date:20161030

The tires I have on it now are Compass Snoqualmie Pass, which are labeled
at 700x44, and though I haven't measured them yet, I suspect they're closer
to 40mm as installed on the narrow-ish Open Pro rims I have for now. So the
answer is they will fit Snoqualmie Pass and fenders, though there are a few
tight spots that I'm not concerned about, but if the tires stretch or I
swap to a wider rim, which I intend to do, I may have to reconsider the
fender solution. I've split fenders previously to get a bit more clearance
under brakes, so I may go that route if need be.

I do have some BG Rock n' Roads, and they're labeled as 700x43, and my
recollection is that's a true size, and I've previously tried to install
them on my Sam Hllborne with these exact fenders and they did not fit. As
this fork is supposedly a Hillborne fork, I'd expect they would not work.
However, I have successfully run Rock n' Roads with Woody fenders that are
split in fore and aft segments for better clearance, and they are not
curved at the outer edges, so they work with the Rock n' Roads if you're
the sort who likes to tempt fate by running knobby tires with fenders. If
you search for me in the list archives you'll find pictures of that setup
on my Hillborne.

Measurement from the center of the bolt on my stem to the back of the
Brooks B17n saddle I have installed on is ~30 1/8 inches - I have the
saddle as far back as its short rails and the stock/generic one-bolt
mid-setback seatpost that shipped with the Rocso.

I have a ride/build report forthcoming...

-Jeff
Silver Spring, MD

On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 11:03 AM, Max S  wrote:

> That's a nice-looking set-up – perfect as a commuter, it seems.
>
> Which tires do you have on it?.. Will it fit Compass Snoqualmie Pass
> (38mm, I believe) AND fenders?.. What about Bruce Gordon Rock'n'Roads
> (45mm, I believe)?
>
> Also, would you mind measuring the distance from the back of the saddle to
> the stem steerer? Thanks!
>
> - Max
>
>
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[RBW] Rosco Bubbe v2 ride report

After finalizing the build of my new Rosco yesterday, I was able to get out
for more than a ride around the block today - I got ~15 miles in cruising
around the neighborhood, through potholed downtown Silver Spring, through a
wooded parkway and on some unpaved bike trails.

First, build details:
Wheels: Parts bin Ultegra/Open Pro
Tires: Compass Snoqualmie Pass 700x44
Fenders: Cream Longboard
Cranks: Shimano Deore
FD/RD: Shimano
Stem: Nitto Tecnomic ~130mm
Handlebars: Nitto/Riv Choco Norm
Brakes: Silver
Seatpost: 26.8 stock (Kalloy?)
Saddle: Brooks B17n hand-carved
Shifters: Silver on Paul Thumbies
Racks: Nitto/Riv Hub Area Rack, Mark's Rack
Chain: nothing special, SRAM something, but to note, brand-new standard
chain needed a few extra links from surplus chain for me to feel it was a
decent length to run down the long chainstays and to route through the long
cage RD.

Everything came out of my parts bin except for the handlebar and tires, and
most had been installed on my since passed on Hilsen.

I've mentioned that I'm either a drop bar guy or otherwise stretched-out
riding position guy. This is my first pulled back bar bike since I carted
the kids around on a Surly Big Dummy that was fitted with Albatross bars
some years ago. I've flirted with mustache and Albastache bars since, and
I've never been able to get them to work for more than very short rides.
So, having a bike that pretty much requires this type of bar was a bit
concerning.

My initial short test ride had me feeling like the front end was squirrely,
but I think I just had the bars too low - I bumped 'em up a tiny bit and
that sensation went away.

I rambled through mixed suburban, urban, wooded parkway and off-road,
hard-packed gravel and clay trail, and I have to say the Rosco feels great.
I can cruise at a comfortable pace easily and pick up the pace and/or
charge up a hill either by standing and holding on to the hand grips or by
leaning forward and grasping the outer front segment of the Choco bars
where they begin to curve back - this is actually a very comfortable
position. When I came home I wrapped this forward segment of the bars with
some leftover leather bar tape I had as I think I'll spend a good bit of
time up there.

