[RBW] Re: Can a Blue Sam stand up to these kinds of dirt trails?

[Manuel Acosta]

Agreed.

You'll be fine as long as you know you're limits and take in slow if you 
need to

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Re: [RBW] Re: Local Rivendell Dealer suggestions for DELMARVA area?

[islaysteve]

The latest Blug has a funky map of the new dealers' locations, and a link to 
the updated dealers page. Very interesting.  Gravel & Grind is there of course. 
 I hope to visit there soon; it's near our favorite breakfast (and lunch 
place), Family Meal.  The swap meet in Sept sounds like fun.

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[RBW] D2R2 2015

[alford]

I'll be there on my blue Sam, riding the 100km route. 

John

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[RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

[Will]

This has been an interesting discussion. 

I am wondering if Riv's preferences for large seat bags exerabates the 
kickstand problems. Large seat bags put cargo weight high and slightly 
behind the kickstand strut (when parked), so that the kickstand strut 
doesn't directly support the weight. Instead, the frame bears the weight 
and that stresses the kickstand plate rather than the strut-to-ground 
support plan. 

I use a low rail rack and panniers that place cargo weight over the rear 
axle. I do not expect to have kickstand problems. 

On Friday, August 14, 2015 at 4:44:00 PM UTC-5, drew wrote:
>
> so, i havent been amazingly satisfied with my pletscher dbl leg stand. it 
> just doesnt seem that stable with a load and it tends to make creaking 
> noises that are not reassuring.  i was at a bike shop a few months ago, and 
> saw the same kickstand with a sticker that said "30lb weight limit" (it was 
> in kg, but i did the math). i asked the bike shop guy and he seemed to have 
> no idea if that was a legitimate statement, and i can find no weight limit 
> listed anywhere online. its possible that that tainted my view of the 
> kickstand's sturdiness. 
>
> back to real time. i was gonna another black version, since i at least 
> know what im getting with the pletscher, and the others are mysterious to 
> me. and i read this on the rivendell site "*NOTE: Don't bolt these on to 
> Riv kickstand plates, those are for single leggers only. If you want to use 
> a double, use the sandwich and run the bolt through the plate.**"*
>
> now, i dont really know what that means. does it mean that you are still 
> supposed to use the top plate even with a kickstand plate? that would seem 
> to defeat the purpose of a kickstand plate, since the top part cant fit 
> between the chainstays and would therefore have to go on top.  also, the 
> product page with that warning,  HERE 
>  , clearly shows it bolted 
> directly to the kickstand plate. 
>
> anyway, maybe im misreading it. maybe you are supposed to put the plate on 
> top and run a really long bolt through pletscher plate>air>kickstand 
> plate>kickstand? seems weird to me.
>
> more to the point, is anyone using a double leg kickstand that they really 
> like for touring with loads and standing up on not always super smooth/flat 
> ground. 
>
>

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[RBW] WTT/WTB: VO Touring pedlas and VO Half Clips

[Brian Campbell]

 I wanted to try the VO touring pedals with some VO half clips if anybody 
has either to trade or sell. Thanks!

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[RBW] Wheelbuilding Questions - Even tension

[Toby Whitfield]

I just built a new set of wheels, which is the first time in a while for me. I 
built a couple a number of years ago, but from old parts as an experiment, and 
never really used the wheels, which is all to say I am pretty new at this. 

My question is about tension evenness.  I got the wheels up to a pretty high 
tension, and they are round and true.

However, there is some variation in tone when I pluck the spokes. How good is 
good enough? If all spokes have pretty good tension, how much variability is 
acceptable? I only have tone to guide me. Is a semi-tone or whole tone (for the 
musically inclined) of variability ok? 

In some ways, I feel like having good tension and a true wheel should be good 
enough, and I notice that sometimes when I push for more perfection in one 
area, it can cascade to everything else getting  worse.

For some more background on the build, I used Jobst Brandt's book and Sheldon's 
web page to guide me. It is 650b, 36 spoke, Velocity A23 with a Shimano XT 
FH-732 rear, and SP SV-8 in the front. I used Sapim DB spokes (with 14-15-14 
for everything except NDS rear which is 14-17-14).

Thanks!
Toby 
Toronto 

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[RBW] Wheelbuilding Questions - Even tension

[Toby Whitfield]

Sorry for the double post and slightly OT post here. I meant to post this to 
the ibob list, but put it here instead. Sorry for clogging up your inboxes. If 
you have anything to add, and are on both lists, I think the ibob list would be 
better, but happy for all advice here too!

Thanks, and with my apologies.
Toby

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[RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

[Kieran J]

What about a double-legger for strictly front-loading, i.e., on a porteur?

If the main carrying weight of the bike is on the front, and the front 
wheel is always supporting it by virtue of never leaving the ground, would 
a plate-mounted kickstand that elevates the rear wheel and only supports 
the bike's weight (or a good chunk of it) be a more suitable application of 
the design?

KJ

On Monday, August 17, 2015 at 9:15:44 AM UTC-4, Will wrote:
>
> This has been an interesting discussion. 
>
> I am wondering if Riv's preferences for large seat bags exerabates the 
> kickstand problems. 
>

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RE: [RBW] Wheelbuilding Questions - Even tension

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

I have a spoke tension meter from Park 
(http://www.jensonusa.com/!5ZNVsr7o541FBdQt1daMLg!/Park-Tool-TM-1-Spoke-Tension-Meter?utm_source=FRGL&utm_medium=organic&gclid=CKymw4KpsMcCFQUMaQodbTQKYw
 ), and the instructions say that you should measure the tension of all spokes 
on one side, average them, and then further adjust any spoke that is more than 
20% higher or lower than the average -- that is, adjust the tension of that 
spoke toward the average until you get within the 20% range.

Working by sound?  I don't know, and you should probably disregard the rest of 
this message, because it's just my guesses and inferences based on the usual 
grossly incomplete on-line research.  But: 

Obviously, all other things being equal (that is, spoke length and weight, 
which should remain constant or close to constant in a wheel -- I suppose 
there's a little rim deflection when you change spoke tension, but I assume it 
would be trivial), the pitch (what you describe as the tone) increases with 
increased spoke tension.  But online calculators that give the required tension 
for any given note/frequency suggest that the relationship between pitch and 
tension is not linear.  That is, to increase the pitch by an octave -- which 
requires doubling the frequency of the note -- while holding spoke/string 
length and weight constant, you have to more than double the tension.  So I 
think it would be difficult for me to "hear" whether a spoke is within that 20% 
range, although I bet more experienced wheelbuilders can do it with ease. 

