebar and 
>> stem changes. A too small bike I think limits what you can do for your 
>> cockpit options.
>> Doug Hansford
>>
>> On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 12:57:49 PM UTC-4, Joel Stern wrote:
>>>
>>> Ted, thanks.  I am beginning to understand the slopping TT and what that 
>>> means. From what I am reading I would be a 51 on the Homer and Appaloosa 
>>> and a 50 on the Atlantis.  My Bleriot was a bargain as these new MIT models 
>>> are snout what I paid for my first Road, and my next custom was just a tad 
>>> more.  The Longer chain stays would be welcome if the increase comfort, my 
>>> back would appreciate that.  I am also curious about he stability of the 
>>> front end, the Bleriot is good but just today I noticed a bit of a twitchy 
>>> feel which could have been me.  I have new 42mm tires on but I don’t think 
>>> that would have caused it.  
>>>
>>> Thanks, Joel
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 12:46 PM ted  wrote:
>>>
 Joel,

 The top tubes of most MIT Rivs (including the MIT AHH and Atlantis) 
 have significantly more slope than the older models like your Bleriot.
 Therefore the size for a given bar height with respect to seat height 
 is smaller, and ones proper size based on pbh is smaller.
 Stand over is increased by about half the difference in size (with 
 respect to a more horizontal tt model).
 Just changing the top tube slope should not cause perceptible 
 differences in the ride qualities of an otherwise identical design.
 The new MIT Atlantis and AHH also have longer chain stays (and I 
 presume wheelbases) than the earlier Toyo and Waterford versions. I think 
 there are other threads that speak to how these versions ride and handling 
 compare, but a short answer would be longer wb and sitting further from 
 the 
 rear axle should give a smoother ride over bumps.

 On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 7:10:42 AM UTC-7, Joel Stern wrote:
>
>
> I was really confused at first at the A Homer Hilson, Appaloosa and 
> the new Atlantis. The sizing is very different than of old, like for my 
> Bleriot where I ride a 55cm bike, looks like on the Hilson and Appaloosa 
> I 
> would take a 51cm and on the new Atlantis a 50. So my question for those 
> that follow this do any of these have a more relaxed geometry or a more 
> comfortable ride than my Bleriot which is already comfortable? What can 
> anyone tell me about the sizing changes? When Grant measured me years ago 
> I 
> believe he had my PBH to 83 or a bit more, while when I had help from my 
> wife today it was on first measurement 80.645 and on second at 81.28 and 
> a 
> third at 82.5. Now when Grant measure me I thought I would pass out (well 
> not really but it was a bit drastic) and the bike had no extra standover 
> for me. The Bleriot has a bit of standover so I have no doubt that I 
> could 
> probably go down a bit. It also looks like the

Re: [RBW] Re: 650b new Rivendell models (to me)

Joel, 

About the production frames, I had a 51cm Appaloosa, great bike, I think you 
would love it. 

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[RBW] Re: Bike frame suggestions for longish distance 95% road comfort

2020-06-28 Thread Paul Brodek

My retentiveness is having issues with how wide you're throwing your net, 
especially regarding handling, and where you want to put your weight. I 
wouldn't want to drop serious $$$ into a frame meant for long-distance 
comfort and handling till I knew what geometry works best for me.

My base prejudices: I don't do brevets/randos, I don't like low-trail 
handling, I prefer small-shop, handbuilt frames to production frames. The 
first two kinda don't matter, I think, because I'm not recommending any 
specific builders or geometry. But you did ask for feedback from rando 
kids, and I'm about as far away as you could get from either of those 
words. And it helps explain why I'm not necessarily making specific recs. 
The third does matter, which you'll see below.

My advice:
#1. Decide whether you want low-trail or med-/hi-trail. Don't spend serious 
$$$ until you know this
#2. If you can't decide #1 yet, drop your budget to $200-$300 and get a few 
lower-end, heavier frames to figure out #1
#3. Once you've decided #1, put lugs further down on your list
#4. Work to see if you can get your budget up at least a few $hundred 
higher than $1k
#5. If you can do #4, look for a builder who can either build custom in 
that price range, or is building small-batch frames in that price range
#6. If you can't do #4, look for folks selling those small-batch frames 
used, and throw a wider net. Include paceline, velocipede salon, ebay, 
pinkbike, craigslist, +++
#7. If you're looking at buying used, putting WTB ads in the classifieds 
doesn't hurt, just don't be obnoxious. Bunch o' folks have frames sitting 
around not on the front burner to sell, but if someone pipes up and wants 
something just like that, well, you could shake something loose 

I think knowing your preferred geo/handling is key, don't want to sound 
like a broken record, so I'll leave it there.

Putting lugs further down your list means you're open to more small-batch 
builders who are doing tig'd construction.

Small-batch vs production: If I wanted a really nice low-trail, 
brevet-ready bike, I'd rather be on the lookout for an Ocean Air Rambler, 
Boulder Allround, Lyons L'av (too lazy to google the spelling), 
Norther/Lyons joint frame, etc than a vintage production almost anything. 
No disrespect to Craig M. and his awesome vintage machines and his 
expertise, but for me the production Paramounts, Miyatas, Bridgestones, 
etc, would be my test beds for the really nice frame. And gol darn I'd 
rather have something that came from a small, scrappy builder who knows how 
to torch a purpose-built frame than any '70s-'80s Trek production frame. 
I'd gladly give up lugs for that.  

BTW, if you decide you'd rather have mid-trail, and more weight in the 
back, there's not only likely equivalents of the frames I mentioned above, 
but maybe even more stuff available.

And I'm not really up on the gravel/groad scene, but if you decide 
mid-trail is better than lo-trail, should be lots of 1st-/2nd-gen groad 
frames out there that don't have disc brakes and carbon forks and disc 
brakes and thru-axles that might work well.  

Last thing that comes to mind is that very few tall production frames from 
the late-'70s through '80s were designed with 6'+ riders who only weighed 
132lbs in mind, and they were built to minimize warranty claims when ridden 
sloppily by big lunks. And if they were '80s touring frames, they were 
built assuming you'd have 40lbs+ lashed to front/rear racks. "Nimble" is 
not the adjective that comes to mind.

Guess that's all the words I have on this for now.

Paul Brodek
Hillsdale, NJ USA

On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 10:06:09 PM UTC-4, Andrew Turner wrote:
>
> Hello Group.
> Maybe I'll just start this conversation off with what I'm searching for 
> and I'll add the backstory after. 
>
>- steel frame + fork (lugged preferably) that could clear 700x32 tires 
>- rim brake
>- lightish tubing ( I weigh a scant 132lbs at 6'1") 
>- DT shifter braze-ons 
>- Trying to keep the price to no more than $1000 for frame + fork
>- Frames of all ages welcome 
>- Designed to hold weight in the front (but I can make do with a 
>saddlebag)
>
> Bikes I've had in the past to try to fit these requirements: 
>
>- VO Campeur: way better suited for heavy touring. Way stouter than I 
>need.
>- Black Mtn Cycles monster cross: pretty nice but that frame really 
>wanted tires in the 38mm+ range which is overkill for me. 
>- Rivendell Roadini: damn fine frame and very comfortable. Tig welded 
>though and I might've gotten too large of frame with the 61cm. On my list 
>of possibilities though. The quality was also a disappointment for my 
> first 
>riv, chipped paint out of the box and very poorly installed headset. 
>
> I just got done with my first longer ride on a 58cm Gazelle Champion 
> Mondial AA frame . I built it up because riding my first brevet on the VO 
> Campeur a year ago made me realize

[RBW] Re: Rene Herse Tires with tubes

2020-06-28 Thread Brady Smith

An update: I bought a pair of Snoqualmie Pass tires with the standard casing 
last week and set them up right away. They went on to my TB14 rims fairly 
easily and are an absolute joy to ride. Plenty fast on the road, but they 
really have me seeking out what limited gravel roads and trails we have out 
here in north NJ. Thanks for all the input!

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[RBW] Re: FS Tires, stems, bars

2020-06-28 Thread Andrew Huston

Bars and stems sold. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Tektro 538/539/559 Medium-/Long-Reach Dual-Pivot Calipers

Mine are sold now, too. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: 650b new Rivendell models (to me)

Speaking of which (sorry I'm not remembering everything and putting it all in 
one post), Rich Lesnik @ Riv is selling a very nice 51 Appa. Look for his post 
"mustard-gold Appaloosa" on this list. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: 650b new Rivendell models (to me)

Joe, absolutely beautiful, and a one of a kind.

