Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis tires rec request

[Mike Williams]

Tim,  I have a friend who I believe has fit RTPs on his older Atlantis.   I’ll 
email later to confirm.   -Mike

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> On May 3, 2018, at 1:22 AM, Tim Butterfield  wrote:
> 
> I should probably add some clarifying thoughts.  I know both the Naches Pass 
> and McClure Pass EL will have a plush ride.  Are the Naches Pass EL likely to 
> be sufficiently more plus than the McClure Pass EL to prevent possible use of 
> a fender in future with the same tire?  I'm not planning to get fenders but, 
> if I change my mind, I would rather not have to get a whole new set of tires 
> to do it, not unless the interim ride is enough better to warrant it.  That's 
> why I was wondering about those two.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Tim
> 
>> On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 9:56 PM, Tim Butterfield  
>> wrote:
>> I have been spoiled by the Barlow Pass EL on my 700c Homer and want to have 
>> the same plush ride on my 26" Atlantis.  I doubt the Rat Trap Pass would fit 
>> at 2.3", but could probably fit the 1.8" Naches Pass and definitely the 1.5" 
>> McClure Pass.
>> 
>> Currently, I'm leaning towards the Naches Pass EL in black.  It doesn't 
>> currently have fenders and current usage doesn't require them.  I'd probably 
>> need to drop to the McClure to add fenders.  My current usage of the 
>> Atlantis is as a grab and go around town bike, which doesn't require rainy 
>> rides.
>> 
>> What would your recommendations be for this tire?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Tim
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[RBW] Re: How heavy a front load on lowriders on a Rivendell road bike?

[Nick Payne]

My wife and I used to tour on our tandem with just a pair of extremely large 
home made front panniers. We would tour for up to a month at a time with that 
setup. I certainly preferred the handling with that setup compared to having 
the load split front and rear. You do need a rack that can take the load, 
though. We broke a couple of Blackburn lowrider racks before buying a Bruce 
Gordon, which is still going strong over 30 years later.

Here's a photo taken on a three week tour of Tasmania.

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[RBW] Re: How heavy a front load on lowriders on a Rivendell road bike?

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[RBW] Re: Your favorite Rivendell?

[ascpgh]

My one and only Orange Rambouillet, freshly back from a seat stay bridge 
repair. 

Velocity rims, Stampede Pass ELs, hammered Honjos under Paul Racers. Still 
staying comfortably lovely for all day riding.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Wednesday, May 2, 2018 at 6:30:55 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I've owned 5: 3 custom Roads, 56 (55?) single tt, canti Sam, and blue Ram, 
> later model with room for 32s and fenders and space in between.
>
> I put more miles on the 2003 Curt, just about identical to the '99 Joe 
> gofast in frame geometry, drivetain/saddle/bar components and setup; it 
> just adds all the accoutrements -- fenders, racks f/r, dynolights, bell fer 
> gosh's sakes -- that you'd reasonably want for an "errand" bike, But, (just 
> rode it) I have to say that the stripper gofast is just *more fun* to 
> ride, measured by response in drivetrain to effort in legs. I don't know 
> why this is so, since the '03 has largely the same drivetrain, and wheels 
> -- same tires, Elk Pass -- as the '99. There is probably a 7 lb weight 
> differenceboth bikes unladen ('99 is 18.1 now that it adds second bottle 
> cage and Dingle on flip side); and the '03 is very often laden; but -- I 
> dunno. 
>
> I realize that all of this is very relative to your own type of riding; 
> but for me, if someone held a gun to my head and said: "One bike; choose 
> now!", I'd have to choose the '99 Joe.
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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for aerobic base training heart rate monitors?

[Tom Wyland]

My first thought:  "What is aerobic base training and should I be doing it?"

On Wednesday, May 2, 2018 at 11:59:22 PM UTC-4, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> What do Rivendell Riders use for aerobic base training  heart rate 
> monitors?

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis tires rec request

[tc]

Tim,
I have 2.1 Nano's on mine, and they are surprisingly fine on pavement and 
of course have a bit of off-road tread, too.  Great on paths or gravel.  
The center of these tires is raised to increase road performance...and not 
too noisy.

Having said that, I will def be trying a pair of the 55 Antelope Hill 
Compass tires when they become available, supposedly late this Spring or 
Summer.

Instagram link here:  
https://www.instagram.com/p/BhVo5GrBsNj/?taken-by=compasscycle

Tom

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis tires rec request

[tc]

Oh wait ... you said 26" -- sorry.

Tom

On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 8:57:52 AM UTC-4, tc wrote:
>
> Tim,
> I have 2.1 Nano's on mine, and they are surprisingly fine on pavement and 
> of course have a bit of off-road tread, too.  Great on paths or gravel.  
> The center of these tires is raised to increase road performance...and not 
> too noisy.
>
> Having said that, I will def be trying a pair of the 55 Antelope Hill 
> Compass tires when they become available, supposedly late this Spring or 
> Summer.
>
> Instagram link here:  
> https://www.instagram.com/p/BhVo5GrBsNj/?taken-by=compasscycle
>
> Tom
>

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[RBW] Shipping handlebars

[tc]

I'm going to be putting up for sale some road and upright handlebars soon.  
To those of you who have shipped single handlebars, have you simply wrapped 
them in bubble wrap and cut down a box to make a new box to fit the bar?

Also, what shipping service do you like?

Thanks,
Tom

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Re: [RBW] Re: Your favorite Rivendell?

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Don; that's useful information.

On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 10:41 PM, Don Compton  wrote:

> Patrick,
> The Roadeo is just slightly more responsive, and has room for bigger
> tires. I had a 60cm Ram and have a 59cm Roadeo. The fit is very similar.
> Just personal, my Roadeo is a very slight favorite.
>
> On Wednesday, May 2, 2018 at 8:21:24 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Don: Can you say if, and how, the Roadeo handles differently from the
>> Ram? I've owned a Ram and am interested in a Roadeo.
>>
>> Thanks, Patrick
>>
>> On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 6:11 PM, Don Compton  wrote:
>>
>>> I have owned four ( two Roadeos). For me it's a toss up between my old
>>> Ram and my current Roadeo. Both are wonderful bikes and are great for
>>> longish rides. Impeccable handling.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 2, 2018 at 3:30:55 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 I've owned 5: 3 custom Roads, 56 (55?) single tt, canti Sam, and blue
 Ram, later model with room for 32s and fenders and space in between.

 I put more miles on the 2003 Curt, just about identical to the '99 Joe
 gofast in frame geometry, drivetain/saddle/bar components and setup; it
 just adds all the accoutrements -- fenders, racks f/r, dynolights, bell fer
 gosh's sakes -- that you'd reasonably want for an "errand" bike, But, (just
 rode it) I have to say that the stripper gofast is just *more fun* to
 ride, measured by response in drivetrain to effort in legs. I don't know
 why this is so, since the '03 has largely the same drivetrain, and wheels
 -- same tires, Elk Pass -- as the '99. There is probably a 7 lb weight
 differenceboth bikes unladen ('99 is 18.1 now that it adds second bottle
 cage and Dingle on flip side); and the '03 is very often laden; but -- I
 dunno.

 I realize that all of this is very relative to your own type of riding;
 but for me, if someone held a gun to my head and said: "One bike; choose
 now!", I'd have to choose the '99 Joe.

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Re: [RBW] Shipping handlebars

[Tim Gavin]

Yes, and bikeflights

On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 8:02 AM, tc  wrote:

> I'm going to be putting up for sale some road and upright handlebars
> soon.  To those of you who have shipped single handlebars, have you simply
> wrapped them in bubble wrap and cut down a box to make a new box to fit the
> bar?
>
> Also, what shipping service do you like?
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
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[RBW] Re: Atlantis tires rec request

[Drw]

I’m pretty sure you could fit rtp in there

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[RBW] FS/FT: Acorn bag, Filson coat, Duluth bag, Shimano brakes

[Drw]

Duluth banana bag is sold

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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis tires rec request

[Tim Gavin]

Measure, and find out!

On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 9:04 AM, Drw  wrote:

> I’m pretty sure you could fit rtp in there
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Re: [RBW] Re: Your favorite Rivendell?

[Christopher Murray]

I’ve owned six: Ram, Bleriot, Appa, Quickbeam, Rodeo, Roadini. The Roadini just 
arrived this week and isn’t built yet. Of the remaining five the Bleriot has 
been my favorite. I’m most excited about the Roadini though. It’s beautiful and 
simple. I picked it up from James and Candice at Analog during the sale- frame, 
fork, headset, seatpost, and bb for $745. Will it ride like a Ram and Rodeo? 
I’m excited to find out. 

So the Roadini is my favorite at the moment not for the ride (bc I haven’t 
ridden it) but for what it could be. 

Chris

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[RBW] Re: Your favorite Rivendell?

[Wally Estrella]

Past owner of a 62 Sam.  Current @ 64 Atlantis and 64QB.  The 'Beam wins it 
for me.