FWIW, the Park tensiometer has been, for me, one of the most useful tools I've 
purchased, even given its ~$70 price tag.  I'm not a very experienced 
wheelbuilder (I've probably built fewer than 30 wheels), but the relatively 
constant tension that I can assure using the tensiometer, together with the 
round and true assurance that comes from a good truing stand, gives me a lot of 
comfort that my wheels are sound.

-Original Message-
From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Toby Whitfield
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 9:31 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Wheelbuilding Questions - Even tension

I just built a new set of wheels, which is the first time in a while for me. I 
built a couple a number of years ago, but from old parts as an experiment, and 
never really used the wheels, which is all to say I am pretty new at this. 

My question is about tension evenness.  I got the wheels up to a pretty high 
tension, and they are round and true.

However, there is some variation in tone when I pluck the spokes. How good is 
good enough? If all spokes have pretty good tension, how much variability is 
acceptable? I only have tone to guide me. Is a semi-tone or whole tone (for the 
musically inclined) of variability ok? 

In some ways, I feel like having good tension and a true wheel should be good 
enough, and I notice that sometimes when I push for more perfection in one 
area, it can cascade to everything else getting  worse.

For some more background on the build, I used Jobst Brandt's book and Sheldon's 
web page to guide me. It is 650b, 36 spoke, Velocity A23 with a Shimano XT 
FH-732 rear, and SP SV-8 in the front. I used Sapim DB spokes (with 14-15-14 
for everything except NDS rear which is 14-17-14).

Thanks!
Toby 
Toronto 

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RE: [RBW] Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Which rear mount kickstand are you using?

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steven Sweedler
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2015 7:51 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

Here is a picture of my gf's LHT with a rear mount kickstand. Needless to say 
she is not using the disc brake or the spoke holder. I have had the same 
kickstand on my Thorn for two years and like it alot. Steve, Victoriaville, 
Quebec

On Sunday, August 16, 2015, 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch 
mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:
Here is a Surly LHT with a cracked chainstay right about where a kickstand 
plate on a Rivendell would be mounted.  Granted this bike does have some miles 
and has been on the road a while, but he doesn't use a kickstand and judging 
from his experience I'd say your lucky if all that happens is the kickstand 
plate deforms.  What I've derived from all this is that chainstays are subject 
to a lot more stress than we realize and are subject to failure.

https://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/page/?o=tS&page_id=432317&v=S

By the way - this is a pretty entertaining blog.  Currently he's in Austrailia 
and it's pretty boring, but if you follow from the beginning it's entertaining. 
 I think so anyway.

Matt

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[RBW] Re: Tech question: Silver bar-end pods with Dura Ace 10spd DT shifters?

[Mark Reimer]

Oddly I had a bit of a different experience. In the smallest cog, the 
shifter pointed straight at the ground, but also like you said when in the 
largest cog, it pointed nearly straight up. It's like the lever had 180 
degrees of travel. Didn't seem to be a problem for my wife though, she 
loved them much more than the brifters. 

On Friday, August 14, 2015 at 8:50:55 PM UTC-5, Dave Johnston wrote:
>
> I don't know about travel but the main issue with the silver pods is the 
> raised square is at a slightly different angle than a shimano pod. This 
> means that the end of the lever points towards the rear hub (not straight 
> down) in down position and points towards the sky in the up position. It 
> all works but isn't as ergonomic as the dogleg bend of a real bar end 
> shifter or even as even as nice as a Shimano downtube on a Shimano pod.
>
> FYI Nashbar has 10spd barcons for $50. You could probably sell your 
> downtube shifters for more.
>
> -Dave
>
>
>
> On Thursday, August 13, 2015 at 3:05:45 PM UTC-4, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>
>> So my wife has a Surly Cross Check and has asked me to change her setup 
>> from drop bars with integrated shifters/brifters to an Albatross bar with 
>> bar-ends, and a basket. Sweet!  I'm trying to do this as cheaply as 
>> possibly. I bought a used aluminum Albatross bar (which oddly is about 2cm 
>> wider than my Albatross, did they come in two widths?), used downtube Dura 
>> Ace 10-speed shifters, and a set of Silver bar-end pods. 
>>
>> My first challenge is that the Shimano spacers I have are curved to match 
>> a downtube. Riv sells flat spacers, but I need to have this ready to go by 
>> Saturday so there isn't time. I'm going to file them flat instead, which 
>> Riv apparently suggested when they were out of stock.
>>
>> Here's the proper spacer from Riv: 
>> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/sh21space.htm
>>
>> Next thing is the Silver pods have a small semi-circular raised section 
>> along one edge of the raised square which the shifters mount to. Filing 
>> that down should let the shimano spacer slide on. Either way it has to fit 
>> somehow as demonstrated in the photo of the spacer. 
>>
>> Now the real question - the reviews on Riv's site for the pods, and other 
>> online forums, seem to suggest the design of the pods limit how far the 
>> shifters can pull. Therefor a 10 speed shifter may only be able to access 
>> 9, or even 7/8 cogs. 
>>
>> Anyone try this before? 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Single Speed Sam on Blug

[Bill Lindsay]

"I know that may sound like a hyperbolic comparison, since I'm just a dude 
waiting for some pine tar soap and a John's Irish strap to his my porch, 
and those guys were like, in OUTER SPACE careening around in a broken 
vessel, but, hey, that's how it feels TO ME! Know what I mean? "

My shipment has landed in San Francisco, according to the tracking number! 
 I'm reaching my grabby hands to the west.

On Thursday, August 13, 2015 at 3:42:12 PM UTC-7, Alan Pickett wrote:
>
> Bill, i hope and believe that your goodies will arrive unscathed and in 
> this lifetime. It actually sounds like sort of fun order to track as it 
> makes it's way around the globe. From here in MD, I always obsessively 
> check my Riv orders as they go from San Ramon, Oakland, then San Pablo, 
> whereupon they disappear for a few days before popping back up in Laurel, 
> Maryland. It reminds me of Apollo 13 when they are on the dark side of the 
> moon and out of radio contact, and everybody's just holding their breath.
>
> I know that may sound like a hyperbolic comparison, since I'm just a dude 
> waiting for some pine tar soap and a John's Irish strap to his my porch, 
> and those guys were like, in OUTER SPACE careening around in a broken 
> vessel, but, hey, that's how it feels TO ME! Know what I mean? 
>
>
> Alan "who has been known to press "refresh" on the UPS tracker website an 
> unhealthy number of times"  in Silver Spring
>
> On Thursday, August 13, 2015 at 3:54:55 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> I called and asked about this rack as well when I saw it in the brochure. 
>>  I had Dave on the phone, and he said "maybe it's still around, I'll have a 
>> look".  Now I have something to razz him about, since it looks like he "had 
>> a look" and kept it for himself!  
>>
>> Speaking of the 27F, I did go ahead and order a real 27F, with detachable 
>> lowriders and all, from Alex's Cycle in Japan.  For some reason I was/am 
>> nervous/anxious about actually getting stuff from a vendor in Japan.  I 
>> don't know why I'm nervous, but I am.  I placed the order on the 8th, and 
>> now I have a tracking number and I can my order has made it to Osaka.  I 
>> ordered a 27F rack plus a pair of Ostrich DLX panniers.  
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, August 13, 2015 at 12:26:34 PM UTC-7, Alan Pickett wrote:
>>>
>>> I called and spoke to Jared about this rack, after seeing it on the blug 
>>> back on August 20th (on a cheviot) and he confirmed that it was a sample 
>>> 27f without the low rider attachments. I think it can also be seen in the 
>>> Cheviot brochure, in the page showing a touring set up. 
>>>
>>> I would buy this rack as a sturdier side-pull front than the mark's, 
>>> which I have and appreciate!
>>
>>