On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 2:49 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> You mean this one?? Definitely long chainstays which was Grant's choice,
> and I picked the drop-toptube because I like the clearance and the look.
> The look gave me the heart seatlug and RBW decal up there in the air above
> the toptube where everyone can see it..swanky! For reference I'm about
> Joel's height and the measurements are (approximately) 54cm seattube and
> 63cm effective toptube. On paper the front sounds crazy long for my height,
> but in practice with the high-and-reaching-back bars I use it's perfect.
> Incredibly stable frame which still turns nicely, it's a great bike.
>
> On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 11:12:11 AM UTC-7 Doug Hansford wrote:
>
>> Joel,
>> Tap that 401k!! Have you seen Joe B.'s custom? It has a nice sloping top
>> tube and I think maybe 650b? You SHOULD treat yourself to a retirement
>> gift. All those years of saving in your retirement accounts was good
>> discipline and now you should not feel guilty for investing in a nice bike.
>> Riding has so many benefits both mental and physical that I think it would
>> be money well spent. If Joe sees this maybe he can tell you about is custom
>> and the process he went through the come up with the design.
>> Doug Hansford
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 1:53:23 PM UTC-4, Joel Stern wrote:
>>
>>> Ted, I have had 8 Rivendells before my accident 10 years ago, 4 were
>>> still with me.  Sold 3 of my last 4 as I thought I would not ride again but
>>> kept the Bleriot in the hope that I would as I bonded with the 650b.  Now
>>> retired and riding again and I have not touched my 401 money.  Maybe I
>>> deserve a treat.
>>>
>> On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 1:24 PM ted  wrote:
>>>
>> Hey Joel,

 Prices have certainly gone up since the Bleriot days, I think a lot of
 that is just years of inflation but still ...

 I encourage you to give the fine folks at RBW WH a call to discuss ride
 and handling of current models wrt your Bleriot.
 That said I would expect the AHH to be closer to your Bleriot but
 perhaps a bit more stable, and the Joe A and Atlantis to be more stable.

 regards
 ted

 On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 9:57:49 AM UTC-7, Joel Stern wrote:
>
> Ted, thanks.  I am beginning to understand the slopping TT and what
> that means. From what I am reading I would be a 51 on the Homer and
> Appaloosa and a 50 on the Atlantis.  My Bleriot was a bargain as these new
> MIT models are snout what I paid for my first Road, and my next custom was
> just a tad more.  The Longer chain stays would be welcome if the increase
> comfort, my back would appreciate that.  I am also curious about he
> stability of the front end, the Bleriot is good but just today I noticed a
> bit of a twitchy feel which could have been me.  I have new 42mm tires on
> but I don’t think that would have caused it.
>
> Thanks, Joel
>
> On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 12:46 PM ted  wrote:
>
>> Joel,
>>
>> The top tubes of most MIT Rivs (including the MIT AHH and Atlantis)
>> have significantly more slope than the older models like your Bleriot.
>> Therefore the size for a given bar height with respect to seat height
>> is smaller, and ones proper size based on pbh is smaller.
>> Stand over is increased by about half the difference in size (with
>> respect to a more horizontal tt model).
>> Just changing the top tube slope should not cause perceptible
>> differences in the ride qualities of an otherwise identical design.
>> The new MIT Atlantis and AHH also have longer chain stays (and I
>> presume wheelbases) than the earlier Toyo and Waterford versions. I think
>> there are other threads that speak to how these versions ride and 
>> handling
>> compare, but a short answer would be longer wb and sitting further from 
>> the
>> rear axle should give a smoother ride over bumps.
>>
>> On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 7:10:42 AM UTC-7, Joel Stern wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I was really confused at first at the A Homer Hilson, Appaloosa and
>>> the new Atlantis. The sizing is very different than of old, like for my
>>> Bleriot where I ride a 55cm bike, looks like on the Hilson and 
>>> Appaloosa I
>>> would take a 51cm and on the new Atlantis a 50. So my question for those
>>> that follow this do any of these have a more relaxed geometry or a more
>>> comfortable ride than my Bleriot which is already comfortable? What can
>>> anyone tell me about the sizing changes? When Grant measured me years 
>>> ago I
>>> believe he had my PBH to 83 or a bit more, while when I had help from my
>>> wife today it was on first measurement 80.645 and on second at 81.28 
>>> and a
>>> third at 82.5. Now when Grant measure me I thought I would pass out 
>>> (well
>>>

Re: [RBW] Re: 650b new Rivendell models (to me)

I’m waiting for him to get back to me thanks

On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 3:24 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Speaking of which (sorry I'm not remembering everything and putting it all
> in one post), Rich Lesnik @ Riv is selling a very nice 51 Appa. Look for
> his post "mustard-gold Appaloosa" on this list.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 650b new Rivendell models (to me)

Joe, I think so too but no new ones for now.  It seems to be what I am
thinking about.  Not sure if you have had a Bleriot,  rode mine today, had
a close call, my fault and another with what I will call stability of the
front.  Just put on 42cm tires (has 32 Grand Boise before) but I know that
was not the issue.  So I would like a more comfortable if possible bike and
a soft stable ride.

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> Joel,
>
> About the production frames, I had a 51cm Appaloosa, great bike, I think
> you would love it.
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Re: [RBW] Re: 650b new Rivendell models (to me)

Joel,

I'm sure you deserve a 401k funded retirement treat. It's great you are 
able to ride again. I too am recently (~1.5yr) retired. Great deal aint it? 
Everybody should be so lucky.

On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 10:53:23 AM UTC-7, Joel Stern wrote:
>
> Ted, I have had 8 Rivendells before my accident 10 years ago, 4 were still 
> with me.  Sold 3 of my last 4 as I thought I would not ride again but kept 
> the Bleriot in the hope that I would as I bonded with the 650b.  Now 
> retired and riding again and I have not touched my 401 money.  Maybe I 
> deserve a treat.  
>
> On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 1:24 PM ted > 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey Joel,
>>
>> Prices have certainly gone up since the Bleriot days, I think a lot of 
>> that is just years of inflation but still ...
>>
>> I encourage you to give the fine folks at RBW WH a call to discuss ride 
>> and handling of current models wrt your Bleriot. 
>> That said I would expect the AHH to be closer to your Bleriot but perhaps 
>> a bit more stable, and the Joe A and Atlantis to be more stable. 
>>
>> regards
>> ted
>>
>> On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 9:57:49 AM UTC-7, Joel Stern wrote:
>>>
>>> Ted, thanks.  I am beginning to understand the slopping TT and what that 
>>> means. From what I am reading I would be a 51 on the Homer and Appaloosa 
>>> and a 50 on the Atlantis.  My Bleriot was a bargain as these new MIT models 
>>> are snout what I paid for my first Road, and my next custom was just a tad 
>>> more.  The Longer chain stays would be welcome if the increase comfort, my 
>>> back would appreciate that.  I am also curious about he stability of the 
>>> front end, the Bleriot is good but just today I noticed a bit of a twitchy 
>>> feel which could have been me.  I have new 42mm tires on but I don’t think 
>>> that would have caused it.  
>>>
>>> Thanks, Joel
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 12:46 PM ted  wrote:
>>>
 Joel,

 The top tubes of most MIT Rivs (including the MIT AHH and Atlantis) 
 have significantly more slope than the older models like your Bleriot.
 Therefore the size for a given bar height with respect to seat height 
 is smaller, and ones proper size based on pbh is smaller.
 Stand over is increased by about half the difference in size (with 
 respect to a more horizontal tt model).
 Just changing the top tube slope should not cause perceptible 
 differences in the ride qualities of an otherwise identical design.
 The new MIT Atlantis and AHH also have longer chain stays (and I 
 presume wheelbases) than the earlier Toyo and Waterford versions. I think 
 there are other threads that speak to how these versions ride and handling 
 compare, but a short answer would be longer wb and sitting further from 
 the 
 rear axle should give a smoother ride over bumps.

 On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 7:10:42 AM UTC-7, Joel Stern wrote:
>
>
> I was really confused at first at the A Homer Hilson, Appaloosa and 
> the new Atlantis. The sizing is very different than of old, like for my 
> Bleriot where I ride a 55cm bike, looks like on the Hilson and Appaloosa 
> I 
> would take a 51cm and on the new Atlantis a 50. So my question for those 
> that follow this do any of these have a more relaxed geometry or a more 
> comfortable ride than my Bleriot which is already comfortable? What can 
> anyone tell me about the sizing changes? When Grant measured me years ago 
> I 
> believe he had my PBH to 83 or a bit more, while when I had help from my 
> wife today it was on first measurement 80.645 and on second at 81.28 and 
> a 
> third at 82.5. Now when Grant measure me I thought I would pass out (well 
> not really but it was a bit drastic) and the bike had no extra standover 
> for me. The Bleriot has a bit of standover so I have no doubt that I 
> could 
> probably go down a bit. It also looks like the TT have gotten even longer 
> on these bikes, not maybe the added degree of slope makes that a non 
> issue 
> and maybe there is something there with position of the rider on these. 
> Do the longer chain stays contribute to more comfort? 
> I also ride upright.
>
> So I guess I am confused.
>
> Any input is appreciated.
>
> Thanks, Joel
>
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[RBW] Re: Single-speed country bike(?)