Rosco has the Rivendell magic feel to it. What is that? It's the feeling
that the bike goes where you want it, there's no fighting or disagreement,
no frustration. It's cruises easily and synchronizes with and rewards extra
effort when you want to pickup the pace. Here comes the blasphemy: I didn't
get that feeling from my Romulus or my Hilsen, as such they're no longer
with me, but I do get that feeling from my Hillborne. I guess interestingly
enough, from a sizing perspective, I'm technically on the small side for
the Hillborne and Rosco using Riv sizing guides - I'm in range, but the
bottom end of the range, whereas I was in the middle or high end of the
sizing range for the Hilsen and the Romulus. My Hillborne is a 60 and the
Rosco is a 55.5 though the TT is super long at 66cm, where the Hilsen was a
58cm and the Rom I think was a 57.

I'm not sure how I feel about taking a non-drop bar bike out for all day
rides, long distance or whatever, as I really love the multiple hand
positions I get from my Nitto Noodles, and, I'm not sure how much I'll like
sitting up a bit taller/straighter, though I guess the forward position on
the Choco bars can let me stretch out, but I may trade out the B17n for my
other favorite saddle, a Cambium C17 carved for the slightly wider sit bone
area.

What's next for Rosco? I'm going to commute on him this week, with my
commuting load settled in the hub area bags, vs. my standard
saddle-attached Carradice camper, so I'll get to test it out with more
weight on the front. I'll also probably put a Nitto rack on the back and
take it for an s24o on the C&O in a few weeks. I'm also going to get a more
appropriate set of wheels, with a generator for the front - probably will
run up to Gravel & Grind in Frederick and have James lace something up.

The Compass tires are great. They feel similar to the 700x38 Barlow Pass
tires I run on the Hillborne, and that similar feeling is amazing. If
you're not running the largest Compass tires your bike will handle, you're
really doing yourself a disservice.

Here's a pic and a link to a folder with more pics from yesterday and today:




https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6fp2AmAnZgmLTBDRURJQUQyM0U

Jeff
Silver Spring, MD

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Re: [RBW] Re: OT PSA: Ibex merino shirts at Sierra Trading Post

Thanks, Shawn, for that detailed and very useful information. Good to know
that they are not delicate.

I'll wait until next year -- perhaps post Christmas sales? -- but for now
I've splurged more than I should have on other things.

But my nice cotton Ts, which serve as non-cycling base layers in winter
(under wool, of course) and as top layers in hot weather are fraying and
wearing thin after 10 years or so, and since I've found wool so useful
summer and winter for cycling tops, I thought that wool might be useful for
non-cycling tops as well. My brother seems to live in lightweight wool Ts.
(I've got a full wardrobe of ss and ls wool cycling jerseys, and wear them
on all but the hottest summer days.)

On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 9:24 PM, Shawn Granton <
urbanadventurelea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Patrick-
>
> Most of the t-shirts look to be a mid weight merino. A few of them are
> lighter weight, but these ones are 87% wool/13% nylon. The nylon will help
> with durability issues, and it's a low enough percentage to not adversely
> affect the benefits of the wool.
>
> I've had a few Ibex tops since the dawn of this decade. One I just retired
> because it was well past worn, though I used it as an undershirt, and it
> was baselayer weight anyway. Another t-shirt is still going strong, though
> it's been darned a bit (mostly due to other unrelated things) so it's also
> an undershirt. My polo from that era has a few holes but still is good. So
> I've gotten at least six years out of those shirts! Pretty good I think.
>
> I tend to like the Ibex shirts vs Icebreaker as they seem a bit more
> durable and have a less "sporty" fit than the Icebreaker stuff. Ibex is
> also made (mostly) in the US, though I did see one of the shirts in the STP
> sale is made in Canada. (Close enough! ;-) ) Icebreaker's stuff is made
> "overseas". Icebreaker stuff tends to be cheaper than Ibex, and there's
> always a few things on STP for a low price. And if you are in Portland,
> there's an annual warehouse sale where things can be ridiculously cheap.
>
> So I think if you can get a few Ibex shirts, they'll last you a bit. Of
> course, washing the merino in cold water gentle cycle with a nice gentle
> detergent like Kookaburra and air drying these garments help make them last.
>
> My two cents,
> Shawn
>
>
>
> No one actually looks at email signatures anymore, but here goes nothing:
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>
>
> On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 5:49 PM, Patrick Moore 
> wrote:
>
>> Are those the very lightweight wool Ts? If so, how durable are they --
>> that is, how well do they stand up to snagging and rubbing, and are they,
>> after 12 months of regular wear, still free of snags, rips, and holes?
>>
>> I've blown my cycling budget for 2016 -- just bought 2 pr of the 3/4 El
>> Fitos at 2/3 off -- but for 2017, I wonder if a six pack of those Ts might
>> not be what I need to replace my aging cotton Ts and polo shirts.
>>
>> I ordered the Large El Fitos. The Rapha Randonee shorts in M are more
>> than adequate, but the Ibex fit guide says the that El Fitos are tight, and
>> I like my cycling bottoms roomy. We'll see.
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 6:39 PM, RoadieRyan  wrote:
>>
>>> sweet deal for Merino T's thanks for the PSA order in
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 27, 2016 at 5:39:40 PM UTC-7, Shawn Granton wrote:

 Hello folks-


 Just saw that Sierra Trading Post has gotten in A BUNCH of merino wool
 t-shirts from Ibex. I just ordered a few! The supplies are pretty limited,
 so doubt they'd last more than a few days. And most of them are about $40,
 though the 87% wool/13% nylon shirt is just $25!


 See what they have here:
 http://www.sierratradingpost.com/s~ibex-wool-shirt/?perPage=24



 And, this coupon will get you 20% off those prices and free shipping
 over $50. Expires midnight Mountain time tonight: KDM8637W


 This one will get you 25% off plus free shipping over $100. Also
 expires midnight tonight. KAW6880P


 Since Riv is out of wool t-shirts, this is a great way to pick up some
 nice made in the USA merino tops!


 yours,
 Shawn

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[RBW] Re: Speaking of Fenders

2016-10-30 Thread BSWP

My new Riv-ish frame is going to sport Mafac RAIDs, with brazed posts on 
forks and seatstays, and I'll be running Compass 700c x 44mm tires, 
planning to use 52mm VO Zepplelins. I think I can live with the nominal 8mm 
over-coverage from that combo. I'll report back with impressions and 
images, but from all the Flickr pictures I've managed to find, those RAIDs 
can swallow quite wide tires and fenders.

- Andrew, Berkeley

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Re: [RBW] Re: Speaking of Fenders

2016-10-30 Thread René Sterental

I have the Compass version on my custom, which I believe is based on those.
Plenty of allowance for 58mm Honjo fenders.

René

On Sunday, October 30, 2016, BSWP  wrote:

> My new Riv-ish frame is going to sport Mafac RAIDs, with brazed posts on
> forks and seatstays, and I'll be running Compass 700c x 44mm tires,
> planning to use 52mm VO Zepplelins. I think I can live with the nominal 8mm
> over-coverage from that combo. I'll report back with impressions and
> images, but from all the Flickr pictures I've managed to find, those RAIDs
> can swallow quite wide tires and fenders.
>
> - Andrew, Berkeley
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[RBW] Rosco Bubbe v2 ride report

2016-10-30 Thread Daniel Jackson

Wow. Beautiful bike. Thank you for sharing as I've been curious about this 
Rosco iteration. 

What's your PBH? 

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[RBW] Re: Rosco Bubbe v2 ride report

My PBH is 90-ish

On Sunday, October 30, 2016, Daniel Jackson 
wrote:

> Wow. Beautiful bike. Thank you for sharing as I've been curious about this
> Rosco iteration.
>
> What's your PBH?
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[RBW] Re: Rosco Bubbe v2 ride report

2016-10-30 Thread Eric Karnes

Very nice! How do the Snoqualmie Pass tires work on Open Pro rims? I know 
such a thin rim isn't ideal, but was there any squirrellyness? I have also 
have a pair of parts bin Open Pro wheels on my Hilsen and would like to get 
some of the wider, supple Compass tires eventually.