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[RBW] A more civilized and relaxing s24o report!

[Mark Reimer]

After last weekend's swamp adventure, it was time to dial things back a 
bit. I spent Friday building up my wife's Surly Cross Check with a few Riv 
accents - Albatross bar, bar-end shifters, green-label Jack Brown's, Brooks 
B17S, small Wald basket, even gave my best shot at a harlequin wrap with 
twine finishing! She loved it. We decided to go for an overnighter to the 
same park as the swamp, but this time stick to a proper camp site. It was 
also our second anniversary so this would be a nice way to get away 
together.

We left home and it started to rain almost immediately, so we found shelter 
in a stairwell downtown. It was over soon enough and we made our way along 
the bike paths out of the city, by which time it was blue skies and hot hot 
hot! A warm tail wind pushed us along the trail as we sipped on Radlers and 
dodged Canadian Geese on the path. 

Rolling into the park a few hours before sunset, we lay on the beach and 
went for a swim. Then it was a campfire and sleeping under the stars. 

In the morning I realized I forgot my stove burning element, and we had 
used up all the firewood the night before, so we hit up a fancy restaurant 
in the park. Felt a bit out of place in my muddy clothes, but what can you 
do. A man needs to eat. Afterwards we had a tail wind blow us back home. 
Had a wonderful time and substantially more relaxed than the swamp ride, 
hah!

More pictures on MY FLICKR.  




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RE: [RBW] Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

[Montclair BobbyB]

Aside from the convenience of a "kick" stand, I am beginning to like kick 
stands less and less. I no longer trust them (especially on a loaded bike) to 
do their job without causing undue stress on a frame.  For me, it's lean it or 
lay it down.  

I thought the "Flickstand" was a novel idea, and helped to keep a bike from 
rolling AND made it easier to lean a bike.  I still hold out hope that there's 
a slightly sturdier version somewhere out there, but I always thought it was a 
brilliant concept.  

And the basic premise for another alternative, the "Clickstand" tent-pole 
design makes sense for heavier loads less the convenience factor of a 
kickstand.  

I'm convinced there's a better mousetrap out there folks... 

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[RBW] Re: A more civilized and relaxing s24o report!

[Bill Lindsay]

APPROVE!!

On Monday, August 17, 2015 at 7:46:01 AM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> After last weekend's swamp adventure, it was time to dial things back a 
> bit. I spent Friday building up my wife's Surly Cross Check with a few Riv 
> accents - Albatross bar, bar-end shifters, green-label Jack Brown's, Brooks 
> B17S, small Wald basket, even gave my best shot at a harlequin wrap with 
> twine finishing! She loved it. We decided to go for an overnighter to the 
> same park as the swamp, but this time stick to a proper camp site. It was 
> also our second anniversary so this would be a nice way to get away 
> together.
>
> We left home and it started to rain almost immediately, so we found 
> shelter in a stairwell downtown. It was over soon enough and we made our 
> way along the bike paths out of the city, by which time it was blue skies 
> and hot hot hot! A warm tail wind pushed us along the trail as we sipped on 
> Radlers and dodged Canadian Geese on the path. 
>
> Rolling into the park a few hours before sunset, we lay on the beach and 
> went for a swim. Then it was a campfire and sleeping under the stars. 
>
> In the morning I realized I forgot my stove burning element, and we had 
> used up all the firewood the night before, so we hit up a fancy restaurant 
> in the park. Felt a bit out of place in my muddy clothes, but what can you 
> do. A man needs to eat. Afterwards we had a tail wind blow us back home. 
> Had a wonderful time and substantially more relaxed than the swamp ride, 
> hah!
>
> More pictures on MY FLICKR.  
> 
>
>
> 
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[RBW] Re: A more civilized and relaxing s24o report!

[Deacon Patrick]

Beautiful! The adventure may be quieter, but no less stirring or deep.

With abandon,
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> After last weekend's swamp adventure, it was time to dial things back a 
> bit.
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Re: [RBW] Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

[Patrick Moore]

An easy, convenient alternative to a Flickstand, which doesn't work with
fenders, is a short, stout rubber band around your front brake lever.

On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 8:52 AM, Montclair BobbyB  wrote:

> Aside from the convenience of a "kick" stand, I am beginning to like kick
> stands less and less. I no longer trust them (especially on a loaded bike)
> to do their job without causing undue stress on a frame.  For me, it's lean
> it or lay it down.
>
> I thought the "Flickstand" was a novel idea, and helped to keep a bike
> from rolling AND made it easier to lean a bike.  I still hold out hope that
> there's a slightly sturdier version somewhere out there, but I always
> thought it was a brilliant concept.
>
> And the basic premise for another alternative, the "Clickstand" tent-pole
> design makes sense for heavier loads less the convenience factor of a
> kickstand.
>
> I'm convinced there's a better mousetrap out there folks...
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Re: [RBW] Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

[Kieran J]

A 1" section of an old inner tube works too!