First there was the QB
After a hiatus, there was one batch of SOs.
Another hiatus.
Then the Blue Lug instigated FJ Sr.
And another hiatus.

Another dedicated single speed coming out wouldn't surprise me.
I also wouldn't hold my breath.
RBW has a lot on their plate at the moment, and SS models don't seem to do 
all that well for them (IIRC the SO's were cleared out at a slight 
discount).

On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 10:30:50 AM UTC-7, S wrote:
>
> Grant mentioned that a new single speed frame of some kind was a 
> possibility, but that if it happens, it won't be anytime soon. 
>
> On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 2:02:48 PM UTC-7 Tully Lanter wrote:
>
>> I seem to recall a mention of a single-speed country bike in the works, 
>> but can't for the life of me find the thread. It may have been a few months 
>> ago.
>>
>> Anyhow, is that the case, or strictly fanciful? I'm generally out of 
>> touch with RBW news these days...
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 650b new Rivendell models (to me)

Indeed it is.  I was out before retirement after 2 back surgeries, hence my
fear of riding, but after 2 successful RFA treatments pain is controlled.
I used to be embarrassed when people asked what I do all day, now I just
say, I’m retired, whatever I want.  And now I can ride again, life is good.


On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 3:38 PM ted  wrote:

> Joel,
>
> I'm sure you deserve a 401k funded retirement treat. It's great you are
> able to ride again. I too am recently (~1.5yr) retired. Great deal aint it?
> Everybody should be so lucky.
>
> On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 10:53:23 AM UTC-7, Joel Stern wrote:
>>
>> Ted, I have had 8 Rivendells before my accident 10 years ago, 4 were
>> still with me.  Sold 3 of my last 4 as I thought I would not ride again but
>> kept the Bleriot in the hope that I would as I bonded with the 650b.  Now
>> retired and riding again and I have not touched my 401 money.  Maybe I
>> deserve a treat.
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 1:24 PM ted  wrote:
>>
> Hey Joel,
>>>
>>> Prices have certainly gone up since the Bleriot days, I think a lot of
>>> that is just years of inflation but still ...
>>>
>>> I encourage you to give the fine folks at RBW WH a call to discuss ride
>>> and handling of current models wrt your Bleriot.
>>> That said I would expect the AHH to be closer to your Bleriot but
>>> perhaps a bit more stable, and the Joe A and Atlantis to be more stable.
>>>
>>> regards
>>> ted
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 9:57:49 AM UTC-7, Joel Stern wrote:

 Ted, thanks.  I am beginning to understand the slopping TT and what
 that means. From what I am reading I would be a 51 on the Homer and
 Appaloosa and a 50 on the Atlantis.  My Bleriot was a bargain as these new
 MIT models are snout what I paid for my first Road, and my next custom was
 just a tad more.  The Longer chain stays would be welcome if the increase
 comfort, my back would appreciate that.  I am also curious about he
 stability of the front end, the Bleriot is good but just today I noticed a
 bit of a twitchy feel which could have been me.  I have new 42mm tires on
 but I don’t think that would have caused it.

 Thanks, Joel

 On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 12:46 PM ted  wrote:

> Joel,
>
> The top tubes of most MIT Rivs (including the MIT AHH and Atlantis)
> have significantly more slope than the older models like your Bleriot.
> Therefore the size for a given bar height with respect to seat height
> is smaller, and ones proper size based on pbh is smaller.
> Stand over is increased by about half the difference in size (with
> respect to a more horizontal tt model).
> Just changing the top tube slope should not cause perceptible
> differences in the ride qualities of an otherwise identical design.
> The new MIT Atlantis and AHH also have longer chain stays (and I
> presume wheelbases) than the earlier Toyo and Waterford versions. I think
> there are other threads that speak to how these versions ride and handling
> compare, but a short answer would be longer wb and sitting further from 
> the
> rear axle should give a smoother ride over bumps.
>
> On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 7:10:42 AM UTC-7, Joel Stern wrote:
>>
>>
>> I was really confused at first at the A Homer Hilson, Appaloosa and
>> the new Atlantis. The sizing is very different than of old, like for my
>> Bleriot where I ride a 55cm bike, looks like on the Hilson and Appaloosa 
>> I
>> would take a 51cm and on the new Atlantis a 50. So my question for those
>> that follow this do any of these have a more relaxed geometry or a more
>> comfortable ride than my Bleriot which is already comfortable? What can
>> anyone tell me about the sizing changes? When Grant measured me years 
>> ago I
>> believe he had my PBH to 83 or a bit more, while when I had help from my
>> wife today it was on first measurement 80.645 and on second at 81.28 and 
>> a
>> third at 82.5. Now when Grant measure me I thought I would pass out (well
>> not really but it was a bit drastic) and the bike had no extra standover
>> for me. The Bleriot has a bit of standover so I have no doubt that I 
>> could
>> probably go down a bit. It also looks like the TT have gotten even longer
>> on these bikes, not maybe the added degree of slope makes that a non 
>> issue
>> and maybe there is something there with position of the rider on these.
>> Do the longer chain stays contribute to more comfort?
>> I also ride upright.
>>
>> So I guess I am confused.
>>
>> Any input is appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks, Joel
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 650b new Rivendell models (to me)

Joel,

I've owned a 55 Bleriot. Nice bike, too long ago to remember steering but even 
then that frame was too talk for me and I'm certainly older/creakier now. I 
know there's another opinion on this thread about standover not being 
important, but it is to me..I like knowing when I pop of the saddle and put one 
foot down at a stop that nothing is landing on a toptube. It's better for 
getting on and off, too.

On our height range that puts us on a 51 Appa or 50 Atlantis - basically the 
same bike - for diamond frames with some clearance, or a 55 Cheviot. 

For less money and WAY more clearance..Clem Smith L. I'll bet you would LOVE 
that bike. If you're an old school guy like me you'll struggle a bit with the 
"lady's bike" style, but I've gotten past that. It works; Grant has two of them 
(I don't think he ever bought an H); and as my friend who's a lady and rides 
one says, "High toptubes are stupid!" 😁 

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[RBW] Re: Rene Herse Tires with tubes

I just put on a set of standard Baby Pass with tubes.  I cannot speak of 
durability but they sure ride nice.  I’m keeping the PSI down to 40.  

On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 3:09:37 PM UTC-4 Brady Smith wrote:

> An update: I bought a pair of Snoqualmie Pass tires with the standard 
> casing last week and set them up right away. They went on to my TB14 rims 
> fairly easily and are an absolute joy to ride. Plenty fast on the road, but 
> they really have me seeking out what limited gravel roads and trails we 
> have out here in north NJ. Thanks for all the input!

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[RBW] Re: Bike frame suggestions for longish distance 95% road comfort

2020-06-28 Thread jack loudon

I would add the Rawland Nordavinden to your list.  It meets every one of 
your criteria (except tigged frame) and its standard diameter thinwall 
tubing would complement your light weight.  It's low trail though, so as 
Paul said, it's important to know your preferences.  I eventually decided 
low trail wasn't for me but liked the frame so much I had a mid-high trail 
fork built for it, and now can't think of another production frame that 
would meet my needs as well, at any price.  

Jack - Seattle

On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 7:06:09 PM UTC-7, Andrew Turner wrote:
>
> Hello Group.
> Maybe I'll just start this conversation off with what I'm searching for 
> and I'll add the backstory after.
>
>- steel frame + fork (lugged preferably) that could clear 700x32 tires 
>- rim brakes
>- lightish tubing ( I weigh a scant 132lbs at 6'1") 
>- DT shifter braze-ons 
>- Trying to keep the price to no more than $1000 for frame + fork
>- Frames of all ages welcome 
>- Designed to hold weight in the front (but I can make do with a 
>saddlebag)
>
> Bikes I've had in the past to try to fit these requirements: 
>
>- VO Campeur: way better suited for heavy touring. Way stouter than I 
>need.
>- Black Mtn Cycles monster cross: pretty nice but that frame really 
>wanted tires in the 38mm+ range which is overkill for me. 
>- Rivendell Roadini: damn fine frame and very comfortable. Tig welded 
>though and I might've gotten too large of frame with the 61cm. On my list 
>of possibilities though. The quality was also a disappointment for my 
> first 
>riv, chipped paint out of the box and very poorly installed headset. 
>
> I just got done with my first longer ride on a 58cm Gazelle Champion 
> Mondial AA frame . I built it up because riding my first brevet on the VO 
> Campeur a year ago made me realize how important a more nimble bike, 
> especially for majority road use, is. But I might've gone too far. It's a 
> rocket no doubt but I found it fatiguing having to stay so vigilant on 
> descents. And putting the weight up front lead to a very close call down a 
> particularly sketchy downhill. I think slacker geometry might help with 
> that ;) 
>
> All this to say, if any of you rando kids have some suggestions I'm all 
> ears! 
>
> Thanks Group, 
> Andrew
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 650b new Rivendell models (to me)

Joe, you pinned me, the lady like frame is hard for me but the Atlantis and
Appaloosa (should it come back in stock) are looking very nice to me.  My
thoughts are to use my components from the Bleriot, will never find the
Suntour stuff I have again, and if I love it then I can get some other
components for the Bleriot or sell the frame.  I do like having 2 bikes but
it is not a necessity anymore. If my hands don’t get better (I am ok on the
bike with them) I can sell my guitars and buy whatever I want.  Thanks
again Joe, great connecting with old iBob  and RBW friends again.