On Wednesday, May 2, 2018 at 6:30:55 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I've owned 5: 3 custom Roads, 56 (55?) single tt, canti Sam, and blue Ram, 
> later model with room for 32s and fenders and space in between.
>
> I put more miles on the 2003 Curt, just about identical to the '99 Joe 
> gofast in frame geometry, drivetain/saddle/bar components and setup; it 
> just adds all the accoutrements -- fenders, racks f/r, dynolights, bell fer 
> gosh's sakes -- that you'd reasonably want for an "errand" bike, But, (just 
> rode it) I have to say that the stripper gofast is just *more fun* to 
> ride, measured by response in drivetrain to effort in legs. I don't know 
> why this is so, since the '03 has largely the same drivetrain, and wheels 
> -- same tires, Elk Pass -- as the '99. There is probably a 7 lb weight 
> differenceboth bikes unladen ('99 is 18.1 now that it adds second bottle 
> cage and Dingle on flip side); and the '03 is very often laden; but -- I 
> dunno. 
>
> I realize that all of this is very relative to your own type of riding; 
> but for me, if someone held a gun to my head and said: "One bike; choose 
> now!", I'd have to choose the '99 Joe.
>
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[RBW] Re: Your favorite Rivendell?

[lconley]

I have had a total of 10, still own 9: 2 @ 56 cm DTT Sams - sold the 1st 
one - identical frames except the color; 52 cm Bombadil; Rosco Bubbe V1; 
Protovelo/Protopaloosa/Mystery bike; 57 cm Frank Jones, Sr; 52 cm 
Clementine; small Hubbuhubbuh; Medium Mountain Mixte - never ridden still 
building; 60 cm (59 cm?) Betty Foy. 
Doesn't include the 47 cm 650b Roadini I ordered last night - building for 
a friend.

The Bombadil has the most miles on it and the Frank Jones is the most 
recent build (completed) and most recently ridden.

I'd probably have to go with the Frank Jones, there is just something about 
the simplicity and elegance of a 1 speed. It is also the one with the most 
traditional diamond frame, hmmm.

Laing
Cocoa FL


>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Your favorite Rivendell?

[Patrick Moore]

Christopher: I'm interested to hear your opinion of any differences in
handling and "feel" between the Ram and the Roadeo, as I've owned a Ram and
am interested in a Roadeo. I thought the Ram felt a wee bit too sedate for
my taste.

And: Curious why you bought a Roadini when you have the Ram and Roadeo:
what do you hope to get from this that you don't get from the others?

Aside: it is interesting that the model most selected in this thread has
been the Quickbeam. If I didn't have 2 Riv fixies already, I'd order one.
In other threads, the Atlantis and Sam Hill have been called out.

Roadeo versus Legolas: what's the difference in ride and feel?

I have to say that the Leglolas is the most beautiful model, apart perhaps
from that curved, 2X tt Atlantis (which I like to look at but wouldn't want
to own). (They got that curved, second tt just right; the bit of asymmetry
is perfect.

On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 8:20 AM, Christopher Murray  wrote:

> I’ve owned six: Ram, Bleriot, Appa, Quickbeam, Rodeo, Roadini. The Roadini
> just arrived this week and isn’t built yet. Of the remaining five the
> Bleriot has been my favorite. I’m most excited about the Roadini though.
> It’s beautiful and simple. I picked it up from James and Candice at Analog
> during the sale- frame, fork, headset, seatpost, and bb for $745. Will it
> ride like a Ram and Rodeo? I’m excited to find out.
>
> So the Roadini is my favorite at the moment not for the ride (bc I haven’t
> ridden it) but for what it could be.
>
> Chris
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Re: [RBW] Re: Your favorite Rivendell?

[RichS]

Patrick, I’ll chime in on your question to Don about the Roadeo. Last year I 
bought a 53cm frame from a list member and finally got it on the road a month 
or so ago. Not a lot of miles on it yet but the biggest adjustment was the 700c 
wheels. My other Rivs are a 53 Atlantis (26” wheels) and a 51 Sam (650b).

It’s been years since I rode a 700c road bike so initially the Roadeo had this 
“big” or tall feeling. I’m so accustomed to the smaller wheeled bikes!

That said, I’m adapting and the transition among wheel sizes is familiar and 
easier now. The Roadeo is a fun ride and much smoother and stable than my 
previous 700 wheeled bikes. Tires are 35mm Paselas which eliminates the use of 
fenders. I’ve carried my yoga mat in a saddle bag along with a few other items 
and there is no negative effect on the handling.

Love all my Rivs and feel lucky to have three to choose from. Hope you can one 
day lasso a Roadeo!

Best,
Richard

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[RBW] Re: Made in Taiwan AHH?

[Grant @ Rivendell]

The catalog go into who gonna make what bikes where for how much and how 
good they are. What it doesn't say (on p.4, the page that addresses this) 
got left out not to sneak, but for two other reasons--easy to read bad 
stuff into it, and there wasn't enough space to nuance it so you wouldn't. 
It is that for Homers and Atlantises we have a longer leash/fewer design 
restrictions in Taiwan than we do now in America. As the designs e- or 
de-volve (as we're all free to see it!), we here at RBW find ourselves 
drifting over to the sources that can happily and expertly pull off all the 
dimensions and details, and then deliver frames we can sell for $1,100 or 
so less. 
It's counter-everything you've been reared to believe, that quality and 
value can go up as price goes down, but there you go.

Top tube slopes are always going to be a concern, but as somebody pointed 
out, rather than paint horizontal as THE "classic" or so style, it's better 
to say it was the common style for 32 years beginning 1950. I don't know 
how precise those dates are, but they make the point that historically, top 
tube slopes have been all over the map (protractor?). We're not shooting 
for "the 1890s look" or anything like that. It's more like we're not making 
bikes to conform to an era that was characterized by explosive growth and 
maturation of cycling in America, which copied for good and for bad the 
racing styles of the day. 

Rivendells end up being a mix of tradition and irreverence, which means we 
disappoint those who want us to keep the flame juiced and be the 
Poghliaghis of Walnut Creek; and we're too backwards for the Scatante 
carbon-disc crowd. I don't see our bikes as a compromised combo. They hit a 
good spot, but it has to be a spot that feels good to be hit, and it's not 
one of those for everybody---which isn't to say I don't wish it was or 
don't think it ought to be, just that it can't be. We're lucky to be here, 
recently saved and thankful, and on we go, comrades!



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>
> Looking through the new brochure it looks like the AHH is going to be also 
> be made in Taiwan. I love the idea and it looks in between sizes with Sam 
> and the AHH will be the 650B Sam and the Atlantis the 650B Joe Appaloosa. 

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[RBW] Your favorite Rivendell?

[Surlyprof]

My canti-Hillborne is the best fitting, best riding most comfortable bike I’ve 
ever owned.  The 700c Velocity wheels with Barlow Pass ELs are so wonderful on 
the road.  A sturdier wheelset with Smart Sams radically changes the bike’s 
personality.

All that said... I’ve ridden the 650b Clem and Hunq test models and, at 5’10”, 
I think a 650b is ideal.  The 650b 1x10 Hunq at HQ would be my favorite.  The 
new MIT Atlantis also had me tempted but the 56 sold out before I could get to 
HQ for the test ride.  Looking forward to hearing more about the rumored fatter 
tires potentially on the horizon.

...still won’t give up my Sam.  It brings a big smile to my face with every 
ride.

John

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[RBW] Atlantis tires rec request

[RichS]

Tim,

My 26 wheeled Atlantis runs first generation 1.75” Compass tires. Same tread 
pattern as the McClure Pass tire. I’m very happy with them. Pressure is 35 
front and 40 rear.

Best,
Richard

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[RBW] Atlantis tires rec request

[RichS]

Tim,

One other detail: My current rims are Sun Rhyno Lites. Switched from Synergys 
and the wider rim enhanced the ride. 

Best,
Richard

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[RBW] WTB: 64cm Clem L frame or bike

[David Hamilton]

Oh, I missed the boat when these were available, so I'm wondering / hoping 
someone has ordered  the Clem L in the 64cm size and is looking to sell. 
Frame only preferred but if you've got the whole bike, I'll look at that 
too. Cheers, Dave

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[RBW] Do Ergon grips fit on a Nitto 23.5 bar?

[BCDrums]

I have a Nitto mustache bar and I'd like to try the Ergon grips. I have 
them on a mountain bike with a 22.2 bar. Will they fit the larger Nitto 
bar? Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis tires rec request

[DarinM]

Rat Trap's are more like 49-51mm IME. That is on 17mm internal width rims, 
but I doubt they get up to 58mm/2.3" even on wide rims. I've read that 
Naches' measure closer to 40-42mm so fenders are probably still doable.

Darin

On Wednesday, May 2, 2018 at 9:56:30 PM UTC-7, Tim Butterfield wrote:
>
> I have been spoiled by the Barlow Pass EL on my 700c Homer and want to 
> have the same plush ride on my 26" Atlantis.  I doubt the Rat Trap Pass 
> would fit at 2.3", but could probably fit the 1.8" Naches Pass and 
> definitely the 1.5" McClure Pass.
>
> Currently, I'm leaning towards the Naches Pass EL in black.  It doesn't 
> currently have fenders and current usage doesn't require them.  I'd 
> probably need to drop to the McClure to add fenders.  My current usage of 
> the Atlantis is as a grab and go around town bike, which doesn't require 
> rainy rides.
>
> What would your recommendations be for this tire?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Tim
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[RBW] Re: Anyone in the DMV have a 51 or 55 Hillborne I could test ride?

[Surlyprof]

Alan,

I have the 56 canti from around that time with the 57.5 tt.  To provide some 
comparison, my pbh is 86 and saddle height is 75ish.  I have aprox. 50% more 
seatpost exposed.  Initially, I thought the standover was a little tight but 
came to realize that the bike fits me better than any nike could.  I thought it 
looked like you might be on the low end of the fit range for that bike.  If 
it’s a reach issue, it looks like you might be able to scooch the seat forward 
a cm or two.  I use an 8cm stem with Albastache bars and an 11cm with 
Albatross.  Seatpost is centered on the rails.