KJ


On Monday, August 17, 2015 at 11:00:37 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> An easy, convenient alternative to a Flickstand, which doesn't work with 
> fenders, is a short, stout rubber band around your front brake lever.
>
> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 8:52 AM, Montclair BobbyB  > wrote:
>
>> Aside from the convenience of a "kick" stand, I am beginning to like kick 
>> stands less and less. I no longer trust them (especially on a loaded bike) 
>> to do their job without causing undue stress on a frame.  For me, it's lean 
>> it or lay it down.
>>
>> I thought the "Flickstand" was a novel idea, and helped to keep a bike 
>> from rolling AND made it easier to lean a bike.  I still hold out hope that 
>> there's a slightly sturdier version somewhere out there, but I always 
>> thought it was a brilliant concept.
>>
>> And the basic premise for another alternative, the "Clickstand" tent-pole 
>> design makes sense for heavier loads less the convenience factor of a 
>> kickstand.
>>
>> I'm convinced there's a better mousetrap out there folks...
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RE: [RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Seems to me that the load on a 2-legger might be much less on a front load bike 
like the P/R than on the typical Riv bike

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Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 9:10 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

The purpose of a kickstand plate is to support a kickstand.  Evidently 
experience has shown them that it won't properly support a 2-legged kickstand.  
 Using the built-in plate is fine -- I'm pretty sure I'm using a built-in plate 
with a 2-legged kick stand on my Kogswell P/R Porteur -- but I don't use it in 
such a way as to over-stress the plate.  We've seen at least one testimonial 
(from Shawn) about what can happen when you do that and it all goes pear-shaped.

The way I see it, you have two choices: do it the way they say to do it, even 
though it doesn't seem to make much sense; or, do it the way it seems sensible 
to you and take your chances.  Or, as someone in a movie once put it, "You've 
got to ask yourself one question, 'Do I feel lucky?'  Well, do ya?"
On 08/14/2015 07:42 PM, drew wrote:
hey steve,
here are the photos i was referencing that show the kickstand attached directly 
to the plate, which is what it seems they are saying not to do... on the same 
page

[https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-y9vWhHvKBag/Vc55O0WcbvI/Aak/80Y_xm7lifA/s320/Screen%2BShot%2B2015-08-14%2Bat%2B4.24.26%2BPM.png][https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-03LdaVyO7Tk/Vc5472aalfI/Aac/ZV08-XwJ2qU/s320/Screen%2BShot%2B2015-08-14%2Bat%2B4.24.39%2BPM.png]



also, i think the photo you put in with the top plate is on a bike without a 
kickstand plate (you can see the bolt going directly into the kickstand without 
passing through a bike mounted plate. on This 
Page you can see an expanded version 
of the photo you included, and it is under a paragraph about how to attach the 
stand to a bike without a plate), and if that is the case, you would of course 
need to use the top plate. im just saying, that i dont see a picture of the 
kickstand attached in the way they seem to be saying to attach it, and i see a 
few showing it in the way it seems like they are saying NOT to attach it.



Michael, glad to hear yours is working. im probably thinking too much about 
mine, and itll probably not cause any issues. currently i have the kickstand 
attached like the above photos. since i was on the site, i was more just 
curious about what the purpose of a kickstand plate is, if you have to still 
clamp down on the chainstays. i still have the top plate, and can do it, it 
just looks better, and seems better to use the built in plate... was my thinking


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Re: [RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

[Steve Palincsar]

I would expect so.

On 08/17/2015 11:20 AM, Allingham II, Thomas J wrote:


Seems to me that the load on a 2-legger might be much less on a front 
load bike like the P/R than on the typical Riv bike


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*Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

The purpose of a kickstand plate is to support a kickstand.  Evidently 
experience has shown them that it won't properly support a 2-legged 
kickstand.   Using the built-in plate is fine -- I'm pretty sure I'm 
using a built-in plate with a 2-legged kick stand on my Kogswell P/R 
Porteur -- but I don't use it in such a way as to over-stress the 
plate.  We've seen at least one testimonial (from Shawn) about what 
can happen when you do that and it all goes pear-shaped.


The way I see it, you have two choices: do it the way they say to do 
it, even though it doesn't seem to make much sense; or, do it the way 
it seems sensible to you and take your chances. Or, as someone in a 
movie once put it, "You've got to ask yourself one question, 'Do I 
feel lucky?'  Well, do ya?"





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[RBW] Liquid Proofide?

[Fred Craven]

My new Brooks saddle arrived last week. Yesterday, I finally had the chance to 
unboxed it. It's beautiful...and the Proofide is liquid. Some of it spilled in 
the box. I'm guessing that it reached some extreme temperature on it's a 
journey to Texas on the UPS truck that it doesn't want to go back to a solid 
form on its own.

Has anyone else dealt with this? 
Anyone know how to reconstitute the Proofide?

Fred

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[RBW] Re: Liquid Proofide?

[David Banzer]

Proofide is just a mixture of oil and wax, maybe other stuff in it but I 
doubt it. It will melt in warmer temps.
Personally, I find it easier for leather to soak up treatments when both 
leather and the treatment mixture are warmed up.
David
Chicago, IL

On Monday, August 17, 2015 at 11:20:52 AM UTC-5, Fred Craven wrote:
>
> My new Brooks saddle arrived last week. Yesterday, I finally had the 
> chance to unboxed it. It's beautiful...and the Proofide is liquid. Some of 
> it spilled in the box. I'm guessing that it reached some extreme 
> temperature on it's a journey to Texas on the UPS truck that it doesn't 
> want to go back to a solid form on its own. 
>
> Has anyone else dealt with this? 
> Anyone know how to reconstitute the Proofide? 
>
> Fred 
>
> And the rest of the bike arrives Wednesday. 

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[RBW] Re: Liquid Proofide?

[Deacon Patrick]

Do you have an ice box? Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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>
> Anyone know how to reconstitute the Proofide? 
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[RBW] Re: Liquid Proofide?

[Deacon Patrick]

Or you could send it to Mark R. and ask if it could accompany him on one of 
his -30˚F bikepacking trips, then FedEx it to you, though you may be 
without it till January or so.

Or purchase multiple pints of ice cream and surround the Prooftide with 
these. If you wanted to then eat the ice cream rather than drink it, you 
could put it in the freezer for a while.

Double grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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>
> Anyone know how to reconstitute the Proofide? 
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[RBW] Re: Homer in green?!

[David Yetter]

Hi, All,

Dave here. My family (along with my green Homer) recently moved to PDX. The 
frame is indeed stock Hunq green, and there's something about that lovely 
green on the Homer that really sings.  The frame's currently one of the 
featured pics on the Riv homepage (much to my delight). Hope to see you all 
out the road sometime.  My best,
Dave



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> Hmm, could that be "Joel Green"? I'll know soon, when my Joel Green Riv 
> arrives from Massachusetts. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: 52CM Blue and Cream Hillborne - Rivendell Albatross Build

[Johnny Alien]

I have some new photos and will post them later when I am on my home 
computer. I believe that I sent them to everyone that was interested but if 
you didn't get them or if you are interested in seeing them let me know.  
Thanks! 

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[RBW] Re: Liquid Proofide?