On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 3:53 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Joel,
>
> I've owned a 55 Bleriot. Nice bike, too long ago to remember steering but
> even then that frame was too talk for me and I'm certainly older/creakier
> now. I know there's another opinion on this thread about standover not
> being important, but it is to me..I like knowing when I pop of the saddle
> and put one foot down at a stop that nothing is landing on a toptube. It's
> better for getting on and off, too.
>
> On our height range that puts us on a 51 Appa or 50 Atlantis - basically
> the same bike - for diamond frames with some clearance, or a 55 Cheviot.
>
> For less money and WAY more clearance..Clem Smith L. I'll bet you would
> LOVE that bike. If you're an old school guy like me you'll struggle a bit
> with the "lady's bike" style, but I've gotten past that. It works; Grant
> has two of them (I don't think he ever bought an H); and as my friend who's
> a lady and rides one says, "High toptubes are stupid!" 😁
>
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[RBW] Re: Bike frame suggestions for longish distance 95% road comfort

2020-06-28 Thread Brady Smith

If you decide low trail is what you want, you might consider the Soma Grand 
Randonneur. Designed by the Boulder Bicycle people, but way, way cheaper 
than their All-Road. If I had funds for a third bike, it would probably be 
the one I'd choose. 

On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 10:06:09 PM UTC-4, Andrew Turner wrote:
>
> Hello Group.
> Maybe I'll just start this conversation off with what I'm searching for 
> and I'll add the backstory after. 
>
>- steel frame + fork (lugged preferably) that could clear 700x32 tires 
>- rim brake
>- lightish tubing ( I weigh a scant 132lbs at 6'1") 
>- DT shifter braze-ons 
>- Trying to keep the price to no more than $1000 for frame + fork
>- Frames of all ages welcome 
>- Designed to hold weight in the front (but I can make do with a 
>saddlebag)
>
> Bikes I've had in the past to try to fit these requirements: 
>
>- VO Campeur: way better suited for heavy touring. Way stouter than I 
>need.
>- Black Mtn Cycles monster cross: pretty nice but that frame really 
>wanted tires in the 38mm+ range which is overkill for me. 
>- Rivendell Roadini: damn fine frame and very comfortable. Tig welded 
>though and I might've gotten too large of frame with the 61cm. On my list 
>of possibilities though. The quality was also a disappointment for my 
> first 
>riv, chipped paint out of the box and very poorly installed headset. 
>
> I just got done with my first longer ride on a 58cm Gazelle Champion 
> Mondial AA frame . I built it up because riding my first brevet on the VO 
> Campeur a year ago made me realize how important a more nimble bike, 
> especially for majority road use, is. But I might've gone too far. It's a 
> rocket no doubt but I found it fatiguing having to stay so vigilant on 
> descents. And putting the weight up front lead to a very close call down a 
> particularly sketchy downhill. I think slacker geometry might help with 
> that ;) 
>
> All this to say, if any of you rando kids have some suggestions I'm all 
> ears! 
>
> Thanks Group, 
> Andrew
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 650b new Rivendell models (to me)

If you can do 26" wheels there's a 50cm Atlantis frame on the Riv site. You'll 
need to score new (or used from Craigslist) wheels, but this would keep wheels 
under the Bleriot for rebuilding that frame later.
 https://www.rivbike.com/products/copy-of-50cm-atlantis-demo-bike

PS. The latest 50cm Atlantis is 650B, this is a slightly older frame. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: 650b new Rivendell models (to me)

I don't know, I never bonded with 26" wheels, my AR was never a favorite
but it was nice just never a first choice.

I actually have an extra rear build up with a FW (which brings up the other
issue, do I want to go cassette, but I see no real reason too). Also, any
thumb shifters are out as I have basal joint arthritis, had 2 surgeries on
the right, the last one is not helping too much, had the other two
surgeries in 2009 and both failed within 5 years. So bar ends are good for
me, friction is fine, I have no real issue with index if I was to go to 8
or 9 speed which maybe is a consideration and then leave me with a double
instead of a triple. I have a few parts at home as I sold most on these
sites when I had lost most of my hope of riding again but parts are always
going to be available, I just may have to change some of my wants. I did
not know you can use sidepulls with the Atlantas but from reading it seems
you can use these or Cantis.

For $100 more I can get, if I decide on the Atlantis the current geometry
which may suit me better.

I will call and try to get Mark tomorrow as Mark has always been a great
asset.

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> If you can do 26" wheels there's a 50cm Atlantis frame on the Riv site.
> You'll need to score new (or used from Craigslist) wheels, but this would
> keep wheels under the Bleriot for rebuilding that frame later.
>  https://www.rivbike.com/products/copy-of-50cm-atlantis-demo-bike
>
> PS. The latest 50cm Atlantis is 650B, this is a slightly older frame.
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Re: [RBW] Re: 650b new Rivendell models (to me)

Sounds like a plan, Joel, Mark will definitely show you the way to go. 

About the arthritis which I also have, is one hand worse than the other? My bad 
one is the right and if you look closely at my custom you'll see that the 
shifters are swapped. Most of my shifting is the rear and done with my left 
hand on an index thumby; the right is a Silver Power Ratchet which I don't use 
much, and when I do I push/pull with my whole hand to avoid thumb pain. 
Whichever kind you use - barcons are great - I recommend putting the most-used 
shifter in your strongest hand.

Have fun Riv shopping and keep us posted!  

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Re: [RBW] Re: 650b new Rivendell models (to me)

Well Joe, now that is a good question. It goes back and forth., So I had
this revision surgery in December on my right and it is about 30% better
but if I use it to work around the house it flares. But now the left has
gotten worse due to my using it more and I just had an injection because it
was terrible and my thumb is locking (it did that on the other as well but
the surgery did take care of that). I have found the Albatross bars a
blessing for this, I can rest my hands in different positions and I wear
both hand braces called collums and old style leather and chochet gloves,
but I have to be careful because the meaty part just behind the thumb can
flare as well. I know i am going to have to address these again sooner than
later, seeing a different doc as the one that did his surgery tried
something called a mini tightrope, too hard to explain for now. He wants to
experiment by moving something around, hence a third surgery with another
2+ month recovery and just a hunch that it will help. So I am off to see a
highly regarded hand surgeon (I saw about 7 before the last surgery and
thought I picked the best). So short answer, they both can be terrible and
I can use the barcons without using my thumbs which saves me.  Sorry for
the long description, but I bet you understand.

On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 5:01 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Sounds like a plan, Joel, Mark will definitely show you the way to go.
>
> About the arthritis which I also have, is one hand worse than the other?
> My bad one is the right and if you look closely at my custom you'll see
> that the shifters are swapped. Most of my shifting is the rear and done
> with my left hand on an index thumby; the right is a Silver Power Ratchet
> which I don't use much, and when I do I push/pull with my whole hand to
> avoid thumb pain. Whichever kind you use - barcons are great - I recommend
> putting the most-used shifter in your strongest hand.
>
> Have fun Riv shopping and keep us posted!
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Re: [RBW] Re: 650b new Rivendell models (to me)

Joe, just looked at the bike again, are the shifters friction or have you
gone to index? Index may be in the cards for me but then I would have to
build up another rear wheel and I have that spare Velocity rear that I was
using for the rollers with fork mount when I could after my surgery. Also,
do you find the B17 comfortable for a more upright ride? I am using the
discontinued B68 and it is ok, sometimes I think too wide but I sold all of
my B 17's. So many foolish moves, I had a great parts draw.