Eric

On Sunday, October 30, 2016 at 2:13:32 PM UTC-4, Jeff wrote:
>
> After finalizing the build of my new Rosco yesterday, I was able to get 
> out for more than a ride around the block today - I got ~15 miles in 
> cruising around the neighborhood, through potholed downtown Silver Spring, 
> through a wooded parkway and on some unpaved bike trails. 
>
> First, build details:
> Wheels: Parts bin Ultegra/Open Pro
> Tires: Compass Snoqualmie Pass 700x44
> Fenders: Cream Longboard
> Cranks: Shimano Deore
> FD/RD: Shimano
> Stem: Nitto Tecnomic ~130mm
> Handlebars: Nitto/Riv Choco Norm
> Brakes: Silver
> Seatpost: 26.8 stock (Kalloy?)
> Saddle: Brooks B17n hand-carved
> Shifters: Silver on Paul Thumbies
> Racks: Nitto/Riv Hub Area Rack, Mark's Rack
> Chain: nothing special, SRAM something, but to note, brand-new standard 
> chain needed a few extra links from surplus chain for me to feel it was a 
> decent length to run down the long chainstays and to route through the long 
> cage RD.
>
> Everything came out of my parts bin except for the handlebar and tires, 
> and most had been installed on my since passed on Hilsen.
>
> I've mentioned that I'm either a drop bar guy or otherwise stretched-out 
> riding position guy. This is my first pulled back bar bike since I carted 
> the kids around on a Surly Big Dummy that was fitted with Albatross bars 
> some years ago. I've flirted with mustache and Albastache bars since, and 
> I've never been able to get them to work for more than very short rides. 
> So, having a bike that pretty much requires this type of bar was a bit 
> concerning.
>
> My initial short test ride had me feeling like the front end was 
> squirrely, but I think I just had the bars too low - I bumped 'em up a tiny 
> bit and that sensation went away.
>
> I rambled through mixed suburban, urban, wooded parkway and off-road, 
> hard-packed gravel and clay trail, and I have to say the Rosco feels great. 
> I can cruise at a comfortable pace easily and pick up the pace and/or 
> charge up a hill either by standing and holding on to the hand grips or by 
> leaning forward and grasping the outer front segment of the Choco bars 
> where they begin to curve back - this is actually a very comfortable 
> position. When I came home I wrapped this forward segment of the bars with 
> some leftover leather bar tape I had as I think I'll spend a good bit of 
> time up there.
>
> Rosco has the Rivendell magic feel to it. What is that? It's the feeling 
> that the bike goes where you want it, there's no fighting or disagreement, 
> no frustration. It's cruises easily and synchronizes with and rewards extra 
> effort when you want to pickup the pace. Here comes the blasphemy: I didn't 
> get that feeling from my Romulus or my Hilsen, as such they're no longer 
> with me, but I do get that feeling from my Hillborne. I guess interestingly 
> enough, from a sizing perspective, I'm technically on the small side for 
> the Hillborne and Rosco using Riv sizing guides - I'm in range, but the 
> bottom end of the range, whereas I was in the middle or high end of the 
> sizing range for the Hilsen and the Romulus. My Hillborne is a 60 and the 
> Rosco is a 55.5 though the TT is super long at 66cm, where the Hilsen was a 
> 58cm and the Rom I think was a 57.
>
> I'm not sure how I feel about taking a non-drop bar bike out for all day 
> rides, long distance or whatever, as I really love the multiple hand 
> positions I get from my Nitto Noodles, and, I'm not sure how much I'll like 
> sitting up a bit taller/straighter, though I guess the forward position on 
> the Choco bars can let me stretch out, but I may trade out the B17n for my 
> other favorite saddle, a Cambium C17 carved for the slightly wider sit bone 
> area.
>
> What's next for Rosco? I'm going to commute on him this week, with my 
> commuting load settled in the hub area bags, vs. my standard 
> saddle-attached Carradice camper, so I'll get to test it out with more 
> weight on the front. I'll also probably put a Nitto rack on the back and 
> take it for an s24o on the C&O in a few weeks. I'm also going to get a more 
> appropriate set of wheels, with a generator for the front - probably will 
> run up to Gravel & Grind in Frederick and have James lace something up. 
>
> The Compass tires are great. They feel similar to the 700x38 Barlow Pass 
> tires I run on the Hillborne, and that similar feeling is amazing. If 
> you're not running the largest Compass tires your bike will handle, you're 
> really doing yourself a disservice. 
>
> Here's a pic and a link to a folder with more pics from yesterday and 
> today:
>
>
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6fp2AmAnZgmLTBDRURJQUQyM0U

Re: [RBW] New Hilsen in the Wissahickon

2016-10-30 Thread Eric Karnes

Thanks all!

On Saturday, October 29, 2016 at 11:57:45 PM UTC-4, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> Gorgeous but and a great day to be out on the trail!  Congrats on the new 
> bike.

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[RBW] Re: In search of trade: Long shot, at that - 56cm Hillborne for something that fits me better

2016-10-30 Thread Belopsky

This is actually on the chopping block. WInter's coming, I will commute on 
my fat bike, unless I sell it and use the Riv w fatty tires. Reply 
privately if you are interseted.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco v2 has landed!