[Ron Mc]

I keep the proofide in my garage,  in the hill country just north of San 
Antonio.  In the summer, it's about the consistency of vasoline, and in the 
winter it's like cool butter.  I can definitely see it going to liquid 
after a few summer days in the back of a UPS truck.  

I also have around Obenauff's, which I prefer using most of the time. 
 Neatsfoot oil and beeswax are main components in both O's and Proofide. 
 Obenauff's has more beeswax and actually smells like honey.  Proofide has 
more neatsfood oil, and smells like neatsfood oil.  

On Monday, August 17, 2015 at 11:20:52 AM UTC-5, Fred Craven wrote:
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> My new Brooks saddle arrived last week. Yesterday, I finally had the 
> chance to unboxed it. It's beautiful...and the Proofide is liquid. Some of 
> it spilled in the box. I'm guessing that it reached some extreme 
> temperature on it's a journey to Texas on the UPS truck that it doesn't 
> want to go back to a solid form on its own. 
>
> Has anyone else dealt with this? 
> Anyone know how to reconstitute the Proofide? 
>
> Fred 
>
> And the rest of the bike arrives Wednesday. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

[Montclair BobbyB]

Patrick: Flickstand does 2 things: keeps the wheel from rotating or steering 
(flopping). If you can get a rubber band to do both I would be "dually" 
impressed...

Bobby "maybe I don't know rubber bands" Birmingham

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Re: [RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

[Bill Lindsay]

A velcro legband also makes an excellent parking brake, wrapped tight 
around the brakelever
An Arno Strap or Irish strap makes an excellent "Flopper Stopper" wrapped 
tight around the downtube and front wheel  



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> Patrick: Flickstand does 2 things: keeps the wheel from rotating or 
> steering (flopping). If you can get a rubber band to do both I would be 
> "dually" impressed... 
>
> Bobby "maybe I don't know rubber bands" Birmingham

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[RBW] Re: Liquid Proofide?

[EricK]

I keep it in the fridge.  Mine arrived on a very warm day, melted as 
expected and seeping out the tin.  Fridge fixed it up nice and firm in no 
time.  No harm.

It will be 116 here in the desert today.


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[RBW] Re: Single Speed Sam on Blug

[Bill Lindsay]

Dangit!  Nothing ever works out! 

The good news:  My box just arrived.  Intact and everything 
More good news:  My Ostrich DLX panniers are present and accounted for

The bad news:  They shipped me the wrong rack!  I ordered a Nitto 27F front 
rack with detachable lowriders.  They shipped the 27R rear rack and didn't 
even bother to ship the lowriders.  

Hopefully they'll take care of it in an equitable way.  I sent a message 
through their site, but dang it, that's frustrating for an international 
order.  

Bill majorly-bummed Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, August 17, 2015 at 7:45:25 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> "I know that may sound like a hyperbolic comparison, since I'm just a dude 
> waiting for some pine tar soap and a John's Irish strap to his my porch, 
> and those guys were like, in OUTER SPACE careening around in a broken 
> vessel, but, hey, that's how it feels TO ME! Know what I mean? "
>
> My shipment has landed in San Francisco, according to the tracking number! 
>  I'm reaching my grabby hands to the west.
>
> On Thursday, August 13, 2015 at 3:42:12 PM UTC-7, Alan Pickett wrote:
>>
>> Bill, i hope and believe that your goodies will arrive unscathed and in 
>> this lifetime. It actually sounds like sort of fun order to track as it 
>> makes it's way around the globe. From here in MD, I always obsessively 
>> check my Riv orders as they go from San Ramon, Oakland, then San Pablo, 
>> whereupon they disappear for a few days before popping back up in Laurel, 
>> Maryland. It reminds me of Apollo 13 when they are on the dark side of the 
>> moon and out of radio contact, and everybody's just holding their breath.
>>
>> I know that may sound like a hyperbolic comparison, since I'm just a dude 
>> waiting for some pine tar soap and a John's Irish strap to his my porch, 
>> and those guys were like, in OUTER SPACE careening around in a broken 
>> vessel, but, hey, that's how it feels TO ME! Know what I mean? 
>>
>>
>> Alan "who has been known to press "refresh" on the UPS tracker website an 
>> unhealthy number of times"  in Silver Spring
>>
>> On Thursday, August 13, 2015 at 3:54:55 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> I called and asked about this rack as well when I saw it in the 
>>> brochure.  I had Dave on the phone, and he said "maybe it's still around, 
>>> I'll have a look".  Now I have something to razz him about, since it looks 
>>> like he "had a look" and kept it for himself!  
>>>
>>> Speaking of the 27F, I did go ahead and order a real 27F, with 
>>> detachable lowriders and all, from Alex's Cycle in Japan.  For some reason 
>>> I was/am nervous/anxious about actually getting stuff from a vendor in 
>>> Japan.  I don't know why I'm nervous, but I am.  I placed the order on the 
>>> 8th, and now I have a tracking number and I can my order has made it to 
>>> Osaka.  I ordered a 27F rack plus a pair of Ostrich DLX panniers.  
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 13, 2015 at 12:26:34 PM UTC-7, Alan Pickett wrote:

 I called and spoke to Jared about this rack, after seeing it on the 
 blug back on August 20th (on a cheviot) and he confirmed that it was a 
 sample 27f without the low rider attachments. I think it can also be seen 
 in the Cheviot brochure, in the page showing a touring set up. 

 I would buy this rack as a sturdier side-pull front than the mark's, 
 which I have and appreciate!
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] FS: Orange 56 Sam Hillbone, 1TT and Canti-levered, f/f/hs and brake hangers, $800

[allenmichael]

I just bought this a few months ago from another list member, but have 
decided not to build it up. Being honest with myself about my actual 
riding, I think I can get by fine with just my S1.

The condition is excellent. There is at least one tiny paint chip 

I'm not sure in what country it was put together, but the serial number is 
M9050046.

If I put it on Craigslist in Portland, I will post a link. I don't have 
photos yet, but if you are really interested and there is a particular part 
of the bike you would like to see, I can text or email you some photos. 
Please though be actually interested in buying the bike.

if you also need parts and pieces to put the complete bike together, I have 
those too, but the bike is not presently assembled.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

[M D Smith]

On Monday, August 17, 2015 at 1:06:02 PM UTC-4, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
>
> Patrick: Flickstand does 2 things: keeps the wheel from rotating or 
> steering (flopping). If you can get a rubber band to do both I would be 
> "dually" impressed... 
>
> Bobby "maybe I don't know rubber bands" Birmingham


To which I can't help but reply: 

 [image: Displaying IMG_6932.JPG]

Funny, I was going to mention this method before I saw your challenge to be 
impressed. 