On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 2:49 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> You mean this one?? Definitely long chainstays which was Grant's choice,
> and I picked the drop-toptube because I like the clearance and the look.
> The look gave me the heart seatlug and RBW decal up there in the air above
> the toptube where everyone can see it..swanky! For reference I'm about
> Joel's height and the measurements are (approximately) 54cm seattube and
> 63cm effective toptube. On paper the front sounds crazy long for my height,
> but in practice with the high-and-reaching-back bars I use it's perfect.
> Incredibly stable frame which still turns nicely, it's a great bike.
>
> On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 11:12:11 AM UTC-7 Doug Hansford wrote:
>
>> Joel,
>> Tap that 401k!! Have you seen Joe B.'s custom? It has a nice sloping top
>> tube and I think maybe 650b? You SHOULD treat yourself to a retirement
>> gift. All those years of saving in your retirement accounts was good
>> discipline and now you should not feel guilty for investing in a nice bike.
>> Riding has so many benefits both mental and physical that I think it would
>> be money well spent. If Joe sees this maybe he can tell you about is custom
>> and the process he went through the come up with the design.
>> Doug Hansford
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 1:53:23 PM UTC-4, Joel Stern wrote:
>>
>>> Ted, I have had 8 Rivendells before my accident 10 years ago, 4 were
>>> still with me.  Sold 3 of my last 4 as I thought I would not ride again but
>>> kept the Bleriot in the hope that I would as I bonded with the 650b.  Now
>>> retired and riding again and I have not touched my 401 money.  Maybe I
>>> deserve a treat.
>>>
>> On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 1:24 PM ted  wrote:
>>>
>> Hey Joel,

 Prices have certainly gone up since the Bleriot days, I think a lot of
 that is just years of inflation but still ...

 I encourage you to give the fine folks at RBW WH a call to discuss ride
 and handling of current models wrt your Bleriot.
 That said I would expect the AHH to be closer to your Bleriot but
 perhaps a bit more stable, and the Joe A and Atlantis to be more stable.

 regards
 ted

 On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 9:57:49 AM UTC-7, Joel Stern wrote:
>
> Ted, thanks.  I am beginning to understand the slopping TT and what
> that means. From what I am reading I would be a 51 on the Homer and
> Appaloosa and a 50 on the Atlantis.  My Bleriot was a bargain as these new
> MIT models are snout what I paid for my first Road, and my next custom was
> just a tad more.  The Longer chain stays would be welcome if the increase
> comfort, my back would appreciate that.  I am also curious about he
> stability of the front end, the Bleriot is good but just today I noticed a
> bit of a twitchy feel which could have been me.  I have new 42mm tires on
> but I don’t think that would have caused it.
>
> Thanks, Joel
>
> On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 12:46 PM ted  wrote:
>
>> Joel,
>>
>> The top tubes of most MIT Rivs (including the MIT AHH and Atlantis)
>> have significantly more slope than the older models like your Bleriot.
>> Therefore the size for a given bar height with respect to seat height
>> is smaller, and ones proper size based on pbh is smaller.
>> Stand over is increased by about half the difference in size (with
>> respect to a more horizontal tt model).
>> Just changing the top tube slope should not cause perceptible
>> differences in the ride qualities of an otherwise identical design.
>> The new MIT Atlantis and AHH also have longer chain stays (and I
>> presume wheelbases) than the earlier Toyo and Waterford versions. I think
>> there are other threads that speak to how these versions ride and 
>> handling
>> compare, but a short answer would be longer wb and sitting further from 
>> the
>> rear axle should give a smoother ride over bumps.
>>
>> On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 7:10:42 AM UTC-7, Joel Stern wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I was really confused at first at the A Homer Hilson, Appaloosa and
>>> the new Atlantis. The sizing is very different than of old, like for my
>>> Bleriot where I ride a 55cm bike, looks like on the Hilson and 
>>> Appaloosa I
>>> would take a 51cm and on the new Atlantis a 50. So my question for those
>>> that follow this do any of these have a more relaxed geomet

Re: [RBW] Re: 650b new Rivendell models (to me)

Really nice. I may have to decide if I will use my side pulls (if I can) or
go to Cantis. Only used Cantis on my allrounder many years ago and sold a
NOS pair of Suntour Expert I think a couple of years back. I want something
easy to release and reattach.

Nice colors too. Beautiful bike

On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 2:53 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Here's a couple more photos.
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/3wpygKkdeVfaAzh47
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[RBW] Nitto Campee 34F front rack

2020-06-28 Thread maxcr

I wasn’t able to mount it so can’t comment on feel, but have a 34F in great 
shape for sale in case you’re looking for a used one ($150)
Max

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Re: [RBW] Re: 650b new Rivendell models (to me)

Index rear, friction front..my days of pretending I have the patience for rear 
friction are DONE. 

I highly recommend the Shimano DXR v-brakes you see on my bike, they're super 
easy to disconnect for wheel removal. And pretty! 

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[RBW] Re: Bosco / Clem riders: Do your knees hit the bars?

2020-06-28 Thread Ed Carolipio

Knee hitting isn't unusual with bars that go back, an upright riding 
position, and when riding very slowly around turns (though the bar ends 
make it happen at a shallower turn angle). I have a 78cm PBH and it has 
happened to me with: Bosco on a Clem, Bosco on a Bubbe, Albatross on an 
Appa, and Billie on a Hillsen. It shouldn't be happening at speed since one 
tends to steer by flopping the bike sideways rather than turning the 
handlebars.

--Ed C.

On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 8:53:45 AM UTC-7 BlackBomber wrote:

> I'm in the process of building up a Clem H with 55cm Boscos, and a 115mm 
> reach "7" stem. The stem is a placeholder until my 120mm Tallux comes in, 
> but that won't give much more room. Note that a 45cm complete would have 
> come with the shorter 110mm stem. Anyway, it seems like the bars and my 
> knees will be in conflict on some turns. Something I'm familiar with 
> (owning a couple of pre-WWII American bikes). I also have bar end shifters, 
> although I think it would be a problem with thumbies, also. The bars are 
> raised with the grips resting about an inch higher than my seat, and maybe 
> a 10-12 degree rotation back. I'm 5'4" with a 79cm PBH on a 45cm frame. It 
> was a toss up between the 45 and 52, and I felt more comfortable with the 
> idea of a 45 as 52 is just about where I feel comfortable on a road bike, 
> and I wanted more standover. Plus my converted MTB build I'm replacing has 
> the same top tube length as my Clem, and I feel great on that bike.
>
> So my question is, when properly fitted, do these bars interfere with 
> knees in real world riding, or did I pick the wrong size frame?
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Re: [RBW] Re: 650b new Rivendell models (to me)

Joe, thanks.  I was thinking about maybe going cassette and index.  It is
probably easier on your hands.  I have a nice Deore 9 speed rear
derailleur.  I have velocity synergy rims now, wonder what looks good
today?

I will have to learn more about V brakes, I see from reading on Rivendell
that Grant is a fan of them.  I’ll take a look.

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> Index rear, friction front..my days of pretending I have the patience for
> rear friction are DONE.
>
> I highly recommend the Shimano DXR v-brakes you see on my bike, they're
> super easy to disconnect for wheel removal. And pretty!
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[RBW] Re: Bike frame suggestions for longish distance 95% road comfort

2020-06-28 Thread Andrew Turner

Thank you all for the incredible information. I really do appreciate the 
time spent on my hunt for a glass hammer! Iv'e got a couple candidates so 
far, one being a local seller with a 93' (same age as me!) RB-1 frameset 
and another with a Mercian I'd like to get additional info on. The longer 
wheelbase of the Mercian is very tempting but I've also heard the RB-1 
rides stable for it's geo so more to come. 