2016-10-30 Thread Steve Palincsar




On 10/30/2016 01:32 PM, Jeff Lesperance wrote:
The tires I have on it now are Compass Snoqualmie Pass, which are 
labeled at 700x44, and though I haven't measured them yet, I suspect 
they're closer to 40mm as installed on the narrow-ish Open Pro rims I 
have for now. So the answer is they will fit Snoqualmie Pass and 
fenders, though there are a few tight spots that I'm not concerned 
about, but if the tires stretch or I swap to a wider rim, which I 
intend to do, I may have to reconsider the fender solution. I've split 
fenders previously to get a bit more clearance under brakes, so I may 
go that route if need be.


Wow!  Mavic recommends the Open Pro for tires 19 to 28mm in width. 
You're really stretching the envelope by going up to 40mm.I guess 
the question to ask now is, "What could possibly go wrong?" (No, seriously)



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[RBW] Re: Rosco v2 has landed!

They feel fine on the road - I guess I'm running them at a slightly higher
psi than I usually run my Compass tires - not squirrelly or floppy taking
hard corners. Do you think it's far out of range of what mountain bikers
used to ride on? FWIW these Open Pros have been shod with 32's and 35's for
a few years with no issue and these Compass tires are measuring close to
40mm.

On Sunday, October 30, 2016, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

>
>
> On 10/30/2016 01:32 PM, Jeff Lesperance wrote:
>
>> The tires I have on it now are Compass Snoqualmie Pass, which are labeled
>> at 700x44, and though I haven't measured them yet, I suspect they're closer
>> to 40mm as installed on the narrow-ish Open Pro rims I have for now. So the
>> answer is they will fit Snoqualmie Pass and fenders, though there are a few
>> tight spots that I'm not concerned about, but if the tires stretch or I
>> swap to a wider rim, which I intend to do, I may have to reconsider the
>> fender solution. I've split fenders previously to get a bit more clearance
>> under brakes, so I may go that route if need be.
>>
>
> Wow!  Mavic recommends the Open Pro for tires 19 to 28mm in width. You're
> really stretching the envelope by going up to 40mm.I guess the question
> to ask now is, "What could possibly go wrong?" (No, seriously)
>
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[RBW] FS: Compass Chinook Pass 700 x 28c tires

Basically new.

Only ridden about 250 miles.

Teensy dirt on sidewalls from a light rain ride.

95$ shipped CONUS.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Speedplay Frogs with cleats $75 shipped CONUS

Bump 65$ shipped.
Paypal please.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Windstopper tight

bump 40$ shipped conus.
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[RBW] Re: FS: Compass Chinook Pass 700 x 28c tires

Forgot to mention it is for a pair.
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[RBW] Re: FS: Compass Chinook Pass 700 x 28c tires

Also forgot to mention standard casing/tan sidewalls.

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[RBW] Re: Rosco v2 has landed!

2016-10-30 Thread Eric Karnes

i know a few cyclocross riders that love open pro rims and have been 
running them with 35mm tires for years. good to hear they aren't too 
squirrelly even with wider tires.

On Sunday, October 30, 2016 at 6:47:43 PM UTC-4, Jeff wrote:
>
> They feel fine on the road - I guess I'm running them at a slightly higher 
> psi than I usually run my Compass tires - not squirrelly or floppy taking 
> hard corners. Do you think it's far out of range of what mountain bikers 
> used to ride on? FWIW these Open Pros have been shod with 32's and 35's for 
> a few years with no issue and these Compass tires are measuring close to 
> 40mm.
>
> On Sunday, October 30, 2016, Steve Palincsar  > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 10/30/2016 01:32 PM, Jeff Lesperance wrote:
>>
>>> The tires I have on it now are Compass Snoqualmie Pass, which are 
>>> labeled at 700x44, and though I haven't measured them yet, I suspect 
>>> they're closer to 40mm as installed on the narrow-ish Open Pro rims I have 
>>> for now. So the answer is they will fit Snoqualmie Pass and fenders, though 
>>> there are a few tight spots that I'm not concerned about, but if the tires 
>>> stretch or I swap to a wider rim, which I intend to do, I may have to 
>>> reconsider the fender solution. I've split fenders previously to get a bit 
>>> more clearance under brakes, so I may go that route if need be.
>>>
>>
>> Wow!  Mavic recommends the Open Pro for tires 19 to 28mm in width. You're 
>> really stretching the envelope by going up to 40mm.I guess the question 
>> to ask now is, "What could possibly go wrong?" (No, seriously)
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Windstopper tight

That's not academic; I may be interested for $40, if it fits and if it is
the right weight.