This method works well.  It's not as great with a really loaded bike, but 
something like an old toe clip works better than a Kickstand:

[image: Displaying IMG_6933.JPG]


Just not as quick or light as the rubber band method (which I first saw at 
a bike shop, to keep their floor stock under control, flop-wise...)  I keep 
an extra strap on my bike (usually looped around the handlebar, near the 
stem) just for this purpose.  An irish strap would work, as well.  The 
strap doubles as a pants-cuff-retainer.  Never do you need both at the same 
time...  I guess you could also use a high quality reflective velcro 
retainer, two birds with one stone.

I've always thought it was a bit ridiculous when Rivendell decided it was 
necessary to put kickstand plates on their bikes in the first place.  I see 
them as a solution (and a heavier, clunkier-looking, less than elegant 
solution at that) to a problem that doesn't exist.  In the ten years I've 
owned my All 'rounder (including a multi-month tour) I never missed not 
having one.  I can remember being in a position where I couldn't find 
something to lean my bike against and having to rest it down only a very 
few times.  And many of those were on beach sand, where a kickstand 
wouldn't work anyway.  That's just my personal experience, though.  But 
I've never, ever, felt I needed one.

Cheers- Mike in Bklyn, NY

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Re: [RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

[M D Smith]

Sorry!!!

"but something like an old toe clip works better than a Kickstand:"

Should read "Flickstand". Stupid auto correct

-Mike

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[RBW] Re: Can a Blue Sam stand up to these kinds of dirt trails?

[Neil]

I love underbiking with my Sam. I have some short, fun local trails that I 
first explored on my 5"-travel MTB...then the hardtail with a squish 
fork...and now my Sam. Sandy buff punctuated with shallow roots and sharp 
volcanics. Pure fun.

It's all about technique, weight/unweight, and having that last 10% 
available to lift the front tire as needed. On-the-fly shifting with 
Silvers on a Noodle is a pleasant challenge that makes me think ahead as to 
the gearing I want. Love the control I get descending with my hands in the 
hooks.

On Saturday, August 15, 2015 at 2:37:55 PM UTC-7, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> The kind with lots of sudden, deep, and uneven ruts, loose, big gravel 
> chunks, roots, and rocks that stick up 6 inches from the dirt that 
> your front tire will slam into when you can't see them coming because the 
> shade is so dark?
>
> Don't wanna trash my Synergies or bend my fork blades doing this. My 
> son-in-law (has mountain bike with shocks) is getting interested in the 
> dirt trails around here and asked if I would go along.
>
> Mind you, neither of us has really any experience with these trails like 
> this, though I fly along fast over hard packed fine gravel trails. Those 
> are fun.
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Mavic MA2 wheelset, chorus hubs, Sachs 13-26 FW

[Joel Stern]

Sold, thanks. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Searching for a cheapo saddle with B17 like fit

[Joe Broach]

>
> ​On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Joe Broach  wrote:
>
> Count me as one who finds the WTB SST pretty close to a B17. You can't
> really compare plastic and leather saddle widths directly because of the
> leather saddles' frames and rivets. The SST is about 145mm wide, about
> identical to a b17 between the rivets.
>
> I haven't taken mine on a long ride yet, but for a 6 mile commute, it's a
> great b17 stand in. They came on some complete surlys at some point, so
> shops might have take offs.
>
​Bumping this thread to update my B17 to SST experience. I just finished my
first long ride on the SST after 10 happy years on B17s. The SST gave me no
trouble over two days and 130 miles in regular shorts. For me, at least, it
works as a B17 alternative that I don't have to worry about getting wet​
and worry less about getting stolen. Mine has the synthetic cover, and it's
quite a bit less slick than a Brooks. The result is kind of a wash for
me--easier to stay put when you want but also harder to slide around when
you want that.

Best,
joe broach
pdx or


​​
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Joe Broach  wrote:

> Count me as one who finds the WTB SST pretty close to a B17. You can't
> really compare plastic and leather saddle widths directly because of the
> leather saddles' frames and rivets. The SST is about 145mm wide, about
> identical to a b17 between the rivets.
>
> I haven't taken mine on a long ride yet, but for a 6 mile commute, it's a
> great b17 stand in. They came on some complete surlys at some point, so
> shops might have take offs.
>
> Best,
> joe broach
> pdx or
>
> Caveat lector. Sent from a phone.
> On Jul 15, 2015 6:24 AM, "Kieran J"  wrote:
>
>> Were these not fairly narrow in the rear section though? I had one SST.X
>> and it was OK but not nearly the same shape or width as a B17. Maybe mine
>> was one of the later variants.
>>
>> Another worth considering is a Vetta SL from the 90's. Quality
>> lightweight saddle with a wide cantle area.
>>
>> They come fairly cheaply online:
>> Here's one in Canada
>> 
>>
>> KJ
>>
>>
>> On Monday, July 13, 2015 at 7:47:11 PM UTC-4, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>>>
>>> Keep an eye out for the old WTB SST saddles - the ones with the "melted"
>>> looking nose.  Those were pretty close, fairly unpadded (though they made a
>>> monster number of derivations of it over the years).
>>>
>>> Wish I'd known - I had a set of three or four old, nasty, peeling, SST's
>>> which I donated to the local recyclery a while back.
>>>
>>> - Jim
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

[ascpgh]

I like toe straps, I keep a couple on the bike all the time. Through the 
front wheel and around the down tube makes the bike both rigid and 
non-rolling. Perfect for an incidental lean with more than incidental 
stability.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Monday, August 17, 2015 at 10:52:31 AM UTC-4, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
>
> Aside from the convenience of a "kick" stand, I am beginning to like kick 
> stands less and less. I no longer trust them (especially on a loaded bike) 
> to do their job without causing undue stress on a frame.  For me, it's lean 
> it or lay it down.   
>
> I thought the "Flickstand" was a novel idea, and helped to keep a bike 
> from rolling AND made it easier to lean a bike.  I still hold out hope that 
> there's a slightly sturdier version somewhere out there, but I always 
> thought it was a brilliant concept.   
>
> And the basic premise for another alternative, the "Clickstand" tent-pole 
> design makes sense for heavier loads less the convenience factor of a 
> kickstand.   
>
> I'm convinced there's a better mousetrap out there folks... 

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[RBW] Re: FS: mustache cockpit-nitto bars/dirt drop, shimano bar ends/levers

[drew]

last call. 160$ shipped. goes up on ebay tomorrow. 

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[RBW] Re: Can a Blue Sam stand up to these kinds of dirt trails?