Wishing everyone good health, 
Andrew

On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 3:19:47 PM UTC-5 Brady Smith wrote:

> If you decide low trail is what you want, you might consider the Soma 
> Grand Randonneur. Designed by the Boulder Bicycle people, but way, way 
> cheaper than their All-Road. If I had funds for a third bike, it would 
> probably be the one I'd choose. 
>
> On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 10:06:09 PM UTC-4, Andrew Turner wrote:
>
>> Hello Group.
>> Maybe I'll just start this conversation off with what I'm searching for 
>> and I'll add the backstory after. 
>>
>>- steel frame + fork (lugged preferably) that could clear 700x32 
>>tires 
>>- rim brake
>>- lightish tubing ( I weigh a scant 132lbs at 6'1") 
>>- DT shifter braze-ons 
>>- Trying to keep the price to no more than $1000 for frame + fork
>>- Frames of all ages welcome 
>>- Designed to hold weight in the front (but I can make do with a 
>>saddlebag)
>>
>> Bikes I've had in the past to try to fit these requirements: 
>>
>>- VO Campeur: way better suited for heavy touring. Way stouter than I 
>>need.
>>- Black Mtn Cycles monster cross: pretty nice but that frame really 
>>wanted tires in the 38mm+ range which is overkill for me. 
>>- Rivendell Roadini: damn fine frame and very comfortable. Tig welded 
>>though and I might've gotten too large of frame with the 61cm. On my list 
>>of possibilities though. The quality was also a disappointment for my 
>> first 
>>riv, chipped paint out of the box and very poorly installed headset. 
>>
>> I just got done with my first longer ride on a 58cm Gazelle Champion 
>> Mondial AA frame . I built it up because riding my first brevet on the VO 
>> Campeur a year ago made me realize how important a more nimble bike, 
>> especially for majority road use, is. But I might've gone too far. It's a 
>> rocket no doubt but I found it fatiguing having to stay so vigilant on 
>> descents. And putting the weight up front lead to a very close call down a 
>> particularly sketchy downhill. I think slacker geometry might help with 
>> that ;) 
>>
>> All this to say, if any of you rando kids have some suggestions I'm all 
>> ears! 
>>
>> Thanks Group, 
>> Andrew
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Bike frame suggestions for longish distance 95% road comfort

2020-06-28 Thread S

I agree with this advice. I would add: Rivendell Rambouillet and A Homer 
Hilsen. Somewhat rare, but they do turn up every once in a while on eBay 
and craigslist. They are not front load oriented, but you said a saddlebag 
might be OK, so I think they are worth considering. For what it's worth, I 
switched to using a saddlebag for lighter loads and I now prefer it. 
On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 9:07:24 PM UTC-7 Craig Montgomery wrote:

> Go vintage. Can't go wrong in frame design but finish is dicey. Paramount 
> P15 or one of the Japanese classics like a Miyata 1000 or Centurion 
> ProTour. English from 60's. 70's would thrill you. You'd love a Holdsworth 
> Mistral. Trek 520's, 620's, 720's. Of course, locating one of these gems 
> might be a bit problematic. 
>
> Craig in Tucson
>
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 7:06:09 PM UTC-7, Andrew Turner wrote:
>
>> Hello Group.
>> Maybe I'll just start this conversation off with what I'm searching for 
>> and I'll add the backstory after. 
>>
>>- steel frame + fork (lugged preferably) that could clear 700x32 
>>tires 
>>- rim brake
>>- lightish tubing ( I weigh a scant 132lbs at 6'1") 
>>- DT shifter braze-ons 
>>- Trying to keep the price to no more than $1000 for frame + fork
>>- Frames of all ages welcome 
>>- Designed to hold weight in the front (but I can make do with a 
>>saddlebag)
>>
>> Bikes I've had in the past to try to fit these requirements: 
>>
>>- VO Campeur: way better suited for heavy touring. Way stouter than I 
>>need.
>>- Black Mtn Cycles monster cross: pretty nice but that frame really 
>>wanted tires in the 38mm+ range which is overkill for me. 
>>- Rivendell Roadini: damn fine frame and very comfortable. Tig welded 
>>though and I might've gotten too large of frame with the 61cm. On my list 
>>of possibilities though. The quality was also a disappointment for my 
>> first 
>>riv, chipped paint out of the box and very poorly installed headset. 
>>
>> I just got done with my first longer ride on a 58cm Gazelle Champion 
>> Mondial AA frame . I built it up because riding my first brevet on the VO 
>> Campeur a year ago made me realize how important a more nimble bike, 
>> especially for majority road use, is. But I might've gone too far. It's a 
>> rocket no doubt but I found it fatiguing having to stay so vigilant on 
>> descents. And putting the weight up front lead to a very close call down a 
>> particularly sketchy downhill. I think slacker geometry might help with 
>> that ;) 
>>
>> All this to say, if any of you rando kids have some suggestions I'm all 
>> ears! 
>>
>> Thanks Group, 
>> Andrew
>>
>>

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[RBW] Riding on borrowed time? Or, thank you Kenda tubes, for your elasticity.

2020-06-28 Thread LeRoy

My 59 Clem H came to me second (or third) hand and I was pleased to receive
it with Schwalbe Big Apple 50mm tires. It seems to be accepted wisdom that
the Kenda tires originally fitted to Clems are not on many people's wish
list. After a couple thousand miles in my use, and who knows how many
before, the Big Apples were ready for retirement. So last night I fit up a
pair of Maxxis Torch 29x2.1" tires (a ride report will follow). To my
consternation, I found both wheels equipped with Kenda inner tubes in a
700x35-40 (also marked 27x1-3/8) size. These skinny little tubes looked
completely undernourished coming out of the 2-inch wide Schwalbe tires.
Fitting them into the even wilder Maxxis tires seemed seriously
inadvisable. Fortunately, I had on hand a pair of Panaracer tubes in the
29x1.75-2.35 size. Everything went together in ducky fashion.

With that preamble, here's my question(s): Was I simply a lucky fellow to
get a couple thousand completely trouble-free miles from significantly
undersized Kenda Tubes in the balloon-profile Schwalbe tires? Or do I owe a
debt of gratitude and my thanks to the apparently excellent elasticity of
the Kenda tubes? Or is it a bit of each? Seriously, is a size mismatch of
this order between tube and tire a serious issue? ...or is there more
tolerance than one might expect in "matching" tubes to tires?

Bob, whose tubes were being blown out of proportion, Sharp

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[RBW] Re: Bike frame suggestions for longish distance 95% road comfort

I thought some years RB-1s maxed out at about 28mm tires, though I could be 
wrong. I think the issue would be the bottom of the brake calipers. But 
maybe the '93 was one that took wider tires.

While I would agree with Paul that some of the touring frames mentioned 
would be a bit portly, a 70s/80s 531 frame in 60cm I think would be just 
fine with one of those mini handlebar bags from VO or a Banana Sack, if you 
want to be a rando kid.

On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 7:11:35 PM UTC-4, Andrew Turner wrote:
>
> Thank you all for the incredible information. I really do appreciate the 
> time spent on my hunt for a glass hammer! Iv'e got a couple candidates so 
> far, one being a local seller with a 93' (same age as me!) RB-1 frameset 
> and another with a Mercian I'd like to get additional info on. The longer 
> wheelbase of the Mercian is very tempting but I've also heard the RB-1 
> rides stable for it's geo so more to come. 
>
> Wishing everyone good health, 
> Andrew
>
> On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 3:19:47 PM UTC-5 Brady Smith wrote:
>
>> If you decide low trail is what you want, you might consider the Soma 
>> Grand Randonneur. Designed by the Boulder Bicycle people, but way, way 
>> cheaper than their All-Road. If I had funds for a third bike, it would 
>> probably be the one I'd choose. 
>>
>> On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 10:06:09 PM UTC-4, Andrew Turner wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Group.
>>> Maybe I'll just start this conversation off with what I'm searching for 
>>> and I'll add the backstory after. 
>>>
>>>- steel frame + fork (lugged preferably) that could clear 700x32 
>>>tires 
>>>- rim brake
>>>- lightish tubing ( I weigh a scant 132lbs at 6'1") 
>>>- DT shifter braze-ons 
>>>- Trying to keep the price to no more than $1000 for frame + fork
>>>- Frames of all ages welcome 
>>>- Designed to hold weight in the front (but I can make do with a 
>>>saddlebag)
>>>
>>> Bikes I've had in the past to try to fit these requirements: 
>>>
>>>- VO Campeur: way better suited for heavy touring. Way stouter than 
>>>I need.
>>>- Black Mtn Cycles monster cross: pretty nice but that frame really 
>>>wanted tires in the 38mm+ range which is overkill for me. 
>>>- Rivendell Roadini: damn fine frame and very comfortable. Tig 
>>>welded though and I might've gotten too large of frame with the 61cm. On 
>>> my 
>>>list of possibilities though. The quality was also a disappointment for 
>>> my 
>>>first riv, chipped paint out of the box and very poorly installed 
>>> headset. 
>>>
>>> I just got done with my first longer ride on a 58cm Gazelle Champion 
>>> Mondial AA frame . I built it up because riding my first brevet on the VO 
>>> Campeur a year ago made me realize how important a more nimble bike, 
>>> especially for majority road use, is. But I might've gone too far. It's a 
>>> rocket no doubt but I found it fatiguing having to stay so vigilant on 
>>> descents. And putting the weight up front lead to a very close call down a 
>>> particularly sketchy downhill. I think slacker geometry might help with 
>>> that ;) 
>>>
>>> All this to say, if any of you rando kids have some suggestions I'm all 
>>> ears! 
>>>
>>> Thanks Group, 
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Riding on borrowed time? Or, thank you Kenda tubes, for your elasticity.