Hope that helps.
John

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis tires rec request

['Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I have a 98' or 99' Toyo Atlantis and the Rat Traps fit fine. No rubbing. I 
also run 2.35 Kenda straight eights without issue. I run  fenders too. Rat 
Traps rock. 

Clayton
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> #DirtDanceDesigns

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[RBW] Do Ergon grips fit on a Nitto 23.5 bar?

[Joe Bernard]

Nope. The inner sleeve is hard plastic and I frequently have to shove the last 
part onto 22.2 bars, they're not going to fit road diameter without some 
serious milling. 

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[RBW] OT but mentioned on the Blahg: Hiking

[Joe Bernard]

I was going to email Grant directly, but figured he could always chime in here 
if he wants. What's the scoop with hiking? I want to start doing a bit of it, 
and I imagine there's a modern variety with all kinds of ridiculous gear and 
"training" that this JoeRivBob would rather avoid. What do regular folks who 
just want to go for a nice walk in the hills need to know?

Joe Bernard
Novato CA. 

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[RBW] Re: Your favorite Rivendell?

[Joe Bernard]

Laing, are you the one with the black Bombadil? I saw that bike a few years ago 
and it's spectacular. 

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[RBW] OT but mentioned on the Blahg: Hiking

[Bill Lindsay]

Alternate between left foot and right. Stay on the trail unless you don’t want 
to. 

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Re: [RBW] OT but mentioned on the Blahg: Hiking

[Eric Floden]

Hiking:

I use a hiking pole as l find it takes some load from lower to upper body;

Over ankle shoes or boots with Vibram-like soles;

Carry spare dry socks;

The books of Tristam Gooley are most useful for wayfinding and awareness

EricF
Gatineau Hills



On Thu, May 3, 2018, 11:27 Joe Bernard  wrote:

> I was going to email Grant directly, but figured he could always chime in
> here if he wants. What's the scoop with hiking? I want to start doing a bit
> of it, and I imagine there's a modern variety with all kinds of ridiculous
> gear and "training" that this JoeRivBob would rather avoid. What do regular
> folks who just want to go for a nice walk in the hills need to know?
>
> Joe Bernard
> Novato CA.
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Re: [RBW] OT but mentioned on the Blahg: Hiking

[Toshi Takeuchi]

Yes, shoes with ankle support so you don't roll your ankle and sprain it.
Yes to poles if you want to take the strain off your knees--especially
downhill.  Otherwise follow Bill's advice ;).

Toshi


On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 8:34 AM, Eric Floden  wrote:

> Hiking:
>
> I use a hiking pole as l find it takes some load from lower to upper body;
>
> Over ankle shoes or boots with Vibram-like soles;
>
> Carry spare dry socks;
>
> The books of Tristam Gooley are most useful for wayfinding and awareness
>
> EricF
> Gatineau Hills
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 3, 2018, 11:27 Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> I was going to email Grant directly, but figured he could always chime in
>> here if he wants. What's the scoop with hiking? I want to start doing a bit
>> of it, and I imagine there's a modern variety with all kinds of ridiculous
>> gear and "training" that this JoeRivBob would rather avoid. What do regular
>> folks who just want to go for a nice walk in the hills need to know?
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>> Novato CA.
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Re: [RBW] OT but mentioned on the Blahg: Hiking

[Joe Bernard]

The pole thing is interesting, I never would have thought of that.

As for William Bill Bubba's advice, I don't know, man..sounds like indexing.  

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[RBW] Re: OT but mentioned on the Blahg: Hiking

[Mike Packard]

In my experience barefoot/minimalist type shoes with little-to-no heel 
rigidity result in fewer injuries. I've tweaked my ankle pretty badly with 
regular shoes (with the molded plastic base that supposedly provide 
"support"). If my foot slips unexpectedly, the heal can get caught and act 
as a wedge, exerting way more force on my ankle than a minimal shoe. 
Distant 2nd choice would be the alpine style hiking boots with 
over-the-ankle cover, but unless it's very tight (like hockey skates), 
there is always be enough play to really tweak my ankles if I slip.

Souce: someone who has done a fair amount of ankle rolling

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Re: [RBW] Re: Your favorite Rivendell?

[Conway Bennett]

I like this, it's in the spirit of what's in your garage.  I've had a Sam H. 
(my first Riv but always wished it had canti posts) & a 60 cm orange QB 
(misrepresented as a 58 cm from the seller).  I now have a 56 650b Hunq, 58 cm 
green QB & a '94 XO-3.  My wife has a Rosco Bubbaloosa.  I like them all.  Each 
is built different enough but I have been riding the XO-3 this week.  It's 
built up a la Crust Bikes with a dirt drop stem, 46 cm noodles & schwalbe 
Kojaks.  It's real "springy" and different from my other bikes.  I recently 
setup the QB with dirt drops, rode it in my parking garage to tune it, and will 
be switching back to the albatross cockpit I had on it.  I think I'm dialed in 
for a long time since I have a 26", 650b & 700c bikes.  Lots of QB love on this 
thread and I support that, but every time I start riding a different bike it's 
refreshing and so I ride it for awhile and repeat the process.


Fair winds,

Captain Conway
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Re: [RBW] OT but mentioned on the Blahg: Hiking

[Clayton.sf]

personally I prefer sandals or running shoes and don't use poles. But, hiking 
is like hiking in that regard - many opinions and few absolutes.

Clayton Scott
ST, CA

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Re: [RBW] OT but mentioned on the Blahg: Hiking

[Joe Bernard]

Clayton: Yeah, I'm already seeing that there's a whole buncha ways to go at 
this. I have the running shoes so I'll go to China Camp with those and see how 
I like it. It'll be fun to glare at the mountain bikers like the hikers did me 
when I was there yesterday on my bike ;-)

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Re: [RBW] OT but mentioned on the Blahg: Hiking

[Steven Sweedler]

If it’s warm out I recommend Chaco sandals. Very popular with thru hikers
and weekenders.Steve

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> Clayton: Yeah, I'm already seeing that there's a whole buncha ways to go
> at this. I have the running shoes so I'll go to China Camp with those and
> see how I like it. It'll be fun to glare at the mountain bikers like the
> hikers did me when I was there yesterday on my bike ;-)
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Re: [RBW] OT but mentioned on the Blahg: Hiking

[Christopher Murray]

Have a plan (and tell someone), bring enough water and food, start with 
shorter/easier hikes, check the weather, and have fun. I’ve sold hiking/ 
climbing gear for 10 years and it is amazing how complicated you can make 
something that can be as uncomplicated as walking in the woods. If you enjoy it 
you will learn about it organically. 

I would recommend having a comfortable dedicated backpack and putting a first 
aid kit and some emergency food (I use high quality single serve dog food 
samples— then I DEFINITELY won’t eat it unless it’s an actual emergency). 


Chris

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[RBW] Re: Your favorite Rivendell?

[lconley]

No. My Bombadil is green with diagatube and tentacles. I am currently 
changing from Bullmoose bars to Randonneur bars. This is the before picture 
(at the office) not a good picture, but all I have..

Laing


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> Laing, are you the one with the black Bombadil? I saw that bike a few 
> years ago and it's spectacular. 

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[RBW] Re: Your favorite Rivendell?

[Joe Bernard]

That one's cool, too! (I love Bombadils)

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[RBW] Re: Your favorite Rivendell?

[phil k]

I've owned a Sam Hillborne, Cheviot, Hunqapillar, Soma San Marcos.

I ditched the Riv bikes for a bit with a low trail custom, which I love. 
But I also got a canti Sam for dirt riding.

Overall, I think the Cheviot was my favorite bike, though I wish it had 
cantis instead of sidepulls.

On Wednesday, May 2, 2018 at 6:30:55 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I've owned 5: 3 custom Roads, 56 (55?) single tt, canti Sam, and blue Ram, 
> later model with room for 32s and fenders and space in between.
>
> I put more miles on the 2003 Curt, just about identical to the '99 Joe 
> gofast in frame geometry, drivetain/saddle/bar components and setup; it 
> just adds all the accoutrements -- fenders, racks f/r, dynolights, bell fer 
> gosh's sakes -- that you'd reasonably want for an "errand" bike, But, (just 
> rode it) I have to say that the stripper gofast is just *more fun* to 
> ride, measured by response in drivetrain to effort in legs. I don't know 
> why this is so, since the '03 has largely the same drivetrain, and wheels 
> -- same tires, Elk Pass -- as the '99. There is probably a 7 lb weight 
> differenceboth bikes unladen ('99 is 18.1 now that it adds second bottle 
> cage and Dingle on flip side); and the '03 is very often laden; but -- I 
> dunno. 
>
> I realize that all of this is very relative to your own type of riding; 
> but for me, if someone held a gun to my head and said: "One bike; choose 
> now!", I'd have to choose the '99 Joe.
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[RBW] Re: OT but mentioned on the Blahg: Hiking

[phil k]

I do most of my hiking / backpacking along the Appalachian Mtns, with a bit 
of hiking / backpacking in Colorado/Wyoming, not sure where you are but 
some general suggestions:

-Know your hiking trail - mileage terrain, route etc. Depending on terrain, 
hiking 2 miles is not equivalent to walking 2 miles on the sidewalk in your 
neighborhood. Print out a map of the trail just in case. If you're gonna be 
on a trail that is less kept up, then a compass would be good too.

-Check the forecast - even if the precipitation chance is low bring a 
packable light rain jacket.