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> Photo? Size?
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> On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 5:28 PM, lum gim fong 
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Windstopper tight

Photo? Size?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco v2 has landed!

2016-10-30 Thread Eric Daume

I ran 3" Plus tires on a 19mm inner width rim for a while
,
so 40mm tires on an Open Pro strikes me as no big issue.

On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 6:27 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

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>
> On 10/30/2016 01:32 PM, Jeff Lesperance wrote:
>
>> The tires I have on it now are Compass Snoqualmie Pass, which are labeled
>> at 700x44, and though I haven't measured them yet, I suspect they're closer
>> to 40mm as installed on the narrow-ish Open Pro rims I have for now. So the
>> answer is they will fit Snoqualmie Pass and fenders, though there are a few
>> tight spots that I'm not concerned about, but if the tires stretch or I
>> swap to a wider rim, which I intend to do, I may have to reconsider the
>> fender solution. I've split fenders previously to get a bit more clearance
>> under brakes, so I may go that route if need be.
>>
>
> Wow!  Mavic recommends the Open Pro for tires 19 to 28mm in width. You're
> really stretching the envelope by going up to 40mm.I guess the question
> to ask now is, "What could possibly go wrong?" (No, seriously)
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco v2 has landed!

Be serene, acushla. Open Pros are perfectly wide enough for 40 mm tires.
Breathe deeply in relief and gratitude.

I rode thousands of miles with 2" tires on much narrower rims -- 19 mm
outside to outside, with nary a fall or slip. I rode 65mm actual Big Apples
on 24 mm outside to outside rims, at sub 15 psi. Absolutely not a problem,
apart from the funny squirmy feel on pavement -- but then, I'd just pump
them to a hard 20/25, and all would be well.

On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

>
>
> On 10/30/2016 01:32 PM, Jeff Lesperance wrote:
>
>> The tires I have on it now are Compass Snoqualmie Pass, which are labeled
>> at 700x44, and though I haven't measured them yet, I suspect they're closer
>> to 40mm as installed on the narrow-ish Open Pro rims I have for now. So the
>> answer is they will fit Snoqualmie Pass and fenders, though there are a few
>> tight spots that I'm not concerned about, but if the tires stretch or I
>> swap to a wider rim, which I intend to do, I may have to reconsider the
>> fender solution. I've split fenders previously to get a bit more clearance
>> under brakes, so I may go that route if need be.
>>
>
> Wow!  Mavic recommends the Open Pro for tires 19 to 28mm in width. You're
> really stretching the envelope by going up to 40mm.I guess the question
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco v2 has landed!

Even *I* step back in surprise at this one!

On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 6:44 PM, Eric Daume  wrote:

> I ran 3" Plus tires on a 19mm inner width rim for a while
> ,
> so 40mm tires on an Open Pro strikes me as no big issue.
>
> On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 6:27 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
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>>
>>
>> On 10/30/2016 01:32 PM, Jeff Lesperance wrote:
>>
>>> The tires I have on it now are Compass Snoqualmie Pass, which are
>>> labeled at 700x44, and though I haven't measured them yet, I suspect
>>> they're closer to 40mm as installed on the narrow-ish Open Pro rims I have
>>> for now. So the answer is they will fit Snoqualmie Pass and fenders, though
>>> there are a few tight spots that I'm not concerned about, but if the tires
>>> stretch or I swap to a wider rim, which I intend to do, I may have to
>>> reconsider the fender solution. I've split fenders previously to get a bit
>>> more clearance under brakes, so I may go that route if need be.
>>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Windstopper tight

Its all in the original post above.

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Windstopper tight

Above what? I don't see it.

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Windstopper tight

Never mind.

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[RBW] Fork crowns on Quickbeam & Simple One - Questions

2016-10-30 Thread iamkeith

Is anybody well versed or familiar with the crowns used on these two bikes? 
 Particularly regarding the differences between them, and their relative 
tire clearances?

The  recent Reader, #44, included a description of Riv's various, current 
 fork crowns (RC-02  through the new, Appaloosa-style RC-06) but it doesn't 
really answer my question. 