2020-06-28 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch

Inflating a tube outside a tire, it doesn't take much pressure before it is 
larger than the tire and it is not close to failure. Not luck, and not 
Kenda tube specific, but tubes in general do that, even Kenda. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Bike frame suggestions for longish distance 95% road comfort

2020-06-28 Thread Brian Campbell

I have a 1974 Motobecane Grand Record frame 60cm. Full 531. Takes 38mm 
tires and will easily take 35 and fenders. Paint is a bit rough but if you 
have an interest let me know and I will send pictures.

On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 9:48:32 PM UTC-4, Mark Roland wrote:
>
> I thought some years RB-1s maxed out at about 28mm tires, though I could 
> be wrong. I think the issue would be the bottom of the brake calipers. But 
> maybe the '93 was one that took wider tires.
>
> While I would agree with Paul that some of the touring frames mentioned 
> would be a bit portly, a 70s/80s 531 frame in 60cm I think would be just 
> fine with one of those mini handlebar bags from VO or a Banana Sack, if you 
> want to be a rando kid.
>
> On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 7:11:35 PM UTC-4, Andrew Turner wrote:
>>
>> Thank you all for the incredible information. I really do appreciate the 
>> time spent on my hunt for a glass hammer! Iv'e got a couple candidates so 
>> far, one being a local seller with a 93' (same age as me!) RB-1 frameset 
>> and another with a Mercian I'd like to get additional info on. The longer 
>> wheelbase of the Mercian is very tempting but I've also heard the RB-1 
>> rides stable for it's geo so more to come. 
>>
>> Wishing everyone good health, 
>> Andrew
>>
>> On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 3:19:47 PM UTC-5 Brady Smith wrote:
>>
>>> If you decide low trail is what you want, you might consider the Soma 
>>> Grand Randonneur. Designed by the Boulder Bicycle people, but way, way 
>>> cheaper than their All-Road. If I had funds for a third bike, it would 
>>> probably be the one I'd choose. 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 10:06:09 PM UTC-4, Andrew Turner wrote:
>>>
 Hello Group.
 Maybe I'll just start this conversation off with what I'm searching for 
 and I'll add the backstory after. 

- steel frame + fork (lugged preferably) that could clear 700x32 
tires 
- rim brake
- lightish tubing ( I weigh a scant 132lbs at 6'1") 
- DT shifter braze-ons 
- Trying to keep the price to no more than $1000 for frame + fork
- Frames of all ages welcome 
- Designed to hold weight in the front (but I can make do with a 
saddlebag)

 Bikes I've had in the past to try to fit these requirements: 

- VO Campeur: way better suited for heavy touring. Way stouter than 
I need.
- Black Mtn Cycles monster cross: pretty nice but that frame really 
wanted tires in the 38mm+ range which is overkill for me. 
- Rivendell Roadini: damn fine frame and very comfortable. Tig 
welded though and I might've gotten too large of frame with the 61cm. 
 On my 
list of possibilities though. The quality was also a disappointment for 
 my 
first riv, chipped paint out of the box and very poorly installed 
 headset. 

 I just got done with my first longer ride on a 58cm Gazelle Champion 
 Mondial AA frame . I built it up because riding my first brevet on the VO 
 Campeur a year ago made me realize how important a more nimble bike, 
 especially for majority road use, is. But I might've gone too far. It's a 
 rocket no doubt but I found it fatiguing having to stay so vigilant on 
 descents. And putting the weight up front lead to a very close call down a 
 particularly sketchy downhill. I think slacker geometry might help with 
 that ;) 

 All this to say, if any of you rando kids have some suggestions I'm all 
 ears! 

 Thanks Group, 
 Andrew



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Re: [RBW] Re: 650b new Rivendell models (to me)

Joe, what hubs and rims are you using?

On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 2:53 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Here's a couple more photos.
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[RBW] Re: WTB/WTT: 60 Cheviot

2020-06-28 Thread Jingy

Just curious, what do you think the Cheviot will do that your Clem doesn't. 
Short commutes and tooling around the neighborhood sounds perfectly 
Clem-ish to me.
Jim

On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 6:23:24 PM UTC-5, Mike Packard wrote:
>
>
> Howdy,
>
> It's looking more and more like I need to try all the different bikes. :) 
> I'm sure others on the list can relate. My current riding is a lot of 
> shortish commute and tooling around the neighborhood. I always seem to 
> notice something new and interesting by just riding around. I now want to 
> experience the tubed syrup bike. 
>
> (From one of the Riv emails: "Grant, who also rides a 60cm, once described 
> the Cheviot ride like "maple syrup being squeezed out of a tube"." )
>
> So if anyone has a 60 Cheviot/ut collecting dust I'd be interested in 
> buying or trading for it. I have a 59 Clem L 59, 56 MIT Atlantis (650b), 
> and 57 Roadini I would consider letting go of.
>
> Somewhere near Texas (I live in Austin) or San Diego (traveling there 
> soon) would be ideal since it doesn't seem fun to ship up to 2 huge bikes.
>
> Here's the Clem out for a ride today, and someone's impressive tomato 
> installation.
>
> Thanks!
> Mike
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 650b new Rivendell models (to me)

2020-06-28 Thread Ash

This is one of the coolest bikes in existence!   I'm rooting for this exact 
geometry to become a production model.


On Sunday, 28 June 2020 11:49:34 UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> You mean this one?? Definitely long chainstays which was Grant's choice, 
> and I picked the drop-toptube because I like the clearance and the look. 
> The look gave me the heart seatlug and RBW decal up there in the air above 
> the toptube where everyone can see it..swanky! For reference I'm about 
> Joel's height and the measurements are (approximately) 54cm seattube and 
> 63cm effective toptube. On paper the front sounds crazy long for my height, 
> but in practice with the high-and-reaching-back bars I use it's perfect. 
> Incredibly stable frame which still turns nicely, it's a great bike. 
>
> On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 11:12:11 AM UTC-7 Doug Hansford wrote:
>
>> Joel,
>> Tap that 401k!! Have you seen Joe B.'s custom? It has a nice sloping top 
>> tube and I think maybe 650b? You SHOULD treat yourself to a retirement 
>> gift. All those years of saving in your retirement accounts was good 
>> discipline and now you should not feel guilty for investing in a nice bike. 
>> Riding has so many benefits both mental and physical that I think it would 
>> be money well spent. If Joe sees this maybe he can tell you about is custom 
>> and the process he went through the come up with the design.
>> Doug Hansford
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 1:53:23 PM UTC-4, Joel Stern wrote:
>>
>>> Ted, I have had 8 Rivendells before my accident 10 years ago, 4 were 
>>> still with me.  Sold 3 of my last 4 as I thought I would not ride again but 
>>> kept the Bleriot in the hope that I would as I bonded with the 650b.  Now 
>>> retired and riding again and I have not touched my 401 money.  Maybe I 
>>> deserve a treat.  
>>>
>> On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 1:24 PM ted  wrote:
>>>
>> Hey Joel,

 Prices have certainly gone up since the Bleriot days, I think a lot of 
 that is just years of inflation but still ...

 I encourage you to give the fine folks at RBW WH a call to discuss ride 
 and handling of current models wrt your Bleriot. 
 That said I would expect the AHH to be closer to your Bleriot but 
 perhaps a bit more stable, and the Joe A and Atlantis to be more stable. 

 regards
 ted

 On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 9:57:49 AM UTC-7, Joel Stern wrote:
>
> Ted, thanks.  I am beginning to understand the slopping TT and what 
> that means. From what I am reading I would be a 51 on the Homer and 
> Appaloosa and a 50 on the Atlantis.  My Bleriot was a bargain as these 
> new 
> MIT models are snout what I paid for my first Road, and my next custom 
> was 
> just a tad more.  The Longer chain stays would be welcome if the increase 
> comfort, my back would appreciate that.  I am also curious about he 
> stability of the front end, the Bleriot is good but just today I noticed 
> a 
> bit of a twitchy feel which could have been me.  I have new 42mm tires on 
> but I don’t think that would have caused it.  
>
> Thanks, Joel
>
> On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 12:46 PM ted  wrote:
>
>> Joel,
>>
>> The top tubes of most MIT Rivs (including the MIT AHH and Atlantis) 
>> have significantly more slope than the older models like your Bleriot.
>> Therefore the size for a given bar height with respect to seat height 
>> is smaller, and ones proper size based on pbh is smaller.
>> Stand over is increased by about half the difference in size (with 
>> respect to a more horizontal tt model).
>> Just changing the top tube slope should not cause perceptible 
>> differences in the ride qualities of an otherwise identical design.
>> The new MIT Atlantis and AHH also have longer chain stays (and I 
>> presume wheelbases) than the earlier Toyo and Waterford versions. I 
>> think 
>> there are other threads that speak to how these versions ride and 
>> handling 
>> compare, but a short answer would be longer wb and sitting further from 
>> the 
>> rear axle should give a smoother ride over bumps.
>>
>> On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 7:10:42 AM UTC-7, Joel Stern wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I was really confused at first at the A Homer Hilson, Appaloosa and 
>>> the new Atlantis. The sizing is very different than of old, like for my 
>>> Bleriot where I ride a 55cm bike, looks like on the Hilson and 
>>> Appaloosa I 
>>> would take a 51cm and on the new Atlantis a 50. So my question for 
>>> those 
>>> that follow this do any of these have a more relaxed geometry or a more 
>>> comfortable ride than my Bleriot which is already comfortable? What can 
>>> anyone tell me about the sizing changes? When Grant measured me years 
>>> ago I 
>>> believe he had my PBH to 83 or a bit more, while when I had help from 
>>> my 
>>> wife to

[RBW] Re: Single-speed country bike(?)