-Bring snacks, bring water. Don't drink coffee / energy drinks before you 
hike, you will dehydrate. Bring snacks that can also hydrate you and give 
you a  natural energy boost- fruits like oranges, apples.

-Chacos are nice for summer/water crossings. I have merril hiking boots for 
more rocky terrain. Either way ankle support is important. Boots are pretty 
necessary where I hike which is usually mountain ranges.

-If you're in bear country, bring bear mace, getting a bell is nice if 
you're really out in the bush.

-First aid kit if you want to be safe

-I prefer packable walking sticks that break down and easy to stow away 
when you don't need it. They are super helpful on long climbs of dirt 
trails, but can be cumbersome on rock scrambles and sections that require 
bouldering.

-I like to bring a packable hammock and a book. Usually will hike to the 
summit, set up hammock, read, eat lunch, rest, then pack up and descend. I 
like breaking up my route in 2 parts, it's mentally and physically easier 
for me to tackle longer 10-15 mile hikes this way.

On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 11:27:44 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I was going to email Grant directly, but figured he could always chime in 
> here if he wants. What's the scoop with hiking? I want to start doing a bit 
> of it, and I imagine there's a modern variety with all kinds of ridiculous 
> gear and "training" that this JoeRivBob would rather avoid. What do regular 
> folks who just want to go for a nice walk in the hills need to know?
>
> Joe Bernard
> Novato CA. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Your favorite Rivendell?

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks for the Roadeo input. Odd that you should find it tall; I don't
recall my Sam Hill or Ram feeling taller than the 26" custom Roads; they
did feel less nimble, and this I think was due to the greater moment of
inertial with the taller, and heavier wheels. If I get a Roadeo, it will,
for sure, have the lightest wheels and tires I can afford.

Odd, though; the Matthews has wheels that are 29 1/2" tall compared to the
24 3/4" of the Rivs; but I don't feel "tippy" or particularly tall;
Chauncey built it with a great deal of bb drop, I guess. I do recall that
my earlier '96 Bontrager Race Lite did feel very tall and tippy, and that
with 559X55 wheels.


On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 8:49 AM, RichS  wrote:

> Patrick, I’ll chime in on your question to Don about the Roadeo. Last year
> I bought a 53cm frame from a list member and finally got it on the road a
> month or so ago. Not a lot of miles on it yet but the biggest adjustment
> was the 700c wheels. My other Rivs are a 53 Atlantis (26” wheels) and a 51
> Sam (650b).
>
> It’s been years since I rode a 700c road bike so initially the Roadeo had
> this “big” or tall feeling. I’m so accustomed to the smaller wheeled bikes!
>
> That said, I’m adapting and the transition among wheel sizes is familiar
> and easier now. The Roadeo is a fun ride and much smoother and stable than
> my previous 700 wheeled bikes. Tires are 35mm Paselas which eliminates the
> use of fenders. I’ve carried my yoga mat in a saddle bag along with a few
> other items and there is no negative effect on the handling.
>
> Love all my Rivs and feel lucky to have three to choose from. Hope you can
> one day lasso a Roadeo!
>
> Best,
> Richard
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[RBW] Re: Atlantis tires rec request

[Tim Butterfield]

Awesome info.  Thanks everyone.

The current set is Schwalbe Marathon 1.75" on Atlas wheels and there seems
to be plenty of space.

The RTP sound great, especially if I can still add fenders later if
needed.  I'll go ahead and order a set.

Thanks again.

Tim

On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 9:56 PM, Tim Butterfield 
wrote:

> I have been spoiled by the Barlow Pass EL on my 700c Homer and want to
> have the same plush ride on my 26" Atlantis.  I doubt the Rat Trap Pass
> would fit at 2.3", but could probably fit the 1.8" Naches Pass and
> definitely the 1.5" McClure Pass.
>
> Currently, I'm leaning towards the Naches Pass EL in black.  It doesn't
> currently have fenders and current usage doesn't require them.  I'd
> probably need to drop to the McClure to add fenders.  My current usage of
> the Atlantis is as a grab and go around town bike, which doesn't require
> rainy rides.
>
> What would your recommendations be for this tire?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Tim
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis tires rec request

[Mike Williams]

Yes Tim,   RTPs will fit on an Atlantis.Get em on there!!

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 3, 2018, at 1:44 PM, Tim Butterfield  wrote:
> 
> Awesome info.  Thanks everyone.
> 
> The current set is Schwalbe Marathon 1.75" on Atlas wheels and there seems to 
> be plenty of space.
> 
> The RTP sound great, especially if I can still add fenders later if needed.  
> I'll go ahead and order a set.
> 
> Thanks again.
> 
> Tim
> 
>> On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 9:56 PM, Tim Butterfield  
>> wrote:
>> I have been spoiled by the Barlow Pass EL on my 700c Homer and want to have 
>> the same plush ride on my 26" Atlantis.  I doubt the Rat Trap Pass would fit 
>> at 2.3", but could probably fit the 1.8" Naches Pass and definitely the 1.5" 
>> McClure Pass.
>> 
>> Currently, I'm leaning towards the Naches Pass EL in black.  It doesn't 
>> currently have fenders and current usage doesn't require them.  I'd probably 
>> need to drop to the McClure to add fenders.  My current usage of the 
>> Atlantis is as a grab and go around town bike, which doesn't require rainy 
>> rides.
>> 
>> What would your recommendations be for this tire?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Tim
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Re: [RBW] OT but mentioned on the Blahg: Hiking

[Patrick Moore]

I didn't see hiking mentioned there; that's fine, though.

You can't walk, you know, unless to subscribe to *WALKING!* and spend at
least $3,675.00 on kit.

I ought to do more hiking, especially since I live 100 yards from some
pretty bosque trails. If I ever stop cycling, it will be hiking, or walking
-- what's the difference? -- that I'd turn to.

Good shoes and socks; I use thick wool ones from Costco, and bought my
walking shoes at a REI parking lot sale.

Warm weather gear:

Good hat for sun. I found a nice-ish straw panama hat which works well;
ventilated; tho' a hole is growing in the crown.

Shades. The light here makes the light on the Santa Monica beach look like
the winter sky in Finland.

Clothes that breathe. I don't wear anything else, so it's my usual khaki
cutoffs, cotton or better rayon shirt.

Sunscreen for your fair-skinned folks. I never use it.

Walking stick, just to have something to swing. Mine was made in Mombasa
50+ years ago; I bought it from a street vendor for my father, and
inherited it back. Some sort of reddish hardwood that maker had transformed
into ebony with black shoe polish; knob in shape of a Bantu head with,
coiling up from the bottom, a snake encircling the stick.

Water if you are going to be out for a couple of hours, but I don't need it
for an hour.

But Joe, you know all this, right?

Patrick "lists for lists' sake" Moore

On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 9:27 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> I was going to email Grant directly, but figured he could always chime in
> here if he wants. What's the scoop with hiking? I want to start doing a bit
> of it, and I imagine there's a modern variety with all kinds of ridiculous
> gear and "training" that this JoeRivBob would rather avoid. What do regular
> folks who just want to go for a nice walk in the hills need to know?
>
> Joe Bernard
> Novato CA.
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Re: [RBW] OT but mentioned on the Blahg: Hiking

[Patrick Moore]

On the other hand, when I walk my dog a mile down the street and back, I
just make sure I'm wearing pants, slip on my beat up boat shoes, and
shuffle off.

On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 11:50 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I didn't see hiking mentioned there; that's fine, though.
>
> You can't walk, you know, unless to subscribe to *WALKING!* and spend at
> least $3,675.00 on kit.
>
> I ought to do more hiking, especially since I live 100 yards from some
> pretty bosque trails. If I ever stop cycling, it will be hiking, or walking
> -- what's the difference? -- that I'd turn to.
>
> Good shoes and socks; I use thick wool ones from Costco, and bought my
> walking shoes at a REI parking lot sale.
>
> Warm weather gear:
>
> Good hat for sun. I found a nice-ish straw panama hat which works well;
> ventilated; tho' a hole is growing in the crown.
>
> Shades. The light here makes the light on the Santa Monica beach look like
> the winter sky in Finland.
>
> Clothes that breathe. I don't wear anything else, so it's my usual khaki
> cutoffs, cotton or better rayon shirt.
>
> Sunscreen for your fair-skinned folks. I never use it.
>
> Walking stick, just to have something to swing. Mine was made in Mombasa
> 50+ years ago; I bought it from a street vendor for my father, and
> inherited it back. Some sort of reddish hardwood that maker had transformed
> into ebony with black shoe polish; knob in shape of a Bantu head with,
> coiling up from the bottom, a snake encircling the stick.
>
> Water if you are going to be out for a couple of hours, but I don't need
> it for an hour.
>
> But Joe, you know all this, right?
>
> Patrick "lists for lists' sake" Moore
>
> On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 9:27 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> I was going to email Grant directly, but figured he could always chime in
>> here if he wants. What's the scoop with hiking? I want to start doing a bit
>> of it, and I imagine there's a modern variety with all kinds of ridiculous
>> gear and "training" that this JoeRivBob would rather avoid. What do regular
>> folks who just want to go for a nice walk in the hills need to know?
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>> Novato CA.
>>
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[RBW] Re: OT but mentioned on the Blahg: Hiking

[Mat Grewe]

On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 10:34:20 AM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Alternate between left foot and right. Stay on the trail unless you don’t 
> want to.