[Surlyprof]

I've been riding trails all summer with Smart Sams on the Hillborne. 
 Almost feels like I'm back in the '80's riding southern California trails 
on my old '86 ('87?) Ritchey Comp.  After a few shock fork MTBs, I'm back 
to riding rigid with the Sam.  I do find that the bottom bracket is a 
little low on the Sam which leads to an occassional pedal strike in the 
ruts.  I guess that just provides more reason to get out more to practice 
technique.  Frame, fork and rims seem no worse for the abuse (and Riv still 
has orange Hillborne forks in their Web Specials section if things really 
wrong).

John

On Saturday, August 15, 2015 at 2:37:55 PM UTC-7, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> The kind with lots of sudden, deep, and uneven ruts, loose, big gravel 
> chunks, roots, and rocks that stick up 6 inches from the dirt that 
> your front tire will slam into when you can't see them coming because the 
> shade is so dark?
>
> Don't wanna trash my Synergies or bend my fork blades doing this. My 
> son-in-law (has mountain bike with shocks) is getting interested in the 
> dirt trails around here and asked if I would go along.
>
> Mind you, neither of us has really any experience with these trails like 
> this, though I fly along fast over hard packed fine gravel trails. Those 
> are fun.
>

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[RBW] WTB large saddlesack

[dylan alverson]

Looking to buy large saddlesack. Open to any color or condition. 

Thanks 

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Re: [RBW] Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

[cyclotourist]

I love kickstands. My favorite bike accessory. Two legger, one legger,
rear triangle, whatever. Just great.

BTW, a short piece of fuel line wedged into the brake lever works
great to keep the brake on when parking.

On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 6:21 PM, ascpgh  wrote:
> I like toe straps, I keep a couple on the bike all the time. Through the
> front wheel and around the down tube makes the bike both rigid and
> non-rolling. Perfect for an incidental lean with more than incidental
> stability.
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
>
> On Monday, August 17, 2015 at 10:52:31 AM UTC-4, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
>>
>> Aside from the convenience of a "kick" stand, I am beginning to like kick
>> stands less and less. I no longer trust them (especially on a loaded bike)
>> to do their job without causing undue stress on a frame.  For me, it's lean
>> it or lay it down.
>>
>> I thought the "Flickstand" was a novel idea, and helped to keep a bike
>> from rolling AND made it easier to lean a bike.  I still hold out hope that
>> there's a slightly sturdier version somewhere out there, but I always
>> thought it was a brilliant concept.
>>
>> And the basic premise for another alternative, the "Clickstand" tent-pole
>> design makes sense for heavier loads less the convenience factor of a
>> kickstand.
>>
>> I'm convinced there's a better mousetrap out there folks...
>
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Re: [RBW] Wheelbuilding Questions - Even tension

[cyclotourist]

Great reply!

On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 7:27 AM, Allingham II, Thomas J
 wrote:
> I have a spoke tension meter from Park 
> (http://www.jensonusa.com/!5ZNVsr7o541FBdQt1daMLg!/Park-Tool-TM-1-Spoke-Tension-Meter?utm_source=FRGL&utm_medium=organic&gclid=CKymw4KpsMcCFQUMaQodbTQKYw
>  ), and the instructions say that you should measure the tension of all 
> spokes on one side, average them, and then further adjust any spoke that is 
> more than 20% higher or lower than the average -- that is, adjust the tension 
> of that spoke toward the average until you get within the 20% range.
>
> Working by sound?  I don't know, and you should probably disregard the rest 
> of this message, because it's just my guesses and inferences based on the 
> usual grossly incomplete on-line research.  But:
>
> Obviously, all other things being equal (that is, spoke length and weight, 
> which should remain constant or close to constant in a wheel -- I suppose 
> there's a little rim deflection when you change spoke tension, but I assume 
> it would be trivial), the pitch (what you describe as the tone) increases 
> with increased spoke tension.  But online calculators that give the required 
> tension for any given note/frequency suggest that the relationship between 
> pitch and tension is not linear.  That is, to increase the pitch by an octave 
> -- which requires doubling the frequency of the note -- while holding 
> spoke/string length and weight constant, you have to more than double the 
> tension.  So I think it would be difficult for me to "hear" whether a spoke 
> is within that 20% range, although I bet more experienced wheelbuilders can 
> do it with ease.
>
> FWIW, the Park tensiometer has been, for me, one of the most useful tools 
> I've purchased, even given its ~$70 price tag.  I'm not a very experienced 
> wheelbuilder (I've probably built fewer than 30 wheels), but the relatively 
> constant tension that I can assure using the tensiometer, together with the 
> round and true assurance that comes from a good truing stand, gives me a lot 
> of comfort that my wheels are sound.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Toby Whitfield
> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 9:31 AM
> To: RBW Owners Bunch
> Subject: [RBW] Wheelbuilding Questions - Even tension
>
> I just built a new set of wheels, which is the first time in a while for me. 
> I built a couple a number of years ago, but from old parts as an experiment, 
> and never really used the wheels, which is all to say I am pretty new at this.
>
> My question is about tension evenness.  I got the wheels up to a pretty high 
> tension, and they are round and true.
>
> However, there is some variation in tone when I pluck the spokes. How good is 
> good enough? If all spokes have pretty good tension, how much variability is 
> acceptable? I only have tone to guide me. Is a semi-tone or whole tone (for 
> the musically inclined) of variability ok?
>
> In some ways, I feel like having good tension and a true wheel should be good 
> enough, and I notice that sometimes when I push for more perfection in one 
> area, it can cascade to everything else getting  worse.
>
> For some more background on the build, I used Jobst Brandt's book and 
> Sheldon's web page to guide me. It is 650b, 36 spoke, Velocity A23 with a 
> Shimano XT FH-732 rear, and SP SV-8 in the front. I used Sapim DB spokes 
> (with 14-15-14 for everything except NDS rear which is 14-17-14).
>
> Thanks!
> Toby
> Toronto
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[RBW] Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

[Mike Shaljian]

Shoving in with a FS offer: I have a brand new Pletscher Twin-Legger (silver) 
kickstand that I bought from Rivendell months ago for my mountain bike. It 
turns out it's better to buy a top tube protector and lean those against 
things. $35 shipped anywhere in the conterminous US. Message me off the list if 
you're interested. -- Mike 

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[RBW] Re: Liquid Proofide?

[Evan E.]

I think fridge storage is a good idea. If it's true the Proofide contains 
tallow, then refrigeration will delay rancidity.


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[RBW] Good Error Resolution from Alex's Cycle in Japan

[Bill Lindsay]

Riv Content:  It's fine to complain about Rivendell here, but first give 
them the chance to make it right.  