2020-06-28 Thread Nathan F

Still in the works, but there have been no updates, and no pictures... all 
we know is that the idea exists. As I understand it, the bike is on the 
back burner for a bit.

On Saturday, 27 June 2020 14:02:48 UTC-7, Tully Lanter wrote:
>
> I seem to recall a mention of a single-speed country bike in the works, 
> but can't for the life of me find the thread. It may have been a few months 
> ago.
>
> Anyhow, is that the case, or strictly fanciful? I'm generally out of touch 
> with RBW news these days...
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Kogswell Model R

2020-06-28 Thread Kelsey Ashcraft

I forgot to add that I am not opposed to selling just the frame either. If 
that is the case I'd sell it for 325.00. 

Thanks 
Kelsey

On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 10:54:09 AM UTC-5, Kelsey Ashcraft wrote:
>
> Ok i know its not a Rivendell but it is steel and it does have some lugs. 
> Im trying to sell my single speed Kogswell size 54.
> Build includes:
> H plus Son wheels
> Velo Orange fenders, stem, and handlebars
> Brooks all weather saddle
> Tektro brakes and Shimano levers
> Pedals and cage are needed for my sons bike and this bike will be packaged 
> by my friends at Decatur Bicycle Shoppe
> Please feel free to text or email me for more pictures.
>
> Thanks
> Kelsey
> kashcraf...@gmail.com
> 217-820-7852
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Clem Smith Jr (59) w/SON dyno setup

2020-06-28 Thread Ryan Olson

I can't seem to figure out how to PM you Nathan on the new Google groups 
(reply to author is greyed out), but I'm interested in your Clem H.

Thanks,

Ryan

On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 9:51:28 AM UTC-6 Nathan W wrote:

> FS: Clem H, size 59 (700c), in grilver. 
>
> This was purchased new in Spring 2018 and features the lovely curved seat 
> stays from Riv’s first batch.  I’ve added SKS fenders, a SONdelux x Synergy 
> front wheel paired to an Edelux lamp, and a few other things listed below. 
> Very low mileage (<250miles), one of many other lugged steel bikes in the 
> stable, always stored indoors during winter months.  There are signs of 
> wear in the usual spots consistent with use as a light duty, occasional 
> commuter.  No dents, though a handful of nicks and scratches from being 
> locked up against bike racks outdoors.  Braze-ons show signs of rack 
> installation, and there is some discoloration on some bolt heads.  Perfect 
> candidate for those who don’t mind a little beasuage, and will use the Clem 
> H to its full potential.  Equipped with racks and loaded down it is 
> wonderfully capable, yet sure footed and smooth riding.  Selling only as I 
> have a Cheviot in size 60 that fits just a touch better for my geometry. 
>
> Motivated to sell at $950 complete with the factory Riv build, or $1,150 
> with the dyno wheel SONdelux x Edelux setup  
>
>
>- Frame: 59cm grilver, curved-stay Clem H frame & fork *(clearance for 
>2.4” tire)
>- FSA Duron headset
>- Nitto Tallux stem, 12cm
>- Bosco handlebars (55 I think), cro-mo
>- Riv Silver 38/24 cranks, 178mm arms
>- Shimano Deore RD, Claris FD
>- Deore V-brakes
>- Sunrace BLM V-brake levers
>- Microshift Thumbies, inboard mounted, with Crane brass bell
>- 9speed 12-34 Sunrace cassette, KMC chain w/quick connect 
>- Alex DM24 Rims, 32H/36H spoke
>- Kickstand (non-Pletscher), not installed
>- Kalloy silver seatpost, 29.8mm
>- Brooks B17 saddle, honey
>- Grey Jagwire cable housing
>- Kenda 700x2.0 Kwick Nine
>- Fenders: SKS B65, silver
>- Newbaum brown wrap over foam bartape
>- Pedals not included
>- Optional: Velocity Synergy x SONdelux 32H handbuilt front wheel with 
>Edelux lamp
>
> Prefer local pickup; delivery possible in the greater Boston area.  Also 
> open to packing (original box available) + shipping at actual cost.  
>
> Please contact me for photos / viewings.  
>
> Cheers,
>
> Nathan
>
> Newton, MA
>

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[RBW] Roadini sizing question

2020-06-28 Thread Kelsey Ashcraft

I'm in the market to buy a Roadini but I am on the fence when it comes to 
sizing. My PBH is 33 inches which calculates to 83.82 cm. That puts me at 
the top of the range for a 51 and the bottom of a 54. Has anyone else found 
themselves to be in the same situation and what route did you take? 

Thanks 
Kelsey

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[RBW] FS: Kogswell Model R

2020-06-28 Thread Kelsey Ashcraft

I was starting at 550 but I’m easy to negotiate with.

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[RBW] FS: Kogswell Model R

2020-06-28 Thread jonsan

Actually it is a Kogswell model G, sometimes referred to as a "poor person's 
Quickbeam". I have one running Barlow Pass tires, no fenders. Cool ride.

John
Socal

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[RBW] Re: FS: 59 Clem L Chameleon Green

2020-06-28 Thread ryan carey


Update:  The bike sold.  Thanks!
On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 11:53:45 AM UTC-4, ryan carey wrote:
>
> Hi all:
>
> Hoping to sell my Clem L.  The front wheel was rebuilt with a Son hub (the 
> Edelux II light is included).  I swapped out the 12 cm Technomic for a 10 
> cm dirt drop (I can include an 11 cm Technomic if you'd like).  I don't 
> have the use of my right hand, so a dual pull brake lever controls both 
> brakes.  There are brand new Big Apples on right now, and I'll include some 
> Compass Antelope Hills.  I'll also throw in a set of VO fenders.  There are 
> some scratches on the chain stays and a few paints chips.  I'm asking 
> $1000.00.  It would be great to find a buyer in the DMV, but I'd be happy 
> to send it out of my LBS. 
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ryan
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Re: [RBW] Re: 650b new Rivendell models (to me)

White Industries hubs, Mi5 and some other name up front, Velocity Atlas rims. 
Rich Lesnik built of course! 

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[RBW] Re: Widest Slick Tires on Atlantis with Fenders

2020-06-28 Thread Elijah Bernstein-Cooper

Thanks all. I just ordered the latest model of Atlantis, size 55, fitting 
700c wheels. Those Simworks fenders sure are expensive! Good to know it all 
fits on the Atlantis. I suppose the Simworks smooth 62mm would not provide 
enough clearance correct?

On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 5:18:26 PM UTC-4 Steve Cole wrote:

> Following up on Jason's post, I haveRH Antelope Hill with Simworks 74 mm 
> fenders on my MIT Atlantis.  Clearance sufficient but close.  The fenders 
> had to be squished a tad at the fork to fit well.  Happy to answer any 
> questions.
>
> Steve Cole
> Arlington, VA
>
>
> On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 11:53:45 AM UTC-4, Elijah Bernstein-Cooper 
> wrote:
>>
>> I'd like as wide slick tires as possible with fenders on my Atlantis 55. 
>> Would it be possible to fit Rene Herse 55 Antelope Hill tires with SKS 
>> 60mm  or Velo Orange 63mm fenders? 
>>
>> Any other recommendations for wide tires? Or for fenders?
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Riding on borrowed time? Or, thank you Kenda tubes, for your elasticity.

2020-06-28 Thread Joseph Tousignant

Well,...maybe not close to failure,...but not optimum either,..as
the tube DOES get noticeably thinner when it's used much beyond the
stated tire size. A little over and usually no problem, but in
your case some luck was involved too I think it fair to say. :-)

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 wrote:
> Inflating a tube outside a tire, it doesn't take much pressure before it is
>
> larger than the tire and it is not close to failure. Not luck, and not
> Kenda tube specific, but tubes in general do that, even Kenda. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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Re: [RBW] Re: 650b new Rivendell models (to me)