Well said!  Hike with whatever you have.  I have hiked with leather boots 
to barefoot and everything between and I haven't noticed a difference in my 
enjoyment of the trails (except when my wimpy feet get sore from going 
barefoot!).  Barring previous injuries that require it, ankle support is 
not needed, although it can be helpful on scree fields or super loose and 
steep terrain.  If you don't have much ankle strength, start short and work 
your way to longer trips over time to allow for all the little muscles and 
ligaments to strengthen.


As for hiking poles, I do have a chronic knee issue and poles of some kind 
reduce some of the impact to my knee.  Usually a good ole stick found in 
the woods does the trick.  Hiking this simple way, one cannot help evoking 
thoughts of Mr. Muir.





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[RBW] Re: Your favorite Rivendell?

[Eli Queen]

I only have one, a 51cm red Rosco Bubbe, so it's my favorite. In the year 
I've had it, it's great for everything I've had the opportunity to do with 
it. Rocky and rooty MA trails, to a 100k Populaire, VT dirt roads, getting 
me to and from work. Super stable, never twitchy, but not heavy or sluggish 
at all. The best thing I can say is that it always encourages me to take 
the long way ... no matter where I'm going.

Eli
CMB, MA




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[RBW] Re: Made in Taiwan AHH?

[tc]

So, with Bill’s Legolas — a frame long ago discontinued — I assume that unless 
the blueprints and tooling to make them have been eaten, anyone could call Riv 
and ask for any of the discontinued frames. 

Anyone experience a case where this isn’t true?

Tom

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[RBW] Re: OT but mentioned on the Blahg: Hiking

[Mat Grewe]

Oh, but do know the dangerous critters and vegetation in the area as well 
as how to deal with them.  Someone mentioned bears already, but know what 
to do if you encounter a mountain lion, moose, rattlesnake, angry pigs, 
cows with horns who escaped their fence, etc.   Also, we have heaps of deer 
ticks that carry lyme disease, so I do at least two thorough tick checks 
after spending time in the woods.  Those little buggers know how to hide!  
Know how to identify poisen oak, ivy, wild parsnip, or any other 
"uncomfortable" plants that your area might have.  Seasoned locals are 
often the best to ask about those sorts of things.  Then, enjoy travelling 
a slower pace!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis tires rec request

[Bin Chen]

I have RTP on mine and they fit but cannot fit fenders. just FYI

On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 10:50:35 AM UTC-7, Mike Williams wrote:
>
> Yes Tim,   RTPs will fit on an Atlantis.Get em on there!!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 3, 2018, at 1:44 PM, Tim Butterfield  > wrote:
>
> Awesome info.  Thanks everyone.
>
> The current set is Schwalbe Marathon 1.75" on Atlas wheels and there seems 
> to be plenty of space.
>
> The RTP sound great, especially if I can still add fenders later if 
> needed.  I'll go ahead and order a set.
>
> Thanks again.
>
> Tim
>
> On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 9:56 PM, Tim Butterfield  > wrote:
>
>> I have been spoiled by the Barlow Pass EL on my 700c Homer and want to 
>> have the same plush ride on my 26" Atlantis.  I doubt the Rat Trap Pass 
>> would fit at 2.3", but could probably fit the 1.8" Naches Pass and 
>> definitely the 1.5" McClure Pass.
>>
>> Currently, I'm leaning towards the Naches Pass EL in black.  It doesn't 
>> currently have fenders and current usage doesn't require them.  I'd 
>> probably need to drop to the McClure to add fenders.  My current usage of 
>> the Atlantis is as a grab and go around town bike, which doesn't require 
>> rainy rides.
>>
>> What would your recommendations be for this tire?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>
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[RBW] Re: FS/FT: Acorn bag, Filson coat, Duluth bag, Shimano brakes

[Drw]

what's left

*Filson Mackinaw Cruiser Jacket- *i assume if you're on this board, you 
know how great these jackets are (but i live in socal and have no need) 
this is a 38 long. which is basically a medium in filson sizes. 24oz virgin 
wool, made in USA. forest green, more saturated than the pics. essentially 
perfect condition. no holes, stains, wear etc. I've worn it maybe twice.  
kept in a sealed bag- 225$ shipped. 

*Shimano MTB brake levers-* canti/sidepull. The ones riv sells. great shape 
but for some shellac residue- 20$ shipped. 

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[RBW] Re: Made in Taiwan AHH?

[Bill Lindsay]

Anybody can order a Legolas today.  It'll be built by Nobilette.  Mark A 
will call Mark N. and tell him "build a Legolas, size xx, and Mark N will 
know precisely what to do because he has the sheet.  My personal 'standard 
options' were

-slightly more TT slope (2 degree vs 1.5 degree)
-no pump peg
-no rear brake hanger
-fender bosses on rear bridges

Anybody can order a Nobilette Bombadil, Glorious, Wilbury today.  

I don't know if you can order a Nobilette frame that says Quickbeam on it, 
or Rambouillet, or Bleriot, or Simple One.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA


On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 11:05:42 AM UTC-7, tc wrote:
>
> So, with Bill’s Legolas — a frame long ago discontinued — I assume that 
> unless the blueprints and tooling to make them have been eaten, anyone 
> could call Riv and ask for any of the discontinued frames. 
>
> Anyone experience a case where this isn’t true? 
>
> Tom

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Re: [RBW] OT but mentioned on the Blahg: Hiking

[Tim Butterfield]

I prefer sandals, specifically Luna Sandals in a model with a sole with a
bit of traction.  These are the sandals first inspired by the Tarahumara as
documented in the book, Born to Run.  I figure if they're good enough for
folks running long distance trail races, they should be good enough for me
to use for very short distances also.  I like them and have several pair.

https://lunasandals.com/


On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 8:27 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> I was going to email Grant directly, but figured he could always chime in
> here if he wants. What's the scoop with hiking? I want to start doing a bit
> of it, and I imagine there's a modern variety with all kinds of ridiculous
> gear and "training" that this JoeRivBob would rather avoid. What do regular
> folks who just want to go for a nice walk in the hills need to know?
>
> Joe Bernard
> Novato CA.
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Re: [RBW] OT but mentioned on the Blahg: Hiking

[Joe Bernard]

It's mentioned somewhere where Grant was saying he would hike more cool places 
if he didn't hate driving to them. And if I "knew all this" I wouldn't be 
asking, now would I? I know the general stuff about food and water, but know 
nothing about correct shoes and hiking sticks and whatnot. And I wouldn't have 
thought of bear mace. 

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Re: [RBW] OT but mentioned on the Blahg: Hiking

[Patrick Moore]

Walking is not that difficult. Dangers particular to particular areas are
another matter, but none were raised in the original question.

Even I, who never walk when I can ride, know to wear comfortable shoes and
socks, clothes, protect from sun, and so forth; you really don't need to
subscribe to *WALKING!*

On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 12:52 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> It's mentioned somewhere where Grant was saying he would hike more cool
> places if he didn't hate driving to them. And if I "knew all this" I
> wouldn't be asking, now would I? I know the general stuff about food and
> water, but know nothing about correct shoes and hiking sticks and whatnot.
> And I wouldn't have thought of bear mace.
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[RBW] Re: Your favorite Rivendell?

[LBleriot]

I'll play.  I own a Bleriot, a custom 650B, an orange Ram, a Rom, a Roadeo, 
a Roadini, a Heron Road and a Soma San Marcos (the last two being Riv 
inspired or designed).  As you can tell, the needle is kinda stuck.  I live 
on Long Island which is mostly flat and paved but punctuated with steep 
short hills on the north shore and pot holes galore in Spring.  My favorite 
is the protovelo Rom.  I don't know why.  They are all built similarly.  
The Rom is silver and with only one decal is the cleanest looking-most 
comfortable-while-sprightly, one of the bunch.  The Heron is a pure joy 
with its "narrow" 28c tires.  The Bleriot gets the least love although it's 
the most dressed up with Berthoud fenders, rack and top shelf components.  
It looks the part, but is a bit sluggish and has been relegated to winter 
riding.  The Roadini and San Marcos fight it out for rainy day rides as 
both are fendered and yet fairly light and snappy.  The creamsicle Ram is 
just plain fun.

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for aerobic base training heart rate monitors?

[LBleriot]

Keene sandals???  Serously, I think this aimed at the wrong crowd.

On Wednesday, May 2, 2018 at 11:59:22 PM UTC-4, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> What do Rivendell Riders use for aerobic base training  heart rate 
> monitors?

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Re: [RBW] OT but mentioned on the Blahg: Hiking

[Deacon Patrick]

I used to sprain my ankle 2-4 times a year hiking with heavy, custom boots. 
Zero sprains since going barefoot/minimalist. “Support” weakens the system. 
Cushion deafens and blinds the system. WHen you can’t feel rocks and roots, 
ankles roll. Takes time (3 mo. as a rule) to build up atrophied muscles. Take 
it slow.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] OT but mentioned on the Blahg: Hiking

[Joe Bernard]

I didn't mention this mythical walking magazine and I don't know why you're 
giving me shit. It's clearly marked OT and I've gotten a lot of useful 
information without doing a deep dive down high-tech WALKING! rabbit holes I'm 
trying to avoid. So take a hike!

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Re: [RBW] OT but mentioned on the Blahg: Hiking

[lconley]

I use trekking poles and whatever shoes (or flip-flops) that I have on. I 
have the same problem with hiking boots as I do with cycling shoes - nobody 
makes them that fit me so I don't use them. I spent an hour or so in the 
REI in downtown Seattle and they didn't have anything that fit me (wide 
feet + extremely high arch). I do not trust my balance going down hill and 
it really slows me down if I don't have the sticks. Amazing how much easier 
it is to ride than walk.