I have a first-run QB, the crown of which looks like the one at the 
following link (and also matches my Rambouillet).  But it isn't even shown 
in the Reader article.  Perhaps it's a RC-01?  Or is it the RC-02, which is 
listed as the Roadeo crown and therefore the narrowest possible option? :

original QB crown 


Meanwhile, later QBs and, presumably S.O.s had crowns that looked like the 
one at the following link.  It's hard to tell from photos whether this is 
an RC03 or an RC04, though I'm guessing the former.  Both have the little 
scroll detail with three dots above:

Later Quickbeam crown 


My main question is whether or not the later QB/SO crowns had significantly 
more clearance than the earlier ones.  My reason for asking is because the 
Rosco #5 is said to be built around a surplus Quickbeam / Simple One fork, 
and I'm trying to figure out what that means in terms of real world tire 
clearance.  It is the later of the two above styles, and the bike's listed 
as having a max tire clearance of 40mm (though I suspect that's a typo and 
it really meant to say 44 or 45). But is this the conservative dimension 
Riv is required to cite as a manufacturer, or does it jive with what QB/SO 
owners have been able to do?

Though I'm at the upper end of the fit spectrum, #5 is the first Rosco 
that's looked like it will fit me, but I'm trying to figure out if it's 
something I'd use.  My QB  is the most comfortable bike I own, but I rarely 
ride it precisely because it is limited to such narrow tires.   If  #5 
doesn't improve on that significantly, then it's likely just too much 
overlap and redundancy.  #5 also shares the same, steepish 72 seat tube / 
72.5 headtube angles with the QB (which I suppose is why they describe it 
as "roadish"), has horizontal dropouts, and is bright green. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Windstopper tight

 Hi Patrick!
it's about 14 to 15 inches across the elastic waist band when it's laying flat 
and not stretched.

Top of waistband to crotch is approximately 12 inches.

Inseam from that point down to the ankle cuff is approximately 30 inches.

>From  the elastic waist band top all the way down tge side of the tight to the 
>bottom of the ankle cough is approximately 43 inches.

Pics and other info in the original post above.

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Windstopper tight

Thanks, Lum. Too small for me, alas.

I don't see any "above" with photo or earlier description. I'm using gmail,
non-digest. Can anyone explain the discrepancies?

On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 7:34 PM, lum gim fong  wrote:

>  Hi Patrick!
> it's about 14 to 15 inches across the elastic waist band when it's laying
> flat and not stretched.
>
> Top of waistband to crotch is approximately 12 inches.
>
> Inseam from that point down to the ankle cuff is approximately 30 inches.
>
> From  the elastic waist band top all the way down tge side of the tight to
> the bottom of the ankle cough is approximately 43 inches.
>
> Pics and other info in the original post above.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco v2 has landed!

2016-10-30 Thread Steve Palincsar

Not quite the answer I was in search of. I forget what the issue is,
exactly, but there's something to do with sidewalls that's a concern if
not outright hazard when you're so far beyond the design
recommendation. But, your answer has inspired me to consult the Great
Oracle Google, and here's what I found:

http://www.bikerumor.com/2016/08/12/tech-story-match-bicycle-tire-width-rim-width-best-results/

/"If the tire is too wide for a given rim, you get more tire roll due to
the larger casing size and higher aspect ratio of the tire, which
together create more leverage on the tire allowing the casing to
collapse and roll over the rim during hard cornering."

I imagine this is exacerbated by low tire pressures. It turns out that
the thing I was vaguely remembering as a problem is actually an artifact
of the exact opposite: "/The basics are that if you run a rim that is
too wide for a particular tire you have a lot more issues with tire and
rim damage, as the rim is much more likely to bottom out on lateral rock
impacts causing tire or rim damage."/

On 10/30/2016 08:55 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
Be serene, acushla. Open Pros are perfectly wide enough for 40 mm
tires. Breathe deeply in relief and gratitude.

I rode thousands of miles with 2" tires on much narrower rims -- 19 mm
outside to outside, with nary a fall or slip. I rode 65mm actual Big
Apples on 24 mm outside to outside rims, at sub 15 psi. Absolutely not
a problem, apart from the funny squirmy feel on pavement -- but then,
I'd just pump them to a hard 20/25, and all would be well.