So, I wanted a Nitto 27F front rack and Ostrich DLX panniers.  Bought 
domestically, from Soma for example, they would have cost me $310 + $166 + 
$166 + CA tax + shipping, around $700.  Instead I bought from Alex's Cycle 
in Japan, and got the panniers and rack for just under $350 shipped.  That 
was the good news.  

Unfortunately, I got the shipment today, and they accidentally sent me the 
rear version of the rack, and didn't even send the lowriders.  I 
immediately reached out to Alex's.  My email went out to them at about 4AM 
Japan time.  At about 8:30AM Japan time, they responded, asking for photos 
of what was sent, so they can confirm I was shipped the wrong items.  I 
sent iphone photos.  They turned that right back around, offering me my 
choice of two options.  Option A, they send me the right rack at their 
expense, and I return the wrong rack at their expense.  Option B was they'd 
send me my rack with the lowriders at their expense, and sell me the wrong 
rack with the lowriders, for $110.  

So, that's a good business making an honest mistake and making it right 
when given the opportunity to do so.  It's only a slight bummer that I need 
to wait another couple weeks for my rack to come in, but I'll live

Bill satisfied customer Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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[RBW] Re: Can a Blue Sam stand up to these kinds of dirt trails?

[dougP]

John:

What size Smart Sams are you using?  Been musing that 45s would provide a 
bit of extra clearance over the 40 mm Marathons I've been using.  I get the 
odd pedal strike with my Atlantis.

dougP

On Monday, August 17, 2015 at 7:00:47 PM UTC-7, Surlyprof wrote:
>
> I've been riding trails all summer with Smart Sams on the Hillborne. 
>  Almost feels like I'm back in the '80's riding southern California trails 
> on my old '86 ('87?) Ritchey Comp.  After a few shock fork MTBs, I'm back 
> to riding rigid with the Sam.  I do find that the bottom bracket is a 
> little low on the Sam which leads to an occassional pedal strike in the 
> ruts.  I guess that just provides more reason to get out more to practice 
> technique.  Frame, fork and rims seem no worse for the abuse (and Riv still 
> has orange Hillborne forks in their Web Specials section if things really 
> wrong).
>
> John
>
> On Saturday, August 15, 2015 at 2:37:55 PM UTC-7, Lungimsam wrote:
>>
>> The kind with lots of sudden, deep, and uneven ruts, loose, big gravel 
>> chunks, roots, and rocks that stick up 6 inches from the dirt that 
>> your front tire will slam into when you can't see them coming because the 
>> shade is so dark?
>>
>> Don't wanna trash my Synergies or bend my fork blades doing this. My 
>> son-in-law (has mountain bike with shocks) is getting interested in the 
>> dirt trails around here and asked if I would go along.
>>
>> Mind you, neither of us has really any experience with these trails like 
>> this, though I fly along fast over hard packed fine gravel trails. Those 
>> are fun.
>>
>

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[RBW] WTB large saddlesack

[bo richardson]

there is one on ebay at30$ with a bit over a day left

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Re: [RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

[Tom Virgil]

Minh,

Exactly what I did on Sam and the Boulder.  Gone.  Not missing them.

~Tom

On Sunday, August 16, 2015 at 1:18:14 PM UTC-7, Minh wrote:
>
> Hmm I think it's time to lighten my Sam and take off the kickstand.  

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[RBW] Bicycles in federal wilderness lobbying

[dstein]

Saw this today and curious of the group's thoughts on 
this: http://www.sustainabletrailscoalition.org/

On the one hand, all they are aiming to do is lift a blanket ban on bikes 
in federal wilderness areas and trails so that land manager can make a 
decision on whether bikes would be allowed on a per park/wilderness area 
basis. It would not, for instance, automatically allow bikes on the AT, and 
that seems like a reasonably far fetched thing anyway. But would allow to 
keep things like the Continental Divide open, and also open up other 
wilderness areas that are much less traveled by foot than the AT.

But on the other hand, things like the discouraging news of the Oregon 
Outback this year make me wonder if opening the doors too wide is a bad 
thing--not that that was a federal wilderness issue, but shows what can 
happen when too many eager cyclists take to some unsupervised bike routes. 

As for trail impact, there seems to be an argument either way as to whether 
bikes have more (or as much as) an impact as hikers. With riding in muddy 
trails being the biggest concern.

Especially interested here since the RBW crowd seems to generally be super 
responsible and smart about hitting trails and stealth camping where bikes 
aren't typically allowed.

For or against?

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Re: [RBW] Bicycles in federal wilderness lobbying

[cyclotourist]

I think the millions of acres of CA forests going up in smoke (heading
to Utah!) in recent years might be a touch more destructive than
letting bikes in Wilderness areas.  :-)
Open it up, all of it.

On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 9:44 PM, dstein  wrote:
> Saw this today and curious of the group's thoughts on this:
> http://www.sustainabletrailscoalition.org/
>
> On the one hand, all they are aiming to do is lift a blanket ban on bikes in
> federal wilderness areas and trails so that land manager can make a decision
> on whether bikes would be allowed on a per park/wilderness area basis. It
> would not, for instance, automatically allow bikes on the AT, and that seems
> like a reasonably far fetched thing anyway. But would allow to keep things
> like the Continental Divide open, and also open up other wilderness areas
> that are much less traveled by foot than the AT.
>
> But on the other hand, things like the discouraging news of the Oregon
> Outback this year make me wonder if opening the doors too wide is a bad
> thing--not that that was a federal wilderness issue, but shows what can
> happen when too many eager cyclists take to some unsupervised bike routes.
>
> As for trail impact, there seems to be an argument either way as to whether
> bikes have more (or as much as) an impact as hikers. With riding in muddy
> trails being the biggest concern.
>
> Especially interested here since the RBW crowd seems to generally be super
> responsible and smart about hitting trails and stealth camping where bikes
> aren't typically allowed.
>
> For or against?
>
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[RBW] Re: Good Error Resolution from Alex's Cycle in Japan

[Peter Adler]

Ah, yes; but which option did you take? The 27R (AKA 700c rear Campee 
w/detachable lowrider racks) for $110 is a crazy-cheap deal.

Peter Adler
who has fantasized about 27F+27R for years, but has yet to win Publisher's 
Clearinghouse
Berkeley, CA/USA

On Monday, August 17, 2015 at 8:45:48 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> They turned that right back around, offering me my choice of two options.  
> Option A, they send me the right rack at their expense, and I return the 
> wrong rack at their expense.  Option B was they'd send me my rack with the 
> lowriders at their expense, and sell me the wrong rack with the lowriders, 
> for $110.  
>
> So, that's a good business making an honest mistake and making it right 
> when given the opportunity to do so.  It's only a slight bummer that I need 
> to wait another couple weeks for my rack to come in, but I'll live
>

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