Laing
Cocoa, FL


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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for aerobic base training heart rate monitors?

[Lum Gim Fong]

Some of us have chatted on various threads about it and the Maffetone book 
so I thought I would ask since I am looking for one.

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[RBW] Bleriot sighting, Arlington Massachusetts

[Rod Holland]

Saw a nice Bleriot (wait, is there any other kind?) locked to street 
furniture on Mass. Ave., near the Town Hall, on Wednesday evening. Put a 
spring in my step...

rod

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[RBW] New Journal Entry up at Analog Cycles: Disconnecting to get connected: A Journey in Satchidananda

[James / Analog Cycles]

Journal entry about Analog Cycles moving to Vermont, starting our shop off 
the grid, hewing thoughts down, Modal Jazz and stormy seas, that sort of 
thing.  The new shop space is coming along.  We'll be open June 1, with 
luck.  181 Hillside Rd, East Poultney VT, 05764.  Lots of Atlantis frames n 
demo bikes on tap, as well as Sams, a Clem or two, lots of Crust stuff, and 
more.  Enlightened fitting, wheel builds, lightning systems...  All outta a 
small Sugar House in a stand of maple trees.  

https://www.analogcycles.com/2018/05/03/disconnecting-to-get-connected/


 






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[RBW] Re: Shipping handlebars

[Lester Lammers]

FWIW, I just sent some 48cm Noodles and brake levers to a friend. I used 
some bubble wrap and put them in a heavy duty contractor trash bag. I wound 
the excess bag around the bars and taped the 'package'. It worked great. I 
sent them USPS priority mail and it was $6.72 from Naples to Orlando, FL.


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[RBW] Re: Made in Taiwan AHH?

[Lester Lammers]

It's just great to know that you can still get a blast from the past. 

On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 2:43:55 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Anybody can order a Legolas today.  It'll be built by Nobilette.  Mark A 
> will call Mark N. and tell him "build a Legolas, size xx, and Mark N will 
> know precisely what to do because he has the sheet.  My personal 'standard 
> options' were
>
> -slightly more TT slope (2 degree vs 1.5 degree)
> -no pump peg
> -no rear brake hanger
> -fender bosses on rear bridges
>
> Anybody can order a Nobilette Bombadil, Glorious, Wilbury today.  
>
> *I don't know if you can order a Nobilette frame that says Quickbeam on 
> it, or Rambouillet, or Bleriot, or Simple One.*  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
> On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 11:05:42 AM UTC-7, tc wrote:
>>
>> So, with Bill’s Legolas — a frame long ago discontinued — I assume that 
>> unless the blueprints and tooling to make them have been eaten, anyone 
>> could call Riv and ask for any of the discontinued frames. 
>>
>> Anyone experience a case where this isn’t true? 
>>
>> Tom
>
>

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[RBW] MTBubbe Update

[Paul Clifton]

 A lot happened over the last 8 months or so, so I've been pretty content 
riding my MTBubbe when I got the chance, rather than working on it, so 
until last week, the bars were way to high and close.

But a couple weeks ago, I found out that the local MTB group, 
www.sorbaatlanta.org, was just about done building a few miles of single 
track in a park less than a mile from my house. So I had to go check it 
out. Here's how the bike looked the first time I went:
[image: image.jpeg]

Bars too high and too close, 1.8" semi-slick Gravel Kings. It turns out the 
trail is an awesome mix of flow, with bumps and berms and jumps and stuff, 
with some technical climbing, and some fast straight downhill. This photo 
is probably the flattest part of the trail. I definitely lost traction in 
some spots, especially on climbs. The bike still felt great, but it was 
really time to swap the stem, at least.

I also borrowed an old 2.35" wide tire from a friend of mine to do a test 
fit, and ended up with a mullet bike:
[image: image.jpeg]

Business in the front. Party in the back! I did a couple laps in my 
backyard to test out the tire, and decided I should go ahead and try out 
the MTBubbe as a mountain bike. So I got a pair of Neo Motos and headed to 
the trail last night.
[image: image.jpeg]

Holy cow. I'm beat today. The trail is basically along either side of a 
drainage wash that goes into a fairly big creek (a tributary of Camp Creek 
for you Civil War buffs), so there is not a single flat spot. There is an 
inner loop and an outer loop. I did both loops twice. So maybe 5 or 6 
miles. I'll take some pictures of the trail next time I go, but I was 
having too much fun riding and just grabbed a quick photo at the end of the 
ride.

The tires are a huge improvement! So is the stem. I've learned a lot 
already, riding these trails.

1. The Albatross bars are comfy on the trail and give plenty of control, 
but they're a little impractical. They bump my knees in tight turns. I've 
got a Jitensha bar and some rapid fire shifters that I'm going to try out 
when I get a 26.0 clamp stem. I'm really hoping to try out that new curvy 
bar that's been rumored around here.

2. Use the front brake, man. I usually use both brakes together, but on the 
dirt, the back tire skids so easily that it's better to just not use it 
most of the time. I headed into a steep downhill section a little too fast, 
and had to almost lock down the front wheel to get through it. If I'd 
locked up the back wheel, I would've been in trouble. These Avid v-brakes 
are amazing though! They always seem to have a little more power to give. 
Front braking also makes bermed corners more fun and flowy.

3. Nobbies make a difference on dirt, at least for me. I read a good bit 
about tread before buying these tires. I'm not sure I came to any 
conclusions. The Neo Motos seemed good, and as seems to be the case with 
Panaracer, they were a good price too. I can definitely clear a couple 
spots that I couldn't on the semi-slick Gravel Kings, but the ride to the 
trail isn't as smooth.

4. MTB riders know what they're doing with high bottom brackets, single 
tiny front chainrings, and short crank arms. There are places that my big 
ring and bottom bracket just won't clear on these trails. I'll have to 
figure out a line to take that doesn't bottom out my bike.

So the MTBubbe fits 2.3" Neo Motos on Atlas rims, and it really is an 
insanely versatile and fun bike. I can't wait to ride some more trails! 
This opens up a whole new chunk of the city to ramble around.



Any suggestions for a seat post that will keep my saddle from tilting back 
when I bounce around on it?

Paul in ATL

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[RBW] Re: MTBubbe Update

[Paul Clifton]

Aww drat. It deleted the photos when I posted for some reason. It seems 
like it doesn't like me dragging and dropping from my desktop, so I'll try 
the insert images button. Here they are:







And just for fun, here's one from Florida in January








On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 4:26:48 PM UTC-4, Paul Clifton wrote:
>
> A lot happened over the last 8 months or so, so I've been pretty content 
> riding my MTBubbe when I got the chance, rather than working on it, so 
> until last week, the bars were way to high and close.
>
> But a couple weeks ago, I found out that the local MTB group, 
> www.sorbaatlanta.org, was just about done building a few miles of single 
> track in a park less than a mile from my house. So I had to go check it 
> out. Here's how the bike looked the first time I went:
> [image: image.jpeg]
>
> Bars too high and too close, 1.8" semi-slick Gravel Kings. It turns out 
> the trail is an awesome mix of flow, with bumps and berms and jumps and 
> stuff, with some technical climbing, and some fast straight downhill. This 
> photo is probably the flattest part of the trail. I definitely lost 
> traction in some spots, especially on climbs. The bike still felt great, 
> but it was really time to swap the stem, at least.
>
> I also borrowed an old 2.35" wide tire from a friend of mine to do a test 
> fit, and ended up with a mullet bike:
> [image: image.jpeg]
>
> Business in the front. Party in the back! I did a couple laps in my 
> backyard to test out the tire, and decided I should go ahead and try out 
> the MTBubbe as a mountain bike. So I got a pair of Neo Motos and headed to 
> the trail last night.
> [image: image.jpeg]
>
> Holy cow. I'm beat today. The trail is basically along either side of a 
> drainage wash that goes into a fairly big creek (a tributary of Camp Creek 
> for you Civil War buffs), so there is not a single flat spot. There is an 
> inner loop and an outer loop. I did both loops twice. So maybe 5 or 6 
> miles. I'll take some pictures of the trail next time I go, but I was 
> having too much fun riding and just grabbed a quick photo at the end of the 
> ride.
>
> The tires are a huge improvement! So is the stem. I've learned a lot 
> already, riding these trails.
>
> 1. The Albatross bars are comfy on the trail and give plenty of control, 
> but they're a little impractical. They bump my knees in tight turns. I've 
> got a Jitensha bar and some rapid fire shifters that I'm going to try out 
> when I get a 26.0 clamp stem. I'm really hoping to try out that new curvy 
> bar that's been rumored around here.
>
> 2. Use the front brake, man. I usually use both brakes together, but on 
> the dirt, the back tire skids so easily that it's better to just not use it 
> most of the time. I headed into a steep downhill section a little too fast, 
> and had to almost lock down the front wheel to get through it. If I'd 
> locked up the back wheel, I would've been in trouble. These Avid v-brakes 
> are amazing though! They always seem to have a little more power to give. 
> Front braking also makes bermed corners more fun and flowy.
>
> 3. Nobbies make a difference on dirt, at least for me. I read a good bit 
> about tread before buying these tires. I'm not sure I came to any 
> conclusions. The Neo Motos seemed good, and as seems to be the case with 
> Panaracer, they were a good price too. I can definitely clear a couple 
> spots that I couldn't on the semi-slick Gravel Kings, but the ride to the 
> trail isn't as smooth.
>
> 4. MTB riders know what they're doing with high bottom brackets, single 
> tiny front chainrings, and short crank arms. There are places that my big 
> ring and bottom bracket just won't clear on these trails. I'll have to 
> figure out a line to take that doesn't bottom out my bike.
>
> So the MTBubbe fits 2.3" Neo Motos on Atlas rims, and it really is an 
> insanely versatile and fun bike. I can't wait to ride some more trails! 
> This opens up a whole new chunk of the city to ramble around.
>
>
> 
>
> Any suggestions for a seat post that will keep my saddle from tilting back 
> when I bounce around on it?
>
> Paul in ATL
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: MTBubbe Update

[Tim Gavin]

Congrats on the bike!  Glad you're giving it a chance to show its "burly"
side.