On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Steve Palincsar > wrote:

On 10/30/2016 01:32 PM, Jeff Lesperance wrote:

The tires I have on it now are Compass Snoqualmie Pass, which
are labeled at 700x44, and though I haven't measured them yet,
I suspect they're closer to 40mm as installed on the
narrow-ish Open Pro rims I have for now. So the answer is they
will fit Snoqualmie Pass and fenders, though there are a few
tight spots that I'm not concerned about, but if the tires
stretch or I swap to a wider rim, which I intend to do, I may
have to reconsider the fender solution. I've split fenders
previously to get a bit more clearance under brakes, so I may
go that route if need be.

Wow! Mavic recommends the Open Pro for tires 19 to 28mm in width.
You're really stretching the envelope by going up to 40mm.I
guess the question to ask now is, "What could possibly go wrong?"
(No, seriously)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco v2 has landed!

You can add to your list of possible and theoretical problems when using
too wide a tire on too narrow a rim, that there is at some (not known to
me) point the theoretical danger that the overfat tire may overpower the
rim wall and break it. But at 20 psi, I don't think -- "think" -- that this
is a problem.

IIRC, Jan discussed this in BQ somewhere back when.Can others add to the
answer?

Interesting aside: I used the 50 mm (labeled) F Freds on 44 mm Sno Cat
rims; ok, not bad; they measured perhaps 52 and had a flattish profile.

I swapped the same tires to 35 mm Velocity Blunt SS's, and the tires (now
51 actual) had a much nicer, rounded profile that (at least in imagination)
cornered more nicely. Make of this what you will. Me, I make that 50 mm
tires play 'specially nice with 35 mm rims.

On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 8:02 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> Not quite the answer I was in search of.  I forget what the issue is,
> exactly, but there's something to do with sidewalls that's a concern if not
> outright hazard when you're so far beyond the design recommendation.  But,
> your answer has inspired me to consult the Great Oracle Google, and here's
> what I found:
>
> http://www.bikerumor.com/2016/08/12/tech-story-match-
> bicycle-tire-width-rim-width-best-results/
>
>
> *"If the tire is too wide for a given rim, you get more tire roll due to
> the larger casing size and higher aspect ratio of the tire, which together
> create more leverage on the tire allowing the casing to collapse and roll
> over the rim during hard cornering."   *
>
> I imagine this is exacerbated by low tire pressures.   It turns out that
> the thing I was vaguely remembering as a problem is actually an artifact of
> the exact opposite: "*The basics are that if you run a rim that is too
> wide for a particular tire you have a lot more issues with tire and rim
> damage, as the rim is much more likely to bottom out on lateral rock
> impacts causing tire or rim damage."*
>
> On 10/30/2016 08:55 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Be serene, acushla. Open Pros are perfectly wide enough for 40 mm tires.
> Breathe deeply in relief and gratitude.
>
> I rode thousands of miles with 2" tires on much narrower rims -- 19 mm
> outside to outside, with nary a fall or slip. I rode 65mm actual Big Apples
> on 24 mm outside to outside rims, at sub 15 psi. Absolutely not a problem,
> apart from the funny squirmy feel on pavement -- but then, I'd just pump
> them to a hard 20/25, and all would be well.
>
> On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 10/30/2016 01:32 PM, Jeff Lesperance wrote:
>>
>>> The tires I have on it now are Compass Snoqualmie Pass, which are
>>> labeled at 700x44, and though I haven't measured them yet, I suspect
>>> they're closer to 40mm as installed on the narrow-ish Open Pro rims I have
>>> for now. So the answer is they will fit Snoqualmie Pass and fenders, though
>>> there are a few tight spots that I'm not concerned about, but if the tires
>>> stretch or I swap to a wider rim, which I intend to do, I may have to
>>> reconsider the fender solution. I've split fenders previously to get a bit
>>> more clearance under brakes, so I may go that route if need be.
>>>
>>
>> Wow!  Mavic recommends the Open Pro for tires 19 to 28mm in width. You're
>> really stretching the envelope by going up to 40mm.I guess the question
>> to ask now is, "What could possibly go wrong?" (No, seriously)
>>
>>
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[RBW] FS: Nitto Pearl Stem - 90mm 26.0 Clamp

2016-10-30 Thread Michael Ullmer

Cross post from the i-BOB list:

I bought this for my latest build, but ended up needing a slightly longer 
quill. Shows one mark on the top of the clamp, otherwise very shiny.

$40 shipped CONUS

Pics Here: https://goo.gl/photos/dmLWo8yAxpf7Bfhb7

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Windstopper tight

 Try here and scroll: 
https://www.flickr.com/gp/70237737@N00/Rr40L1

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