You can try torque-ing down the saddle clamp bolt to prevent it from
shifting.

But, any two-bolt seatpost will clamp more securely than the Nitto S65
Crystal Fellow (or clone) you're using.
The Nitto S83 or lugged S84 are the Riv-supplied solutions.  I also see
two-bolt posts in silver from Ritchey, Deda, and others.
I like the clamp head on Thomson posts, but they only come in straight (not
enough setback with a Brooks) or angled (proper setback, weird looks).
Soma's Zero post has the same problem (lack of setback).



On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 3:37 PM, Paul Clifton  wrote:
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>
>> Any suggestions for a seat post that will keep my saddle from tilting
>> back when I bounce around on it?
>>
>> Paul in ATL
>>
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Re: [RBW] Bleriot sighting, Arlington Massachusetts

[mikel66...@juno.com]

there was a 59cm Bleriot frame for sale on Boston craigslist last week, perhap 
that was it

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[RBW] Re: MTBubbe Update

[George Rosselle]

I have boscomoose bars on my old Fat Chance that I keep in FL, and I find 
them good for road rides and doubletrack, but not so good for singletrack, 
particularly when it is a tight twisty trail, like many around Atlanta. You 
will be happier with something that does not come back as far, maybe a bit 
more straight. And you will find the 2.35 tire will be better on the front, 
it will give you a bit of cush. Get a 2.1 for the back, Notubes was blowing 
out their 2.1 for $20, if you can set it up tubless you will be happy on 
the trail and the street. A little slip on the back on a trail is not bad, 
and tubeless will give you more cush and better traction if you run it with 
lower psi.

Where do you access the new trail? I also live in the Atlanta area, and 
enjoy trying new trails. I am out on the east side, near Harbins and 
Tribble Mill and Fort Yargo trails.

On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 4:26:48 PM UTC-4, Paul Clifton wrote:
>
> A lot happened over the last 8 months or so, so I've been pretty content 
> riding my MTBubbe when I got the chance, rather than working on it, so 
> until last week, the bars were way to high and close.
>
> But a couple weeks ago, I found out that the local MTB group, 
> www.sorbaatlanta.org, was just about done building a few miles of single 
> track in a park less than a mile from my house. So I had to go check it 
> out. Here's how the bike looked the first time I went:
> [image: image.jpeg]
>
> Bars too high and too close, 1.8" semi-slick Gravel Kings. It turns out 
> the trail is an awesome mix of flow, with bumps and berms and jumps and 
> stuff, with some technical climbing, and some fast straight downhill. This 
> photo is probably the flattest part of the trail. I definitely lost 
> traction in some spots, especially on climbs. The bike still felt great, 
> but it was really time to swap the stem, at least.
>
> I also borrowed an old 2.35" wide tire from a friend of mine to do a test 
> fit, and ended up with a mullet bike:
> [image: image.jpeg]
>
> Business in the front. Party in the back! I did a couple laps in my 
> backyard to test out the tire, and decided I should go ahead and try out 
> the MTBubbe as a mountain bike. So I got a pair of Neo Motos and headed to 
> the trail last night.
> [image: image.jpeg]
>
> Holy cow. I'm beat today. The trail is basically along either side of a 
> drainage wash that goes into a fairly big creek (a tributary of Camp Creek 
> for you Civil War buffs), so there is not a single flat spot. There is an 
> inner loop and an outer loop. I did both loops twice. So maybe 5 or 6 
> miles. I'll take some pictures of the trail next time I go, but I was 
> having too much fun riding and just grabbed a quick photo at the end of the 
> ride.
>
> The tires are a huge improvement! So is the stem. I've learned a lot 
> already, riding these trails.
>
> 1. The Albatross bars are comfy on the trail and give plenty of control, 
> but they're a little impractical. They bump my knees in tight turns. I've 
> got a Jitensha bar and some rapid fire shifters that I'm going to try out 
> when I get a 26.0 clamp stem. I'm really hoping to try out that new curvy 
> bar that's been rumored around here.
>
> 2. Use the front brake, man. I usually use both brakes together, but on 
> the dirt, the back tire skids so easily that it's better to just not use it 
> most of the time. I headed into a steep downhill section a little too fast, 
> and had to almost lock down the front wheel to get through it. If I'd 
> locked up the back wheel, I would've been in trouble. These Avid v-brakes 
> are amazing though! They always seem to have a little more power to give. 
> Front braking also makes bermed corners more fun and flowy.
>
> 3. Nobbies make a difference on dirt, at least for me. I read a good bit 
> about tread before buying these tires. I'm not sure I came to any 
> conclusions. The Neo Motos seemed good, and as seems to be the case with 
> Panaracer, they were a good price too. I can definitely clear a couple 
> spots that I couldn't on the semi-slick Gravel Kings, but the ride to the 
> trail isn't as smooth.
>
> 4. MTB riders know what they're doing with high bottom brackets, single 
> tiny front chainrings, and short crank arms. There are places that my big 
> ring and bottom bracket just won't clear on these trails. I'll have to 
> figure out a line to take that doesn't bottom out my bike.
>
> So the MTBubbe fits 2.3" Neo Motos on Atlas rims, and it really is an 
> insanely versatile and fun bike. I can't wait to ride some more trails! 
> This opens up a whole new chunk of the city to ramble around.
>
>
> 
>
> Any suggestions for a seat post that will keep my saddle from tilting back 
> when I bounce around on it?
>
> Paul in ATL
>

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[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[Jeremy Till]

More hints today! 

We were all set to name the new mtn bike Elephantus--a rebound name after 
> we'd finally opted out of Hunqapillar to avoid confusion...and it turns out 
> there is an Elephant brand bike, so we gotta just let him be with that. So 
> now it's down to Sir Barney Johnston and H. "Larry" Gomez. Maybe "Sir" 
> Barney Johnston. I don't know how I feel about the quotes. It adds a nice 
> twist, don't you think?


I'm guessing plus tires, based on the original Elephantus name.   

On Friday, April 27, 2018 at 12:24:19 PM UTC-7, Jeremy Till wrote:
>
> This might be a stretch, but hey, what's the fun in following a guru if 
> you can't spend hours parsing his words and interpreting them?  I think 
> there might be a hint towards an upcoming trail-oriented Riv (or update to 
> an existing Riv) hidden in this passage from Grant's post yesterday 
> 
> : 
>
> In mountain bike racing and just riding, it's gone the other way. The 
>> early guys were riding unsuitably low-tech bikes, then bikes reached a 
>> basic good level of appropriate technology in the late '80s, and now 
>> they've borrowed as much as possible—for now—from cars and motorcycles. 
>> There are reactions to it the other way, with one-speed mountain bikes, but 
>> those are fading fast because...one gear is too limiting for varied 
>> terrain. *There's no restraint at that end, and we're going to show 'em 
>> all what-for sometime late this year, if we can pull it off.*
>
>
> I wonder what it could be...the before-hinted plus-tire Hunqapillar?  
> Bringing back the Bombadil (probably can't be done under the LOTR gag 
> order)?  Some other new trail-oriented rig?
>
> Honestly, I'm pretty satisfied with my Jones-barred Clem as my MTB 
> (well...a threadless fork would be nice), so I'm not anxiously awaiting 
> anything, but it would be interesting to see what they come up with.  
>
> Let the speculation begin! 
>

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[RBW] Re: Made in Taiwan AHH?

[John G.]

Looking forward to the catalog. I will be interested to see the differences 
between the MIT Homer and Sam--is down to cantis vs calipers? STA and 
chainstays? Clearance? 

I have to say that my two most recent non-Riv frames were Made in Taiwan, 
and they really are tremendously well done. I've heard some folks say that 
MIT forks are overbuilt, but IMHO that's not really a problem unless you're 
running 23-25mm tires. 

On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 4:20:14 PM UTC-4, Lester Lammers wrote:
>
> It's just great to know that you can still get a blast from the past. 
>
> On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 2:43:55 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Anybody can order a Legolas today.  It'll be built by Nobilette.  Mark A 
>> will call Mark N. and tell him "build a Legolas, size xx, and Mark N will 
>> know precisely what to do because he has the sheet.  My personal 'standard 
>> options' were
>>
>> -slightly more TT slope (2 degree vs 1.5 degree)
>> -no pump peg
>> -no rear brake hanger
>> -fender bosses on rear bridges
>>
>> Anybody can order a Nobilette Bombadil, Glorious, Wilbury today.  
>>
>> *I don't know if you can order a Nobilette frame that says Quickbeam on 
>> it, or Rambouillet, or Bleriot, or Simple One.*  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 11:05:42 AM UTC-7, tc wrote:
>>>
>>> So, with Bill’s Legolas — a frame long ago discontinued — I assume that 
>>> unless the blueprints and tooling to make them have been eaten, anyone 
>>> could call Riv and ask for any of the discontinued frames. 
>>>
>>> Anyone experience a case where this isn’t true? 
>>>
>>> Tom
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New Journal Entry up at Analog Cycles: Disconnecting to get connected: A Journey in Satchidananda

[George Rosselle]

It sure looks like a beautiful space. I wish it was not so far from 
Georgia, we sure would love to visit. Maybe a train ride is due.



On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 4:02:16 PM UTC-4, James / Analog Cycles wrote:
>
> Journal entry about Analog Cycles moving to Vermont, starting our shop off 
> the grid, hewing thoughts down, Modal Jazz and stormy seas, that sort of 
> thing.  The new shop space is coming along.  We'll be open June 1, with 
> luck.  181 Hillside Rd, East Poultney VT, 05764.  Lots of Atlantis frames n 
> demo bikes on tap, as well as Sams, a Clem or two, lots of Crust stuff, and 
> more.  Enlightened fitting, wheel builds, lightning systems...  All outta a 
> small Sugar House in a stand of maple trees.  
>
> https://www.analogcycles.com/2018/05/03/disconnecting-to-get-connected/
>
>
> 
>  
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Made in Taiwan AHH?

[Lester Lammers]

Different is what Rivendell has always been and evolution is not a bad 
thing.I found Riv when I was looking for a fatter tire all around bike. I 
bought a Bleriot frame. Bulls eye. I regret selling it. I am really excited 
about my forthcoming MIT 53cm Atlantis. I have a 1987, I believe, Panasonic 
MC7500 HT MTB with 26" tires. It has 17" chainstays and there is some heel 
strike with rear bags. Ain't gonna be there with the new Atlantis. As a 
parting thought I saw some Garmin pedals for $999 or so. I think they 
alert of an impending heart attack.:-) Is the price of a MIT frame 
reasonable? Like yeah.

I have a recent 55cm Cheviot. The long chainstays make for a Buick Electra 
225 ride. A bit sluggish for me at the tender age of 66 but I'll keep it 
and put it back in service after I can't get my leg over the Atlantis. You 
can't stop the clock.

Thanks Grant!

. 
>
>

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[RBW] Hub Shiners

[Clayton.sf]

what about the shiner wearing through the hub though?!

Clayton Scott
ST, CA

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[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[Bill Lindsay]

The New Mountain Bike.  APPROVE.

BL in EC

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Re: [RBW] OT but mentioned on the Blahg: Hiking

[Patrick Moore]

Joe: you need to subscribe to WALKING. It tells you all you need to know--and 
more!

Patrick Moore
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> On May 3, 2018, at 1:25 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> I didn't mention this mythical walking magazine and I don't know why you're 
> giving me shit. It's clearly marked OT and I've gotten a lot of useful 
> information without doing a deep dive down high-tech WALKING! rabbit holes 
> I'm trying to avoid. So take a hike!
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Re: [RBW] OT but mentioned on the Blahg: Hiking

[Patrick Moore]

BTW: if WALKING is a real magazine, I apologize, and retract my
recommendation; I had no idea. (Still don't.)

On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 4:04 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Joe: you need to subscribe to WALKING. It tells you all you need to
> know--and more!
>
> Patrick Moore
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>
> > On May 3, 2018, at 1:25 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> >
> > I didn't mention this mythical walking magazine and I don't know why
> you're giving me shit. It's clearly marked OT and I've gotten a lot of
> useful information without doing a deep dive down high-tech WALKING! rabbit
> holes I'm trying to avoid. So take a hike!
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[RBW] Re: Bleriot sighting, Arlington Massachusetts

[Lum Gim Fong]

What was the build like?


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[RBW] May Snow

[Deacon Patrick]

In which there’s no chance it won’t. Grin.
https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/may-snow

With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: OT but mentioned on the Blahg: Hiking

[Lum Gim Fong]

Remember:

Leaves of three...let them be...
Hairy vine...no friend of mine...

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[RBW] Hub Shiners

[Joe Bernard]

If you coat the hub with Obenauf's every 978 hours it will remain sealed from 
the effects of shiner friction. Totally. 

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Re: [RBW] May Snow

[Steve Palincsar]

Hah!  And here we are in the DMV having gone straight to summer, with 90 
degrees and 40% humidity.



On 05/03/2018 06:19 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:

In which there’s no chance it won’t. Grin.
https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/may-snow

With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for aerobic base training heart rate monitors?

[Deacon Patrick]

Tom, aerobic base training is simply going at a slow enough pace that you 
aren’t going anaerobic. Doing this over time increases efficiency, so that with 
the same effort, based on heart rate, you are going faster/farther. Phil 
Maffetone is the lad who put it altogether. He has a slew of books out. Pick 
the one aimed at your lifestyle, they’re otherwise basically the same from what 
I can tell. 
https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_c_2_9?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=phil+maffetone+books&sprefix=phil+maff%2Caps%2C197&crid=1KYLAX2WME91R

Lum, my HRM is feel. I calibrated my feel early on with a heart rate app on my 
phone. Since then, I monitor my effort by feel. Basically, if I can chant the 
rosary to myself aloud, I’m good. The more I have to breath heavily doing that, 
the more anaerobic I am. Simple and easy and free.

With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

This bike has me more excited and curious than any new Riv since I started 
following in 2011.  

No offense to Grant & Co., but I really hope they can come up with a better 
name.   

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Re: [RBW] May Snow

[Deacon Patrick]

Wild world, ain’t it, Steve? Grin. Depending on time and altitude, it was 20˚F 
to 35˚F and 95% humidity.

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] May Snow

[Steve Palincsar]

It would have been nice to actually have spring.  We went straight from 
"too cold to ride" [for many, anyway] to summer and "too hot".



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Wild world, ain’t it, Steve? Grin. Depending on time and altitude, it was 20˚F 
to 35˚F and 95% humidity.

With abandon,
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[RBW] OT but mentioned on the Blahg: Hiking

[Carl]

How are the ticks in the bay area this time of year? They’re pretty bad where I 
live in the NC mountains.

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Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[Tim Butterfield]

Maybe it has a smooth ride instead of smooth talk and they could add the
quotes and an 'L' to it and end with an 'e'.  "Sir" Blarney Johnstone.

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> following in 2011.
>
> No offense to Grant & Co., but I really hope they can come up with a
> better name.
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Re: [RBW] May Snow

[Deacon Patrick]

I hear you. This is spring round these parts. Good news is I’m stupid enough to 
love it. Grin.

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[RBW] Re: May Snow

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

That looks like a blast!!!  



On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 5:19:12 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
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> In which there’s no chance it won’t. Grin.
> https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/may-snow
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> With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

['Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

 Atlantis= bitchin!   Hunquapillar= groovy!   Rodeo= rad!  People 
names...ugh. I would rather ride "Bikey Mcbikeface".  

"Gaiavelo" is my vote.  I know..I don't have a vote, but I like to 
try... :)

Clayton
DirtDance

On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 2:11:48 PM UTC-7, Jeremy Till wrote:
>
> More hints today! 
>
> We were all set to name the new mtn bike Elephantus--a rebound name after 
>> we'd finally opted out of Hunqapillar to avoid confusion...and it turns out 
>> there is an Elephant brand bike, so we gotta just let him be with that. So 
>> now it's down to Sir Barney Johnston and H. "Larry" Gomez. Maybe "Sir" 
>> Barney Johnston. I don't know how I feel about the quotes. It adds a nice 
>> twist, don't you think?
>
>
> I'm guessing plus tires, based on the original Elephantus name.   
>
> On Friday, April 27, 2018 at 12:24:19 PM UTC-7, Jeremy Till wrote:
>>
>> This might be a stretch, but hey, what's the fun in following a guru if 
>> you can't spend hours parsing his words and interpreting them?  I think 
>> there might be a hint towards an upcoming trail-oriented Riv (or update to 
>> an existing Riv) hidden in this passage from Grant's post yesterday 
>> 
>> : 
>>
>> In mountain bike racing and just riding, it's gone the other way. The 
>>> early guys were riding unsuitably low-tech bikes, then bikes reached a 
>>> basic good level of appropriate technology in the late '80s, and now 
>>> they've borrowed as much as possible—for now—from cars and motorcycles. 
>>> There are reactions to it the other way, with one-speed mountain bikes, but 
>>> those are fading fast because...one gear is too limiting for varied 
>>> terrain. *There's no restraint at that end, and we're going to show 'em 
>>> all what-for sometime late this year, if we can pull it off.*
>>
>>
>> I wonder what it could be...the before-hinted plus-tire Hunqapillar?  
>> Bringing back the Bombadil (probably can't be done under the LOTR gag 
>> order)?  Some other new trail-oriented rig?
>>
>> Honestly, I'm pretty satisfied with my Jones-barred Clem as my MTB 
>> (well...a threadless fork would be nice), so I'm not anxiously awaiting 
>> anything, but it would be interesting to see what they come up with.  
>>
>> Let the speculation begin! 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[sameness]

Harry Elefante, Mt.B

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

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Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[Eric Floden]

Jack Keefe

EricF
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On Thu, May 3, 2018, 19:58 sameness  wrote:

> Harry Elefante, Mt.B
>
> Jeff Hagedorn
> Los Angeles, CA USA
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[RBW] New Journal Entry up at Analog Cycles: Disconnecting to get connected: A Journey in Satchidananda

[Joe Bernard]

I probably only understood about 40% of that, but it was cool!

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Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[Michael Morrissey]

Sir Barney Johnston just kind of sounds close to Bonnie Prince Billy. 

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